seem still a lot of people wish to cut loss before price drops further eh..cut lah...bring it to 0.29, be my guest and make Kenanga happy to have prediction comes true

aiyo..sailing only kah? no flying if like that

sleeping sideway

Oil price was lower back then MAS was making losses too.

forum today so quiet kah?

Muarmali, what price can you buy back? 0.295 again eh...

LOL.....2 cents differnce also ask to sell, after reaching 0.29 then what? buy back?...would you sell because of worry about losing 2 cents?......the analyst has turned into a robot devoid of common sense...classical coconut head

1.5 cent...LOL. I think we should by now be mentally prepared in the event price can drop to 0.27, it's a none event. Also to be prepared that price going higher ain't too fast. Only A380 ma...not Concorde

Ann, be careful on what you wish for :)

In stock market, why only hungry for fundamental news, just look at MHB current chart, muting of rumours and pillow talks, with such chart how wrong one can go? The only question that many wish to aks is the timing - it's now or never or when price goes down further. The other issue is the prolonged KLSE and many bourse up trend, 4 years since the last one (2009), when is the next "bad" time where good fundamental or not, every single stock price goes down. Anyway, with such promising status i.e future undertakings, MHB ought to be in one's watch list. It's current chart seems to go faster than major market crash.....I am not disputing Barton's though :)

Not sure how MMHE is run but it has grown big after taking over its main competitor Sime Semcorp, etc. MMHE is currently the one and the only one of Fab Yard that could handle the fabrication of huge platforms like CPP (Central Processing Platform) that is built for float over installation method. CPP topsides is huge, can be in the region of 20,000 MT, so huge that smaller Fab Yard can't handle! CPP is the in thing for the future Offshore Oil installation as it is the central component to provide compressed gas, water or CO2 for EOR (Enhanced Oil Recovery). EOR would become more and more prominent and years to come because it is currently the most cost effective method to recover oil once the natural reservoir pressure can no longer sustain. With EOR, existing field lifeline is instantly renewed for the next 10 to 20 years of continue & improved production capacity. How terrific it is to continue production of existing field where exploration cost could be saved! But that's not only it, CPP is also automatically become part of the new development i.e. why wait until the reservoir pressure depleted, enhance it from the start, a sure prudent and cost effective idea. Now, where does that place MMHE or MHB from today? Read the recent article in EDGE where a senior Petronas VP said they wish to increase oil and gas production from current 600 to 800 barrel/day, for Malaysia in short time to come. That is not small matter. This translates into more projects and some will have big platforms where only MHB can do. So, MHB will stand clear ahead of the game. The main issue for a successful business is not only good management but monopoly and sound strategies. Think about it.

I am in O&G sector. The report "unfairly single out" is fair view of what's going on.

The notion of big boys control the game often hold us in a fix. We become scared and feel like losers. It is an effort to get out of such mindset. Well, it is unnecessary to submit to them. Least you forget, these fund managers are also human beings, went to schools or unversities just like anyone of us - and they aren't necessarily the top of their classes. There you go, the only thing they have is the fund while their brains either equal or smaller in size (no offence intended). That being the case, traders or retailers should take advantage of their games instead of being afraid. Let them be the victims by offering volume play and we the so called small boys pick up the profits. How to do this is the skill that we should learn. I say, big boys, small boys, are welcome.

If I read the psychology correctly there are 2 groups of people: i) those who had been previously investors and parachuting to very much lower altitude, ii) those who had just bought at low price 0.30ish and about to take off. These 2 groups will have opposite psychology - we could understand. But it's time to move on.

Bro Syed, I am sitting just behind you, hope for safe landing ok...hehehe

My take is that MAS price may go down further although limited especially in the event of KLSE bear raid big time, in which case that would happen to other counters too. Limited in the sense that MAS is cheap, that is if you bought at circa 0.30, it'd be relatively small capital for so many no. of lots. If the price dives to below 0.20 in such scenario, loses percentage wise that would be quite substantial. But for long term and relatively small capital, investors should be able to hold for better nos.

In long term, the price would have to move higher than 0.30, nobody knows exactly when and how much albeit all the TAs and whatnofs...but we could ourselves make our guess. Such guessing is the act of taking risk, facing the unknowns, each with own ideas and aspirations. But each man is his own pretty much. Some people are full of confidence, some not, some have strong faith waiting for the grace of God, etc.

