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KLSE: RCECAP (9296)       RCE CAPITAL BHD MAIN : Finance
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Date Type No. of Shares Price Direct (%) Indirect (%) Total (%)
29-Sep-2016 ENCIK SHAHMAN BIN AZMAN 28-Sep-2016 Disposed 37,500 48,375.440 0.09 0.00 0.09 View Detail
28-Apr-2016 TAN SRI MOHD ZAMAN KHAN @ HASSAN BIN RAHIM KHAN 25-Apr-2016 Others 93,750 0.000 0.02 0.03 0.05 View Detail
28-Apr-2016 TAN SRI MOHD ZAMAN KHAN @ HASSAN BIN RAHIM KHAN 25-Apr-2016 Others 75,000 0.000 0.02 0.03 0.05 View Detail
28-Apr-2016 ENCIK SHAHMAN BIN AZMAN 25-Apr-2016 Others 337,500 0.000 0.10 0.00 0.10 View Detail
28-Apr-2016 PUAN SHALINA BINTI AZMAN 25-Apr-2016 Others 450,000 0.000 0.14 0.00 0.14 View Detail
29-Feb-2016 TAN SRI MOHD ZAMAN KHAN @ HASSAN BIN RAHIM KHAN 25-Feb-2016 Acquired 375,000 0.000 0.02 0.03 0.05 View Detail
29-Dec-2015 PUAN SHALINA BINTI AZMAN 29-Dec-2015 Acquired 1,800,000 0.000 0.14 0.00 0.14 View Detail
27-Nov-2015 TAN SRI MOHD ZAMAN KHAN @ HASSAN BIN RAHIM KHAN 27-Nov-2015 Acquired 300,000 0.000 0.02 0.00 0.02 View Detail
27-Nov-2015 ENCIK SHAHMAN BIN AZMAN 27-Nov-2015 Acquired 1,350,000 0.000 0.10 0.00 0.10 View Detail
24-Mar-2015 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 20-Mar-2015 Acquired 55,151,991 0.000 0.00 56.57 56.57 View Detail
15-Dec-2014 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 15-Dec-2014 Others 160,000,000 0.000 0.00 52.06 52.06 View Detail
02-Nov-2012 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 31-Oct-2012 Others 169,713,584 0.000 0.00 43.38 43.38 View Detail
11-Jul-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 07-Jul-2011 Acquired 4,000,000 0.000 0.00 43.38 43.38 View Detail
07-Jul-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 04-Jul-2011 Acquired 3,800,000 0.000 0.00 42.87 42.87 View Detail
04-Jul-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 29-Jun-2011 Acquired 1,050,000 0.000 0.00 42.39 42.39 View Detail
29-Jun-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 24-Jun-2011 Acquired 850,000 0.000 0.00 42.25 42.25 View Detail
24-Jun-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 21-Jun-2011 Acquired 1,450,000 0.000 0.00 42.14 42.14 View Detail
21-Jun-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 16-Jun-2011 Acquired 1,550,000 0.000 0.00 41.96 41.96 View Detail
16-Jun-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 13-Jun-2011 Acquired 2,800,000 0.000 0.00 41.76 41.76 View Detail
07-Apr-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 31-Mar-2011 Transferred 147,442,834 0.000 0.00 41.40 41.40 View Detail
04-Apr-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 01-Apr-2011 Acquired 200,000 0.000 0.65 0.35 1.00 View Detail
04-Apr-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 31-Mar-2011 Acquired 360,200 0.000 0.65 0.35 1.00 View Detail
01-Apr-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 30-Mar-2011 Acquired 318,000 0.000 0.65 0.28 0.93 View Detail
21-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 17-Mar-2011 Acquired 380,000 0.000 0.65 0.24 0.89 View Detail
15-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 15-Mar-2011 Acquired 250,000 0.000 0.65 0.19 0.84 View Detail
15-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 14-Mar-2011 Acquired 250,000 0.000 0.65 0.19 0.84 View Detail
14-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 11-Mar-2011 Acquired 500,000 0.000 0.59 0.19 0.78 View Detail
10-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 09-Mar-2011 Acquired 200,000 0.000 0.59 0.13 0.72 View Detail
04-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 25-Feb-2011 Acquired 800,000 0.000 0.54 0.13 0.67 View Detail
03-Mar-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 02-Mar-2011 Acquired 200,000 0.000 0.56 0.13 0.69 View Detail
25-Feb-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 24-Feb-2011 Acquired 700,000 0.000 0.44 0.13 0.57 View Detail
25-Feb-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 23-Feb-2011 Acquired 300,000 0.000 0.44 0.13 0.57 View Detail
24-Feb-2011 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 31-Jan-2011 Transferred 15,000,000 0.000 0.00 41.40 41.40 View Detail
23-Feb-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 22-Feb-2011 Acquired 450,000 0.000 0.44 0.00 0.44 View Detail
05-Jan-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 08-Dec-2010 Acquired 200,000 0.000 0.38 0.00 0.38 View Detail
