First you call me crab then you call duck.....what r you talking here......it's serious bullying you are doing here.....

Aiyo....read ur own posting lah who is telling who what to post??



tonylim
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Posted by tonylim > Aug 11, 2013 11:00 PM | Report Abuse

You still dont understand the serious repercussions of postings crabs on the Internet. Dont break any cyber laws.

Hey isn't this a forum to share???? Hahahahaha what r u talking about?

Like you spamming. . ?

When I don't comment I don't ask for things, when I do comment I ensure I share freely. This is true for any capable person but for those who say they are capable and good but continue to take, pls be aware of them.

KCchong.......you r indeed too good.......someone is eating your food now.....for free.

Hahahaha taking again.......

So we know who are the ones spoiling this forum.....the takers and the ampu.......if they ban its also fine with me......those who press the buttons anyways are the non contributor. Lol

Continue to carry Inwest88. Hahahaha

If you do choke....no one will notice ......just lift that finger and point to ur throat and they will think u want more food......enjoy..

Have a good dinner mr domino.....just don't choke ok since u r in a hurry......

Hahaha u r talking abt yourself.....go scrammmmmm......lol

Hahaha he claims to know me.....hmmmm I too know him.....who doesn't know mr domino pls put up ur hand......

Ok running away again......bye mr domino......

Aiyo....he can write...but when he does he gives a sermon.....don't ask me questions...I have share where necessary....where is your?.....ohhh I forgot...your sharing is asking question a nd take away only.......

Oh no....run away again mr domino?

Once you can read, your name nic suggestion may increase to more than mono alphabet.....but than again negative iq....can or not improve?

Hahaha from someone who can't read......did u steal that too like how you take fr the forumer.s....

But then there is also dumb and dumber.....gosh which generation are u Tonylim.....if you are 6 th generation, that iq must be negative....lol

Hahaha...as I said, u have reading deficiency......ask KCchong.....it's alredi in wiki.....now I understand when ppl say there is no medicine to cure dumb....I wonder if its also passed down.....

Well knowledgeable 3rd party definitely cannot be mr domino here.....he will be busy delivering to wrong address because cannot read......

Looks like someone could not even read properly....leave alone investing.....kakaka

Yeap it for the smart guys.....doesn't include you....!

I am done with KCchong........he does not know when to quit! If you are wrong , you are wrong. It's not a game to see who is right anyway. Accurate means money, that all.

KCchong, ur statement below as what you have written.....again I repeat financial income is a category in accounting since you have never heard of it but have been looking at PnL. I would advice you check before dwelling too deep on a statement. Finance and financial income as what I have explain. I will use impartial known website to argue. Fair!?



Blog: OTB, Fat Cat, kcchong portfolio return by kcchongnz
Aug 11, 2013 01:31 PM | Report Abuse

What the hack is your financial income? Show me a company's financial statement with "financial income" as jv and associates. I already asked you to show me your "financial income" from a financial statement to prove that you are right, have you? Tell you what, there is no such thing as financial income as a line in income statement. There is this "finance income" or "finance expense", which is interest income or interest expense. Not associates or jv.

Why is income from associates and jv not repeatable? In TanKW's lemang business, why only his lemang business income is repeatable, and why not his investment income from nasi lemak? For me, forex gain/loss is not repeatable. Gain/loss of sale of a property not related to its ordinary business is not repeatable etc, not income from a legitimate associates or jv.

Me "ridicule cynically"? Who tried to pick on who first?

I "didn't even understand financial income and expense when you wrote on JV and associate.....and calculated the % of Net income and OP". I really wonder who didn't understand.

Well I guess we have to leave it to a third party who knows better to judge.

Firstly search wiki first....otherwise ppl claim I put u down again. If you cannot find let me know. I will show you. And when I do, the term "financial income" I expect an apology because you wanted specific but did not do your homework!!!

I state again what I wrote earlier last para

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Blog: OTB, Fat Cat, kcchong portfolio return by kcchongnz
Aug 11, 2013 09:51 AM | Report Abuse

Kcchong, is this the lowest you want to take a pot shot ......a term finance vs financial income

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After EBIT, there are many other stuff other than your "financial income". Anyway, I thought it is "Finance income" which is interest from FD etc, not "financial income" as stated by you. Other stuff includes forex gain, gain/loss from associates, jv etc which their accounts have not been consolidated, gain/loss from sale of PPE, sale of land etc.
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It is the same thing.....one to describe (ie finance income) and the other is is a accounting term in PnL. Anymore pot shot? The rest is already in the link I put there

Kcchong, don't be so one dimensional......three dimension or four is better. If after I wrote so long, u still don't get it while Tan KW has summarize what I was trying to pass on, then it's understandable why I am not responding!
If u want, go on specific and we can go all the way. No point being sensitive and taking pot shots.....

Lol ....you must ask KCchongnz .....he is the owner of the business...

I know I knw u saw lemang business during raya doing very well huh.......this one you can add on because Raya is yearly and you may be able to project base on annual.

