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(Icon) What Is Investing ?

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On 23 December 2015, I wrote that investing involves holding on to stocks for long term to enjoy compounded return, other stock market activities are at best "trading".

 

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However, recently I have been reading extensively about Investment Gurus' works. One thing that shock me is that very few of them actually hold stocks forever. Contrarian investor John Neff sold his stock within months if they registered good return. Even Joel Greenblatt (KC Chong's favourite) also indulged in short term activities.

 

As long as can make money with proper consideration of risk, it is valid. No need to hold long, long term only to be considered legitimate.

 

 

I hereby declare :

 

"Investing should not be defined only as picking good stocks and holding forever to enjoy compounded return. Buying an overlooked stock to wait for market to rectify mispricing and hence provides opportunity to exit, is also considered investing. Even if it happens within few months. 

 

Short term activities should not be automatically frowned upon. Anything bought based on careful evaluation of value and proper reasoning, and in the event that things turn sour, can be held until recovery, is considered investing.

 

Holding period is totally irrelevant."

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3iii Mr SSLee,

You are very interesting. You write well and certainly can go into great details into a stock.

If only your investing philosophy and strategy are safe and sound, given your diligence and effort, you can do well.

At present, I don't see much hope in your investing to date. Why spend so much time trying to repair a sinking ship, you are better off abandoning the ship and go into one that can take you to the desired destination? Your shareholder activism though admirable sadly brings about little results. You are better served by better companies with better management.

Would not it be better to attend an AGM where you praised the management for another great year of performance, take a few pictures with them and promise to see them again the next AGM? :-)
22/01/2019 20:26
3iii Where are the customers' yacht? Many do not even have a sampan after a lifelong period of investing in the stock market.
22/01/2019 20:28
stockraider Probability,

Your suggestion have been all taken care mah....except left with 1 no balls fellow by name of 3iii, who talkcock everyday but do not take up challenge mah.....!!

Posted by probability > Jan 22, 2019 08:45 PM | Report Abuse

actually, we need a competition between all these sifus:

Icon, Raider, 3ii, Mr. Long, cute Jon, Sslee

I see Raider, Icon, Jon participated in i3 stock competition for 2019, i would like to see the rest to participate and create their own personal portfolio to prove their investment strategy, especially those could not give a clear thesis why their pick will perform well.

It is all very good discussion actually...never in i3 history we brainstorm on 'investment' like this before.

But as always, despite 6 pages of discussion i could not take away much.

Icon probably need to create another blog on the same subject to refine discussion further.
22/01/2019 21:21
Sslee Dear Philip,
I quote, “You seem to be making the mistake that I am out to hunt down your beloved INSAS stock.” Make no mistake, I appreciate your different view and in fact I welcome it as I actually waiting to collect INSAS share at cheaper cost to me. But unfortunately when I present my case I need to speak the truth base on fact and figure contain in the annual report. Some of the very private information that I gather from my private meeting with newly appointed CEO, I kept it as P&C. I quote, “Insas is a founding shareholder of Inari 11 years ago and its original 51% equity interest in Inari has been diluted over the years primarily due to its IPO in 2011” how else to explain the INSAS Board capability in building up INARI to what it is today if not for the management prudent and foresight to spend few millions as seed money/burn rate (charge to P/L) to organic growth their business in different sector and working with renowned university and researcher to launch their patented products.

Also make no mistake, I am not out to hunt down your beloved “QL” I only present what is contain in the annual report as I feel even though QL is a great company but the current market price is too rich a valuation and perhaps you can relook into its valuation during the next quarter result and make you own decision whether you should cash out and invest in Nasdaq: STNE.

By the way I like to read yours and Jon Choivo articles as both of you are very well read and well versed in different methodology of investment and stock valuation, it’s a refreshing read. I thank you for contributing your articles to i3.