05-Jan-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 06-Dec-2010 Acquired 420,000 0.000 0.38 0.00 0.38 View Detail
05-Jan-2011 CHEW KENG YONG 03-Dec-2010 Acquired 380,000 0.000 0.38 0.00 0.38 View Detail
07-Oct-2010 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 30-Sep-2010 Transferred 147,442,835 0.000 0.00 41.40 41.40 View Detail
23-Sep-2010 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 08-Sep-2010 Transferred 147,442,835 0.000 0.00 41.40 41.40 View Detail
23-Apr-2010 CHEW KENG YONG 22-Apr-2010 Others 200,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
21-Apr-2010 DATO’ CHE MD NAWAWI BIN ISMAIL 19-Apr-2010 Others 200,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
21-Apr-2010 MAJOR GENERAL (RTD) DATO’ HAJI FAUZI BIN HUSSAIN 19-Apr-2010 Others 200,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
21-Apr-2010 DATUK MOHD ZAMAN KHAN @ HASSAN BIN RAHIM KHAN 19-Apr-2010 Others 200,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
19-Apr-2010 SHAHMAN AZMAN 16-Apr-2010 Others 900,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
19-Apr-2010 SOO KIM WAI 16-Apr-2010 Others 1,500,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
19-Apr-2010 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 16-Apr-2010 Others 2,000,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
19-Apr-2010 SHALINA AZMAN 16-Apr-2010 Others 1,200,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
23-Mar-2010 TAN SRI AZMAN HASHIM 12-Mar-2010 Acquired 13,500,000 0.000 0.00 41.42 41.42 View Detail
30-Oct-2009 CHEW KENG YONG 07-Oct-2009 Acquired 50,000 0.000 0.25 0.00 0.25 View Detail
30-Oct-2009 CHEW KENG YONG 05-Oct-2009 Acquired 150,000 0.000 0.25 0.00 0.25 View Detail
30-Oct-2009 CHEW KENG YONG 02-Oct-2009 Acquired 300,000 0.000 0.25 0.00 0.25 View Detail
30-Oct-2009 CHEW KENG YONG 01-Oct-2009 Acquired 300,000 0.000 0.25 0.00 0.25 View Detail
30-Oct-2009 CHEW KENG YONG 30-Sep-2009 Acquired 200,000 0.000 0.25 0.00 0.25 View Detail
20-Aug-2009 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 12-Aug-2009 Acquired 15,541,500 0.000 0.00 39.69 39.69 View Detail
19-Feb-2009 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 03-Feb-2009 Transferred 294,885,669 0.000 0.00 41.48 41.48 View Detail
12-Nov-2008 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 03-Nov-2008 Acquired 14,108,500 0.000 0.00 41.48 41.48 View Detail
22-Sep-2008 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 22-Aug-2008 Transferred 232,092,906 0.000 0.00 39.49 39.49 View Detail
30-Jan-2008 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 17-Jan-2008 Acquired 3,000,000 0.000 0.00 43.44 43.44 View Detail
30-Jan-2008 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 16-Jan-2008 Acquired 9,817,596 0.000 0.00 43.44 43.44 View Detail
03-Oct-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 25-Sep-2007 Disposed 200,000 0.000 0.15 0.00 0.15 View Detail
03-Oct-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 24-Sep-2007 Disposed 90,000 0.000 0.15 0.00 0.15 View Detail
03-Oct-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 21-Sep-2007 Disposed 58,000 0.000 0.15 0.00 0.15 View Detail
24-Sep-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 20-Sep-2007 Disposed 4,700 0.000 0.20 0.00 0.20 View Detail
24-Sep-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 19-Sep-2007 Disposed 120,000 0.000 0.20 0.00 0.20 View Detail
24-Sep-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 18-Sep-2007 Disposed 240,000 0.000 0.20 0.00 0.20 View Detail
29-Mar-2007 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 19-Mar-2007 Acquired 12,800,000 0.000 0.00 41.46 41.46 View Detail
20-Mar-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 15-Mar-2007 Acquired 1,333,300 0.000 0.26 0.00 0.26 View Detail
20-Mar-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 13-Mar-2007 Acquired 200,000 0.000 0.26 0.00 0.26 View Detail
20-Mar-2007 CHEW KENG YONG 07-Mar-2007 Acquired 100,000 0.000 0.26 0.00 0.26 View Detail
21-Sep-2006 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 12-Sep-2006 Acquired 12,400,000 0.000 0.00 40.81 40.81 View Detail
30-Aug-2006 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 18-Aug-2006 Acquired 60,689,893 0.000 0.00 38.83 38.83 View Detail
24-Aug-2006 CHEW KENG YONG 18-Aug-2006 Acquired 10,750 0.000 0.01 0.00 0.01 View Detail
