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Margin Finance, Ever-Sendai: A real time case study kcchongnz

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“The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm, but because of those who look at it without doing anything”. Albert Einstein


I have read a good article on “Who’s afraid of share margin facility?” a few days ago in the link below,


Note there is this word of a company, Elsoft, in the link above. He must be an investor in Elsoft.

At the end of the article, there is this statement below,

So, what are your thoughts about leveraging and SMF in general? Do leave a comment.”

I love this kind of writer. He encourages discussions and exchange of ideas. This is what i3investor should strive for in its forum.

With that, here are my comments.


The article above propagates the advantages of margin finance in magnify gains investing in stocks, and at the same time providing additional liquidity to take advantage of an opportunity when it arises.

It did mention that the magnifying gains only if the gain is more than the cost of borrowing of 5%, and that this 5% interest rate “is quite high”, he said.

It also presenting the dark side of margin finance, which it mentioned,

Leverage is a double-edge sword.


Leverage is risky and often works in the opposite by magnifying your losses.”

It further elaborated that,

A costly interest rate is further exacerbated by the fact that any outstanding sum on unpaid interest will be added onto the principal amount (like an interest of a credit card). In other words, interest is compounded.”

It is all good so far, an unbiased view indeed.

And here are the conclusions of the article,

  1. Margin finance is a good debt as it allows one to generate income from it.
  2. Every investor should have a margin account

I can see the writer had made a lot of money using share margin finance (SMF) investing in Elsoft. And he is suggesting everybody to use SMF.

Nothing wrong too as this is his opinion. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. It is probably from his own experience too.

I have written a few articles on Elsoft about two and a half years ago when it was trading at RM1.91, or an adjusted price of RM1.15 in the links below,




If the writer has invested in this stock two and a half years ago, he would have made a total return of about 126%, with his own money. If he were to utilize the margin finance, say at 50% leverage, after interest costs he would have made about 230%, in two and a half years!

That is the wonder of SMF.

I would be biased here that SMF is so good by using just one example investing in Elsolf. Let us be impartial a little using another example, EverSendai.


Why Sendai?

I chose Sendai because this stock has been heavily promoted in i3investor, and many “investors” here are very keen on it because of certain factor. It is a hot stock.

It is no point of talking about “How I made so much money investing using SMF in Sendai a year ago when it was selling at 47 sen, and I sold it at RM1.37.”

Few knew about Sendai a year ago when it was selling cheap, as no one promoting it yet anyway.

As I am a risk-averse person, and I strongly think everyone should be risk-averse in the stock market with your hard-earned money, I would talk about,

How I avoid losing big using SMF investing in Sendai”.

Well, it is just my opinion. You do not have to agree.


“Investing” in Sendai using SMF

I have written an article about “Banging on Sendai: Risk and Return” two weeks ago in the link below,


Yes, as you can see, I would never invest in Sendai at RM1.37 then. I have a lot of reservations about this company. Well, again, this is just my own opinion.

I wrote the above article to share my view on this stock because sometime in mid-July this year, there was this person who continued asking young persons to “sailing”, presumably in the stock market, using Sendai, and another stock Jaks, as examples.

“Sailang” is a colloquial word, meaning betting everything you have on a hand of cards in poker. He said if you want to drive Royce Roy, you must “sailing” Jaks and Sendai! He posted heaps of comments about it, practically flooding the whole forum, every day.

Sendai was trading at about RM1.37 then at its high.

At the close yesterday, Sendai fell to 80 sen, for a loss of 42%, in just two months!

What would happen if one followed the “sailing” call, and bought say 100000 shares of Sendai at RM1.37, or for RM137000, using SMF?


The Peril of SMF

Without any SMF, this investor would have lost RM57000, or 42%. With SMF of 50%, he would have lost a whopping 83%, in just two months! This has not included the set-up cost, the interest payment for the SMF, and other transaction costs.

By now, his friendly investment banker would have been calling him to top up about RM40000 to lower his leverage ratio down to 60%, as his present leverage ratio is already 86%!


Margin calls

Some investors may have encountered margin calls as their maintenance margin, i.e. equity/Market value of shares, has fallen below 40%. A margin call can be responded by depositing cash or marginable securities to the margin account or by liquidating existing stocks to get cash.

