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stockraider
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Posted by stockraider > Jul 2, 2014 2:03 PM | Report Abuse

DALI IS RAIDER'S X COLLEAGUE.....BUT RAIDER IS SURPRISE ....THAT DALI DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT PTRAS JAYA IS DOING IS CORRECT LOH....!!!
WHAT DALI'S APPROACH IS THE CONVENTIONAL FUND MANAGER THINKING....WHICH IS THE GENERAL MKT BELIEVE LOH....THAT GENERALLY COMPANY SHOULD NOT INVEST IN EQUITY LOH..THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE FOR WELL MANAGE COMPANY LIKE PTRAS JAYA LOH....!!

1) THE MANAGEMENT OF PTRAS JAYA...HAD CHOSEN TO INVEST IN EQUITY BCOS THEY UNDERSTAND....INFLATION & CURRENCY DEBASEMENT IMPACT.....THAT KEEPING ALOT OF CASH IN FIXED DEPOSITS IS DANGEROUS MAH....!!!

2) THEY CHOSEN 3 FUND MANAGER TO MANAGE BCOS THEY KNOW.....THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO MANAGE THE EQUITY FUND & THUS THEY RATHER LEAVE IT TO THE PROFESSIONAL LOH....!!

3) THE LONG RUN THE RETURN FROM EQUITY IS NORMALLY HIGHER THAN FIXED DEPOSITS LOH...!! FOR XAMPLE EPF CAN GIVE 6% PA COMPARE WITH FIXED DEPOSITS 3.5% PA....!! A BIG CHUNKED OF EPF GREAT RETURN CAME FROM EQUITY MAH....!!!

4) ONE UNIQUE THING IS PTRAS JAYA CHOSE TO MARK ALL THEIR EQUITY POSITION TO MKT....RESULTING WIDE EARNING FLUCTUATION LIKE ESSO INVENTORY LOH....!! FOR XAMPLE 30-9-2011 PTRAS LOSE ALOT OF MONIES BCOS OF EQUITY MARK TO MKT LOSSES BUT IN 31-12-2011 IT MAKE ALOT BCOS OF EQUITY LOH.....!!

5) ALTHOUGH PTRAS HAD ALOT OF MARKETABLE SECURITIES CLOSE TO RM 80M !!.....BUT MOST IMPORTANT TO THE VALUE IS PTRAS JAYA IS GENERATING POSITIVE OPERATING CASHFLOW AND IT IS GROWING STRONGLY LOH....!!!
THEREFORE A SAVVY INVESTOR LIKE RAIDER KNOW HOW TO VALUE IT LOH.....!!!

6) RAIDER SUGGEST U VALUE THE CORE BUSINESS BASED ON EARNING REPORTED & VALUE THE EQUITY BUSINESS BASED ON IMPUTED 4% PA LOH.....!!! THIS WAY U TAKEAWAY THE WILD EARNINGS FLUCTUATION DUE TO MARK TO MARKET GAIN OR LOSSES LOH....!!!

DO NOT MISS A FUNDAMENTAL STRONG COMPANY....JUST BCOS THEY DID THE RIGHT THING TO INVEST IN EQUITY ?
BTW.....THE OWNER HAD 50% OF PTRAS JAYA.....DO U THINK....THEY WILL LET THE FUND MANAGER TO SIMPLY MANAGE & EXPOSE THEMSELVES & MINORITY SHAREHOLDER ?
SURE THEY THINK IS RIGHT THING.....THEY ARE DOING......THATS WHY THE COMPANY MAKE VELI GOOD RETURN LOH....!!!

MKT DON UNDERSTAND....LET IT BE LOH.....BUT PANLAI INVESTOR LIKE RAIDER & GANG UNDERSTAND LOH.....!!!

FINALLY PLEASE TRUST A GOOD QUALITY MANAGEMENT MAH......!!!!