Dear 3iii,
I quote, “Your shareholder activism though admirable sadly brings about little results. You are better served by better companies with better management.”
My upbringing taught me to seek the truth and nothing but the truth and give voice to voiceless and fight for justices. My shareholder activism had result in INSAS paying an interim dividend of 2 cents and hopefully a formal dividend policy in this year. My questioning in Xingquan and CSL had result in SC calling the external auditor for questioning and the rest is history. My questioning in Hengyuan had help me to know the detail of Hengyuan business and the next AGM the board will face another round of hard questioning from me on Brent Crude oil pricing and CAPEX..

As of your question, “Would not it be better to attend an AGM where you praised the management for another great year of performance, take a few pictures with them and promise to see them again the next AGM?” My answer is not necessary since the company is already well run and manage, your words of praising would not add further value whereas your hard hitting and fact finding questions will make the board wake up, listening to you and you can see a sea change during the next AGM.

Thank you
22/01/2019 21:35
3iii >>>>
SSLee

Dear 3iii,
I quote, “Your shareholder activism though admirable sadly brings about little results. You are better served by better companies with better management.”
My upbringing taught me to seek the truth and nothing but the truth and give voice to voiceless and fight for justices. My shareholder activism had result in INSAS paying an interim dividend of 2 cents and hopefully a formal dividend policy in this year. My questioning in Xingquan and CSL had result in SC calling the external auditor for questioning and the rest is history. My questioning in Hengyuan had help me to know the detail of Hengyuan business and the next AGM the board will face another round of hard questioning from me on Brent Crude oil pricing and CAPEX..

As of your question, “Would not it be better to attend an AGM where you praised the management for another great year of performance, take a few pictures with them and promise to see them again the next AGM?” My answer is not necessary since the company is already well run and manage, your words of praising would not add further value whereas your hard hitting and fact finding questions will make the board wake up, listening to you and you can see a sea change during the next AGM.

Thank you
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This is investing. I take my investing very seriously.

I avoid lousy companies. In the long run, I am better off with companies with great businesses.

Given a company with poor economics and great management, the reputation of the company remains intact. Some businesses are just gruesome and generally will remain so even if the management are superb.

The opportunity cost of parking your money in a poor performer or loser is just too harmful for the finances of the careful investor.

If you have to be always actively prodding the management, that tells a lot too of the quality of the management and its alignment of their interest with the shareholders. For example, if the management embarks on cost cutting or cost efficiency, you should be happy and yet sad too. Why were they not cost efficient at all time?
22/01/2019 22:04
3iii >>>>Posted by probability > Jan 22, 2019 09:52 PM | Report Abuse

walao..sslee nicely whacked 3ii... >>>


A no body is cheering from the sideline. :-)
22/01/2019 22:05
qqq3 sslee

told u not to attend so many lousy company AGM....at the end of the day who con who also don't know...One a novice, the other a seasoned con....easy to guess.
22/01/2019 22:07
3iii SSLee

I have posted this one page quick analysis to screen for great companies.

Hope you can find this useful in your selection of great companies to invest into.
22/01/2019 22:08
3iii https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/905009575.jsp


ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK
An Aid to your Stock Selection

COMPANY NAME:
DATE OF ANALYSIS:

For each question below, answer YES or NO

NO QUESTIONS
1 Have Sales increased CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years?
2 Have Sales DOUBLED in 5 - 7 years?
3 Have Earnings per Share increased CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years?
4 Have Earnings per Shares DOUBLED in 5 years?
5 Any Dividend paid during the past 5 years?
6 Has Dividend per Share increased CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years?
7 Is current Operating Margin (OM) = or > 15%?
8 Over the past 3 years, is OM stable/increasing?
9 Is current Return on Equity (ROE) = or > 15%?
10 Over the past 3 years, is ROE stable/increasing?
11 Is current Long Term Debt less than 1/3 of Net Worth?
12 Are Current Assets TWICE the Current Liabilities?
13 Does Cash plus Receivables EQUAL OR EXCEED Current Liabilities?
14 Is Projected Growth in EPS and Dividends at 15%?
15 Is Current P/E in the range of past 5 years Average P/Es?
16 SUMMARY: Is the Stock Worthy of further Analysis?
22/01/2019 22:09
stockraider U understand investment or not ??

Who say insas is lousy when it sit on more than Rm 300m nett cash with NTA exceeding Rm 2.54 per share and with div yield of 3% pa loh...!!

