the thing is... as of now... the current fact and figures that we all know and shown was, this company fundamental is super good ah.... don't forget lor all the positive thing of this company that have already mentioned earlier by few members here lor.... future we dunno so we cant predict 100 accurately and decide... fair enuf la... if we make decision based on all the REAL information we have now, still not sufficient enuf to help u make decision meh

good thing ppl will only collect and keep... furthermore not much left ady for you to collect le.... once u let it go hardly can get it back liao la... can get it back la... pay higher price only la... either you just buy up only without queuing or wait queue la.... when the real wave come... it is going to up real fast.... if u in stock market for long enuf (I mean years of experience) u will know and understand what I trying to say la...

just bear in mind lor.... as of now petronm outstanding share out there is really very less only lor.... so the share price difference of coz will tend to be big lor and very less volume only lor... normal la... their share issued only 270mil... worst still their parent already holding 74% share.... and not yet deduct out those current top 30 shareholders (also dunno they got increase their stake or not in 2017)... plus some of our beloved shareholders here still holding so tight this share.... u imagine la how much share remaining out there....

seems like left only good quality shareholders that still holding this stock as of now....

good advice seng gor.... I learnt

another stress fellow spotted... lol

wa lao early morning only ady so stress some ppl...

just chill and relax guys... slow and steady k.... enjoy your day!

Morning seng gor!

ohn0909 oldeagle I share bro john0909 worries.....................so how abt Petronm not scared ??
21/01/2018 20:55

bro.. petronm i also scare but just not too scare like hengyuan ler... after all petronm share price (as per past few months history) swing together with hengyuan... just not that crazy and volatile like hengyuan la....

maybe should say less worry la (bcoz i still scare la to be honest, maybe buy what stock also will scare la haha)
1. bcoz worst case scenario petronm still giving out dividend la... for me div is the only "solid and real" things i can have instead of those like capital gain la....
2. petronm fundamental.... for me la... i really like petronm net cash position now (zero debt)... ok la i noted that for hengyuan their stock worth really alot and get "consider" that to clear off their debt bla bla bla... but for me la... as long as u not REALLY paid off the debt talk all this is useless for me la lol... then the cash flow power lor... then i like management de direction and planning... bcoz i personally really appreciated so much their effort to "create" a stable and consistent earning in such volatility environment especially in refinery industry.... they are in conservative way of manage which i personally think is good la in such industry.... i ok la personally if u ask me... i dont need a bombastic result for 1 quarter then so scare for what happen to next quarter result ler....
3. petronm business model lor.... well if we all know petronm got retail (stable and predictable earning business) and also refinery lor.... any bad things happen at least they got their retails business to support lor... u can see lor... now retails biz they growing so aggressively and still carry on now and somemore now they want to expand their refinery biz also.... im not those pro that able to see in details like those related mathematically and details numbers like that (like those 14b expansion la, right issue la etc la - im not a smart guy like u guys la).... for me la to be honest la... those guys sitting in the management or board they are really not stupid 1 lor.... they really know better than me (maybe not u all la)... they know what they are doing la... if u not trust the management, really la, dont invest in the company la.... for me i view it in business wise la, i think this move is good for petronm future... those things (for me is details la) like how to finance this project and stuff let them 9 tim la... the team surely make the best decision for this la (dai kor they hold 73% of share ler u think they wan petronm to die meh?).... they also no make noise me ikan bilis only haha....

also hor... fy2017 time is somehow consider a "good time" in terms of crack spread la (pls correct me if im wrong la)... so what if your backup plan la if crack spread die... now crude oil macam in good uptrend now.... personally i really dunno if can affect the next next 1q fy2018 result onot (the cost - apply the same for petronm as well)... as we all know... no need me to say... how volatile is crude oil can be lor....

so after all these.... how to hold hengyuan for long la.... sorry la i m no good i scare....tapi trading buy really good.... very good in earn short term money ler.... really nice to earn good pocket money de....

good luck ya all of us...

i dunno man...if u ask me... buy a bit of hengyuan for trading purposes ok la... buy alot of hengyuan share and hold it i really scare ler... bcoz things are really too unpredictable (if u stay in stock market long enuf u will understand what i say) especially on hengyuan ler..... if 1 quarter of negative eps hengyuan terus can tapao... terus limit down also possible ler... u can check back their past history result yourself la... the closest example is their recent 2q fy2017... if not bcoz of good crack spread and thats a minor maintenance, that quarter also dunno can get negative eps or not, i no say i right la i might be wrong la.... really scare la.... some analysts here sharing good and very details info about refinery industry which is good la... but in my opinion better dont fully trust their analyse la.... after all they are still consider "outsiders" of hengyuan ler... unless u tell me they work in hengyuan know insider news of result then ok la...
the risk is really high man for me la... but hengyuan definitely a really good stock for trading buy ler.... bcoz keep goreng and goreng.... but hold long term i scare die la... i not dare la really sorry....

today is the 2nd highest RED bar 11.6mil trading volume in HRC past 4 years record...
29 Dec 2017 is the top highest RED bar with 12.7mil transacted volume...

hmm..... the sell down volume in these few days damn alot... like today just half time only ady almost 7mil volume....

today volume quite high.... some big players throwing..... you can see it yrself.... who is it i am not sure you think

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so really got stock just up only, some more 1 day up rm1 +/- , and no correction needed... wow...

@invest turtle, in my view I only looking at a net cash and strong cash flow company, and a dividend counter...

yea at least petronm got big div waiting ahead for fy2017

today is just the first day only after result released

200k+ volume drop only, really really thin volume traded as of now...

high volatility is the issue here, u nvr know what will be involved again and happen next

u should refer to brent instead of wti

for shell 100% on refinery lagi bagus

@aseng gor, I like your above comparison, simple and direct, thanks for sharing

yup Mr. probability, agreed as above, it is all just about making money only, as long as one can make money regardless of it is from HRC or PETRONM then it is fine, janji all happy... just manage the risk of your own fund... if one super confidence with HRC, he/she may just put 80-100% of his money to it, if one is 50/50 or less confidence but wanna join the party too, then he/she can also buy some also what... it is all down to the individual and what you believing in... cheers

@Jay, i noticed the same thing as well.

in their report did mention that if too drastic/volatile changes of crude oil price is no good for them, affected them quite, just sharing and something to take note on

just be noted that q1 2017 crude oil price is relatively high (ard usd54) and now on-going q2 2017 crude oil price not doing good, as of now avg price ard usd51-52 if i no wrong, might be lower if current trend persist