Maybe i'll just ascetics at my cave for now and will come again to i3investor another 2 weeks (if SuperPanda still want to continue his challenge as he also know the challenge will almost become a gambling to him. Just depend on luck only). If not, just consider i'm just underdog player who just stop by here.

This maybe my last comment for another 2 weeks (still, depend on SuperPanda). I'll not answering any comment after this. Feel free to said anything or make fun of me, don't really care. I knew who i am, and you guys can look the proof another 1-3 weeks later.

Until then,

may luck be with all of you.

Peace.

Paktua @ Dato Muhamad Pikairi Bin Zainudin (i knew you are real person. Have study about you. The different between us is you are politicians type while i not) as i just very little in views, just consider i'm a newbie here. An underdog challenger.

Not just 3 month, even 30 years also, i will stick to this method as this is the only method that i can predict the market movement (in a short of time with 1-3 weeks timeframe) almost accurately. Before, i've try many method, but all is just a lagging method. This is the strongest method that work well for me. And already use it exclusively for over 8 years now. (start on 2010 when i first read a book called Price Action Trading)

So to answer your question (i believe you're questioning me what method i use) i just use price action trading (candlestick, trend line, triangle, Support and Resistance, etc with a most leading indicator that has ever been discovered, fibonacci tools). Yes, just that. Just a basic, right? What the point to learn advance method if that method always lose to this basic method? Atleast for me.

With tight stop loss, and your risk management in check, impossible for you to take a lose out of 10 trade. My mentor already said to me once, "you can enter any trade at random, as long as your risk management in check, you can profitable out of 10 trade". Inspiring huh?

SuperPanda, that is what i do. I shout to them in a very good point that any experience trader, or investor, would understand it clearly. What is wrong when i said buy on uptrend because there is where shark is pumping their money, ride with them not against them because you'll never win, they always a step infront of you, dont outsmart the market, dont gambling at downtrend, do a cut loss (even i have give an art of cut loss as you can read above just as an idea) and so on. My method maybe look harsh, but that is how i learn until i stand at where i stand now. i3investor forumer maybe never know my name before (but at least some of them has know now) as i dont active here. But trust me, i'm legit trader and make a tonne of money before by trading. Even i have my own class teaching my method. That's why i accept your buy call challenge just to prove i walk the talk (they can always refer my buy call here forever and be their guide if they want to answering my buy call in 3 weeks period) so they can take my advice (FOC) seriously.

For now, this is just a battle of me and myself to prove what i talk here. You dont need to take a part if you dont want to. You can walk away and i will consider we are tie.

Agree, EngineeringProfit. Don't stressed SuperPanda. You're the one who sell the challenge, so i buy. My original challenge is just to ask you to come with a buy call only so i can see if you legit or not (my intention just to know if that stock profitable, if so i will put in under my watchlist. Sorry for that).

Now, both of us already in deep shit. Just follow the flow only.

Longvalley, what is gonggok belok 813? You already mention it twice. Is it a new style, or program of trading? I hope you can reveal it some so i can learn something new here

Relax SuperPanda. This is between you and me, no need anyone else to joining in. If you want so, maybe you can open another challenge just for you and anyone else. It's his point of views, like you said.

This 2 weeks challenge also disadvantage for me, as my buy point not reach yet, but soon it will. As this is my game, i dont feel stressed at all. The rules still same, in this 2 weeks, we will wait for our set entry to hit, if it hit our cut loss point, that trade is declared as loss trade. And calculate how many percent we can gain at closing challenge date.

Is this a gambling? Maybe. But i rather to take it as a lesson in trading. Maybe i will learn something. And if i wrong, i will come back with better solution.

No need to stressed. It's not involved any cent. Just a paper trade challenge. Be calm.

@Risktransformer, it's true everything you said there, sir. A TA like us change the prospect and game plan almost everyday by the end of day price. Means our stop loss and TP also has an impact based on that. If a challenge for 2 weeks like this, is disadvantage for me as i has lose the freedom to monitor the price action movement everyday and change my game plan based on that.

But, what i want to show is, there is many gameplan that they can try. Maybe they should try a swing trade also instead of buy and hold. Atleast, they already notice by using TA, you already know what is your entry, TP and stop loss are.