The pe of insas is about 6x mah n for the past 10 yrs insas has been making monies loh...!!

Nestle maybe good company but it has a very high handicapped with its overvalue share price with PE 50x loh...!!

Imagine u r a good tennis player...but u handicapped by playing tennis on a wheel chair....the chances of u winning may not be good, even when u playing agst average players mah...!!

Insas hathway is Ben Graham share picked jewel with very big margin of safety Mah...!!

This is investing. I take my investing very seriously.

I avoid lousy companies. In the long run, I am better off with companies with great businesses.

Given a company with poor economics and great management, the reputation of the company remains intact. Some businesses are just gruesome and generally will remain so even if the management are superb.

The opportunity cost of parking your money in a poor performer or loser is just too harmful for the finances of the careful investor.

If you have to be always actively prodding the management, that tells a lot too of the quality of the management and its alignment of their interest with the shareholders. For example, if the management embarks on cost cutting or cost efficiency, you should be happy and yet sad too. Why were they not cost efficient at all time?
22/01/2019 22:17
3iii >>>>Dear 3iii,
I quote, “Your shareholder activism though admirable sadly brings about little results. You are better served by better companies with better management.” <<<

>>>>
My upbringing taught me to seek the truth and nothing but the truth and give voice to voiceless and fight for justices.
>>>>


You owe a duty to your family to be careful with your finances. Invest wisely and carefully. Invest in yourself. Read more.


>>> My shareholder activism had result in INSAS paying an interim dividend of 2 cents and hopefully a formal dividend policy in this year.>>>

>>>>My questioning in Xingquan and CSL had result in SC calling the external auditor for questioning and the rest is history.>>>>

>>>> My questioning in Hengyuan had help me to know the detail of Hengyuan business and the next AGM the board will face another round of hard questioning from me on Brent Crude oil pricing and CAPEX.. >>>>


One of the characteristic of a successful investor is to know the stocks to avoid.

You only have to do a very few things right in your life so long as you don't do too many things wrong. An example: Mr. 1015.


Before adding a new investment, consider adding to the old ones that already are in your portfolio. If a business is attractive enough for you to buy once, it may well pay to repeat the process.
22/01/2019 22:25
stockraider One of Successful investment characteristic of Ben Graham is to buy undervalue with big margin of safety in order to take advantage of soochai Mr market Mah....!!

And to continue repeat this successful formula mah....!!

And insas is the best example of a good value investment buy loh...!!

And do not make the mistake to buy overvalue stock with PE 50x and let mr market taking advantage of u loh...!!

Posted by 3iii > Jan 22, 2019 10:25 PM | Report Abuse

>>>>Dear 3iii,

I quote, “Your shareholder activism though admirable sadly brings about little results. You are better served by better companies with better management.” <<<

>>>>
My upbringing taught me to seek the truth and nothing but the truth and give voice to voiceless and fight for justices.
>>>>


You owe a duty to your family to be careful with your finances. Invest wisely and carefully. Invest in yourself. Read more.


>>> My shareholder activism had result in INSAS paying an interim dividend of 2 cents and hopefully a formal dividend policy in this year.>>>

>>>>My questioning in Xingquan and CSL had result in SC calling the external auditor for questioning and the rest is history.>>>>

>>>> My questioning in Hengyuan had help me to know the detail of Hengyuan business and the next AGM the board will face another round of hard questioning from me on Brent Crude oil pricing and CAPEX.. >>>>


One of the characteristic of a successful investor is to know the stocks to avoid.

You only have to do a very few things right in your life so long as you don't do too many things wrong. An example: Mr. 1015.

Before adding a new investment, consider adding to the old ones that already are in your portfolio. If a business is attractive enough for you to buy once, it may well pay to repeat the process.
22/01/2019 22:38
3iii >>>Posted by stockraider > Jan 22, 2019 10:38 PM | Report Abuse

One of Successful investment characteristic of Ben Graham is to buy undervalue with big margin of safety in order to take advantage of soochai Mr market Mah....!! <<<


Your "investing" into Hengyuan and many other stocks did not suggest you know the teachings of Ben Graham well.