In margin calls, your brokerage firm has discretion as to when you are required to increase the equity in your margin account. Whether or not you have been contacted by your broker, they can take immediate action to increase the equity in your account if they decide the equity is too low and is not commensurate with the risk of your account. This means they can immediately sell out whichever securities they choose, regardless of the financial obligations for you. That can turn things into a vicious circle, especially for the illiquid stocks; the more they sell, the lower the price of the stocks, the more losses one will encountered.

Depositing more cash will subject to more risks if there is further drop of the value the stock, and hence the risk of more losses. In the short-term, it is hard to know when the bottom of the share price will be, even for some good shares.

Liquidating some positions, a great stock which you supposed to have purchased for the long-term will result in permanent accentuated, and realized losses which is very hard to recover.



The most dramatic way we protect ourselves is we don’t use leverage. We believe almost anything can happen in financial markets… [so] even smart people can get clobbered with leverage. It’s the one thing that can prevent you from playing out your hand.”      Warren Buffett


Leverage can magnify your gains in the stock market, but do not forget the other part of the story. Some people do make a lot of money using SMF, but many more, especially the newbies, without proper investment knowledge, and the inexperienced had lost hugely in the stock market too.

In the short-term, the market is a voting machine, but in the long term it is a weighing machine.”

There is a dark side of using SMF.


I declare that I have nothing against investors using SMF, and I have nothing against anybody, nor the company Eversendai.


KC Chong

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kcchongnz Posted by stockmanmy > Sep 28, 2017 10:03 PM | Report Abuse
I am not anyone's father here.....
But it is true every thing I say about sailang, margin account, super investor,
Never seen a super successful investor without sailang and margin account. Have you seen one in your long life?

I am not sure you are fit to be a father, telling your children to use margin and sailang Sendai and Jaks at RM1.37 and RM1.72 respectively. But that is none of our business.

What do you call a person without morality?

Have I seen one super investors who are successful without sailang and margin?

Warren Buffet, Seth Klarman, Walter Schloss, Howard Marks, Mohnish Pabarai, etc etc. They are worth billions of USD.

Your so-called super investor can't even smell their fart.
28/09/2017 22:36
goldenluck16 Case in point about the risk of SMF is the former CEO of Bumi Armada..banks forced sell his shares when he couldn't top up his margin call.
28/09/2017 22:36
goldenluck16 One can go bankrupt within days if the financier forced sell your shares during a financial meltdown..it's a point of no return.
28/09/2017 22:39
stockmanmy KC

Warren the Buffalo not only sailang and margin.....

Warren the Buffalo started his career by borrowing from friends and family and sailang all in a bankrupt textile company.
28/09/2017 23:05
kcchongnz Posted by stockmanmy > Sep 28, 2017 11:05 PM | Report Abuse
Warren the Buffalo not only sailang and margin.....
Warren the Buffalo started his career by borrowing from friends and family and sailang all in a bankrupt textile company.

You are really a talk cock king!

Warren Buffett invested successfully and made a lot of money before 1965. With the money he made, he took control of Berkshire Hathaway in 1965, and become a multi-billionaire now.

What gives you the idea that he borrowed money from friends and family to sailang Berkshire Hathaway?

Warren Buffet never tell anybody to use margin finance. Instead the first thing he told the young people in order to be successful, never use margin finance.

There are many videos and articles in the internet you can search for it.
29/09/2017 00:06
paperplane No right or wrong using margin. It is individual risk appetite.
29/09/2017 00:10
kcchongnz Posted by paperplane2016 > Sep 29, 2017 12:10 AM | Report Abuse
No right or wrong using margin. It is individual risk appetite.

You are right. Everybody has his own rights and preferences.

However, telling the young people and newbies to use margin to sailang stocks like Sendai and Jaks in public forums, especially you are a well-known and well-respected person in the society is definitely wrong, very wrong!
29/09/2017 00:19
stockmanmy Post removed. Why?
29/09/2017 00:21
kcchongnz Posted by stockmanmy > Sep 29, 2017 12:21 AM | Report Abuse
what you didn't say is ...Warren buffalo now wants to appear respectable and wants people to forget his past...and how he got rich in the first place.
Do as he says but never ever do has he do.......hahahahahaha

You are just talking cock.