03-Mar-2006 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 24-Feb-2006 Acquired 8,000,000 0.000 0.00 45.35 45.35 View Detail
25-Aug-2005 TAN SRI DATO' AZMAN HASHIM 15-Aug-2005 Acquired 8,000,000 0.000 0.00 43.35 43.35 View Detail
19-Jan-2004 AZMI HASHIM 21-Nov-2003 Acquired 17 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
16-Jan-2004 WONG BIN CHEN 21-Nov-2003 Acquired 1,150 0.000 0.01 0.00 0.01 View Detail
15-Jan-2004 CHEW KENG YONG 21-Nov-2003 Acquired 1,725 0.000 0.01 0.00 0.01 View Detail
17-Jul-2002 CHEW KENG YONG 11-Jul-2002 Disposed 212,000 2.900 0.02 0.00 0.02 View Detail
17-Apr-2001 CHEW KENG YONG 17-Apr-2001 Acquired 216,000 0.000 1.15 0.00 1.15 View Detail
21-Dec-2000 WONG BIN CHEN 02-Nov-1998 Acquired 878,000 0.000 0.01 4.70 4.71 View Detail
21-Dec-2000 WONG BIN CHEN 02-Nov-1998 Acquired 1,000 0.000 0.01 4.70 4.71 View Detail
17-Feb-2000 AZMI HASHIM 19-Feb-2000 Disposed 10,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
17-Feb-2000 AZMI HASHIM 10-Feb-2000 Disposed 15,000 0.000 0.00 0.00 0.00 View Detail
28-Jan-2000 AZMI HASHIM 19-Jan-2000 Disposed 6,000 2.800 0.00 0.13 0.13 View Detail
28-Jan-2000 AZMI HASHIM 18-Jan-2000 Disposed 5,000 2.750 0.00 0.13 0.13 View Detail
28-Jan-2000 AZMI HASHIM 17-Jan-2000 Disposed 12,000 2.750 0.00 0.13 0.13 View Detail
28-Jan-2000 AZMI HASHIM 13-Jan-2000 Disposed 9,000 2.750 0.00 0.13 0.13 View Detail
28-Jan-2000 AZMI HASHIM 13-Jan-2000 Disposed 2,000 2.700 0.00 0.13 0.13 View Detail
22-Nov-1999 AZMI HASHIM 16-Nov-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.880 0.00 0.32 0.32 View Detail
22-Nov-1999 AZMI HASHIM 03-Nov-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.900 0.00 0.32 0.32 View Detail
22-Nov-1999 AZMI HASHIM 07-Oct-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.840 0.00 0.32 0.32 View Detail
04-Nov-1999 AZMI HASHIM 13-Oct-1999 Acquired 4,000 1.830 0.00 0.30 0.30 View Detail
04-Nov-1999 AZMI HASHIM 06-Oct-1999 Acquired 2,000 1.850 0.00 0.30 0.30 View Detail
04-Nov-1999 AZMI HASHIM 06-Oct-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.830 0.00 0.30 0.30 View Detail
08-Oct-1999 AZMI HASHIM 28-Sep-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.820 0.00 0.25 0.25 View Detail
08-Oct-1999 AZMI HASHIM 27-Sep-1999 Acquired 2,000 1.850 0.00 0.25 0.25 View Detail
08-Oct-1999 AZMI HASHIM 23-Sep-1999 Acquired 2,000 1.900 0.00 0.25 0.25 View Detail
04-Oct-1999 AZMI HASHIM 10-Sep-1999 Acquired 4,000 1.850 0.00 0.23 0.23 View Detail
08-Sep-1999 AZMI HASHIM 03-Sep-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.850 0.00 0.20 0.20 View Detail
08-Sep-1999 AZMI HASHIM 01-Sep-1999 Acquired 5,000 1.780 0.00 0.20 0.20 View Detail
08-Sep-1999 AZMI HASHIM 30-Aug-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.800 0.00 0.20 0.20 View Detail
08-Sep-1999 AZMI HASHIM 26-Aug-1999 Acquired 10,000 1.780 0.00 0.20 0.20 View Detail
08-Sep-1999 AZMI HASHIM 23-Aug-1999 Acquired 3,000 1.710 0.00 0.20 0.20 View Detail
08-Sep-1999 AZMI HASHIM 20-Aug-1999 Acquired 2,000 1.730 0.00 0.20 0.20 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 12-Aug-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.700 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 11-Aug-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.700 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 10-Aug-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.700 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 09-Aug-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.700 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 09-Aug-1999 Acquired 1,000 1.650 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 03-Aug-1999 Acquired 3,000 1.600 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 03-Aug-1999 Acquired 2,000 1.700 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
24-Aug-1999 AZMI HASHIM 02-Aug-1999 Acquired 2,000 1.800 0.00 0.09 0.09 View Detail
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Moolala Thanks for the input observatory, I have always found your analysis detailed and useful. Lets hope for the best for rce!
19/02/2021 5:42 PM
kywoo Mr. Observatory. As a shareholder myself, I would like to thank you for putting so much effort in doing research on the company. I would say that for most part, you are right in your research facts. However you may be wrong in 3 arears which I would like to highlight to all the readers.