Glad to have you on my side, sir.

Okay sifu dompeilee. This is a live trade. The result will speak itself another 2 weeks. Why dont you just hold with patience and come back after 2 weeks? Both of us maybe right, or also maybe wrong. If after 2 weeks, if both of us, or one of us is wrong, you can bash as you like.

Shit, i should just stop talking in forum. Too many bad than good then.

Noted that SuperPanda. Don't worry. We'll just do a paper trade. Not any cent will involve.

Why? You can do it to me, but i can't do it to you? Okay SuperPanda. Meet again another 2 weeks.

And Paktua, what is your means by "just pretending good, say after stock up?" Can i know you refer to which one? Again, what do you means by view? Is it how many comment people make? I notice by when you said i got 50 view only, that is the time i just posting 50 comment. Is it true, a comment? That is how you rate people? By a comment? So if he posting thousands of comments, means he is so good? Lol

SuperPanda, i just analize your buy call. Shocking, i just turn off the chart apps on my phone (my chart server is breakdown, so i can't make an accurate analysis). I dont need any indicator at all to analize your buy call, just using eye ball approach i already know where to buy and where to sell (unless, if you have some insider news, or know some good news that i dont know yet). By all respect, please allow me to disagree with your buy call and allow me to point it in different view.

All your buy call is in trading range. In trading range, it's almost clearly where is the support and resistance are. All your buy call price that you put is high with risk, and far away from the nearest support. Due to all the respect, let me pointing my low risk entry from your buy call.

Hibiscus : Buy 0.85 TP 0.95 CL 0.82
Velesto : Buy 0.27 TP 0.3 CL 0.25
Gbgaqrs : Buy 1.24 TP 1.3 CL 1.1
Comfort : Buy 0.8 TP 0.88 CL 0.77
Sime : Buy 2.34 TP 2.6 CL 2.26
Skpres : Buy 1.36 TP 1.62 CL 1.32

As for DRB Hicom, i will wait until my chart server is responding before said anything as this is maybe the only legit that i found.

It's okay if you wrong sometimes, but if you wrong many times, it cost money. I just pointing it back as i fear someone will answering your buy call (ikan bilis, maybe). And if they does, at the price that you call, maybe the risk is greater than reward.

By all respect, just take it as complement from your buy call.

Yes mobuzz. I like to challenge person to debate, just to learn something new from them, and to recognized my weakness. Sometimes it rewarding, sometimes it just waste your time. Try it. Maybe you can learn something new.

Wish the luck be with you.

Yeah. Just for next round, we will start asking an advice fees. Lol


Stock: [SAPNRG]: SAPURA ENERGY BHD
Jul 21, 2018 07:45 PM | Report Abuse

Thank you, Mobuzz

: )

( Next round I shall ask them to predict how Gunung Capital 7676 will perform over the next 12.months....hehe)

Paktua, i'm not an active commentator to get thousands of views. Just a silence trader who is just like to reading than comment. Sometimes enter the forum, many times left without goodbye. Depend on the mood.

No sir, i dont want to bet at downtrend market as i dont good at it. More lose than win. Not worth it.

Every near TP? How can i compare with your TP, just a few cent above your entry? How about how many profit that the stock that we pick make? Or how many percent? Now that is fair

Yes SuperPanda, now you have become a Panda again. Lol. 5 more stock into my watchlist. Rewarding challenge

SuperPanda, i already said to you that is for turning point entry. Do you check your chart? All the buy call there is doing a turning point. The entry that i said is for the entry point. I predict where did it stop, and where did it will go after that. Is that is too hard for you to get?

1.15 @ 1.145 is a turning point. TP at 1.26. Btw, why do you guys keep gambling at downtrend market? This is the last time as i want to take a rest from this forum. I'm not your advisor and you doesn't pay anything to get my advice. I smell some cynical in your comment. If you want ask people to help, ask nicely or i will just give an advice to make you lose everything to the last cent.


EngineeringProfit Dear respectable Master Sir Baling and honourable Master Sir Superpanda,

Can you show you prowessness in making this prediction.....

(not on Sapura).......on JAKS (4723) (FYI the traders there are understandably devastated)

1.when will stop 'bleeding'

2. rebound at what price

?

