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The case of ATA IMS: A tip of the iceberg? By Veeriah

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WHEN appliance maker, Dyson, decided to end its contract with ATA IMS Bhd premised upon allegations of forced labour indicators, it ought to trigger alarm bells!

In the past, we saw actions against those in the rubber glove and plantation sectors. Now, we are confronted with allegations of forced labour indicators in the electrical and electronic (E&E) sector.

MTUC (Malaysian Trades Union Congress) Penang Division had in the past expressed its concerns of forced labour indicators in sectors beyond the rubber glove and plantation sectors.

We had opined that a cross section of economic activities would fail to confirm with the threshold forced labour indicators. We even said back then that “… we are inclined to believe that it would be a fact in all other sectors that employ migrant guest workers” (Malaysiakini, July 19, 2020).

K Veeriah

The case of ATA IMS seems to suggest that the Government needs to cast its net to a wider spectrum of employers to ascertain the depth of non-compliance with forced labour indicators.

We are convinced that a comprehensive audit – not limited to micro, small and medium enterprises but to encompass wider sectors such as tourism, hotels, etc – would unearth glaring instances of non-adherence to forced labour indicators.

We in the MTUC wish to reiterate that we are convinced that abuses of forced labour indicators prevail in a cross of economic activities and that the reported cases are but the tip of the iceberg.

Human Resources Minister Datuk Seri M. Saravanan is reported to have stated that forced labour allegations are hurting investors’ confidence and we concur with him on the issue.

But what ought to concern him more is the US Government’s recent decision to downgrade Malaysia from tier 2 to tier 3 of the Trafficking In Persons (TIP) dossier.

The double whammy of the US TIP downgrading and increasing concerns of forced labour indicators prevailing in the country would – without any iota of doubt – hurt our country’s reputation in attracting investments.

Our nation has no option but to act – and act with a sense of utmost urgency – in addressing the real problems of exploitation of the workers whether Malaysians or guest migrant workers.

Unless we demonstrate a sincere commitment to confirm with accepted labour standards, we will be shunned by investors. – Dec 2, 2021

 

Veeriah is the Malaysian Trade Union Congress (MTUC) Penang Division’s secretary.

https://focusmalaysia.my/the-case-of-ata-ims-a-tip-of-the-iceberg/

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Karlos Availability of cheap labour will not encourage the industries to be more efficient and investing more in technology. Salary for labour has not kept up with the cost of living and the gap between the workers at the bottom are huge and the gap continue to increase. These issues if not recognized and addressed urgently will have social, economic and political consequences, sooner or later.
03/12/2021 4:07 PM
oskchoon Migrant workers God father Andy Hall and ILO already jointed hands to sabotage our Malaysian reputation so the only way is to provide all migrant workers with good housing,, good salary with no OT, good working environment plus yearly bonuses otherwise we will face the punishment from USA, UK or so called big power nations..
03/12/2021 4:47 PM
Karlos On the other hand, these workers are not grateful that they get employment in Malaysia and no body were forcing them to come here to work here. Most of the exploitations were actually done by their own fellow country men during recruitment that involve among other thing lending money at usurious rates to these workers.
In their own countries these so called forced labour can't get jobs and the working conditions are far worst than here.
I must state that I am against any forms exploitation, and labour must be treated with respect and fairly paid. What is surprising however, many well known international clothing brands for example, are using very cheap labour working in horrible and unsafe factories in for example Bangladesh and elsewhere too, but we don't often hear from these importer countries banning these imports?
04/12/2021 9:00 AM
stockraider Do not talk rubbish loh!

Do u know how unproductive a local worker is leh ??

Study have shown 1 foreign worker is 3x more productive than the local mah!

Thus some companies rather spend more to take care of the foreign workers in order to ensure its sustainability of business loh!

Lu tau boh ?

Posted by DickyMe > Dec 3, 2021 10:59 AM | Report Abuse

Primary role of government is to care for it's OWN CITIZENS not foreign workers. The government must ensure locals are not unemployed and receive better remuneration and all benefits taken care.

If the government acts as a foreign workers agency then definitely these emboldens crooks to masquerade as agents. There will be no control on influx of foreign workers and certainly locals unemployment will sky rocket. This will attribute to social problems like increased crime, corruption, suppressed salary hence contribute to inflation.