Warren Buffett invested successfully and made a lot of money before 1965. With the money he made, he took control of Berkshire Hathaway in 1965, and become a multi-billionaire now.

But that is not the point here. The point is,

Warren Buffet never shout everywhere in the public forums to sailang, sailang until you lost 83% in two months!

No respectable person will go around in public forums to sailang sailang sailang! Only idiots like you do.
29/09/2017 00:29
KLCI King hardcore fact:
No respectable person will go around in public forums to sailang sailang sailang!
29/09/2017 00:45
stockmanmy Post removed. Why?
29/09/2017 00:48
KLCI King Fully agreed:
telling the young people and newbies to use margin to sailang stocks is definitely wrong, very wrong!

I have gone through that process, fighting to resist the temptation to use margin, never dare to touch margin until having proven successful investing records & experience.

Those young kids dare to dream big using margin will find themselves in a plane flying to holland and they will be the old men never dare to touch stocks in their golden years.
29/09/2017 00:50
paperplane Well, one must know what they are doing before starting margin financing, that important! Even I studied financial analysis with one course of margin call financing module, I have hard time calculating the margin call losses as it keep changing.....Imagine lay man who buy stock for dividend only..

That is why no right or wrong, if the person take share investing as a gambling place, regardless young or old, they will also ultimately play margin.

I know one youngster, he start stock investing first day with margin! He said I win, win big, lose all, I will top up margin. That's the attitude of ppl sometimes….....Regardless who said what, who advise what, some people just stubborn and won't listen. Some ppl just has to learn their own way. They like to do margin for max loss or win, this their own decision. Nothing much we can do to help these type people.
29/09/2017 00:51
KLCI King stockmanmy talking rubbish and like to twist & turn all the time, come on, stupid, they don't sailang, they own the company.

No one will say:
Tony sailang in Airasia
Teh Hong Piow sailang at Public Bank
Warren buffett sailang in berkshire hathaway

29/09/2017 00:55
KLCI King I stop here, you guys continue, I don't need to prove anything.
29/09/2017 00:56
kcchongnz Posted by stockmanmy > Sep 29, 2017 12:48 AM | Report Abuse
name me a CEO without margin account......name me a CEO who does not sailang....in fact , name me a super successful investor who has does not sailang and margin account.

Warren Buffet, Seth Klarman, Walter Schloss, Howard Marks, Mohnish Pabarai, etc etc. They are worth billions of USD.

Your so-called super investor can't even smell their fart.
29/09/2017 00:58
KLCI King Straight to the point, well said, always heard sailang at gambling place.

Posted by paperplane2016 > Sep 29, 2017 12:51 AM | Report Abuse
That is why no right or wrong, if the person take share investing as a gambling place, regardless young or old, they will also ultimately play margin.
29/09/2017 00:59
stockmanmy Post removed. Why?
29/09/2017 01:15
3iii Warren Buffett is the world's greatest investor. He is truly very good and teaches a lot.

What has Warren Buffett shared on using margins or leverage in investing?

He advises against these. His reasonings are sound. If you are already rich, you do not need to employ these exposing yourself to the uneccesary risk of suddenly being poor should events go against your judgement. Grow richer slowly rather than risking becoming poor quickly. On the other hand, if you are not so rich or even poor, you have even more reasons to avoid margins and leverage.
29/09/2017 07:47
3iii Warren Buffett did borrow money to invest in his career. These situations involved arbitrages.
29/09/2017 07:48
CharlesT I doubt if WB uses much margin financing..he can use free money from insurance companies
29/09/2017 08:21
bursagoinglong thank you for your kind compliments kcchongnz with regard to my article.