(1) There is no way Bank Raayat or any bank can give out a clean loan of up to 10 years at an effective rate of 4.99% per annum as you have pointed out. At that rate, the bank will certainly lose money as cost of fund is volatile over a 10 years period. Don't forget that the actual cost of fund plus overhead cost and provisions will be much higher than 4.99%. Just like Hire Purchase financing, there is an add on rate and an effective rate depending on the period of financing. Effective interest of 12% p.a. over 5 years or more is very reasonable. Nowadays it is not easy to get a clean loan anywhere.

(2) You wrongly assume that when a borrower settle a loan with RCECap they will go to another bank for refinancing. In fact almost all of them will just get a bigger loan after they settle the smaller outstanding balance with the company. This is where the company makes some extra money from the early repayment. A very good deal for both parties.

(3) You have said that RCECap has enjoyed a PE of 6.5 in the past years and you are quite happy with that. I totally disagree with you. A fantastic company like RCECap should deserve a PE of no less than 10. The average PE of all counters in Bursa is 15. Some counters are rated with PEs of 30 or 50 or even 100. Even Aeon Credit can command a PE ranging from 12 to 15. In all honesty it would be sheer madness to rate Aeon at 15 and RCECap at 6.5 The market can be irrational in the short run but will be rational in the long run. RCECap is going up in price lately because the market is revaluating it according its fundamentals and future performance. As far as I am concerned I will keep on accumulating this counter ( subject to cash availability ) as long as the PE is below 9 or 10 and I am sure I am on the right track to make good money.
19/02/2021 6:17 PM
Learner King @kywoo Thank for pointed it out to Mr. Observatory, especially point number 3! Haha your english is better than i.