(Knowing both of you are all-rounder experts in all setups)

Well, i think i'll put a stop here on this debate. It'll not go anywhere as i very sure SuperPandir can't deliver it. My buy call will remain there forever, and you guys can keep visit it as a guideline. SuperPandir buy call? None. Just an empty trash can who think he is smart and everybody is more stupid than him and keep challenge people to give buy call. When people accept it, he will make 1001 excuse to not put a buy call. Even manipulate your buy call to make him look smart. Shame on you SuperPandir.

As for all my comments, i hope some of you can pick something. Maybe something that you don't know before. And if you disagree with it, just take it as a different point of view from other traders with different style, different game.

For now, maybe i'll back to my bat cave to hibernate. Waiting for next cocky ignorant egoist prick to show up. Until then, may luck be with you guys. Peace

Yeah Pmaster. Too many hatred in this room. Maybe full with a bad negative energy? But you're cool, Pmaster. Like your personality. You, sir, has earn my respect.

Until next time, Pmaster. I want to go to hibernate in my bat cave. May luck be with you.

Well SuperPandir, i think you just one of this kind of people.


Stock: [SAPNRG]: SAPURA ENERGY BHD
Jul 21, 2018 12:31 PM | Report Abuse

SuperPandir, it'strue that no cure for stupidity. What? You can deliver a better? Where is your buy call? So i can see if i talking with a legit trader, or investor, as you claim, or just a gambler who think he can outsmart the market.

I just tell the truth. This stock is in downtrend and you will have a hard time to make a money on downtrend market. I try to help to open their mind and you ask me to stay away? What an egoist ignorant prick you are.

Pssttt. I heard you are the one who buy a Dufu and make it raise a few cents. It is true? How much your capital to make it moves a few cents? What are you? The next prankmaster?

Why? You just talk nonsense because you can't deliver what your challenge to people the same way people deliver it? If you can, if you walk the talk, put your BUY CALL. Where is it? None. Except you just manipulate my buy call.

You know what i'm thinking now? You just a joker, a big talker, a gambler who just talk like a FA or TA just for people to look like you are smart. Behind it? Nothing. An empty can. You, sir, has lose my respect. Maybe i'm too big for your boots, huh?

Dont waste my time la SuperPandir. Where is YOUR BUY CALL? Atleast if it legit, i can put it on my watchlist.


Stock: [SAPNRG]: SAPURA ENERGY BHD
Jul 21, 2018 12:48 PM | Report Abuse

SuperPandir, i don't talk about this market as you can recall. Same as your challenge, make a buy call at which stock. Same also my challenge at you. Make a buy call at any trending stock so i can see if you legit or not. Dont waste my time. I already accept your challenge and give a buy call to Topglov, Novamsc, malakoff, Malton, TM, Lionind, plus bonus FGV and TP for evergreen, complete with their risk reward ratio. So where's yours?

SuperPandir, you really pandir or what? That is my buy call based on your challenge. My question is where is your buy call? Why do buy call based on my buy call? Are you a joker or what?


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Jul 20, 2018 09:22 PM | Report Abuse

Woi Balong you shut up lah. If you smart in trading come give buy call. Which stock?

Ouh forgive me SuperPandir. I forget to answered your question. Look likes i missed this comment. When people said BELOW 0.58, if it stop at 0.58, is that BELOW 0.58? If it close at 0.575, so yes, that is below 0.58 and you should close your trade. What is so hard for you to understand?


Jul 21, 2018 11:37 AM | Report Abuse

Balong or SundalBolong watever, people trade for profit regardless of watever type.

Your buy call sapnrg 59c stop loss 58c now 58.5c. So next monday 58c cut loss kah?

TP64c when can get lah? If give TP but cannot tell when can achieve better you buy 4D no lah.

Joker lah you.

Pmaster, as i can recall, paktua just entering at price 0.57. This is still profitable for him. If he use the 3% rules for cut loss, means it is at 0.55, a place where SuperPanda will enter.

You see, every cent that you lose, means a few cent to someone profit. That is how stock market work. So, just follow the trend as that is where the shark is pumping the money. Ride with them, not against them.