Don't kid yourself with this Ben Graham's teachings.
22/01/2019 22:43
stockraider Based on Hengyuan situation what are the lessons we can learn from there leh ??

People like 3iii & Mr Long are unsuitable to advise u on this loh, bcos this people like driving cars, can only drive the car forward, but they don know when to tell u to brake and do reverse gear ala "LARI KUAT KUAT WHEN THINGS DON TURN UP RIGHT" MAH...!!

Lessons

Pls do not trust growth in EPS and low PE so much loh...!! Earnings can unexpected collapse very fast anytime loh...!!

The margin of safety based on Earnings and growth is very volatile like the case of Hengyuan PE 5x v Nestle 50x and Ql 50x, in addition Hengyuan growth 200% v Nestle & Ql growth less than 20%....u thought Hengyuan got very big fat margin of safety based on earnings and growth...but this type of margin of safety based on earnings can collapse and disappear very fast loh...!!

In fact this condition of collapse again confirmed by the recent collapse of padini and topglove, share price fall drastically recently bcos of earnings disappointment again mah...!!

So do not listen to conman 3iii asking u all to buy NESTLE Pe 50x or high growth stock at lofty valuation....anytime the earnings can collapse very fast without warnings like what happen to hengyuan, topglove and padini loh...!!

Thats the reason why Ben Graham in the intelligent investor book, do not give too much emphasis on investment based on margin of safety using earnings based on profitability and growth route, but he prefer to use margin of safety based on huge discount on tangible assets and huge cash liquidity of the company with the huge share price discount bcos this tenet is less volatile & tangible and esy to employ loh...!!

It is not that u cannot invest based on growth and earnings route, in fact raider would encourage u do it bcos it is highly profitable loh...anyhow if u invested in hengyuan earlier, u will had made a huge profit unseen for many years, but u must act smart & be prepare to lari kuat kuat loh...!!

People like 3iii & Mr Long are unsuitable to advise u on this loh, bcos this people like driving cars, can only drive the car forward, but they don know when to tell u to brake and do reverse gear ala "LARI KUAT KUAT WHEN THINGS DON TURN UP RIGHT" MAH...!!

Raider is right to advice u to lari kuat kuat on hengyuan...in fact everyone should learn how to lari kuat kuat ....when condition & environment does not look right mah...!!
22/01/2019 22:49
3iii Somehow, I sense probability does not like me. :-)

Perhaps it has something to do with my investing. Haha.


The stock does not even know that I own it. :-)
22/01/2019 23:01
qqq3 probability....must be a remisier....hates long term.....
22/01/2019 23:12
3iii >>>Probability posted (subsequently deleted) thus, and I asked...

Blog: Is QL Resources worth investing now? kcchongnz
Jan 19, 2019 05:17 PM | Report Abuse

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probability what 3ii makes in 10 years ...raider makes in 1 year...

of course sour grape...become toxic grape lor...
19/01/2019 16:39

probability never believe anyone who talks like a professor...without any hard facts lor....

if you dig deep inside...their actions are all fundamentally controlled by emotions like jealousy and greed lor...no matter how rational they try to sell their arguments....

take Jon Choivo, 3iii, Long number, whoever u want...

all are controlled by emotions...
19/01/2019 16:43>>>>>



Probability speaks.


Facts?

Emotion? >>>



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Posted by 3iii > Jan 21, 2019 10:04 AM | Report Abuse X

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Posted by Flintstones > Jan 21, 2019 08:45 AM | Report Abuse

3iii is one of the respectable i3 members on the platform. I remember those days where almost everybody went crazy over Hengyuan asset value. 3iii and Ricky were the two whom kept their sanity. To this day, I still look upon 3iii especially when he successfully countered stockraider , probability & co bullishness. To keep a cool mind under a rising market is not easy. It is even more impressive when you could counter them with facts.


