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beginner
334 posts

Posted by beginner > Nov 2, 2020 5:23 PM | Report Abuse

kwap saw drop too much trying to salvage a bit, but still can't help as the other end selling too furious. no worry, when it reaches the bottom sure can rebound one. now can just shut down the pc and wait for next jan to check how much the dividend


Zhuge_Lin
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Posted by Zhuge_Lin > Nov 2, 2020 6:39 PM | Report Abuse

Pity you all listen to those shouting RM11 and RM14. Where are them now? Prepare yourself for more downtrend.


ernest60
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Posted by ernest60 > Nov 2, 2020 10:50 PM | Report Abuse

haha...same to your zhuge, when the price up, you also disappear right? haha..so expecting you already..


Jeffreyteck
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Posted by Jeffreyteck > Nov 3, 2020 7:38 AM | Report Abuse

71% of EPF contributors have savings of less than RM50,000, with the minimum amount required to retire at the age of 55 being RM240,000.... this kind of data ignoring the details such as age band sound extremely alarming but shows authority competencies in using the data. Same to income differences among races without complete data or rather bias data for political mileage.
Bursa testing $7.50. Vision 2800 for KLCI remains.


terence775
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Posted by terence775 > Nov 3, 2020 10:22 AM | Report Abuse

Zhuge, I pity you more for missing the great rally. At that time, it was around RM 7.xx as well, and you keep saying it's going to drop to RM 5-6. If you cannot make money when it gained more than 50% to nearly RM 11, then I really have nothing else to say.


PH_better
588 posts

Posted by PH_better > Nov 3, 2020 10:42 AM | Report Abuse

Soft stock market Sep-Oct'20 bec no more automatic loan moratorium backdoor PN cannot see? Let voted PH rule back.


ernest60
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Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 10:51 AM | Report Abuse

Hi all, i am currently doing some calculation for my C33 cash settlement just in case i am not able to sold out at my TP. Kindly comment if my calculation correct or not and see how is go since now C33 drop to 65-70sen.

So let say i have 100000 units of C33, exercise price@8.5, conversion ratio 8 for 1, so assuming closing price at rm9, the calculation as below:

Number of BURSA-C33 x (Closing Price - Exercise Price) x (1/Exercise Ratio)

100000 x (9-8.5) x (1/8)
100000 x 0.0625
=RM6250

So does it meant that if you pricing closing at rm9, and CIMB will payout rm6250 for you?
Really appreciate it and want to see what if i hold till end of expiration, and how does the premium work? meaning CIMB will deduct rm625 if premium is 10%?


terence775
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Posted by terence775 > Nov 3, 2020 10:59 AM | Report Abuse

Ernest, yes your calculation is correct except you should not use closing price but instead VWAP on the last 5 trading days before expiry. Assuming it comes to RM 9, then yes you are correct. And no, they won't deduct RM 625.


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 11:03 AM | Report Abuse

alright noted with thx...after the C27 exercise and i also learn from it...
currently my average cost is 14sen, so i better hope the VWAP must reach 9.62 for me to breakeven after expiration..

really appreciate your fast reply for me to adjust my strategy and the worst case for my C33..
if the premium wont deduct, that why they will put it?


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 11:07 AM | Report Abuse

The IB bet it will expired out of money, so they can earn whatever you paid to buy the warrants from them. They also buy low and sell high to earn some trading profits.


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 11:08 AM | Report Abuse

therefore, worst case is that i keep averaging down the price till as low as possible and the risk is the closing price cant meet the exercise price right?


terence775
405 posts

Posted by terence775 > Nov 3, 2020 11:10 AM | Report Abuse

If closing price below exercise price, you lose 100%. so be careful ya.


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 11:11 AM | Report Abuse

Yes, if you do not sell it before expiry and the exercise price is lower than market price, you will get nothing. This is the dark side of warrants


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 11:15 AM | Report Abuse

yup noted...then for those warrant with more than RM10.5 exercise price, who will go to buy and hold ? haha


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 11:24 AM | Report Abuse

btw, anyone got fren who won from C27? haha...


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 11:38 AM | Report Abuse

Two new warrants are listed today... Will IB goreng further to attract more buyers?


yiheng0114
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Posted by yiheng0114 > Nov 3, 2020 11:47 AM | Report Abuse

anyone knows why c33 price dont go up anymore?


beginner
334 posts

Posted by beginner > Nov 3, 2020 11:51 AM | Report Abuse

c33 expires soon year end hence extremely high risk, normally people won't goreng the warrant with expiry less than 3 months provided now is out of money some more, you buy c33 very high chance it will become toilet paper when come to expiry


beginner
334 posts

Posted by beginner > Nov 3, 2020 12:11 PM | Report Abuse

i learned it with great pain, lost 15k in warrant. every day also hoping the mother will go up and waiting & waiting where the son keeps on dropping day by day until the lowest 0.005 where you sell also no point oledi. hence in the end the warrant expired with out of money, my money all eaten by cimb


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 12:13 PM | Report Abuse

@beginner, yup noted with thanks and only realize it last week on this risk of less than 3 mths expiration date,haha...so now is for me to make the call on how to do with my C33 warrant, either keep averaging down and see how is the price going and have to monitor actively...