Pmaster, paktua maybe predict the next swing based on his experience. But like i said, if it dont go the way you want, just cut loss. Dont just hope. Follow your trading rules and believe what the chart show you. But still, you need luck on this guessing games.

Pmaster, challenge sometimes is a good thing. It make you learn something. If you lose, atleast you can learn from the lesson and come back with a better solution.

For the TP, it's for your trading style. It involve mathemathics skill, along with your experience to read a chart and indicator. It will not accurate 100%, but atleast it almost there. If can't reach thr TP, do what your own trading rules show you.

For me, the period is just 1-3 weeks only. If it dont hit the TP, i will just sell at any price i get and move to other trending market. If it turns south and dont move the way you want, cut loss. It's that simple.

For the cut loss, also has an art. Some trader put stop loss just below the retracement, some stick with 5% rules, some 7% rules. For me, i put tight stop loss just a few tick below the retracement. Dont worry, your other winning trade will cover your lose.

In my trading rules, i just need to predict from swing to swing, usually take 1-3 weeks only. After take the profit, i will wait again for down swing and ride again to next higher swing. I'll do it over and over until trend finish.

Hope that answered your question brother.

Nothing Pmaster. Just want to fill my free time as i already fully invest, so nothing that i can do now except for open debate in forum. Haha

SuperPandir, i don't talk about this market as you can recall. Same as your challenge, make a buy call at which stock. Same also my challenge at you. Make a buy call at any trending stock so i can see if you legit or not. Dont waste my time. I already accept your challenge and give a buy call to Topglov, Novamsc, malakoff, Malton, TM, Lionind, plus bonus FGV and TP for evergreen, complete with their risk reward ratio. So where's yours?

Risktransformer it's true for what you said. Sometimes i also try to find upswing in downtrend market, but i realize i lose more than i win. The risk reward ratio is not worth it. Better to trade in uptrend market.

It's true that it has many expert in here with their own game and their trading strategy. What i do i just to remembering them about risk management, like many trader do. But sometimes, someone can't take it. It's fine. Your money, you decide. If they win or lose, nothing impact on me.

Glad to have you here, sir

SuperPandir, it'strue that no cure for stupidity. What? You can deliver a better? Where is your buy call? So i can see if i talking with a legit trader, or investor, as you claim, or just a gambler who think he can outsmart the market.

I just tell the truth. This stock is in downtrend and you will have a hard time to make a money on downtrend market. I try to help to open their mind and you ask me to stay away? What an egoist ignorant prick you are.

Pssttt. I heard you are the one who buy a Dufu and make it raise a few cents. It is true? How much your capital to make it moves a few cents? What are you? The next prankmaster?

Risktransformer, you are right about Topglov. I just calculate it that way only if the trend is weak (because it just came from a gap down). If the strong trend exist, 9.845 is seem a reasonable price with tight stop loss.

Now i meet someone who walk like i walk. Glad to have you here. If not, i feel like an alien who surrounded with FA investor.

My hat to you, sir.

Stock Master Expert PhD Dr SuperPandir, i'm tired to play your game, your rules, and yours only. How about now we play my game? Give me a buy call from any stock that is uptrend now, complete with an entry, and TP. Well, because this is my game, give me atleast 3 TP. TP1, TP2 and TP3. That is TP projection, my game, my rules. Target to achieve 3 weeks. We will bet who's target really close to another swing, and who's entry really close to the swing low. The loser will admit a lose and get a life.

Deal?

SuperPanda, or should i call SuperPandir? Ask me to bet until end Oct? Btw, do you know what swing trade? I already mention i'm swing trade, means i dont hold stock that long. The entry and TP that i give is for the latest price, that you can hold as long as 2 weeks, and if it dont hit, sell.

2nd, i dont know, i laugh alone reading it. The price for Lionind that i put is for low swing. Your Lionind stock that you hold for sure will not go up without take a pull back right? Or what did you call? Pull back? Swing low? Corrrection? Retrace? Anything you like. But it will make it, and that is the low risk entry for a person who still dont buy it to enter when it do correction.

3rd, for the PE/EPS, i'm a trader, i dont hold any stock from Quarter to Quarter. I hold 3 weeks, max. Sometimes just 2 weeks, and sometimes when TP has achieve, 1 week. Why on earth i need to hold from Quarter to Quarter to when profit already achieve?

