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2014-09-04 11:44 | Report Abuse
Posted by Edmund investor > Sep 4, 2014 11:04 AM | Report Abuse
This counter is for big sharks cheating money. Those who buy will suffer
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@edmundinvestor: Could you please give me an honest view about TGOFFS?? You trusted it & said it more than twice (x2). I also know how you reacted in SONA. My position is still open in TGOFFS.
2014-09-04 11:15 | Report Abuse
Posted by surewinone > Sep 4, 2014 07:16 AM | Report Abuse
We'll soon we will know - and soon this forum will slowly but surely become deserted like Sona - leaving most people licking their wound - and as usual with great arrogance once again will never learn and history will repeat itself. Greed and gullible Ikan Billis eaten up by the planner who meticulously planned, and well executed the plan.
All the so call signing and poems by so call intel here including the early birds to no avail as you all were part of a bigger scheme.
It took then months if not years to plan and execute this whole exercise and flood the market will all positive news in past 2 weeks - and also flood the market with ESOS etc - what you think - as noble people to make you rich??
Continue singing, chanting and writing poems - especially to the early birds here.
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@surewinone: Since you are so, so, so well calibrated. Would you mind sharing with us your successes in the stock market? And also your life achievements? Please do not forget to tell us a bit about yourself!!!
2014-09-04 11:02 | Report Abuse
Posted by Alexofb2b > Sep 4, 2014 07:04 AM | Report Abuse
mymosmi ,
thank you.
I am not looking at Suma as my investment target. But i treat it as a Goreng counter since day one in this forum tread, for those who are long enough here will know me well, I am neutral on suma, and All are against my earlier postings here... you may refer to those postings below page 600....., i am a trader, not God TO TELL traders to buy/sell, but i do want all here to know what they are buying...... is it a fair value buy,??
Happy trading
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@Alexofb2b: Do realised that not many people had hantam you in the past. They have been keeping quiet for your digressions. You talked about 'goreng' & 'fair value'. You do project yourself as very successful in the role as a trader. So tell me what objective do you set for yourself when in pop-up here to give your comments...???
Go 'goreng' other counters but not Sumatec!!!
I still think that you are an options trader.
So what fair value are you talking about?
2014-09-02 12:20 | Report Abuse
Hi! After this PN17 uplift, let me just wish Suma would be back on an uptrend again gradually, don't we wish 1cent a day, after today. Although most were caught by the 'margin call', the double UMA query by Bursa was overdone. The R.I. announcement was released much early (another surprise)so as the immediate uplift out from PN17. As all punters looked forward to greater participation from financial institutions the next Q.R. is of importance now.
I still have 2 days of blog entries to catch-up so this will take time reading to clear the postings. I won't bother to respond until I catch up to the present.
I'm motivated to understand why people choose to behave the way they behave being obnoxious and destructive. Was it due to lack of education, lack of guidance, lack of love when they were young. Or life changing experiences desensitised by bad examples, by traumatic experiences. Or they are conditioned to believe finishing 1st is the only thing, powerful and unquestionable. Or are they born the way they are, nothing can change them.
So #optimus_wxyz, #canlaughdie_xx, #laughdieme_yy and the likes...
What pleasures you ?
Over the Friday and Saturday last, it is fantastic to see many others who surfaced up to give support on this forum. So many unsung heroes. Salute to all of you. If we see trash, we have to trash it out.
My Merdeka holidays had been great...stayed in town...new discoveries...
2014-09-02 07:15 | Report Abuse
Elton John: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JfvAPZGjds
Last, Friday was a field day for doomsday predictors, Suma haters, fear mongers, etc, etc. You guys had your day but just for 1 day. Yes! I had new discoveries over the Merdeka holidays. Good meaningful ones.
And I won't be able to watch the start of trading this morning.
@marskmenship: When you cannot figure what is happening, do not add to nonsense. You've made yourself sounded so righteous & saving the worlds from sorrow and cheats.
@happytradingz: You can ardently support give your blind support to your idol.
@surewinone: You ask for it!
If someone brave enough to disclose a part of their weakness did you guys think that they too do not how to deal with their predicament? Please stay away forever for you made a choice concluding that die hard Sumatec forummers are cheats & liars.
