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19,688 comment(s). Last comment by paperone at Nov 16, 2019 12:53 PM
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leno
3688 posts

Posted by leno > Nov 6, 2019 10:12 PM | Report Abuse

HAHAHAHAHAH ... Lee SOon Seng ....Chiayew !!


deMusangking
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Posted by deMusangking > Nov 7, 2019 8:52 AM | Report Abuse

aiyah!
stockraider is mad becos penkritik like musang can still get free Starbucks here while he dry dry sad sad!!!

hahaha


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 7, 2019 10:21 AM | Report Abuse

SSlee,
in the meeting, ask Insas to be changed to Insaf !!!!

haha


Fabien "The Efficient Capital Allocater"
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Posted by Fabien "The Efficient Capital Allocater" > Nov 7, 2019 1:32 PM | Report Abuse

The nature of their earnings, being an investment holding, tend to be erratic or lumpy

Their investments in inari alone, if to be realised, is far exceeded the entire company enterprise value

when the risk reward profile is so favourable, i see very little risk in investing in Insas. a case of limited downside, huge upside



3iii Return on Assets 3.59
Return on Equity 4.83
Return on Total Capital 2.26
Return on Invested Capital 4.46


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 7, 2019 1:35 PM | Report Abuse

aiyo, we are not talking about risk in insas!!!
you must be a sohai to talk abt it!!
this stock will give you only feel good sensation..even in ur tombstone you will still feel good!!!!

which means no big money coming!!! you just earn that good feeling sensation only and forever!!!

haha


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 7, 2019 2:21 PM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha
deMusangking, the feeling is real the dividend is coming.
As of 3iii. You can ask him what is the return on market cap and dividend yield of INSAS against QL.
JAKS so far dividend yield is still zero.


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 7, 2019 2:25 PM | Report Abuse

JAKS so far dividend yield is still zero.??!!
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why u didnt mention once upon a time insas is higher than jaks????

hahga


Philip Greta
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Posted by Philip Greta > Nov 7, 2019 2:59 PM | Report Abuse

Dear Sslee,

I invite you to see the 5 year returns of market cap and dividend yield of Insas against QL. So far I still dont see insas 90 cents and RM1 as per stockraider claims. And the 50PE company went higher and higher consistently without any hiccups. Wet wet song song for last 10 years, even today still growing consistently while insas has been on yoyo curve and waiting for dividend coming for a long long time.

I wonder what the 5 year return on market cap and dividend yield has been?

Oh wait, short term thinkers only compare short term results.

In that case Insas wins hands down.


Posted by Sslee > Nov 7, 2019 2:21 PM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha
deMusangking, the feeling is real the dividend is coming.
As of 3iii. You can ask him what is the return on market cap and dividend yield of INSAS against QL.
JAKS so far dividend yield is still zero.


stockraider
13151 posts

Posted by stockraider > Nov 7, 2019 3:06 PM |

Post removed. Why?


Fabien "The Efficient Capital Allocater"
1227 posts

Posted by Fabien "The Efficient Capital Allocater" > Nov 7, 2019 3:43 PM | Report Abuse

Let’s get the expectations right. In investing for assets play, you MAY or MAY NOT enjoy the benefits of realization of its hidden value. The MAY NOT is the risk of value trap. On the other hand, in the MAY scenario (of which no one knows when), you will win big (because of the narrowing of huge discount between price and value), and that big win will provide a very good average return (despite of many years of no return). Hence, in employing investing strategy based on assets, to minimize your duration risk (since we do not know when the catalyst emerge or will it ever crystalize), it is better to have a diversified portfolio.


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 7, 2019 5:02 PM | Report Abuse

Dear Philip,
We are just making fun of each other in JAKS and INSAS forum nothing serious.
As of 3iii since he use so many matrix on Return hence I just try to point to him when we invest in share we bought the share at market price thus I ask him what is the return base on market cap?

