@probability & @sslee thanks for all the valuable informations that both of you provided. Really make our life so much easier.

okok u panlai

hedge fund got factory got goods? thats hedging ?u didn;'t baca meh go google la

i think u are just like ur name ular pusing pusing empty talk betul ka hedging lead to bankrupt hor

i didnt goggle ular i just ask u to give example till now elek

how is this true leh? how did the war save the tycoon?

True loh!
Chinese Nickel billionaire nearly bankrupt betting on nickel future loh!

Lucky russian -ukraine war save him from the brink

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Takda baca news article many China companies also hedging on commodity lah. Not only HY leh. Where got hedging surewin one leh. If thats the case no need so hard run the refinery terus hedge enuf lah. Haiyoh.
Correct?

eagerinvestor

hy profit or loss is based on margin not derivatives. so yes it can make money when head win tail also win when got margin.

ular u bring up the topic without giving example now ask me to google like tat betul meh?

no wor ular which one go bankrupt becoz of hedging?

hy profit or loss is based on margin not derivatives. so yes it can make money when head win tail also win when got margin.

a company that able to make bil in a quarter having a bil hedging is excessive?

hengyuan is commodity player. good eg shud be gold and not shares. if u make losses in gold derivatives and your gold value go up or down in tandemn with the derivatives. u make in physical gold loss money on derivatives. so is lp pl

worry dun buy his stocks lor. dun worry buy lor. what alot of ppl here are trying to say is hedging is normal practise. if we want to tok abt hedging alone.

low margin hedge more u guys shud complain la if high margin hedge more also complain meh?
if high margin didnt' hedge enuff u guys complain why such an oppurtunity also didn't hedge it. Maybe hedging is such a bad word for ppl that dun understand it. To those ppl that own a factory, hedging means locking in profit.

wanna know hy got bet or not u just compare the production of the company vs the derivatives loh

how can hedge wrongly when u have the goods u just deliver the goods

If you have the goods its call hedging . bill hwang dun have the goods hence its call betting

Hedging and speculation refer to strategic activities relating to investing, and speculators and hedgers describe traders and investors of a particular sort. Aside from both being fairly sophisticated strategies, though, speculation and hedging are quite different.

Speculation involves trying to make a profit from a security's price change, whereas hedging attempts to reduce the amount of risk, or volatility, associated with a security's price change.

Hedging attempts to eliminate the volatility associated with the price of an asset by taking offsetting positions in it—that is, contrary to what the investor currently has. The main purpose of speculation, on the other hand, is to profit from betting on the direction in which an asset will be moving.

hedging a 12-24 mths derivatives is like locking in a long term oil contract. its normal why all the fuss?

i guess no bonuses for IB this year. December is just around the corner

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Baghdad-In-Crisis-As-Protesters-Storm-Presidential-Palace.html

wow thanks for your effort probability

hi calvin, what do you think about bumitama any tp?