Flintstones
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Posted by Flintstones > Jan 21, 2019 08:48 AM | Report Abuse

To study a typical boom-bust cycle on i3, please go to Hengyuan forum and read all posts from 2017-2018. The amount of brain power put into the analysis of Hengyuan is unmatched. We had many smart guys trying to predict Hengyuan quarterly profits which were futile in the end. We also had some value guys giving Hengyuan a RM 50 target price which is theoretically sensible due to the replacement cost. But, cyclical is a cyclical. It is a huge lesson and many long time i3 members chose to brush it off like nothing happened as if the pain and shame was too hard to bear.
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Thanks.

This is an open forum.

The thing about investing is in every transaction, there is a buyer and a seller, each looking at the share differently and from their own perspective.

Well, the saying goes ... you only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.

Until then, it was one hell of a party. You can still feel the pulsations in some of the posts, for example, that of probability. By his own admission, he is no body. ?


>>>>>
22/01/2019 23:12
3iii >>>
qqq3 probability....must be a remisier....hates long term.....
22/01/2019 23:12<<<<


I did ask.

Never ask a barber if you need a hair-cut.
22/01/2019 23:13
qqq3 probability...artificial ? don't like artificial? King of artificial is Raider and SS lee...thanks you with every post...artificial enough or not?
22/01/2019 23:13
3iii >>> Posted by probability > Jan 22, 2019 11:14 PM | Report Abuse

for a long term man...no need to be so concern on short term movements ma...

anyway..let him share what he wants...just that he does not need to condemn others i think..

thats the missing thing <<<


Please reign in your emotions.

You were the one who posted some comments thus which I replied.

>>>Probability posted (subsequently deleted) thus, and I asked...

Blog: Is QL Resources worth investing now? kcchongnz
Jan 19, 2019 05:17 PM | Report Abuse >>>


Interestingly you probably felt unwarranted and deleted them.
22/01/2019 23:20
3iii Have a positive attitude. Stay with the issues, ignore the person.
22/01/2019 23:21
qqq3 probability...

over a life time...in the long run....only those who learn to say NO can make money from the stock market........REMEMBER THAT.
22/01/2019 23:23
Sslee Dear 3iii,
I quote, “You owe a duty to your family to be careful with your finances. Invest wisely and carefully. Invest in yourself. Read more”

Investment philosophy: Looking for stocks that give reasonable dividend yield and capital appreciation. (A bird in the Hand is worth two in the Bush). Understand that in order to beg a 10 bagger needs patience to wait for next market crash. (If it occurs I am prepare, if it doesn’t happen I am fine with my current investment) Note: 1/3 in stock market investment, 1/3 with my wife FD and another 1/3 in my FD account. Debt free, still have my full time pay job, my two sons already working and my daughter 1st year in Sunway University (Mass communication and art of advertisement). Isn’t that fulfilling my duty to my family and careful with my finance?

Life philosophy: Do not stay still in your circle of competent/comfort zone needs to constantly challenge your limit. Past success do not guarantee future success and past failure do not mean future failure as long as you are prepared to learn from all and re-examines your mistakes/method. So now I am learning from you can you teach me how to value INSAS just base on INARI alone (19.1% of associate company of INSAS) contributed RM 40.15 million dividends to INSAS FYR2018. How much it’s worth to INSAS?

Note: You can look into INARI Top 30 shareholders and tell me all these big Funds, will they invest in INARI if they do not believe in INARI sustainable growth story. Isn’t those miss the boat during INARI growing year should grab the opportunity now by investing in INSAS at the lower costs to them?

Thank you
22/01/2019 23:54
3iii In investing, you can usually analyse the stocks quickly to see if you like them or not. Just like Buffett, you generally can make a decision in less than 5 minutes.