Sumatec knew how to deal with people like you besides the cold and cunning sharks.
2014-08-28 23:26 | Report Abuse
Posted by Ring > Aug 28, 2014 11:20 PM | Report Abuse
If d indicative price for RI is 40cts then what shall be d price of mother?
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20cts bcoz I want to buy at that price for a no hope, no future company...!!!! LOL
2014-08-28 23:17 | Report Abuse
Posted by ozzie75 > Aug 28, 2014 10:57 PM | Report Abuse
Any thoughts on the ancillary asset of limestone production quarry?
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That's additional income....
2014-08-28 23:11 | Report Abuse
Posted by luoli > Aug 28, 2014 10:50 PM | Report Abuse
SAY PRICE B4 EX-RIGHTS = 50C, PRICE AFTER EX-RIGHTS = (0.5+0.5+0.4)/3 = 0.465. IF U HAVE 100,000 UNITS SUMA, U PAY RM20,000 TO GET 50,000 UNITS MORE AND 50,000 FREE WARRANT C. SO U WILL HAVE 150,000 UNITS SUMA AT 46.5C PLUS 50,000 WC AT APPROX.40C. IF U DUN WAN THE RIGHTS, RENOUNCE IT AND GIVE IT TO ME! I WANT!!!!
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Disclaimer: This is only a price example!
2014-08-28 23:06 | Report Abuse
Posted by speculative > Aug 28, 2014 10:42 PM | Report Abuse
Sumatec create new game as a feedback of previous uma.. see their hidden agenda.. wait long time to reply uma query..
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No words to describe this I DO IT !!!!!!!!!
2014-08-28 22:53 | Report Abuse
Posted by Alexofb2b > Aug 28, 2014 10:05 PM | Report Abuse
luoli ,
the NTA is published in Bursa.(RM0.150)
I WAS day trading, not investor like you,,,... that time and now my view has changed... , the last 2 Qtr can only acc profits below 14 millins, where is the promised RM69 millions by the ceo/halim of Sumatec ???
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Bro! do stick to your day trading since you have been extremely good with it. I remembered that you laughed at us investors...now you aree changing your mind...you have a choice but don't come here like a flying trapeze and think that you are an expert esp. Sumatec & Advanced Maths.
2014-08-28 22:45 | Report Abuse
Posted by Alexofb2b > Aug 28, 2014 09:55 PM | Report Abuse
One Only way to save Sumatec price from falling down, , Halim saat must arrange Press conference twice daily, every day till the RI exercise is completed, ..... or else, He must be the first one to run to Africa for safety lor....
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@Alexofb2b: You go to your weekend trips do your preaching...HS does not have to do any daily preaching...
2014-08-28 22:38 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughdieme2 > Aug 28, 2014 09:51 PM | Report Abuse
bro, give back a bit is normal, i also cut today and gave back 6 digit profit. vomit back. luckily it was on small portion compared to the one i sold at 61c.
now i swear i never touch anything hs.
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Just listen to this one talk....
Also, wanted to buy Rights Issue....
Will buy OR...why buy 50 + 50...
Do continue with your laughing....
2014-08-28 22:30 | Report Abuse
Posted by calvintaneng > Aug 28, 2014 09:44 PM | Report Abuse
Focuz,
Calvin Tan doesn't own one single Sumatech Shares. Last time or Now. I am only Watching the Game of Musical Chairs. And I am amused.
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Cheap! Very cheap! Publicity stun....
Your oversize ego is not measured by how many shares you own....
It is what's in your writing...who's paying you to pull funds away from Sumatec???
2014-08-28 22:20 | Report Abuse
Posted by SK Lee > Aug 28, 2014 09:25 PM | Report Abuse
Hi laughdieme, I wonder which night club will be able to make rm1 bil profit by 2018? This is just the beginning of better things to come.
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#laughdieme includes the human trafficking, flesh trade, white stuff, poping pills... etc, etc, ... why can't get 1bil ... he controls M'sia.
2014-08-28 22:15 | Report Abuse
Posted by calvintaneng > Aug 28, 2014 09:15 PM | Report Abuse
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Cheap! Very cheap! Publicity stun...