Stanley Yeo
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Posted by Stanley Yeo > Jul 2, 2014 5:29 PM | Report Abuse

很多马股价钱好高啊,不过,看这一支股票,本益比不到10倍,好像可以买叻
没有信心,因为只是刚开始学习对股票公司估值,不知道会不会准确。


Carson Teor
250 posts

Posted by Carson Teor > Jul 4, 2014 2:29 PM | Report Abuse

Stanley, yes buy in I just bought also, my cost is 4.32


danny1
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Posted by danny1 > Jul 4, 2014 10:12 PM | Report Abuse

kcchong!please review ur 2014 stockpick against others!


calvintaneng
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Posted by calvintaneng > Jul 4, 2014 10:18 PM | Report Abuse

O Danny 1

KCChongNz is the safest Stock Picker In i3 Forum. All Are Sound With Growth Potential Mah.

If you follow him you will be definitely rewarded if you have patience. You won't stray into land mines like Patimas. Transmile, SAAG or MaeMode.

If you want excitement go and follow Bonescythe. But buy early if you want to make some fast money.


kcchongnz
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Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 4, 2014 11:55 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by danny1 > Jun 10, 2014 01:46 PM | Report Abuse
did someone forgot all his holland stock......

Posted by danny1 > Jul 4, 2014 10:12 PM | Report Abuse
kcchong!please review ur 2014 stockpick against others!


These two postings are undoubtedly related. Someone wants to put me down, but he is not smart, he does it in this Pintaras thread.

Just recall about two years ago someone with funny name kept on accusing me of copy and paste, bullshit, pusing, cheat and all sorts of demeaning terms when i wrote about how good Pintaras as a company was when its price was about RM2+, before the one for one bonus.

Now even after the one for one bonus, Pintaras is at RM4.37, or RM8.74 before bonus. This is 300% to 400% up from just a couple of years ago. So he never has the chance to accusing me any more.

This danny chai is trying to do the same thing, trying to put me down. But why?

OK, if you want to review my stock picks against others, which I have no interest to do so, please go ahead and don't run away.

After my initial two portfolio, one earns 90% after 18 months from January 2013, and the other set up in August 2013, 50%+ after 10 months, i did write articles on a few more stocks which I thought are good companies. I don't remember exactly all of them, but below are some of them and the approximate prices then:

Prestaring: 2.50 before dividends and the one for one bonus
Kuchai: 1.20 Now 1.45
Perak Corp 3.69 now 3.61
Magni-tech: 2.63 now 3.20
Latitude: 2.57 now 3.03
MFCB 2.24 before dividend of 4.5 sen now 2.28
Padini 1.75 before dividends (5 sen?) now 1.97
Any others?

These are all mostly done in the last 6-8 months.

So danny chai, please review, be my guest. You should also compare with the broad market. Hope you know how to do it, or at least know what i mean.

danny chai, i bet you to review and tabulate here and compare with the market. May be more people will join my course.


AyamTua
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Posted by AyamTua > Jul 4, 2014 11:58 PM | Report Abuse

kcchongnz: dont worry boss, we are all here .. all of your strong believers!


up_up_up
616 posts

Posted by up_up_up > Jul 5, 2014 1:55 AM | Report Abuse

I consider KC as one of the most reliable and trusted blogger in i3 in term of fundamental stock pick, he research and share with forumer for free. I can only say thank you.


danny1
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Posted by danny1 > Jul 5, 2014 10:11 AM |

Post removed. Why?


kcchongnz
6528 posts

Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 5, 2014 10:39 AM | Report Abuse

No, I am not pissed off. I am delighted because I can boast around answering your questions.

First of all how did you selectively choose the 5 stocks? Cenbond was done long ago, more than a year? There are other stocks I have analyzed, written and shared in i3investors before. The table below summarized what stocks I have shared in i3 recently.

Stock Ref Price Dividend Price now Total return
Kuchai 1.20 0.00 1.45 20.8%
Prestariang 2.50 0.05 4.32 74.8%
Perak corp 2.69 0.085 2.61 0.2%
Magni 2.63 0.05 3.2 23.6%
Latitude 2.57 0.00 3.03 17.9%
MFCB 2.24 0.045 2.28 3.8%
Padini 1.75 0.03 1.97 14.3%
Pintaras 2.95 0.05 4.38 50.2%

Average Return xxxx xxxx xxxx 25.7%
KLSE 1829 xxxx 1885 3.1%


The total return of my portfolio is 25.7% in less than 8 months (?) compared to 3.1% of KLSE.