Employers are blood suckers. Luckily I am not the HOME MINISTER, otherwise the business of foreign workers will be burnt to ashes.
Any employers insisting on foreign workers will be told to SHUTDOWN and shift their business elsewhere.

It does not matter if the industries DIE. BETTER the EMPLOYERS DIE instead of the RAKYAT. FOREIGN WORKERS ARE FOREIGNERS and have no business in enjoying CITIZENS RIGHTS.

FOR too long these employers are enjoying vulgar profit.

GLCs are main reason of foreign workers influx.
04/12/2021 9:15 AM
treasurehunt What is grateful definition to the foreign workers? Foreign workers would say we use our sweat and blood to help you manufacturers doing the dongkey jobs that the local people don’t like to do so…the manufacturers making good profits should be grateful to us and help us to solve our debt bondage in the home country.
04/12/2021 9:49 AM
blackchicken Of course, part of the blame lies in the imposition of high fees by authorities for foreign workers to enter and remain in the country.

This has been highlighted before and it is hoped that this unfair system will be dismantled and replaced with a fairer system.

The fact remains that Malaysian businesses have relied on foreign workers to compete for far too long.

Instead, they should be either looking to automate or live with the fact that any ill- treatment of workers will eventually get them red- flagged.
04/12/2021 10:17 AM
treasurehunt No forced labor issue when a company makes good profit and at the same time their foreign employees is enjoying in 3 stars apartment, pay same with the local, comfortable working conditions , no passport withholding by the employers and no debt bondages at their home country….in overall, it’s equivalent to the local employees treatment standard la.
04/12/2021 10:23 AM
stockraider Think lah!

If can fully automate why chose msia leh ??

Might as well stay put & do the full manufacturing at high cost countries like Germany, switzerland, Usa, Japan and Australia mah!
Since little labor is use mah!

They chose msia bcos cannot fully automate & cost of labor cheaper and have access to foreign labor mah!

Lu Tau boh ?
04/12/2021 10:25 AM
treasurehunt One word. If a manufacturer is unable to invest in automation then move out the factories to low labor costs countries lor. It’s so simple.
04/12/2021 10:31 AM
stockraider Think lah!

Love malaysia mah!

What & Why move out leh ?

Just free up the control on foreign labors & let the companies employed whatever foreign & local labors they want mah!

Like that govt get tax revenue, local get quality appointment & the country economy can grow mah!

Everybody very happy mah!


Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 10:31 AM | Report Abuse

One word. If a manufacturer is unable to invest in automation then move out the factories to low labor costs countries lor. It’s so simple.
04/12/2021 10:37 AM
treasurehunt Wanna fight with the customers to prove they are wrong? Are you thinking as a businessman or normal folks? People don’t accept fairy tale stories when a big company is enjoying good profit and their employees living conditions suck, debt bondages, pay lower than local employees…..
04/12/2021 10:45 AM
DickyMe The only way to solve this problem is to BAN lowly educated cheap unskilled foreign workers. If companies and FMM insist on foreign workers, revoke their operating licence and ban FMM. SHUTDOWN traitorous companies and dissolve FMM.
04/12/2021 11:42 AM
DickyMe Some Malaysians are taking advantage of this foreign workers.
They employ them to run their petty businesses.

The government must clearly define where and which industries these foreign worker must be employed.

BAN them from service industries or petty businesses.
04/12/2021 11:45 AM
chinaman growth based on bangla is unsustainable. growth based on automation, digital IT, AI YES. nation changed name to BanglaIndonMalusia at long term
04/12/2021 11:47 AM
stockraider Rubbish lah!

Cheap uneducated foreign workers are all we wanted mah!

This uneducated productive foreign workers will be most productive & they will create opportunity for better economic growth and greater quality employment opportunity for the local more loh!

Do not be BOLOH!

Posted by DickyMe > Dec 4, 2021 11:42 AM | Report Abuse

The only way to solve this problem is to BAN lowly educated cheap unskilled foreign workers. If companies and FMM insist on foreign workers, revoke their operating licence and ban FMM. SHUTDOWN traitorous companies and dissolve FMM.