Sersol just reported more losses...how the share price had moved I don't care. IF it had gone up surely it is to your full credit...Hahaha
2014-08-28 22:07 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughdieme2 > Aug 28, 2014 09:09 PM | Report Abuse
Posted by nomanland > Aug 28, 2014 09:08 PM | Report Abuse
Petrol Station, commission diesel 1.5cents+- Ron 3 to 6+ cents per litre, vary according to contract. 6 million profit Per month!! How many litres do you need to order per month? Can someone calculate for me. I am stupid.
u go to the highway petronas and sit there count lah, 24 hours income is a few hundred thousand a day.
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So, every petrol pump having such good business? How many petrol pumps so lucky like you said....?????
2014-08-28 22:03 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughdieme2 > Aug 28, 2014 09:07 PM | Report Abuse
Posted by richinvest > Aug 28, 2014 09:05 PM | Report Abuse
why worries? each 2 share can apply 1 right with 1 warrant free those no hold current share are not enttitle to apply right at 40c hmmm correct me if im wrong
ok i correct u. u r wrong, we dont have to buy 2 shares to participate the RI. we just buy the OR. billions of OR would be listed for 5 days. all below 10c for sure. wakakakakakakaka.
why u hold 2 babies costing u 50c +50c to participate? i just need to pay 10c.
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That is if nobody wants to subscribe for the ORs. In this current environment that TSHS & CD has built up Sumatec. Who does not want the ORs???
Only you trying to scare shit out of everybody to throw. Either way you will win won't you. You collect Mother share cheap, cheap - gives you the entitlement. Those stranded out you call them to rush in buy ORs. This time around is different. There will not be hardly excess ORs...
Let's see who is correct.
2014-08-28 21:43 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughdieme2 > Aug 28, 2014 08:43 PM | Report Abuse
Posted by AiryA > Aug 28, 2014 08:41 PM | Report Abuse
laughdieme2 - calculate pun x pandai.. if don't know better dont comment lor - now all know that you are not clever
nobody said i m clever lo. they only said i m shrewd and intelligence. i guess that is better.
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Your other quality is insulting others & rub salt in peoples wounds. You think people love you for it....
2014-08-28 21:39 | Report Abuse
Posted by happytradingz > Aug 28, 2014 08:41 PM | Report Abuse
Focuz - I read Marksmenship comment and last time if I follow I would have come out of Sona. But I didn't. He was right. Go read his comment in Sona. Now here - not sure but maybe you pay attention and see what happen soon.
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@happytradingz: It's only this week or so you start to appear in Suma Forum. About 3-4 weeks ago I announced here that I've exited Sona. What I did not say was that I made some money. Why you did not pay attention.
I know you have been his pal & ardent supporter. For all I know #marksmenship speaks as though he's good in accounting. To me he is an opportunist...let people slog for him...
2014-08-28 21:33 | Report Abuse
Posted by calvintaneng > Aug 28, 2014 08:40 PM | Report Abuse
Dear Friends,
It was so fun while it lasted.
[No need to replicate the rest...]
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Who!!! Now I know #calvintaneng ego precedes his reputation! Have heard that you are conservative punter.
2014-08-28 21:23 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughdieme2 > Aug 28, 2014 08:31 PM | Report Abuse
good news!!!! i will subscribe the right issue and get the new warrant. just wait for ex-date annoucement. kikikikikakakakakak
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Surprise! surprise! Someone showing an interest.....
2014-08-28 21:18 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughdieme2 > Aug 28, 2014 08:28 PM | Report Abuse
wakahahahhhhakakaaaaaaaaa
right issue at 40c all u guys go holland liao.
see i told u.
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Few weeks ago some visionary people predicted the indicative offer price for the R.I. ... surely u don't have a clue ... u keep laughing!
2014-08-28 21:10 | Report Abuse
Posted by MercuryRX > Aug 28, 2014 08:09 PM | Report Abuse
6m profit...stesen minyak profit for a month :(
no gud.. no gud...
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@mercuryRX: I decided to left out the 'F' just to show you that I have some humour. So, that is it! The above posting is your humour...???
2014-08-28 20:55 | Report Abuse
Posted by shukor78 > Aug 28, 2014 07:35 PM | Report Abuse
hhakim: can you assist to elaborate these...