So I must compare with others and show you? Did I say I was competing with others? Tan KW may able to confirm this.

So I lose far behind the participants of the contest? How far behind? Can show us or not? By the way, do you know how to compute or not?

I really hope you can compute and show us. As I have no time for this. Do you know that I am so busy to teach others online finance and investment now? Don't you think I should spend my time for my students, rather than compute who is the winner of apa itu contest?


KinSoon Kok
227 posts

Posted by KinSoon Kok > Jul 5, 2014 3:18 PM | Report Abuse

I have very conservative background. Be honest n work hard. Never go for fast money. When someone told me tat he won a RangeRover from the stock market I would never believe it. After 'lepak' for almost a yr in stock market I found that with proper skills it's possible. If i knew KC earlier n bet 200k on PTRAS now i would have 700k. A RangeRover is within my reach. Learn from people who r better than u, danny1. Tat's the secret to success. Don't challenge them.


ccs999
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Posted by ccs999 > Jul 5, 2014 3:30 PM | Report Abuse

Totally 100% agreed with KinSoon Kok


KiaSu
109 posts

Posted by KiaSu > Jul 5, 2014 4:35 PM | Report Abuse

Me too.


KiaSu
109 posts

Posted by KiaSu > Jul 5, 2014 4:41 PM | Report Abuse

In RM3.11 now RM 4.35 + dividend. ha................


Intelligent Investor
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Posted by Intelligent Investor > Jul 5, 2014 7:08 PM | Report Abuse

Hi KinSoon, well say. But, please do not bet 200k on PTARAS if your total portfolio is 200k. We do not have crystal ball on hands and diversification is a good tools to reduce risk.


Intelligent Investor
377 posts

Posted by Intelligent Investor > Jul 5, 2014 7:08 PM | Report Abuse

Hi Danny, If you follow Mr. Chong but can't make money; and most of the peoples able to make money (and the statistic show you that the pick is making money too.). Please think before you flame.

You might want to be open minded and learn from Mr. Chong. This is definitely benefit you.

There is so many risks and it is not easy to make money in bursa. Be humble and learn.
http://intelligentinvestor8.blogspot.com/2014/06/five-habits-of-highly-successful_537.html


kingdomtan888
410 posts

Posted by kingdomtan888 > Jul 5, 2014 9:48 PM | Report Abuse

Kinsoon, well said.
By the way how long to keep in order to generate the 500k in ptras?
1 year 2 year or?


Icon8888
17753 posts

Posted by Icon8888 > Jul 7, 2014 10:39 AM | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/icon8888/55461.jsp

article comparing Econpile with Pintaras Jaya


chonghai
440 posts

Posted by chonghai > Jul 8, 2014 9:49 AM | Report Abuse

If my calculation is correct Pintaras Jaya will have EPS of 0.12 sen for 2014Q4 and EPS of 0.11 for 2015Q1.


leslieroycarter
5422 posts

Posted by leslieroycarter > Jul 10, 2014 12:43 PM | Report Abuse

support at 4.00.....


lcng123
754 posts

Posted by lcng123 > Jul 10, 2014 4:05 PM | Report Abuse

chonghai, what is your calculation to make pintaras eps of 12sen in 2014Q4 and 11sen for 2015Q1? hope you can share with us. and for leslieroycarter, do you have any supportive info to share with us that make you to say pintaras will support at 4.00 ?


Elvin Beh Chun Yen
169 posts

Posted by Elvin Beh Chun Yen > Jul 14, 2014 3:20 PM | Report Abuse

this stock need some bonus issue/share split :)


up_up_up
616 posts

Posted by up_up_up > Jul 14, 2014 5:07 PM | Report Abuse

Just receive my dividends, I see the volume start to increase silently, something might be brewing. ;-)


maps
147 posts

Posted by maps > Jul 17, 2014 4:33 PM | Report Abuse

wow what happened, drop so much !!