29/09/2017 09:17
Jay at the end of the day it boils down to risk management. risk management does not mean don't take risk, it means taking sensible and profitable risk. say a few years ago if you use margin to trade the SPAC arbitrage, pay 5% interest but earn a high probability annualised return of >10%, that is good risk taking. if you use margin to follow hot stock tips then good luck.
29/09/2017 09:54
GGecko i used to have a margin account about 15 years ago. but i got burnt very badly with margin calls to the extent of having to mortgage my property. subsequently, stop using margin after that. now everything is cash. 25% return YTD for 2017. can sleep well at nite
29/09/2017 09:58
Jay for risk management, key question is not how much will I earn if it goes up. the right question is how likely will it go down, and how my position would be affected. if you don't have an answer, you are better off without margin
29/09/2017 09:58
paperplane Jay, bro, you are BACK! How? PETRONM and HENGYUaN longtime no see you comment. Please provide some input, your input one of the BEST lah!
29/09/2017 12:15
mamakspecial Investment bankers themselves want you guys to play margin la..if not how to pay money to their client's trading account.

If I remember correctly Buffet transform the then ailing textile company Berkshire and MANAGE it (not just invest and buy it) and diversify the business into today's empire.

My view is that Malaysia is lacking quality companies to invest in. Previously USD strong, all those export stock esp tech and testing equipment company goes up, now MYR slowly going back up, all retreating. Then comes Aluminium price went up, only PMETAL stock doing well, others are just ok ok. Then now comes Steel price went up, SSTEEL, MASTEEL and others goreng up but most of their financials not really doing that well. Then goreng Hibiscus from oil up....oil down goreng PETRONM and Hengyuan..lol...

The big thing in malaysia now is the construction of the MRT and HSR and East Coast rail. Gadang big player..but no movement..only GKENT can see movement.

sigh..any1 can share how to play ?
29/09/2017 13:25
29/09/2017 14:29
bursagoinglong After reading some of the comments in this article, as the writer of "Who is afraid of share margin facility": http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/elsoft/133215.jsp I would like to emphasis that the purpose of the article is to disseminate the workings of a share margin facility.

Even if the article suggests that everyone should get a share margin facility, some may have over thought that statement to mean that margin play should be part and parcel of one's investment. That is simply not how it was said.

This is an except of my article:

"Hence, our stance is that every investor should have a margin account even if there is no impending need for it yet. Like substituted soccer players, you can keep them on the sideline and only put them to play when it is necessary to do so."

It is my intention that a share margin facility be kept at the SIDELINE and to be used when NECESSARY (for example, when the market is recovering from a crash).

Hope that clears the air.
29/09/2017 16:00
mancingbursa I dun like otang, anyway i only use real money.
29/09/2017 16:37
MoneyFace88 Nice one KC. Opportunity for you to take revenge against KYY.
29/09/2017 21:46
kcchongnz Posted by MoneyFace88 > Sep 29, 2017 09:46 PM | Report Abuse
Nice one KC. Opportunity for you to take revenge against KYY.

I do not take revenge, nothing to take.

Nobody has hurt me.

I only share my analysis and point of view. I like to write and share.
29/09/2017 23:18
kcchongnz Posted by dragonslayer > Sep 28, 2017 10:32 PM | Report Abuse
Aiyo sifu kc...I wonder why you picked sendai as your case study leh..it happen...this is superinvestor ctr....can I request you make another case on Heng Yuan Refining Company....hope you can help tampok...there will be alot ppl interested too...thank you very much..aiyoyo...kikiki

I have no interest to go around, shouting about how someone has slaughtered a dragon, using margin finance and made millions from speculating in HengYuan. If you have done it, congratulation.

I am more concern about those naive punters, listening and following the persistent touting of using margin, purportedly investing in Sendai two months ago, and have lost their pants.
30/09/2017 21:47
kcchongnz aiyoyo, dragonslayer,

don't compare HY with Sendai lah. I think HY at this price is "heng" (prosperous), whereas Sendai a this price is at dire state.

Again, just personal opinion. Don't get angry with me if you own Sendai.
30/09/2017 22:52
stockraider Posted by dragonslayer > Sep 30, 2017 10:58 PM | Report Abuse

Aiyo sifu kc...no lah...me not owning sendai or jaks or HY lah...just kepoh ronda ronda the forum and put sone remarks only...aiyoyo...kikiki

Raider comment,
aiyah this dragon no class loh...!!
So many sifu in Hengyuan...like Probability, OTB, Paperlane, Alex, KYY, icon all support Hengyuan....why u want to waste KC time....by getting him to come n kacau Hengyuan leh ??