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/1725733
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WoooooW!!!!!!!! My head is spinning...proposed indicative issue price of 40cts...I will be damned if Suma share price dropped...I'm shaking bcoz I dun know how to do the maths taking up the R.I.
2014-08-28 20:33 | Report Abuse
#Marksmenship intend is to con unfamiliar newcomers visiting Sumatec forum....clear cut story from his arguments & lousy justifications.
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Posted by hhakim > Aug 28, 2014 07:14 PM | Report Abuse
Markmenship...if Halim Saadstarts disposing then I would be worried.....if others, they can do what they want to do, they put money in it buying at cheaper price, why not sell some to gain profit to supplement their lifestyle....honestly, once Halim Saad disposed his shares, I will exit also because that shows that Halim Saad doesn't trust SUmatec's business plan. Until then, as forme,so far things are looking good...
Now Marksmenship...are you going to look at this one dimensionally? CYP and Wan Kamaruddin are from the old train....Simu Noraini talked about this way way back, you can check her history posting....
2014-08-28 20:25 | Report Abuse
Posted by savvy KLite > Aug 28, 2014 06:54 PM | Report Abuse
there r some private placements in the market that we can invest in in the mid-term
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You can re-evaluate your 1.5mil shares of Sumatec and go to some private placements. Do remember to do some good deeds for society with your winnings.
For me, I'm waiting RIGHT HERE !!!! Next, fund raising Rights Issue.....
2014-08-28 20:13 | Report Abuse
I intend on going somewhere....beautiful & happy in this World...(on Earth)
Repeating what #hhakim said,
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Posted by hhakim > Aug 28, 2014 06:53 PM | Report Abuse
Markmenship....it's ok, you don't have to put your money in Sumatec. Nobody is obliged to. People buy shares of a company for it's FUTURE, especially when it's cheap like this....a few hick-up here and there is OK as long as it's heading to the right direction......hold on, I want to remind myself why I invest in Sumatec. By the way, I do make comments on the O&G counters in i3investor forum, when there's technical discussion going on....
2014-08-28 19:48 | Report Abuse
Posted by PN17player > Aug 28, 2014 06:27 PM | Report Abuse
who cares ? so long the profit qualifies for exit pn17 .
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100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
AGREeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeDDD !!!!!
2014-08-28 19:44 | Report Abuse
Posted by bangonluck > Aug 28, 2014 06:11 PM | Report Abuse
what is so great about the results... disappointed...
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To you disappointed because you still in denial & did not collect when opportunity was there for you. Instead you want to spin without substance...go get a washing machine, see how it works...
2014-08-28 19:32 | Report Abuse
Posted by nice1 > Aug 28, 2014 05:10 PM | Report Abuse
suma macam game over jer
trend - up down, up. then down down up down. cycle continue
jangan mara ya...
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Now, you can tell us tomorrow NICE for you (Suma haters, fear mongers, etc...) or NICE for us?
2014-08-28 19:22 | Report Abuse
Posted by pdtan > Aug 28, 2014 04:57 PM | Report Abuse
P&C: To All Front-loaders,Traders,Contra-Players----
Let the sleeping dog lie......TUNDIAMMMMUMU should be busy converting his gains (@0.60) into USD these few days (if only I am his banker to talk in MORE certain terms)......
But you can spend this idle time playing somethings else hugely profitable like.....
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@pdtan: I have not study the QR but in a flash it look decent. Now, you can stuff all your comments designed to haunt the newbies.
You think that you are funny but you are a devils advocate. I sincerely hope you realised you have a sick mind.
2014-08-28 19:12 | Report Abuse
Quarterly results out - tomorrow got a good show.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014-08-28 19:10 | Report Abuse
You are not suited to trade/invest in the stock market. Everyday you expect green, green. You don't even know how to use the Fibonacci chart and yet want to be so cocky, sarcastic & misguiding...
[Refer back to your postings]
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Posted by MercuryRX > Aug 28, 2014 04:52 PM | Report Abuse
untung rugi,
belum ada untung, itu price masi byk rendah mau jual... 3x baru jual, itu Fibonacci ckp sma gua, jgn jual dlu... jual bila abis atas ma... haiya kecik2 trade saja, ada duit rokok ON lor....