Those stocks you wish to be involved with, you will dwell deeper.
22/01/2019 23:58
3iii ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK
An Aid to your Stock Selection

COMPANY NAME: INSAS
DATE OF ANALYSIS: 23.1.2019

For each question below, answer YES or NO

NO QUESTIONS
1 Have Sales increased CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years? NO
2 Have Sales DOUBLED in 5 - 7 years? NO
3 Have Earnings per Share increased CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years? NO
4 Have Earnings per Shares DOUBLED in 5 years? NO
5 Any Dividend paid during the past 5 years? YES
6 Has Dividend per Share increased CONTINUOUSLY for 5 years? NO
7 Is current Operating Margin (OM) = or > 15%? YES
8 Over the past 3 years, is OM stable/increasing? YES
9 Is current Return on Equity (ROE) = or > 15%? NO
10 Over the past 3 years, is ROE stable/increasing? NO
11 Is current Long Term Debt less than 1/3 of Net Worth? YES
12 Are Current Assets TWICE the Current Liabilities? YES
13 Does Cash plus Receivables EQUAL OR EXCEED Current Liabilities? YES
14 Is Projected Growth in EPS and Dividends at 15%? NO
15 Is Current P/E in the range of past 5 years Average P/Es? NO
16 SUMMARY: Is the Stock Worthy of further Analysis? NO


YES 6
NO 10
23/01/2019 00:10
stockraider Put it this way loh...3iii continue to bad mouth ben graham margin of safety, despite warren buffet highly respect ben graham mah...!!

U look at Insas criteria...it exactly fall into Ben graham investment criteria mah...!!

Sslee selection of insas is a very fine safe selection mah....although not type of growth stock....it is huge undervalue stock mah...!!

For growth stock ur expectation is to continue growth to sustain the share price whereas for undervalue stock, what u need is just a rerating of confidence that will push the stock price up to reach a reasonable value from highly undervalue mah...!!

Insas is a profitable co, huge cash holding, pays reasonable div, huge discount to nta, all these is highly positive factors for rerating criteria loh...!!

3iii has been acting wrongly to deceive a safety investor like ssleee loh...scaring him like he will lose his family & wealth mah...!!

In fact, if sslee will to change his system, like buying into QL or Nestle, raider think the risk is even higher bcos he is chasing overvaluation loh..!!

Remember sslee investment value investment approach, that people like 3iii and Mr Long thought it is short term trading but it is a genuine investment using share valuation to take advantage of Mr Market folly mah..!!
In fact Warren Buffet has been using this method for a long time successfully loh....!!

Buffet change to long term hold of late, bcos his fund has grown too big mah..!
I read one of buffet comment, he can even get higher return, if he does not manage such a large funds loh...!!

Meaning if he use his old ways of investment based on margin of safety, he can even get even higher return loh...!!
23/01/2019 00:49
qqq3 raid...I don't have to know the Big Ben to know legends don't get himself involved with third liners......
23/01/2019 00:52
stockraider U don understand loh...Ben Graham buy alot of 3rd liners as long as it is highly undervalue following his margin of safety criteria mah..!!

Traders like u really don understand loh...!!

Posted by qqq3 > Jan 23, 2019 12:52 AM | Report Abuse

raid...I don't have to know the Big Ben to know legends don't get himself involved with third liners......
23/01/2019 00:56
qqq3 when legends get involved with third liners, they take over the company, not sit passively to be screwed.
23/01/2019 08:33
qqq3 when legends get involved with third liners, they take over the company, not sit passively to be screwed.....like City of London, screwed by icap for > 5 years already.
23/01/2019 08:35
3iii >>>Posted by Sslee > Jan 22, 2019 11:54 PM | Report Abuse

Dear 3iii,
I quote, “You owe a duty to your family to be careful with your finances. Invest wisely and carefully. Invest in yourself. Read more”

Investment philosophy: Looking for stocks that give reasonable dividend yield and capital appreciation. (A bird in the Hand is worth two in the Bush). Understand that in order to beg a 10 bagger needs patience to wait for next market crash. (If it occurs I am prepare, if it doesn’t happen I am fine with my current investment) Note: 1/3 in stock market investment, 1/3 with my wife FD and another 1/3 in my FD account. Debt free, still have my full time pay job, my two sons already working and my daughter 1st year in Sunway University (Mass communication and art of advertisement). Isn’t that fulfilling my duty to my family and careful with my finance? <<<<


Sslee

How many 10 baggers do you have in your present portfolio?
23/01/2019 08:47
3iii >>>Note: 1/3 in stock market investment, 1/3 with my wife FD and another 1/3 in my FD account.<<<<



From my observation, you are better to work with a financial advisor.
23/01/2019 08:48
Sslee Dear 3iii,
Thank you for your: “ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK” I am busy with my daily full time job can I ask you a favor please scan thro’ bursa and list down the most yes answers and with PE below 20 even better if I can get QL PE below 10 during 2010-2009 or close to your NESTLE PE when you first bought into it. I will then invest RM200K and continues top up every quarter for next 40 quarter into 2 million shares by 2029.