Lucky sifu KC do not accept ur manipulative invitation loh...!!

Hengyuan is a much better counter compare with sendai mah...!!
30/09/2017 23:06
VenFx Manmy, from day 1 I ask u not to have crush in Set die...

I want u to wish a Vis...

Can u understand my intention ?

30/09/2017 23:09
stockraider when things does not turnout right...must lari kuat kuat or cut loss loh...!!

especially when the stock no margin of safety and have alot of people use margin to buy loh...!!
30/09/2017 23:13
VenFx If can't run
At least must Roll On.
30/09/2017 23:15


Posted by kcchongnz > Sep 30, 2017 10:52 PM | Report Abuse

aiyoyo, dragonslayer,

don't compare HY with Sendai lah. I think HY at this price is "heng" (prosperous), whereas Sendai a this price is at dire state.

Again, just personal opinion. Don't get angry with me if you own Sendai.
30/09/2017 23:33
signor ya, vested interest article very dangerous, like this one. talk so much, assume this and that but still KO by wide margin. this writer also wrote HY i think.
HIAPTEK: A Turnaround Steel pipe Player (Accounting loss in Subsidiary: What happen to cash flow?) - https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/lionind/133611.jsp
01/10/2017 08:27
stockraider Posted by dragonslayer > Oct 1, 2017 08:06 AM | Report Abuse

Aiyo chief promoter...good morning...morning breakfast with morning joke...why you so fast hang sifu kc banner at HY liao kah...aiyoyo...baru cakap wa very cheap and no class few minutes later adopted my suggestion to hang sifu kc banner over HY liao...aiyoyo...do you think you need to issue an open letter of apology to me boh...now you look cheaper than me leh...itu lah...always dunno head dunno tail shoot arrows at ppl lah...now shoot at own foot liao leh...so..I m waiting for your letter of apology ya...when you intend to issue the same letter to jupiterang regarding you shot arrow at him on hiaptek matter...pls be man tampok leh...even sifu OTB also issued open letter to apologise on hiaptek matter leh..he cant ctrl if mgmt want to cheat leh....mostly all can accept his open letter but some cant lah..and still call him sifu OTB leh....then you must admit if you shoot the wrong arrow also leh...being chief promoter is not an easy task leh..you lead a group of promoters to kill all the penkritik...you kill all the penkritik regardless whether their opinions are valid or not leh...I think is a bit too bias also leh...still waiting sifu sifu in HY to answer my 5 unanswered questions leh...why all sifu sifu in HY there cherry pick questions and answered one leh..got anything to hide meh...aiyoyo...btw sifu kc still not issue full analysis report yet why you so kiasu hang his banner in HY liao leh....wait lah...wait sifu kc keluar full report baru hang lah...no head no tail one general statement from sifu kc.. not even put any TP at all...you hang his banner in HY liao...who is cheaper now leh...you or me leh...aiyoyo..want to sailang or sialang must wait for sifu kc full analysis lah...an independent non vested interest reputable sifu kc will make more impact than vested interest sifu punya report lah...HY is cinaman company leh...must be more careful before sailang using margin leh...cinaman companies many black swan in history leh....aiyoyo....kikiki





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01/10/2017 12:04
stockraider Posted by dragonslayer > Oct 1, 2017 12:03 PM | Report Abuse

Aiyo chief promoter...all my questions were posted at HY there one lor...dun tell me you missed the questions leh...go and ask your promoters...they should have keep a soft copy of all the questions ..as I think they also eagerly waiting sifu sifu to reply but non reply.. ..aiyoyo...my question always started like this one...can any/anyone sifu answer my question...one day one question if not wrong....then follow by the question lah...aiyoyo...sori ya...I m old oredy...dun have enuf memory to remember what I tulis in the forum...cos my memory only for storing lepak lepak gossip gossip stories nia nia lah...if want to count...shld be countless liao lah...pls ask your promoters ok....aiyoyo....I requested sifu kc view on HY...hopefully he can tulis one independent analysis that will benefit all investors lah...not that I want to invest in this cinaman company lah...I sumpah many times no vested interest in HY lah...siapa mau follow me to temple sumpah pun cakap many times oredy lah....not in the past nor in the future also lah...only purely kepoh nia nia lah....aiyoyo....kikiki

