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21 comment(s). Last comment by Tobby 2022-07-29 17:29

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2022-07-27 14:47 | Report Abuse

Vey good explaination.

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 2022-07-27 15:18 | Report Abuse

Worst than a Century of Shame ceding Hong kong to Bristish East India Opium Company

At least Hong Kong was returned to CHINA

billionman

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Posted by billionman > 2022-07-27 15:41 | Report Abuse

E this Tomny T is writing unlaterally on Sulu as AG or in protecting the sovereignity of Mal..Seem TT is actin as AG sulu...what a sjame

billionman

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Posted by billionman > 2022-07-27 15:41 | Report Abuse

shame

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 2022-07-27 16:38 | Report Abuse

MORAL of the story

LEARN and master English

OR end up like Sultan Sulu

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-27 20:42 | Report Abuse

So France, Luxembourg made huge error of judgement!

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-27 20:44 | Report Abuse

Alvin! Correction! The concubine offsprings are not legitimate 'heirs' of Sultan Sulu! Remember, Sultanate Sulu gave away his rights! It's not a lease but cede of rights to claim Sabah forever!
So pay those concubine offsprings and move on!

arv18

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Posted by arv18 > 2022-07-28 06:18 | Report Abuse

Outstanding. Clear and well articulated. Thank you Tan Sri for clearing up this issue.

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-28 11:51 | Report Abuse

Arv18! Yeah! It's very clear explanaition! I retract my blame on Tommy Thomas! It seems he has done his job! It's clearly Luxembourg fault!

beinvested

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Posted by beinvested > 2022-07-28 12:46 | Report Abuse

Instead of a lease, the lands were ceded (given up) to another party.

Given up but with a yearly payment of a fixed amount. One thousand Dollars 100 years ago is much small today.

1. The former AG's clarification is very clear.
2. Will a normal person can give up such a big piece of land at any point of time?
3. Did they understand the word "inflation" and "appreciation of the value of the lands" ?

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 2022-07-28 13:22 | Report Abuse

DON'T ask, just sign it

Sslee

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Posted by Sslee > 2022-07-28 14:51 | Report Abuse

The 1878 Grant is the sole and exclusive basis of the claim by the descendants of the Sultan of Sulu. That Grant ceded ownership and sovereignty in perpetuity of parts of present day Sabah to the British North Borneo Company. It was a legacy of Empire. It was similar to the grant of Bombay by the Portuguese to the British in 1661 and the ceding of New York (New Amsterdam) by the Dutch to the British in 1664. Nearer home, Penang in 1786 by the Sultanate of Kedah and Singapore in 1819 by the Sultanate of Johore: in both cases to the British. In none of these cases is there a similar claim in the 21st Century arising from the original grant in perpetuity. The Sulu claim must therefore be viewed in the context of empire and colonialism. The transfer of other peoples’ lands by one empire to another was commonplace in centuries past; a legal challenge by arbitration centuries later is novel.

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-28 16:49 | Report Abuse

As stated clearly, it cannot be challenge by arbitration! Let Sultan Sulu 'heirs' sue till bankrupt! Malaysia willing to pay the outstandings! So there's no dispute at all! It's up to the illegimate offsprings to take it or sue in futiity!

chinaman

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Posted by chinaman > 2022-07-28 19:19 | Report Abuse

then, why keep blindly pay myr5000 cess annually to Sulu since 1963 Independence which giving wrong impression to sulu that north borneo still under lease?

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-28 22:20 | Report Abuse

Chinaman! As long as Malaysia is willing to pay for those 5k peanuts annually, then EU or US has no rights to intervene at all! But let the white people inlawful actions come to futility!

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-28 23:30 | Report Abuse

The recent public discussion on the “Seizure Notice” issued in Luxembourg against assets belonging to Petronas to satisfy the US$14.92 billion award by the Spanish Arbitrator Gonzalo Stampa has been marred by a fog of disinformation and lies. The Malaysian public is entitled to truthful disclosure of matters concerning the dispute between the Sulu Claimants and the Government of Malaysia, which led to this massive but completely illegitimate award.

beinvested

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Posted by beinvested > 2022-07-29 11:21 | Report Abuse

STORY: Chinese President Xi Jinping on Thursday warned U.S. President Joe Biden against "playing with fire" over Taiwan, as Beijing's concerns mounted over a possible visit by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the Chinese-claimed island.

In a phone call that lasted over two hours, Chinese state media said Xi told Biden that the United States should abide by the "one-China principle" and stressed that China firmly opposed Taiwanese independence and interference of external forces.

Chinese state media, quoted Xi as telling Biden, “Those who play with fire will only get burnt…(We) hope the U.S. side can see this clearly.”

According to a White House statement, Biden told Xi that U.S. policy on Taiwan had not changed and that the United States strongly opposes unilateral efforts to change the status quo or undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.

Beijing has issued escalating warnings about repercussions should Pelosi - a Democrat like Biden - visit Taiwan, which says it is facing increasing Chinese military and economic threats.

Junichiro

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Posted by Junichiro > 2022-07-29 14:50 | Report Abuse

The tentacles of western colonialism of is alive and well and live in the likes of Gonzalo Stampa .
Western colonialism never ended.

Income

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Posted by Income > 2022-07-29 15:25 | Report Abuse

This never fail to amaze me

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 2022-07-29 16:07 | Report Abuse

malaysia unilaterally broke the 1878 Agreemant in 2013 ?

then act like saint ?

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-29 17:29 | Report Abuse

Alsvin! No! Malaysia didn't! Just a delay! In fact full repayment with 10% interest!
Bare in mind, the Sulus rejected it through their lawyers! Luxembourg verdict was totally uncalled for! It's totally injustice!

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