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Posted by MercuryRX > Aug 28, 2014 04:39 PM | Report Abuse
Ini company x tunjuk QR mesti ada busuk punya ma.... e.g: operation expenses > revenue
Haiya, BOSS ada payung ma... boleh buat projek KILAT, ikan bilis kena goreng hangus.....
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Posted by MercuryRX > Aug 28, 2014 04:31 PM | Report Abuse
Semua itu ahli nujum, bomoh sama sifu2 semua suda "OFFLINE"... ckp ada SHOW ini petang.... itu show suda datang BULAN ..red flag
2014-08-28 10:32 | Report Abuse
Posted by simon84 > Aug 28, 2014 10:12 AM | Report Abuse
jangan cakap 56 sen kalau hari nie boleh naik lebih 52 i pencen ini sumatec forum
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Sudah lah #simon84 dah banyak kali saya dengar u merepet2 harga 56 sen tak sampai hari ni. Kenapa u tak ketukan orang lain yang berharap2 harga jatuh 25sen atau 30 sen???
2014-08-28 10:26 | Report Abuse
Posted by Tua_Tua_Ki > Aug 28, 2014 10:06 AM | Report Abuse
Want2win ... y u so stubborn ?
u shud change ur name to want2lose very soon
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@Tua_Tua_Ki: I won't change your name but will translate. BIG_BIG_ONE!!
Do listen, where or what BIG I don't comment...
Here I comment:
1. Can't handle the pressures of stock market please get out.
2. Can't handle criticism then don't make comment.
3. Can't figure out what is happening then don't say more nonsense.
2014-08-28 01:35 | Report Abuse
Posted by Looiks > Aug 27, 2014 11:50 PM | Report Abuse
Some of my client start accumulating tday as the situation was not so volatile..he..he.. Ok guys good ngt, my love is here to pick me up.
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Salute to #Looiks & #strategist for staying up late for work, advisory and dedication to Sumatrain.
I guess we dun mind sharing these blogs to all the...we know who...beware don't know where all the spoilers are hiding but spying...remember last Wednesday!
2014-08-28 01:24 | Report Abuse
Posted by joerakmo > Aug 27, 2014 11:30 PM | Report Abuse
Canlaughdie:company can issue PP to their own directors wan ahhh....this one laugh die you lah!!!
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Thank you! Thank you! joerakmo. I can't stop laughing!!!
2014-08-28 01:12 | Report Abuse
Posted by alphajack > Aug 27, 2014 11:04 PM | Report Abuse
I actually have an older sifu (Director in one of the smaller fund management firms) who has met Halim and knows a pretty good and detailed story of what would happen in the next few months. However I cannot reveal here for privacy reasons but this is why I parked a lot of my cash here. I admit, I did not follow this until 2 months ago when he told me. I was busier following hotter stocks like Ifca Msc, Plenitude, Insas etc but after listening to the whole tale I can tell you that the upside is quite high here. TQ.
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Another good dose of optimism...even #canlaughdie wokeup, so did #mercury...who else??? And who are these people??? Hypocrites...ASHO
2014-08-28 01:02 | Report Abuse
Posted by DavidSiaw > Aug 27, 2014 09:24 PM | Report Abuse
My Uncle in SG says:
To all poor and distressed sumaterians,
Wheresoever they may be,
On the land, the sea or in the air.
A speedy relief from their suffering,
And a PN17 upliftment this FRIDAY, if they so desire.
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@DavidSiaw: I like what you have said! U know tat u dun give a hood what others might think of u coming out with such BIG statement.
Instant reaction from those pests, Suma haters, negative minded, fear mongers, blah, blah, blah...!!! U got then dancing on the hot plate on bare foot.
Even if ever u came out hating Suma one bad day this one statement alone is enuf for me to look the other cheek. Yeeeeaah!!!!!!
2014-08-27 17:15 | Report Abuse
Salam simu noraini. I also got to eat light2 too...can make use of yesterday's pocket money good enough....hihihi
2014-08-27 17:11 | Report Abuse
Yoda is misrepresented...yoda does not think & speak in the manner like #yo_da. Yeeeesssss!!! WE all know this a faker.....
2014-08-27 11:37 | Report Abuse
@marksmenship: I've have taken in your noble advice. I intend on "going somewhere" .... beautiful & happy World!!!