JXRepcoBuffet
399 posts

Posted by JXRepcoBuffet > Jul 18, 2014 11:28 AM | Report Abuse

look at the volume... some one purposely sold lower price at low volume.... collect more


maps
147 posts

Posted by maps > Jul 18, 2014 1:09 PM | Report Abuse

Yes he tried buying a big volume at 4.10


wongkok
52 posts

Posted by wongkok > Jul 18, 2014 3:52 PM | Report Abuse

Chart don't lied. Two days dropped 13 cents. Something wrong here.


WXGWXW
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Posted by WXGWXW > Jul 20, 2014 3:08 PM | Report Abuse

Econpile uptrend, Ptaras to follow suit ?


maps
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Posted by maps > Jul 20, 2014 9:50 PM | Report Abuse

Ptaras has not moved in the last 2 months. Hope it starts moving again this week


ccs999
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Posted by ccs999 > Jul 22, 2014 11:51 AM | Report Abuse

wondering the selling pressure


wongkok
52 posts

Posted by wongkok > Jul 22, 2014 1:29 PM | Report Abuse

Getting lower by the day.


maps
147 posts

Posted by maps > Jul 22, 2014 1:50 PM | Report Abuse

any problems?? price has come down by 19 sens over the 1 week.


ccs999
629 posts

Posted by ccs999 > Jul 22, 2014 6:00 PM | Report Abuse

Hi Mr KC Chong, can you please explain more about the link? Thank you.
DEALINGS IN LISTED SECURITIES (CHAPTER 14 OF LISTING REQUIREMENTS):INTENTION TO DEAL DURING CLOSED PERIOD
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/1691061


kcchongnz
6528 posts

Posted by kcchongnz > Jul 22, 2014 11:32 PM | Report Abuse

The close period, or the time period between the completion of a listed company's financial results and the announcing of these results to the public, normally one month, is intended to prevent trading in a company's shares by its insiders ahead of the public dissemination of its financial results.

So if the insiders, such as the directors, intend to trade in that close period, he has to inform Bursa and the public of their intention.

This is what I think.


up_up_up
616 posts

Posted by up_up_up > Jul 22, 2014 11:39 PM | Report Abuse

Director and CEO going to dispose in open market? Not much detail in the announcement.


Elvin Beh Chun Yen
169 posts

Posted by Elvin Beh Chun Yen > Jul 23, 2014 5:58 PM | Report Abuse

I've unloaded all mine. Somehow, I felt that it's way past its intrinsic value right now (having said that, i did not collate the amount of contracts they received this financial year to make my computation, hence i might be slightly off). but this counter is definitely in my watchlist as it really fulfills alot of warren buffett tenets....except that its in a cyclical industry.


maps
147 posts

Posted by maps > Jul 24, 2014 9:59 AM | Report Abuse

I feel that there will be a strong rebound soon. This is a strong counter, It is just going through a consolidation process now


up_up_up
616 posts

Posted by up_up_up > Jul 24, 2014 11:13 AM | Report Abuse

Published right on time or just a coincidence? Someone is disposing and expect more people to buy? ;)
http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/ptres/24232.jsp


oopstikus
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Posted by oopstikus > Jul 24, 2014 11:14 AM | Report Abuse

The timing is really just nice huh... XD


Lah Pak
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Posted by Lah Pak > Jul 24, 2014 2:39 PM | Report Abuse

Hi KC & ccs999,

Please find below what I understand about “INTENTION TO DEAL DURING CLOSED PERIOD”.

1. The announcement of “INTENTION TO DEAL DURING CLOSED PERIOD” is only made upon request by the buyers who are normally the directors of the company.

2. This announcement contains basic information such as the buyers’ names & their present holding. In this case, the buyers are Dr. Chiu Hong Keong, Khoo Yok Kee & Chiu Wei Wen and their respective holdings are revealed.