Below are INSAS 5 year data:
30/6/2019 30/6/2018 30/6/2017 30/6/2016 30/6/2015
RM '000 RM '000 RM '000 RM '000 RM '000
Revenue: 212,014: 341,532: 347,829: 272,723: 406,802
PBT: 93,328: 100,873: 189,496: 88,090: 98,911
NP to SH: 81,831: 90,539: 181,010: 77,376: 91,129
Total Assets: 2,338,959: 2,221,200: 2,204,979: 1,899,602: 1,941,751
Equity: 1,739,358: 1,648,580: 1,554,157: 1,349,664: 1,265,770
Number of Shares: 663,007: 663,007: 663,007: 663,007: 663,007
Return on Total Assets (%): 3.5: 4.1: 8.2: 4.1: 4.7
Return on Equity (%): 4.7 5.5 11.6 5.7 7.2
NAPS (RM): 2.62: 2.49 : 2.34: 2.04: 1.91
EPS (SEN): 12.34: 13.66: 27.3: 11.67: 13.73
Dividend pershare (SEN): 2.0: 1.0: 1.0: 1.0: 1.0
Share Price (RM): 0.755: 0.875: 1.070: 0.645: 0.820
Market Cap: 500,570: 580,131: 709,417: 427,640: 543,666
Return on Mkt Cap (%): 16.35 : 15.61: 25.52: 18.09: 16.76
Dividend Yield (%): 2.65: 1.14: 0.93: 1.55: 1.22

Thank you


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 8, 2019 9:21 AM | Report Abuse

@stockraider
soon 2 insas can buy only 1 jaks!!

haha


leno
3688 posts

Posted by leno > Nov 8, 2019 10:56 AM | Report Abuse

kekekekek ... nice.


3iii
6822 posts

Posted by 3iii > Nov 8, 2019 11:15 AM | Report Abuse

>>>

Posted by Sslee > Nov 7, 2019 5:02 PM | Report Abuse

Dear Philip,
We are just making fun of each other in JAKS and INSAS forum nothing serious.
As of 3iii since he use so many matrix on Return hence I just try to point to him when we invest in share we bought the share at market price thus I ask him what is the return base on market cap?

>>>



If u grasped the reasoning, u will know the answer to the questions asked.

Why are some companies, like Nestle priced at above its book value?

Why are some companies, like Insas, priced below its book value?


It has to do with their return on equity and return on capital employrd.


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 8, 2019 11:17 AM | Report Abuse

Why are some companies, like Insas, priced below its book value?
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because musang says
past > present > future!!!!

haha


leno
3688 posts

Posted by leno > Nov 8, 2019 11:42 AM | Report Abuse

Why is leno make multiple millions ?
kekekekekek ... insider information ... shhhhhhhhHHHH ... cannot tell.
Tick tock .. tick tock ..tick tock ...


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 8, 2019 12:44 PM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha
3iiii, I don't mind paying 3X less than the equity with Return of equity 4.83%. Because this is equal to 3X4.83% a 14.5 % return on my paying cost.
Thank you


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 8, 2019 12:50 PM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha deMusangking
Already change how many of your wet panttees?


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 8, 2019 1:09 PM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha
Drangonslayer, the 15.74 million inari warrant is FOC given free during RI. Just sell the inari warrant and pocket the profit.


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 8, 2019 2:07 PM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha,
Dato' Sri Thong is busy selling his personal holding of Inari to build his cash holding. No time to take care of Insas. It is now up to Dato Wong whether he wants to take profit by selling some inari to report good Q profit.


leno
3688 posts

Posted by leno > Nov 8, 2019 3:30 PM | Report Abuse

kekekekekek ... got few c2peed dam dam dunno how to calculate return on investment ...but yet want to show off their c2peedity here ... KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAK ... sincere CONDOLONCES to all these LOSERs ... bad ppl will suffer bad karma ... INSAS CANTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKK !!!


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 10, 2019 7:44 PM | Report Abuse

Sslee
stockraider is praying hard in the temple!
so dun wolli! will hit 0.90 soon!!!!
so that u can wet wet song song!!!!

haha


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 11, 2019 9:05 AM | Report Abuse

insas red!
Sslee lagi red!!!!

haha


Sslee
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Posted by Sslee > Nov 11, 2019 9:48 AM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha,
deMusangking, I am green with envy that at your age you still able to wet wet song song and wetted so many panttees.
Me I am waiting for every cat will has its day and stockraider need to pray harder.


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 11, 2019 9:55 AM | Report Abuse

r u telling me u cant wet wet song song becos of ur age!!!?????