kywoo Mr. Observatory. As a shareholder myself, I would like to thank you for putting so much effort in doing research on the company. I would say that for most part, you are right in your research facts. However you may be wrong in 3 arears which I would like to highlight to all the readers.

(1) There is no way Bank Raayat or any bank can give out a clean loan of up to 10 years at an effective rate of 4.99% per annum as you have pointed out. At that rate, the bank will certainly lose money as cost of fund is volatile over a 10 years period. Don't forget that the actual cost of fund plus overhead cost and provisions will be much higher than 4.99%. Just like Hire Purchase financing, there is an add on rate and an effective rate depending on the period of financing. Effective interest of 12% p.a. over 5 years or more is very reasonable. Nowadays it is not easy to get a clean loan anywhere.

(2) You wrongly assume that when a borrower settle a loan with RCECap they will go to another bank for refinancing. In fact almost all of them will just get a bigger loan after they settle the smaller outstanding balance with the company. This is where the company makes some extra money from the early repayment. A very good deal for both parties.

(3) You have said that RCECap has enjoyed a PE of 6.5 in the past years and you are quite happy with that. I totally disagree with you. A fantastic company like RCECap should deserve a PE of no less than 10. The average PE of all counters in Bursa is 15. Some counters are rated with PEs of 30 or 50 or even 100. Even Aeon Credit can command a PE ranging from 12 to 15. In all honesty it would be sheer madness to rate Aeon at 15 and RCECap at 6.5 The market can be irrational in the short run but will be rational in the long run. RCECap is going up in price lately because the market is revaluating it according its fundamentals and future performance. As far as I am concerned I will keep on accumulating this counter ( subject to cash availability ) as long as the PE is below 9 or 10 and I am sure I am on the right track to make good money.
19/02/2021 6:17 PM
19/02/2021 7:22 PM
Foker Learner King, Aeoncr real PE is much lower at around 8. Don't do gung-ho yet.
19/02/2021 7:52 PM
Foker If you take out the impairments, and after the MFRS normalisation, Aeoncr real PE is probably around 7. So after the economy fully recovers Rcecap and Aeoncr will have similar PE. But everyone knows Aeoncr is the better of the two la
19/02/2021 7:53 PM
Foker Congrats to those who bought Rcecap when it was lower around RM 1.90. But using Aeoncr as a reference is not accurate
19/02/2021 7:54 PM
Learner King @Foker Using Aeoncr as a reference is kywoo not me, but i agreed with him laa. I dont know know how u calculate can get so called real PE is around 7 only, and i disagreed that u said Aeoncr is better than Rcecap.
19/02/2021 8:22 PM
Foker Hahaha, 5 years later we talk
19/02/2021 8:26 PM
Foker I will be there to laugh at u
19/02/2021 8:26 PM
Foker Observatory sifu will agree with me
19/02/2021 8:27 PM
Learner King @Foker Ok from the way u talk i know im wasting my time talking to you. Bye
19/02/2021 10:32 PM
kywoo I used to own some Nestle, Hong Leong Industry and Maybank shares. I have sold all my Nestle shares and made a small fortune from it. I have also sold my Maybank shares but made a loss from it. Maybank was really a big disappointment to me especially when they skipped dividend payment and reported lower profits. Now I am holding mainly 3 counters ie Allianz, RCECap and Hong Leong Industries. I am allocating about 30% of my resources to each of the counter as I happen to like them equally. As Warren Buffet said, holding 3 or 4 counters at any point of time is a better investment strategy than owning a lot of counters. If one has say 20 or 30 counters one would not be able to monitor their performance and hence lose control of one's concentration.
20/02/2021 12:41 AM
observatory Mr kywoo, thanks for sharing your investment decision. Not sure why my earlier comment disappeared. I deleted and reposted after correcting typos. I just found the reposted message missing.