3. This announcement is to inform the present shareholders (retailers, local & foreign institutions) that the said directors are keen to purchase the shares they do not own not via open market. Shareholders who intend to dispose of their holdings via this approach shall notify the buyers (in this case the directors) of the number of shares and the offered prices. The concept of willing buyer-willing seller is applied. Note: The directors may receive offers with varying prices. The prices the directors pay for each dealing could differ from one to another, largely dependent on price action at the date the offer is made.

4. If there is a deal, two(2) separate subsequent announcements would be made in the Bursa, i.e. (i) The announcement of “DEALINGS IN LISTED SECURITIES (CHAPTER 14 OF LISTING REQUIREMENTS):DEALINGS OUTSIDE CLOSED PERIOD”; and (ii) The announcement of “CHANGES IN DIRECTOR’S INTEREST”. The former would disseminate the information of the dealings, i.e. the number of shares purchased and the agreed purchased price. The latter would show changes in the director’s holding post-closed dealing.

5. The primary purpose of this “Dealing during Closed Period” is to minimise the price action during the trading hours (in the open market). Another advantage is that both parties do not require to pay the brokerage fees.

6. The announcement of “INTENTION TO DEAL DURING CLOSED PERIOD” can appear several times if the directors have still not received any offers or they intend to purchase more via this method, e.g. Unisem.

7. Normally, the announcement of “INTENTION TO DEAL DURING CLOSED PERIOD” will only be made when the directors perceive the stocks as undervalued and intend to buy more from the existing shareholders. Prices are normally uptrending after such announcement, e.g. Unisem, Notion & Digistar.

8. Hope the above helps. Happy trading!


SS661M
1016 posts

Posted by SS661M > Jul 24, 2014 6:34 PM | Report Abuse

How do u know they bought instead of sold? It is not stated in the announcement.


up_up_up
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Posted by up_up_up > Jul 24, 2014 6:41 PM | Report Abuse

They can either buy or disposing, I think there's some mistake in Pak Lah statement.


Lah Pak
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Posted by Lah Pak > Jul 25, 2014 6:18 AM | Report Abuse

up_up_up, thank you for pointing out the mistakes. Yes, the directors (affected persons) who notify the Exchange of their “INTENTION TO DEAL DURING CLOSED PERIOD” not necessarily intend to buy more shares. It can be cases where the affected persons intended to dispose of part of his holdings too, e.g. Notion & YFG.

Such announcement does not indicate a buy or a sell by the affected persons. A buy or a sell can only be confirmed in the subsequent announcements of “DEALINGS IN LISTED SECURITIES (CHAPTER 14 OF LISTING REQUIREMENTS):DEALINGS OUTSIDE CLOSED PERIOD” and “CHANGES IN DIRECTOR’S INTEREST”. Of course, if you want to have a quick answer, you can always check with the company Investor Relation Department.


Funtrade
596 posts

Posted by Funtrade > Aug 4, 2014 9:43 PM | Report Abuse

itu econpile tiap2 hari announce ada new contracts apasal ini pintaras senyap saja ??


maps
147 posts

Posted by maps > Aug 8, 2014 10:02 PM | Report Abuse

Strange all other shares come down a lot but PTARAS go up against the trend. Hope some good news coming


jpe15475
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Posted by jpe15475 > Aug 9, 2014 12:16 PM | Report Abuse

Let us wait monday


shahrin
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Posted by shahrin > Aug 12, 2014 7:12 AM | Report Abuse

Dear all experts. The quarter financial report already round the corner, any chance of profit growth ?


coolio
453 posts

Posted by coolio > Aug 12, 2014 9:36 AM | Report Abuse

:)


Firebird2
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Posted by Firebird2 > Aug 12, 2014 9:47 AM | Report Abuse

Pintaras have been getting lots of high profile jobs lately, we can expect that the Q report should be good as their margins are reasonably good. It has so far not moved much, but its a matter of time. As their shares issued are only 160m, much less than CBIP, I am waiting for it to declare a bonus issue. LOL


ruben88
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Posted by ruben88 > Aug 12, 2014 1:10 PM | Report Abuse

Ya bonus issue will be great. Price moving up already

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