MYinvestor
128 posts

Posted by MYinvestor > Nov 3, 2020 12:25 PM | Report Abuse

why c33 cannot go up, even the mother share rebounds. and expiry date still less than 2 mths


WenJun
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Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 12:27 PM | Report Abuse

C33 did not went down yesterday, so unless today Bursa can regain what it lost yesterday, C33 won’t have much movement


beginner
334 posts

Posted by beginner > Nov 3, 2020 1:24 PM | Report Abuse

got 2 potential catalysts can move the price up, opr cut later afternoon, fri the budget announce moratorium another 6 months - this one is the strongest catalyst if happens but will hurt the banks


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 2:55 PM | Report Abuse

based on my fren's fren insider news, the budget will be good, possible of extended moratorium or tax break for the housing loan..
@beginner which warrant that you lost 15k? also Bursa?


beginner
334 posts

Posted by beginner > Nov 3, 2020 3:19 PM | Report Abuse

tnb one but also issued by cimb


Sheng1
128 posts

Posted by Sheng1 > Nov 3, 2020 3:22 PM | Report Abuse

Still can hold the warrant expired on Feb 2021?
Feel bursa hard to up....


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 4:41 PM | Report Abuse

C44 by cimb which is today the new warrant, exercise price only rm9, haha...sp what you think?


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 4:49 PM | Report Abuse

Based on their filing, they decided this exercise price when Bursa was stuck at RM9.

It is a good warrant, easily made 20% from it today by playing intraday trades.


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 5:11 PM | Report Abuse

Able to close nicely above 8, I would say this is a good sign. I feel like CIMB (probably Maybank too?) stop selling today as their new warrant get listed.


sakurako
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Posted by sakurako > Nov 3, 2020 5:59 PM | Report Abuse

mind to enlighten me why bursa-c28 seem not popular?


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 6:02 PM | Report Abuse

CIMB usually has the most active market making activities, which translate to active buy and sell at tight bids. Other IBs generally only goreng their warrants when the mother get particularly heavy traded.


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 3, 2020 10:03 PM | Report Abuse

do you ever thought that the market maker also will buy and sell the warrants?


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 3, 2020 10:51 PM | Report Abuse

Yes of course. When price of mother changes and the warrant price should change to certain price, they may either withdraw queue or buy/sell from/to themselves (to create the illusion of active trading), on top of buy/sell from/to normal traders. For example, CIMB IB market makers generally trade multiply of 500 lot size, within 1000 ~ 5000 lots.


masterus
1937 posts

Posted by masterus > Nov 4, 2020 8:41 AM | Report Abuse

Prime minister and vice president of the United Arab Emirates and ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, has said he received a coronavirus vaccine shot.

“We wish everyone safety and great health, and we are proud of our teams who have worked relentlessly to make the vaccine available in the UAE,” he wrote on Twitter on Tuesday.


Jeffreyteck
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Posted by Jeffreyteck > Nov 4, 2020 8:47 AM | Report Abuse

After US election, back to normal. DJ may spike if print more money but not here as more we print, currency will weaken further.


masterus
1937 posts

Posted by masterus > Nov 4, 2020 12:49 PM | Report Abuse

Only reserves currencies can use QE


mirian
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Posted by mirian > Nov 4, 2020 3:29 PM | Report Abuse

All warrant under CIMB no movement except C44..........haiz...


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 4, 2020 3:48 PM | Report Abuse

haiz, yesterday my fren just told me should put in C44 but now regret...haha


sakurako
167 posts

Posted by sakurako > Nov 4, 2020 5:16 PM | Report Abuse

today volume is at low side... not yet reach game changer


mirian
25 posts

Posted by mirian > Nov 4, 2020 6:02 PM | Report Abuse

Now c33 at high gearing and low premium... If mother keep raising, should be explode


ernest60
159 posts

Posted by ernest60 > Nov 4, 2020 10:38 PM | Report Abuse

But only left less than 2 mths from expiration date wor, still can explode ?


Jeffreyteck
3849 posts

Posted by Jeffreyteck > Nov 5, 2020 8:10 AM | Report Abuse

SC won insider trading case back to 2006 Worldwide case, lol. Without long life can't even see the results, like tramsmile, supermax etc. That's why insiders aren't afraid and laughing all the way.
Anyway, market remains intact.


terence775
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Posted by terence775 > Nov 5, 2020 10:19 AM | Report Abuse

Hi Zhuge, did you make any money from RM 7.8-8.3?


WenJun
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Posted by WenJun > Nov 5, 2020 10:51 AM | Report Abuse

Legend says he is queuing at RM7, but I think he is a soothsayer that tell us Bursa will rebound few days ahead.


terence775
405 posts

Posted by terence775 > Nov 5, 2020 11:17 AM | Report Abuse

WenJun, without fail. So far, everytime he appears, Bursa rebounds. I think Titan and I managed to make some handsome profits buying below 8.


beginner
334 posts

Posted by beginner > Nov 5, 2020 11:20 AM | Report Abuse

Haha, all use zhuge as buy sign.


WenJun
359 posts

Posted by WenJun > Nov 5, 2020 11:28 AM | Report Abuse

Yeah I bought after he appears and earned some handsome profits too, cheers guys


number9
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Posted by number9 > Nov 5, 2020 11:29 AM | Report Abuse

zhuge: I pity you all la...hahaha...


ernest60
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Posted by ernest60 > Nov 5, 2020 2:36 PM | Report Abuse

dont laugh at him la, he is your god of fortune...i used up my budget to average down my C33...god bless me able to offload soon...
surprisingly it rebound during this uncertainty market before US election and Budget 2021...meaning IB finish dumping liao lo? however no need to find explanation, wait for next round zhuge show up for signal...


Sheng1
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Posted by Sheng1 > Nov 5, 2020 4:23 PM | Report Abuse

klse up almost 30 point..
But bursa just soso

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