Wah Shirley also like to hit below belt here......Kakakaka

Kcchong, is this the lowest you want to take a pot shot ......a term finance vs financial income

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After EBIT, there are many other stuff other than your "financial income". Anyway, I thought it is "Finance income" which is interest from FD etc, not "financial income" as stated by you. Other stuff includes forex gain, gain/loss from associates, jv etc which their accounts have not been consolidated, gain/loss from sale of PPE, sale of land etc.
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It is the same thing.....one to describe (ie finance income) and the other is is a accounting term in PnL. Anymore pot shot? The rest is already in the link I put there



As for Houseofordos, yes there are many other calculations that u have pointed out that can be used. However remember that the more measurement pointed in same direction means more accuracy. Example a lot of ppl use P/E ratio as one of a means to view desirability or a form of virtual repayment period (hinging at 10 ie ref to 10 years) but I suspect this hinge at PE 10 benchmark will move a lower or higher scale benchmark depending on the global movement and may settle at a new benchmark. Reason I say that is because it may become a norm repayment period in the real world to extend if prices of things do not come down while salary is the same.....
Ok Ok coming back to earlier statement of PE (assuming all stays the same) the example I gave as I also use Price/ Cashflow to balance my PE observation to support my own justification when buying or selling. This is what I mean.

If u look at OTB, he also says he uses Diff method to calculate to observe consistency I believe. Same here.

If all the argument that has been said here is that a top expert can only be as accurate as 60% , we better accept more critism to be more accurate......

I am just an avid reader here......I do appreciate Kcchong and OTB rational argument, that's why I bother giving my opinion.....

So what's you story here ? Blog writer? Analyst?

That's my opinion if you have not read earlier of what I wrote of Tonylim.....that fine....nothing to do with you......

Aiya...u guys suppose to be expert

Blog: OTB, Fat Cat, kcchong portfolio return by kcchongnz
Aug 10, 2013 10:04 PM | Report Abuse

One correction,

After EBIT is Financial Income

IBIE = EBIT + Financial Income

Earning B4 income Tax = IBIE - Financial Expense

Net Income comes after that......

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Ok I spell all out.....

After Earning B4 income Tax will be the tax and after that is Net Income lor......

That cannot be understood two ways right........

Read carefully mate.....I have openly said my opinion on Mr Domino aka Tonylim. Only....hahahaha

That's why I said the financial expense must be low in relative to the Financial income to record a high Net Income.

Include Nasi Lemak but before Deducting Financial expense and Tax....

Hahahaha again, read I have also said what is stated its fact....did I say marketing oneself is wrong?

So if i say someone is racist base on facts but may oppose ur belief, am I wrong? Common be real.....we live in a information world where everything is right at finger tip. You can also say I criticize u but truly did I.....all I say is he is marketing himself.......u guys gotto grow up and be more matured.....

One correction,

After EBIT is Financial Income

IBIE = EBIT + Financial Income

Earning B4 income Tax = IBIE - Financial Expense

Net Income comes after that......

So now if you put Forex into you business growth, you may be come a Investment house or exchange house.......as a pillar in your business. Then you can project a growth base on it....otherwise it will sit a financial income.....

Hahahaha you got ........

Here Nasi Lemak is actually in the category of financial income......I have attach the link for areas of definition in financial income and expense earlier

Thank you Tan KW.....now you see the amt of difference 25% vs 42%. Assuming next quarter they cannot get a JV or investment income or forex or etc in that category (btw they may still have fnancial expense in liability interest ) the investor who may not know better may see a lower Net income fr expectation. The rest is as per what I wrote earlier

Ok 5 minutes up....I presume no further questions or debate.....chao....!

If you have one category in FA u want to dwell in focussing on CBIP accounts subject matter, I will be happy to debate......free of charge too......

Aiya I want to sign off but you pose me questions.......like I have said earlier and you should understand being a FA guy.....calculations are divided into 4 main category.....performance, efficiency, strength and financial. I will not include forecast! What u have shared is the financial accounting right? I am questioning the efficiency calculation fr the accounting which will in turn affect also the some part of performance calculation.....

They are not real and can mislead on net income......unless they built it into one of their business pillars. ...no further comment from me.... Chao!

P/s: Pls don't give mr domino too much ok.....lol even if free it must come with some fair exchanges.......and don't misunderstand my critism as disrespect.....I criticize But I respect the info provided here (just as I criticize some of Fed policies but does not mean I have a better solution or disrespect Bernake........) I love them all but the macroeconomics just just does not help our market......


Take care....

Yes my argument still stands as per my explanation above because just like forex, this is not consistent. Unless they built a business on JV growth. If such is true, in accounting may not fall in same category.

Note that my link is a category that you add on to EBIT. Ie financial income category. U have to know this as a lot of companies have unintentionally caught their investors on this. You can check TM also reported higher income due to forex but this cannot be repeated consistently.......

Now if that is correct, it's not seen in the top line (revenue) hence net profit against revenue % is higher. This is not a consistent earning. Next q result you may get top line improve but net income affected because like forex and JV and etc in the category is not something most business built on......hope this clears the explanation....

I belief it should be under this sub category in the link....forex should be here too


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