From that statement above, for you, Master Stocking SuperPandir, is noted that i'm a trader, not an investor, so i dont has any business to learn PE/EPS or anything like FA does. It like you ask a badminton player to play tennis with tennis rules. Doesn't make senses.

Stock Master Expert PhD Dr SuperPandir, i has give my buy call as you challenge, complete with Entry, TP and SL, so where is yours? Why do i need to play your game? Now i want play my game. Give me a buy call

Your welcome Sam1026. Hope also that my TP will hit or i'll be the next target after Pmaster. Lol

For as long, that i can't promise. Sometimes it faster than you think, sometimes it take more longer. But price will be there, or somewhere near there. I got my own rules of trading. Usually i will give 2-3 weeks time to stock reach my TP. If not, i will just sell at any price that i can get as ling as it not hit my cut loss target

Sam1026, that is for swing trade only. I ride the trend. I'll wait the price to take a pullback (low swing), buy there, and ride until my target. Always, after i set my TP and already take the profit, the stock will make a low swing again and i buy again, and ride the trend again. I will do it over and over until the trend finish. Hope that help your question brother.

Sinoboy, good if you also found TP at 1.75. It means that soon enough you will be profitable trader. Cheers.

And good night to you.

Tradeshare, any good news about AAX? Interested also with that stock

As for AAX, can't tell yet. Wait until it make higher low, then i know

Sinoboy, if you want to trade at FGV, 1.535 @ 1.54 is a low risk entry. Price maybe rebound there, or maybe not. TP 1.75 look promising. Cut loss 1.52. Good luck to you

Ouh, one more thing Superpanda, if you new in investing, i just want to tell that the buy call price that i put is low risk entry. Means you need to wait the price to hit that level and put your order. At least, if you lose, now you have someone to blame for.

Good luck. (Yes, you need luck. Because this is a game of guessing. Nothing accurated 100%)

Ouh forgive me SuperPanda. I forget about your Evergreen. Here is your TP : 0.53. What? You want a 2nd TP? What a greedy. Here you go TP2 : 0.57

Ouh, now you want a stop loss also? What a lazy creature. Here you go

Topglov : 9.04
Nova Msc : 0.16
Malakoff : 0.86
Malton : 0.45
TM : 3.05
Lionind : 0.65

You dont want buy call for Sapura also?

Here you go

Sapnrg : Buy 0.59 TP 0.645

And if it close below 0.58, close the trade. That is what we call Stop Loss

SuperPanda you want a buy call? Here you are.

Topglov : Buy 9.31 TP 12.08
Nova Msc : Buy 0.17 TP 0.185
Malakoff : Buy 0.895 TP 0.97
Malton : Buy 0.55 TP 0.735
TM : Buy 3.38 TP 4.59

And here is best thing i save for you. You play this stock at this time right?

Lionind : Buy 0.7 TP 0.94

The person who keep barking and cursing about losing trade here, i believe either short term or mid term trader (real investor will not care as they buy and keep for atleast a decade). Don't your sifu teach about cut loss? So why on earth for your stupidity, you keep letting your portfolio bleeding? And if your stop loss is not hitting yet, why on earth are you keep nagging about your loss? Loss is a part of game. Face it. If you can't facing a loss, pull all your capital and keep at ASB, or other mutual fund. It maybe suit with your personality.

Don't get me wrong. Take it as an advice, or as a motivation. Wish good luck to all of you. Peace

When Sapura share has raise 10-20%, this scenario will happen :

1 - All the haters will gone
2 - Try to look like they never said anything
3 - Become the new supporter of the CEO

Have seen many times, has been long enough in this game.

Btw, how long did you guys been in this game? Still can't seen the different between uptrend and downtrend? This counter is in downtrend lor. Which sifu teach you to buy on downtrend? (except for swing trader). You buy on downtrend, the risk is high. All risk is yours. No one force you to buy. It's all your decision to buy on downtrend. And later on, need to find someone to blame for your loss? If this is not a stupidity, i don't know what else. Just sell your share and find other stock. Many stock uptrend now.

Dare to buy a downtrend stock, dare also to face a losing trade like a man.

Did Sapura just form a shooting star?