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Posted by probability > Feb 29, 2016 11:54 PM | Report Abuse

the above results is really really interesting...
one can learn a lot on true investing from above.
thanks Tan KW

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Posted by nnMM > Mar 1, 2016 12:09 AM | Report Abuse

please do one for self-managed...i believe there are many good strategies can be observed there too

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Posted by yktay1 > Mar 1, 2016 12:22 AM | Report Abuse

excellent showcase of noobs

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Posted by FayeTan > Mar 1, 2016 8:48 AM | Report Abuse

only 10 out of 72 participants manage to stay positive in their total portfolio return

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Posted by M17 > Mar 1, 2016 10:25 AM | Report Abuse

Flavour of the month, MIKROMB. =]

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Posted by XXXvalue > Mar 1, 2016 12:02 PM | Report Abuse

kudos to those still remain +ive!

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Posted by Tiger66 > Mar 1, 2016 5:12 PM | Report Abuse

the best return is +3.32 and the worst return is -22.73. 86.3% negative with 13.6% positive.

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Posted by jonbravo > Mar 1, 2016 5:14 PM | Report Abuse


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Posted by Tiger66 > Mar 1, 2016 5:53 PM | Report Abuse

small fish has 13.6% winning with big fish 86.3% winning. but fishermen catch all the big and small fish 100% winning

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Posted by chabalang > Mar 1, 2016 8:50 PM | Report Abuse

FBMKLCI YTD (Jan-Feb): -2.23%. So, only 13/72 (18%) managed to beat the benchmark index YTD. It is not easy for normal investors to consistently beat the market. There are plenty of research showing that most retailers will be better off buying passive index funds rather than trying to beat the market by themselves.

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Posted by probability > Mar 1, 2016 9:16 PM | Report Abuse

so that concludes...only way one can make (extraordinary) return more than the general market is via:

(1) TA
(2) Speculations
(3) Blogging with FA hints - very likely all those blogger dispose the moment market react to their publishing

Since ALL the above deals with emotions rather than the concept of FA, i.e buying shares like buying a part of the business, the above then means, in a zero sum game one has to continuously evolve their strategies, be creative….to be different than the majority as the majority continuously chase after you to be the same with u - any strategy will be realized by the market eventually and strategy will no longer be effective after some time. (in order to make consistent extraordinary return)

If u think u can be that odd special one….then chose to invest w/o considering FA. If not....good luck.

Mat Cendana
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Posted by Mat Cendana > Mar 2, 2016 9:43 AM | Report Abuse

The results do confirm this fact - it's a VERY tough market right now. Anyway, thanks to the organiser of this very interesting competition. And especially to those who had participated. I really appreciate the people involved.

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Posted by Beza > Mar 2, 2016 2:21 PM | Report Abuse

VERY tough market right now, I agree. We must focus on FA. Many companies were not doing well last quarter.

Mat Cendana
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Posted by Mat Cendana > Mar 2, 2016 3:44 PM | Report Abuse

My experience over the past few months: it has been the structured warrants that have been more productive. Particularly FBMKLCI- C and H. But have to be quick and decisive with these in cutting loss and also taking profit.

Ordinary shares have been very difficult. Many of the portfolio selections above aren't bad at all. But the volatility has been damaging. Even winners like export-oriented aren't safe anymore. With ordinary shares, I'd consider the downside risk first and foremost. And trying to catch an uptrend. Like with AirAsia. But must have strict discipline - if a counter slips past a technical support point, then sell and take the loss there and then. No waiting.

But anyway, I'm being cautious at the moment. Using only one-third of the capital. Will wait until sentiment turns more positive. Watching the foreign investors' daily and weekly movements especially. We need their money to come before there's significant upward momentum.

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Posted by chabalang > Mar 2, 2016 6:45 PM | Report Abuse

Thank you Tan KW and your fellow organisers. The results will certainly provide insights to investors that earning consistent good returns in the stock market is not an easy feat (or else most people will not be working and will be punting/investing in the stock market for a living).

I do agree with Mat Cendana in certain areas such as monitoring foreign net flow (e.g. yesterday and today is positive) but as for structured warrants, I am not too sure. Of course, expert traders who got the direction or strategy right will be okay. Personally, I believe a majority (>60%) of investors/traders will lose money in structured warrants - going against other more savvy traders and also at the 'mercy' of market makers/issuers.

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Posted by valuelurker > Mar 4, 2016 10:38 AM | Report Abuse

You guys are all losers

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Posted by confuse > Mar 5, 2016 10:23 AM | Report Abuse

Nobody like winners? Why take trouble to invest in stock market?

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