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Mr. Kywoo! It’s nice to see you joining. You’re a very knowledgeable and focused investor. It’s a real pleasure to have you sharing your opinion and pointing out where I went wrong. If you don’t mind I'd like to take this opportunity to dwell into those points further details just to clear some doubts.

On point 1, yes I’ve overlooked it. It makes more sense now. Using Loanstreet flat to effective rate calculator, a 4.99% fixed rate over a 10-year tenure works out to have an effective rate of 8.67%.

4.99% fixed rate demands taking a takaful. Without takaful, it is 5.85%, equivalent to an effective rate of 9.99%.

The only fee mentioned is a stamp duty of 0.5% of total financing. The product disclosure sheet states that no collateral is required although a guarantor is needed.
https://www.bankrakyat.com.my/c/personal/financing_i/personal_financin...

So if the above calculation is correct, the effective rate is slightly under 10%. But not reaching 12% as in your experience. It’s still lower than 13% to 14% by RCE that I read somewhere. But that was quite a while back and RCE might have adjusted its rate down too as borrowing cost reduces.

Back to the question that prompts me to raise this example in the first place. Are Bank Rakyat, Bank Islam, BSN etc have the means and incentives to lower pricing and/or lending standards among public sector employees? How could RCE defend its profitability and market share, although it certainly helps that RCE has good management and pride itself for speedy loan approval.

On Point 3, you’ve misquoted me when you wrote “You have said that RCECap has enjoyed a PE of 6.5 in the past years and you are quite happy with that”.

What I wrote was “the past 5 year average PE was only 6.5X”. From the chart I saw, the forward PE over the last 5 years went as high as 9 to 10 times and as low as below 5. The average forward PE is 6.5X. (Median forward PE would tell a better story but I don’t have the data).

As I’ve commented back on Jan 1 and again today, I deemed current forward PE that is close to 9X as fair. Fair means I’m happy to hold, but not topping up or selling. If for no fundamental reason the share price is back to around 6.5X forward PE (which is RM0.33 * 6.5 = RM2.14), I personally will feel it’s undervalued and will top up.

So our difference is at 9X to 10X is undervalued for you and fair for me. But that is our personal opinions. The market price considers factors besides what retail value investors think, such as liquidity. Yes, the market could be “wrong” in the last 5 years. By 2026 we shall see in the new PE chart of the preceding 5 years whether the average PE gets “corrected”.

This brings me to a very practical question. Mr. Kywoo, not sure if you still remember that we’ve once discussed Allianz and HLIND, the two other companies that you’ve viewed as grossly undervalued. I also happen to like both companies, except HLIND management due to its cash hoarding.