Posted by DickyMe > Dec 4, 2021 11:45 AM | Report Abuse

Some Malaysians are taking advantage of this foreign workers.
They employ them to run their petty businesses.

The government must clearly define where and which industries these foreign worker must be employed.

BAN them from service industries or petty businesses.
04/12/2021 11:49 AM
DickyMe LOL. The one turning into rubbish and garbage ground is Malaysia mah.
04/12/2021 11:50 AM
chinaman bangla can work in agriculture, plantation, fishery, VG farming, anything can increase food supply to cut down the inflated food cost. the rest -NO....locals can do the job
04/12/2021 11:53 AM
stockraider What turning point...if the policy are silly leh ??

We need foreign workers to keep the economics wheel moving mah!
04/12/2021 11:53 AM
treasurehunt We need Bangla to exploit local people salary. Period!
04/12/2021 12:02 PM
chinaman tapi, betui...bangla 3 hari 3 malam tada mandi, bau busuk pun boleh tahan....locals mana boleh tahan kalu kerja macam lembu...
04/12/2021 12:03 PM
stockraider Boloh loh...we exploit the bangla/foreign workers....to give us lower cost of food & things so that we can compete in international mkt mah!

Lu tau boh?

Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 12:02 PM | Report Abuse

We need Bangla to exploit local people salary. Period!
04/12/2021 12:04 PM
treasurehunt 'lower costs', a fairy tale story again. Put in a reality term to local people is 'exploiting'.
04/12/2021 12:09 PM
stockraider Msia must use its competitive advantage like cheap labors, good infra, easy going, cheap cost of living mah!

With cheap cost living local can enjoy greater buying power & this is help & achieve by the very good productivity of foreign labors

Think lah!

Love malaysia mah!

What & Why move out leh ?

Just free up the control on foreign labors & let the companies employed whatever foreign & local labors they want mah!

Like that govt get tax revenue, local get quality appointment & the country economy can grow mah!

Everybody very happy mah!


Think lah!

If can fully automate why chose msia leh ??

Might as well stay put & do the full manufacturing at high cost countries like Germany, switzerland, Usa, Japan and Australia mah!
Since little labor is use mah!

They chose msia bcos cannot fully automate & cost of labor cheaper and have access to foreign labor mah!

Lu Tau boh ?


Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 10:31 AM | Report Abuse

One word. If a manufacturer is unable to invest in automation then move out the factories to low labor costs countries lor. It’s so simple.
04/12/2021 12:11 PM
treasurehunt Don't bullshit of cheap labor at the expense of local people salary. Salary won't have much different between 20 years ago. Go for automation and hiking productivity value chain.
04/12/2021 12:14 PM
stockraider Malaysia should use its competitive advantage now while still can mah!

Msia must use its competitive advantage like cheap labors, good infra, easy going, cheap cost of living mah!

To attract more investment loh!

With cheap cost living local can enjoy greater buying power & this is help & achieve by the very good productivity of foreign labors

Btw...in 20 yrs time msia no longer...cheap, rich & competitive bcos of corruption & wastages mah!

Then no labor problem mah....msia will be exporting msia labor & will be competing with bangla, combodia, nepal, phillipines and indonesia in the international market mah!

Think lah!

Rubbish lah!

Currently Cheap uneducated foreign workers are all we wanted mah!

This uneducated productive foreign workers will be most productive & they will create opportunity for better economic growth and greater quality employment opportunity for the local more loh!

Do not be BOLOH!

What turning point...if the policy are silly leh ??

We need foreign workers to keep the economics wheel moving mah!


If can fully automate why chose msia leh ??

Might as well stay put & do the full manufacturing at high cost countries like Germany, switzerland, Usa, Japan and Australia mah!
Since little labor is use mah!

They chose msia bcos cannot fully automate & cost of labor cheaper and have access to foreign labor mah!

Lu Tau boh ?
04/12/2021 12:19 PM
treasurehunt Competitive in what senses? Drawing peanut salary 20 years ago for Malaysia to remain competitive ? Many gullible folks in Malaysia.
04/12/2021 12:24 PM
treasurehunt Many businesses are thinking of how to improve productivity through automation to move up the value chain. Our guy here wanted us to draw salary 20 years ago for Malaysia to remain competitive. wakaka
04/12/2021 12:26 PM
stockraider No point drawing high salary mah!