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


cheoky
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Posted by cheoky > Nov 11, 2019 10:39 PM | Report Abuse

my other stocks ran far too ahead, i need a stabilizer to put my feet on earth. insas is such Barcelona Javier Mascherano. not everyday got dragon soup to drink...kikiki


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 12, 2019 5:38 PM | Report Abuse

the trouble with Sslee is that he has a big skull structure!!!!!!
if he were to listen to me when asked him to buy jaks at 0.745 [ same price as insas], he would have wet wet song song long long ago!!! now he is dry dry sad sad!!!

haha


shpg22
2226 posts

Posted by shpg22 > Nov 12, 2019 6:48 PM | Report Abuse

The biggest red flag in INSAS is its ballooning receivable and lousy core business. This two is enough to put a drag on its share price.


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 12, 2019 7:10 PM | Report Abuse

even stockrAIDER HAS RUN AWAY!!!!!

HAHA


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 12, 2019 7:18 PM | Report Abuse

Dear shpg22,
The receivable are mostly loans give to VIP clients by ICL which generated interest income of RM36,679,000
Refer Page 9: As of 30 June 2019, ICL has outstanding loans portfolio of close to RM300 million which are fully collateralized and generating recurring interest income to the Group.
Page 149 revenue
Financial services and credit & leasing: RM’000
- Sale of financial assets at fair value through profit or loss: 3,506
- Interest income: 36,679
- Brokerage commissions: 11,204
- Secretarial, share registration and management services: 115
- Corporate finance advisory fee income: 8,359

Dear deMusangking,
Thank you for asking me to switch INSAS to JAKS when both are about 0.745 some months ago. I had some fund for trading but unfortunately this fund is currently tied-down with Bjland which I bought below 0.20 (Should have bought Armada). For INSAS I just what to know how Dato’ Sri Thong will play his card come 25th FEB 2020 and I have standby some plans on how to unlock INSAS value.

Wish you good luck in JAKS

Thank you


shpg22
2226 posts

Posted by shpg22 > Nov 12, 2019 8:22 PM | Report Abuse

Since the receivable are mostly loans given to VIP clients by ICL, any defaults may be significantly affecting its bottom line since the clients are quite concentrated. Also it may involved internal transaction as well if no transparency.


shpg22
2226 posts

Posted by shpg22 > Nov 12, 2019 8:58 PM | Report Abuse

Divesting the credit leasing business may be a way to unlock value. It should be standalone like AEONCR, RCECAP, ELKDESA for transparency.


Jarklp
105 posts

Posted by Jarklp > Nov 12, 2019 10:04 PM | Report Abuse

Insas should get rid of some of their small businesses. Those businesses (car renting) are training grounds for his children. THey have little value to the shareholders. Should merge with TA, they have many similar lines of businesses. Just my view.


deMusangking
4922 posts

Posted by deMusangking > Nov 14, 2019 9:58 AM | Report Abuse

Sslee,
thanks for the free starbucks though i missed free ahmoing here.
Have unloaded at 0.865 y'day and use the proceeds to buy Jaks at 10.17!
wont come here again unless buy again!!!!

again.... thanks!
haha


Sslee
1875 posts

Posted by Sslee > Nov 14, 2019 10:06 AM | Report Abuse

Hahahaha,
deMusangking thank you for your support. You are always welcome to drop in and say hello to old friends especially the white and black cat. They going to miss you.

Thank you


Fintec
68 posts

Posted by Fintec > Nov 15, 2019 2:40 PM | Report Abuse

Insas cantik? Why not Fintec 10X cantik?


paktua73
8597 posts

Posted by paktua73 > Nov 16, 2019 11:11 AM | Report Abuse

paktua best buddy too all old member judi..
so..
will play play fun fun at BTM..
will provided rm350k to play at BTM next week

let we judiiiiiii..
BTM will sampai 0.60
btm will be sumatec 2.0 before mampos
thee thee


tut tut
amaran judi autasing paling tipuuuuuu
kena pandai menipu baru bole judiiii..
theee theee


paperone
113 posts

Posted by paperone > Nov 16, 2019 12:53 PM | Report Abuse

Bottom 0.6? Or high 1.2?

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