General Raider,

Cannot find mah....!!
u post properly as per my instruction lah...!!
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01/10/2017 14:32
stockmanmy Post removed. Why?
06/10/2017 11:21
stockmanmy Post removed. Why?
06/10/2017 14:46
stockmanmy just checked my account.

almost half my this year profits come from sailang ( and sell) at the right time for Jaks, Sendai and Hengyuan.
06/10/2017 20:54
stockmanmy idiots and cowards keep deleting my posts....

shame on idiots and cowards.
06/10/2017 21:40
stockmanmy in short....lousy timing, lousy analysis and lousy business sense to rite this article when it is 80 sen....now 95 sen.....

better would have left my responses at 80 sen not deleted ......
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What do I need to do to get my free crypto?
Every airdrop has a different set of rules. We suggest you make a bitcointalk forum account to be able to apply for the airdrops that require contacting a team member (usually PM). Ethereum Dark airdrop is a good example for this format. Every person that wanted to apply for this ETHd airdrop had to PM the developer with his ETHd address to get the tokens. We suggest to post once in a while, often bitcointalk "newbies" are rejected for the airdrop.

Some new airdrops require retweets on twitter, usually you need a minimum amount of followers, so make sure you have active social media accounts to be eligible for these free crypto tokens.

Check your wallets regularly to see if you received surprise airdrops. Platforms like Waves or Komodo have delivered airdrops for Waves or Komodo holders without any announcement.

Always make sure you own the private keys to your coins & tokens to receive airdrops based on Bitcoin or Ethereum (or other) blockchain snapshots. However NEVER post your private keys to receive an airdrop! Be aware of scams, if you give away your private keys your coins will be stolen! We do our best to filter out all the scams, but it is possible one might slip through our research.

If​ ​you​ ​are​ ​an​ ​investor​ ​holding​ ​a​ ​diverse​ ​portfolio​ ​of​ ​coins​ ​you​ ​are​ ​likely​ ​to​​ be ​receiving​ ​more​ ​and​ ​more free​ crypto ​as​ ​this​ ​concept​ ​keeps​ ​gaining​ ​popularity.

Why would blockchain projects give away free tokens?
When​ ​something​ ​is​ ​free​ ​you’re​ ​the​ ​product

To raise awereness for their project/token they airdrop free crypto to the crypto community. It's a great way to widely distribute the tokens to create a community for it. It is free advertising, it brings people to your project that otherwise would not have owned or heard about it. It could lead to token price appreciation, which is probably the goal for these blockchain projects.

Looking​ ​forward,​ ​possible​ crypto ​airdrop​ ​developments​ ​could​ ​be​ ​projects​ ​starting​ ​to​ ​gift​ ​tokens​ ​to​ ​users​ ​who hold​ ​tokens​ ​in​ ​projects​ ​that​ ​overlap​ ​or​ ​have​ ​some​ ​synergy​ ​with​ ​their​ ​own.​ ​We​ ​could​ ​also​ ​see​ ​projects encouraging​ ​other​ ​projects​ ​to​ ​airdrop​ ​to​ ​their​ ​token​ ​owners​ ​and​ ​receiving​ ​some​ ​benefit​ ​in​ ​return. Like we already see happening at the Ethereum, Waves, NXT & Komodo platforms.

Where can I sell my airdropped crypto?
So now you have free crypto, what do you do? Many coins that do airdrops are PRE-ICO or just finished their ICO. This often means it is not traded yet on the bigger exchanges. You can check out our exchange page to see where you can best sell your crypto airdrops click here

We suggest you make an account at all exchanges we listed so you can easily sell and receive your crypto airdrops.

We hope you receive as many airdrops as possible and that they increase in value over time. Many projects that are now top 40 coins have done airdrops in their early stages, like NEM, DECRED & Ripple. You don't need to immediatly sell your free crypto, there is nothing wrong with being a HODLer.
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