If the the min pay Rm 5000 but your meals cost u Rm 50 per meals...it is better that we stick min pay of rm 1300, where the meals only cost rm 8 per meal.

High pay means high inflation mah!

Thus high pay only a syiok sendiri situation mah!

If we increase min pay to Rm 5000 but our ringgit depreciate to USD 1 to Rm 20.00 in order to compete in international mkt also no use loh!

Most importantly, it is the purchasing power with a controllable inflation & productive worker mah!

Lu tau boh ?

Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 12:22 PM | Report Abuse

Competitive in what senses? Drawing peanut salary 20 years ago for Malaysia to remain competitive ?
04/12/2021 12:30 PM
chinaman banyak gaji buta wakil rakyat, menteri, ADUN, penjawat awam kena tanggung. since gomen makan sama boss, boss makan kuli gaji. balu boleh untung ma... boss mana ada $$ go automation, IT investment??
04/12/2021 12:31 PM
treasurehunt Tak payah automation la. Kasi orang customers hantam forced labour kau kau. Makan sendiri la. Sedap nia.
04/12/2021 12:34 PM
stockraider need to have real productivity gain....in order to increase salary in order to avoid inflation loh!

Ask yourself can the local can beat the foreign labor in terms of productivity leh ?

Like 1 local can be 3 times more productive than the foreign labor or not ?

If yes u can pay the local Rm 4,500 & pay the foreign worker Rm 1,500 mah!

Like that productive gain...no inflation & no currency depreciation mah!

Lu tau boh ?

If can fully automate why chose msia leh ??

Might as well stay put & do the full manufacturing at high cost countries like Germany, switzerland, Usa, Japan and Australia mah!
Since little labor is use mah!

They chose msia bcos cannot fully automate & cost of labor cheaper and have access to foreign labor mah!

Lu tau boh ?


Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 12:26 PM | Report Abuse

Many businesses are thinking of how to improve productivity through automation to move up the value chain. Our guy here wanted us to draw salary 20 years ago for Malaysia to remain competitive. wakaka
04/12/2021 12:36 PM
chinaman same with property price, so damn high beyond many salaryman affordability. high compliance cost, legal cost, conversion premium one of the factors. property developer sure transfer the cost to buyer. what have selangor Pakatun do to reduce the house price?
04/12/2021 12:39 PM
treasurehunt Cakap banyak pun tarak guna. Kasi customer hantam forced labour kau kau la. You tarak syok you punya pasal. Meraka hantam saja.
04/12/2021 12:42 PM
stockraider I remember i bought my 1st double storey house for Rm 170k, when i am earnings rm 4000 a mth mah! The bank interest rates was 12% pa loh!

Now this house cost Rm 950k....and the best interest rates is 3.6% pa loh! U need to earn Rm 10,000 per month mah!

Meaning the house price has appreciated 5.5x but the salary needed to afford this house need to appreciate by 2.5x only mah!

Meaning effectively u buy house cheaper now....base on your salary affordability compare to 25 years ago mah!

Lu tau boh ?

Posted by chinaman > Dec 4, 2021 12:39 PM | Report Abuse

same with property price, so damn high beyond many salaryman affordability. high compliance cost, legal cost, conversion premium one of the factors. property developer sure transfer the cost to buyer. what have selangor Pakatun do to reduce the house price?
04/12/2021 12:47 PM
stockraider Just comply with customer standard if u want to do their job loh!

If not do not do their job loh!
If customer do not want to pay more loh!

It is 101 economics mah!


Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 12:42 PM | Report Abuse

Cakap banyak pun tarak guna. Kasi customer hantam forced labour kau kau la. You tarak syok you punya pasal. Meraka hantam saja.
04/12/2021 12:49 PM
stockraider Those do not understand economics will simply say banning foreign labors & just raising the local salaries are the answer to the labor & productivity problem loh!

All these factors have linkages of cause & effects to our competitiveness & cost of livings mah!
04/12/2021 1:03 PM
treasurehunt Apa economics la. Orang kasi hantam forced labour kau kau pun tak boleh bangun keh. Nak tidur syok syok lagi..tidur lor jangan bangun. Well done!
04/12/2021 1:06 PM
stockraider Already answer mah!