Comparing these three companies as of today:
HLIND: share price RM8.15, TTM PE 17X (was 10X pre-Covid), ROE 9% (was 20% pre-Covid), dividend yield 5.2% (42 cents), net cash RM4.27 per share.
Allianz PA: share price RM13.90, TTM PE 9X (after dilution), PB 1.1X (after dilution), ROE 13%, dividend yield 5.0% (69.6 cents)
RCE Capital: share price RM2.78, TTM PE 9X, PB 1.4X, ROE 16%, dividend yield 4.3% (12 cents)

Assuming you have not held these stocks earlier, given a sum of capital, how many percent would you allocate into each of them?

This is a sincere question. I asked because eventually, stock investment is not carried out in isolation without relative comparison. Besides we both like these three companies. The allocation decision will reflect relative preferences.
20/02/2021 1:19 AM
observatory Mr kywoo, thanks for sharing. I see you are very confident with a concentrated portfolio as you’ve studied each one in depth. As I hold more stocks, I experience the challenge you mentioned.

Like you Nestle used to be my favorite holding, and I was reluctant to part even as valuation became very expensive. But I completely sold it in March to switch to many other bargains and never look back since.

Let me also put forward my 2 cents on how I would allocate between HLIND, Allianz and RCE if they are the only choices. If I start from a clean slate today, I will probably be 1/2 Allianz, 1/3 HLIND and 1/6 RCE.

Putting valuation aside, I have more confidence for Allianz to maintain good governance and capital discipline over the long term as this will be demanded by its parent. Today HLIND will be a recovery play for me. The net cash is also a potential positive wild card. As for RCE, even though I believe its valuation is only fair at the current level, my approach is usually to take a foothold when I come across a good company and observe it over time. Besides Buffett once advised buying good companies at fair prices.

Of course, this is just hypothetical. As I’ve started with them much earlier, I also own them in roughly equal proportion, besides a range of other stocks.
20/02/2021 1:38 AM
Xxxting any advice for buying in tp ?i wanna buy in this counter but it might to high right now
20/02/2021 3:08 AM
observatory Guys, check out The Edge today. Just as we debated the merits of RCE, their weekly edition published an article "RCE Capital shines in adversity".
20/02/2021 6:49 PM
donald770 Overall still room for going north. Recent issue esos is a. plus point.
22/02/2021 6:50 AM
Dragon88 good fundamental but price not moving much .....
12/04/2021 3:11 PM
Learner King its normal for this counter, it only will move when close to Quarter Report time
13/04/2021 5:18 PM
sheldon Too many ESOS diluting the earnings and stunting the share price.
20/04/2021 9:19 AM
up2_sky may i know QR out by when?
18/05/2021 9:53 AM
Goh123 Dividend 7cen
25/05/2021 5:45 PM
Goh123 Gogo rcecap
25/05/2021 5:46 PM
ooihk899 Q4 result good mah. That's why dividend increase loh.
25/05/2021 5:51 PM
Goh123 Rm3.00
25/05/2021 6:31 PM
Moolala solid
25/05/2021 6:47 PM
nextan Thursday 3.00 coming lioa
25/05/2021 7:40 PM
Moolala 7c in july + 7c in Nov = 14c dividend this year
26/05/2021 9:16 AM
nextan Very good company, longterm tp 5.00
26/05/2021 9:59 AM
kywoo There is hardly any counter in Bursa that can show a steady and consistent growth in net profits and dividend in the past 6 years despite economic uncertainty. Before 2015, RCECap had some rough times and the dividends then were miserable. However, after some restructuring and change in management strategy since 2015, the company never look back but continue to grow from strength to strength. Even very good companies like Nestle, Maybank, F & N and Hong Leong Industries etc suffered downturn in profitability in 2020 because of the covid pandemic. However, RCECap was hardly affected but continued to strengthen.

The average PE of Bursa's counters is around 15. Some counters are in fact trading at PE of over 50. I really cant understand why the company's PE has always been under 8 or 7. This fantastic company should be given a PE of around 10 at least. One would only give a PE of 7 or 8 to a company that is without any growth prospect in profit or dividend or perhaps to a company with high volatility or uncertainty in profitability. This is certainly not the case with this company.