Quote from Mr. Philip, “Now, I must admit, when you see the QL director himself Mr Chia be at the site 1 hour before you wake up, you become very respectful and clear about the quality of management. And so after chinese new year of 2009 after company bonus when I bought RM200K worth of QL----That was when I knew I had to look at QL deeper. Reading into the financial reports, it was very high pe (around 29 if i remember correctly), but the free cash flow, the growth in revenue, and the speed of implementation. I attended AGM. read into the competitors. “
I remember shaking mr chia song kun hand and actually having a talk with him regarding his policies and strategies. Very humble and hands on man who wakes up at 5 and goes to site directly early morning. If I could have him working for me I thought, I'd never lose a nights sleep.
https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/stk/fin/7084.jsp?type=last10fy

As of your question, “How many 10 baggers do you have in your present portfolio?”
My answer none so far. But I can foreseen my fortune going for a sea change if you and Mr. Philip can recommend stocks as you stated that fulfilled your “ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK”
I am eagerly looking forward to your recommendation, hope you don’t disappointed me.

My thousand thanks.
23/01/2019 09:19
3iii >>
Dear 3iii,
Thank you for your: “ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK” I am busy with my daily full time job can I ask you a favor please scan thro’ bursa and list down the most yes answers and with PE below 20 even better if I can get QL PE below 10 during 2010-2009 or close to your NESTLE PE when you first bought into it. I will then invest RM200K and continues top up every quarter for next 40 quarter into 2 million shares by 2029.<<<


I am sharing to show another side of investing.

>>>>
As of your question, “How many 10 baggers do you have in your present portfolio?”
My answer none so far. But I can foreseen my fortune going for a sea change if you and Mr. Philip can recommend stocks as you stated that fulfilled your “ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK”
I am eagerly looking forward to your recommendation, hope you don’t disappointed me.

My thousand thanks.
>>>>>


I share my philosophy and strategy.
Sorry, I never ask people to buy or sell.
They have to do their own hard work.
Regards
23/01/2019 15:09
stockraider As usual this no balls 3iii avoiding a direct stock pick request from sslee loh....!!

Why leh ??? Basically this 3iii no balls loh...!!

If he make a statement n make a stock call....if successful he has bragging rights mah...!! But he miss this opportunity mah..!!

Despite this 3iii....talkcock everyday & bragging of his growth stock, but when confronted with a challenge this 3iii chicken out loh...!!

Why chicken leh ??

This 3iii no confidence with his system mah, he is afraid people laugh at him if fail loh....!!

He is not that smart & not that bold loh...!!


Posted by 3iii > Jan 23, 2019 03:09 PM | Report Abuse
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Dear 3iii,
Thank you for your: “ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK” I am busy with my daily full time job can I ask you a favor please scan thro’ bursa and list down the most yes answers and with PE below 20 even better if I can get QL PE below 10 during 2010-2009 or close to your NESTLE PE when you first bought into it. I will then invest RM200K and continues top up every quarter for next 40 quarter into 2 million shares by 2029.<<<

I am sharing to show another side of investing.

>>>>
As of your question, “How many 10 baggers do you have in your present portfolio?”
My answer none so far. But I can foreseen my fortune going for a sea change if you and Mr. Philip can recommend stocks as you stated that fulfilled your “ONE PAGE QUICK ANALYSIS OF A STOCK”
I am eagerly looking forward to your recommendation, hope you don’t disappointed me.

My thousand thanks. >>>>>

I share my philosophy and strategy.
Sorry, I never ask people to buy or sell.
They have to do their own hard work.
Regards
23/01/2019 15:46
probability investing is capitalist way of creating a pyramid scheme to cheat the poor who are slaves of their reproductive organs to copulate and reproduce for future consumption...
23/01/2019 15:53
stockraider In a way some truth loh....!!