Lu tau boh ?

Just comply with customer standard if u want to do their job loh!

If not do not do their job loh!
If customer do not want to pay more loh!

It is 101 economics mah!

Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 1:06 PM | Report Abuse

Apa economics la. Orang kasi hantam forced labour kau kau pun tak boleh bangun keh. Nak tidur syok syok lagi..tidur lor jangan bangun. Well done!
04/12/2021 1:08 PM
treasurehunt Jangan bangun sebab tidur mimpi syok nia. Forced labour tu small case. Jangan risau. Kita jangan peduli... Tidur lah.
04/12/2021 1:10 PM
DickyMe "Posted by stockraider > Dec 4, 2021 1:03 PM | Report Abuse

Those do not understand economics will simply say banning foreign labors & just raising the local salaries are the answer to the labor & productivity problem loh!

All these factors have linkages of cause & effects to our competitiveness & cost of livings mah!"

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LOL.

Hiring foreign workers creates unemployment for Malaysian citizens.
It also cause side effects like increased crime rate, corruption and discrimination. Only employers andpoliticians get rich while a lot of citizens are denied their basic rights for employment.

Economically, outflow of ringgit is in astronomical amount, yes, in billions. Imagine each foreign workers repatriate RM 1000 each month and multiply that with minimum 1,000,000 foreign workers. If that money remains within Malaysia, it boost domestic spending and Malaysian benefits. With outflow, other countries get the benefit and a loss.

Only employers and people with vested interest in foreign workers benefits.

Better they die instead of majority Malaysians.
04/12/2021 2:01 PM
mach10 stockraider is the very few that make most sense.bravo.
04/12/2021 2:13 PM
treasurehunt Plantation industry can simply ignore the forced labour issue since their products are targeting to India and China consumers. The price of CPO is trailing soy oil movement. The consequences would be low valuation in share price due to ESG. Plantation companies still able to enjoy decent profits.
04/12/2021 2:16 PM
DickyMe Your property appreciate to RM 1 million. Who is buying?

90% don't earn above RM 5000 salary.

So many redtapes in buying selling.

Who wants to live in a matured neighbourhood with so much noise and stalls on sidewalks with rats as big as cats running around?

Financially, only an idiiooot would commit to a RM million property with a bank loan.

Super rich would not buy property in matured area.
04/12/2021 2:18 PM
treasurehunt Don't play play with the forced labour issues in Technology and Glove sector.
04/12/2021 2:18 PM
chinaman US play foul. use forced labor as an excuse to sanction our competitive products. same as what they did to china xinjiang cotton. US biggest export to worldwide FOC is covid virus
04/12/2021 2:22 PM
treasurehunt Every big nation plays foul la. You think they are God here fulfilling our needs. They are the rules setters.
04/12/2021 2:25 PM
stockraider Forgot about force labor loh!

ESG loh!

If they want it can loh!

Just pay more mah!

Stick to your Guns loh!
04/12/2021 2:42 PM
chinaman i praised, look high upon hardworking Indon, never complained. whistleblower of ATA is Nepalian lah...waloe, i thought all nepal buddhist gentleman, that's why hire as security guard
04/12/2021 2:45 PM
treasurehunt Foreign workers come to Malaysia to work for money and remit back to their own lands helping their families. This is the basic needs to be fulfilled. What loyalty, moral... this and that are nonsense to them.
04/12/2021 2:55 PM
stockraider Do not be silly lah!

When investing in property the smart one look for location, location & location mah!

That means good mature neighbourhood loh!

Only the silly & naive look for unsustainable new under developed neighbourhoods in the middle of sepang, cyberjaya and timbaktu mah!

Lu tau boh ?


Posted by DickyMe > Dec 4, 2021 2:18 PM | Report Abuse

Your property appreciate to RM 1 million. Who is buying?

90% don't earn above RM 5000 salary.

So many redtapes in buying selling.

Who wants to live in a matured neighbourhood with so much noise and stalls on sidewalks with rats as big as cats running around?

Financially, only an idiiooot would commit to a RM million property with a bank loan.

Super rich would not buy property in matured area.
04/12/2021 2:59 PM


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