The market can be irrational in the short term but will be rational in the long run. I am sure the market will award a higher PE to RCECap in the medium term. Perhaps in the PE region of 11 to 14.
26/05/2021 11:50 AM
Moolala I second that
26/05/2021 12:19 PM
nextan Sir if the PE 15 how much is the tp?
26/05/2021 2:26 PM
Moolala you can calculate yourself, use trailing EPS x PE
26/05/2021 5:13 PM
nextan Thanks bro...
26/05/2021 7:09 PM
Goh123 3.70?
26/05/2021 7:53 PM
zigua 290!
02/06/2021 5:11 PM
Moolala major shareholders buying shares, they know business is going to be good and share price is undervalued
03/06/2021 10:32 PM
kakashi1888 @nextan @Goh123.... if PE 15 then the share price would be around RM5+-. Hope this help you. Cheers
04/06/2021 12:59 AM
Goh123 Major shareholder buy back. ... something want happen?
08/06/2021 6:35 PM
Sureinvest I think so. I think they are going to privatize this cash cow.
08/06/2021 6:37 PM
ming Yea.. but price now alrdy exceed NTA. Even privatise dont think will offer good price
08/06/2021 6:42 PM
kelvin17 there is basically no asset why should the boss wanted to privatise , he can set up another similar co at little cost instead of paying us rm 3
10/06/2021 5:01 AM
Bgt 9963 Hoot9e...!
10/06/2021 8:30 AM
stevenlowcb esos for staffs priced at RM 2.17 tomorrow list
10/06/2021 10:46 AM
JayC88 hopefully got chance to buy tmr
10/06/2021 12:51 PM
Goh123 Major shareholder buy in again huat ar
11/06/2021 5:24 PM
Moolala good earnings up ahead
11/06/2021 6:55 PM
observatory Published in The Edge today. "Positive views on RCE Capital maintained, despite FMCO"
12/06/2021 2:59 PM
Moolala The Edge has been publishing quite a few articles on RCEcap as of late, hopefully more fund managers will notice this gem and push the price up higher
12/06/2021 3:03 PM
observatory I’ll watch out for these few factors:

1. Revenue growth – can expect little growth given the loan book growth has slowed considerably. The management has turned cautious even before the pandemic. But I agree as it’s better to be too cautious than overly aggressive in this personal loan business

2. Asset quality – continues to hold up very well. It’s helped by the job security of its customer base (civil servant) where repayment is mostly through salary deduction.

3. Interest rate – It has benefited from lower funding cost in the past few years during the interest rate down cycle. But 10Y Malaysian government bond yield has recovered from the 2.5% low last year to current 3.2%. How fast will it rise in future, and how might it affect future cost of borrowing and therefore the net margin?

4. Valuation – This is a contentious topic. Some investors here feel that it’s undervalued. Based on Maybank’s projection of FY22E book value of RM2.37, currently RCE trades at 1.24X PB against expected FY22E ROE of 15.1%.

Instead of comparing against valuation of another lender like Aeon Credit (which stirs up a different kind of disagreement with AEONCR investors), I look up at BIMB, which also offers a lot of personal loan to civil servants (although also other banking, stock brokerage and insurance thrown in).

AM Invest projects 2021E BV at RM4.08, which is 0.84X PB, against FY21E ROE of 12.8%. In this not perfect comparison, RCE Capital doesn’t look too much undervalued in a relative sense. Besides, BIMB being a larger cap stock and more liquid could attract larger funds, and therefore in theory should enjoy higher valuation.

Anyway, like it or not, the share price is determined by the market. For me it's good enough to just hold and collect dividends regardless of share price movement, as long as fundamentals remain sound.
12/06/2021 3:56 PM


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