2014-08-27 11:26 | Report Abuse
Correction: ....those pests are creating.
2014-08-27 11:21 | Report Abuse
Posted by happytradingz > Aug 27, 2014 11:01 AM | Report Abuse
I agree with anyone who comments that make people not war. So people should stop criticizing others for their comments.
Focuz - you got the right to share your view, so do others. Let them share their view. You don't have to condemn them. Nobody is always right and nobody is always wrong.
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@happytradingz: Now, how did you know that I do not let them share their views? Please explain.
You are smart. I speak to you smart. I may sound harsh but you sure do not understand the psychology that those pests are cresting.
They want to sound stupid. I speak to them stupid. Is not condemn. Please note a difference!
2014-08-27 11:06 | Report Abuse
Posted by ozzie75 > Aug 27, 2014 10:29 AM | Report Abuse
SANG-JERO: If RM10 after exit PN17, I will indent a 40-footer container of rice for distribution to the needy. :) But it's good to be positive.
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@ozzie75: Balanced nutrition works better...not just rice, too much left unconsumed...pests also spoil and damage...
For nutritional tips consult #mymosmi....Hihihihi...!!!
2014-08-27 10:58 | Report Abuse
Posted by LuoLi > Aug 27, 2014 10:14 AM | Report Abuse
WINDCOUD1 :I ALSO KNOW AFFIN BANK NOW HAVE THE BEST FD PROMO 4.05% IN MALAYSIA FOR 15 MONTHS. THOSE WITH SCARED MENTALITY CAN PUT YOUR MONEY THERE. SAFE AND SOUND!!! LOL
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@LuoLi: Is it PIDM guaranteed or M'sia Goverment guaranteed?
At this level of talking I suggest better put money is the vault that is 5 km under the ground level.....
2014-08-27 10:52 | Report Abuse
Posted by MercuryRX > Aug 27, 2014 10:10 AM | Report Abuse
as i said million unit struggle for exit ^^
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Sumatec already 80mil shares transacted.
Must be 1 million unit of sand grains from black oil struggle to exit your urinal tract. Painful???
2014-08-27 10:45 | Report Abuse
@leslieroycarter: Posting outdated news from 2011 really shows your class now. I no longer 2nd guess your intentions here. You have shown glimpses of you communication skills. Maybe you meant to sya those were your past impressions of Hali Saad & Sumatec. Do state your present position to redeem yourself.
You reviewed your true self. Anything short of words from you I conclude that you are just a character assassinator and fear monger.
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Posted by leslieroycarter > Aug 27, 2014 09:58 AM | Report Abuse
http://nexttrade.blogspot.com/search?q=sumatec
after reading this link , I immediately quit this counter....
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Posted by leslieroycarter > Aug 27, 2014 09:55 AM | Report Abuse
I m a bit worry for this counter after reading this link....
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/first/241880-special-report-truth-on-2001-sale-of-renonguem-finally-coming-out.html
2014-08-26 23:56 | Report Abuse
@Noraini: Sori lah, reply so late...dah mahu pi tidur...tiz my last station b4 bedtime.
U are the simu...me learn your tecnik...swim along with the sharks...me, swim behind u laaah...as long got 'range'...habis2 wang dah snagkut dalam profit...so want to find pocket moni...if not have to gorek peruik bubur...hihihi!
someone said, swim beside the sharks teeth (jaws), tiz cannot lor...
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Posted by Noraini Ismail > Aug 26, 2014 05:18 PM | Report Abuse
Focuz ........handling intraday not easy.....need you lah all the time......
Stock: [SUMATEC]: SUMATEC RESOURCES BHD
2014-09-04 11:57 | Report Abuse
Posted by laughnonstop2 > Sep 4, 2014 11:27 AM | Report Abuse
only fools stick with those cheating smelly bad temper girlfren forever. and the ending. the girls runaway with his money with another nigerian.... or kazakstanian???
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@laughnonstop2: What you said is 'life choices'. Just like you who choose to behave in a stupid and repulsive way. Do you think girls would be attracted to you, even with the paid ones....???
Another one for you to think about, I do hope that you have teenaged girl...one day she chooses someone and marry that someone that is not in your wildest dream...