But if u worry about this issue, why don u make a point to check the director remunerations b4 buying the stock leh ??

Posted by 如鱼得水 > Jan 23, 2019 03:51 PM | Report Abuse

investing is giving money to companies director to live a luxury life... n u yourself go Holland drink tulip juice..
23/01/2019 15:54
probability in a world without capitalism...all production should equal consumption...and there should not be left over, excess of production (retention) for justifying future growth in consumption.....


it should be pure barter

the music will stop when population awakens like the japanese...

and its the duty of all economist, politician and businessman...to keep the music on...

the show must go on
23/01/2019 15:58
qqq3 investing is selling dreams and hope....

everyone needs dreams and hope.
23/01/2019 15:59
stockraider Correctloh....think & grow rich are all base on the blind faith of hope mah......!!

Posted by qqq3 > Jan 23, 2019 03:59 PM | Report Abuse

investing is selling dreams and hope....

everyone needs dreams and hope.
23/01/2019 16:00
qqq3 don't buy from Thong Kok Kee.....its a night mare he is selling....
23/01/2019 16:03
stockraider He is a change man of late mah...!!

Posted by qqq3 > Jan 23, 2019 04:03 PM | Report Abuse

don't buy from Thong Kok Kee.....its a night mare he is selling....
23/01/2019 16:07
qqq3 selling raider hope.
23/01/2019 16:08
stockraider It is not hope u can see for yourself the success mah....!!

1. Just inari 19% that insas own is more than exceed the whole insas mkt capitalization loh...!!

2. Insas is sitting on a nett cash of Rm 300m mah...!! He did not sapu any monies loh...!!

3, Recently insas pays decent div with yield of around 3% pa this is even higher than nestle div yield of only 2.5% pa.

4. He has grown insas NTA to rm 2.54 per share and he has steer insas to a track record of 10 yr annual growth of shareholder fund without fail loh...!!

5. He has help insas to achieve a decent latest eps which resulted insas having an attractive PE of 6x loh...!!

6. He even relinquish his executive position to allow his captain Mr Wong to take charge of Insas loh...!!

Mr Thong is one can be consider one of the best 5 star ivy league investment banker, the best msia ever had loh....!!

Posted by qqq3 > Jan 23, 2019 04:08 PM | Report Abuse

selling raider hope.
23/01/2019 16:20
qqq3 ask them to give u some Inari shares la.
23/01/2019 16:27
stockraider i m comfortable they can create more & more value on inari...no need to so kencheong bcos they only own 19% mah...when the right time come insas share price can double or even triple when they decide to distribute inari share mah...!!

Posted by qqq3 > Jan 23, 2019 04:27 PM | Report Abuse

ask them to give u some Inari shares la.
23/01/2019 16:33
qqq3 will not be long before your Insas is a PE 50 stock at 70 sen ......and without any path to growth..........guarantee.
23/01/2019 17:06
stockraider Insas investment strategy is not growth but fair value rerating due to insas share price huge discount to its fair value mah...!!

It is totally diff from Growth investment loh....!!

Posted by qqq3 > Jan 23, 2019 05:05 PM | Report Abuse

will not be long before your Insas is a PE 50 stock......and without any path to growth..........guarantee.
23/01/2019 17:08
3iii Benjamin Graham, the founding father of value investing, was the first to recognize the quality problem among equities back in the 1930s.

- Graham classified stocks as either Quality or Low Quality.

- He also observed that the greatest losses result not from buying quality at an excessively high price, but from buying Low Quality at a price that seems good value.
24/01/2019 08:35
stockraider With the fast recovery of inari share price, there maybe a fair chance that insas, could be a technology growth stock too, bcos of vast insas exposure on inari....the investment of insas on inari has appreciated more than the whole insas capitalization mah....!!

Just sit n relax and watch the opportunity of insas, the best margin of safety stock....insas hathaway loh...!!

U can just buy insas instead of inari mah....!!
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