In short term, just in case RHB's prophecies turn out to be true, at 0.40ish is quite a good deal too for buyers at 0.30ish.

For me, I had spent a certain amount to buy a few hundred lots. This is the money that I could afford to lose, it is a risk but low risk. Some sort of a gamble but in true sense I see there are some logics in buying at 0.30, especially the current all time low for a national carrier which is belong to the Government. Should this money stuck in MAS, it is okay because it is a small amount.

On the other hand I am praying days and nights for KLSE and the world stock markets to crash, like in 1998, 2009, like during the black Monday, there would blood, the analysts and stock markets gurus faces turn pale,etc. those is the time that is good for me........so that I could buy cheap cheap...while others run for their lives.

I believe the path toward wealth is quite slow, a little mysterious, requires bundles of luck, self confidence beyond measure, the guts to make decision when need arises and the skill on timing..etc.

As far as MAS is concern such path isn't so clear. I would not dream to make too much money out of it. 2 cents only lar...

I think the people who are selling at 0.31 are those who have no more faith in MAS upside potential..

well better prices are at 0.27 or 0.10...you can wait..Right Issues banyak, EPF lari....common kawan this is stock game, price up and down. In 2009, Maybank made profit, maintained as one of the main KLSE blue chip, but how come it's price was below RM4.0 then and not as high as it is now? If you think it's so simple to make money in stock market just basing your decision on common knowledge, then if such knowledge is the best guidance, then you would be a millionaire via winning in stock market in no time. Otherwise, 2x5.

seriously, even if I use my nenek's punya wang to buy at 0.305, also at my own risk...nanti price sudah naik, you akan kata MAS = mesti ada syiok

AA is one of the most sucessful airlines in the world at present time. Why compared to MAS? Even BA, JAL, SIA, Northwesten, TWA, etc. face challenges. MAS was voted by skytrax as world second best airlines - can't be a status to be simply thrown away. But why make yourself headache with so many anlysis, we are here to make money, buy at 0.30, sell at 0.43 and be happy..:)

bro Syed,just let bro Arv18 continues with his analysis in MAS room, the more the merrier. Beside new term now is "tapau Mc-D"...and apa tu "drug dealer"? Meanwhile I am waiting to laugh all the way to the bank when MAS reaches RHB latest forecast..hehehe

RHB always say "BUY" ? HLG and MIDF 0.28/0.27 belum sampai lagi, apa macam?

bro the oil price circa $100/barrel is here to stay. If it drops, like in 2008/9 would be due to market speculations not due to oil and gas economy. The price is as such due to cost of E%P and depletion of reserve albeit huge undiscovered and undeveloped reserves world wide. US is one of the major oil producer but for the country to become an exporter remain a question. Meanwhile Malaysia would increase O&G production in time to come...can Petronas subsidise MAS?

just wondering home many become millionaires from stock trading...I am not saying there is none but as a form of investment, I don't think share market is the main answer to one millionaire's dream. As far as MAS is concerned, imho if you dare you could be a millionaire buying at the lowest possible price, put all your money there, but the odds against you would be: i) KLSE current bull run is subject to bear raid big time - in time to come; ii) so many share units in MAS that could result in price to be staying side way - maybe at 0.30 for quite sometime; iii) MAS may go below 0.30 as per some people's prophecies resulting in paper loss for 0.30 buyers, iv) unfavorable fundamentals, etc. Meanhile the positive factors include i) GLC company with more focus objectives ii) Current price chart is at all time lows that could limit downside and could go up if there is certain stimulus, etc.

What else to say about MAS that had not been said?

Willingness to become a fool is a good start at anywhere and anytime. Humility is one of the best policies. The beginning of knowledge is the admission of ignorance.

" True to form, you are in the right place, as all delusional fools seem to congregate in MAS..." that include you too arv18, you are here aren't you?

buy at 0.30 and wait... drop to 0.27 also wait, drop to 0.10 also wait...until it goes up again, when reaches 0.38 watch out.. can still wait, at 0.40, etc. depend on how itchy the fingers by then...question is how long the wait will be..if you buy at higher price different case lar

bros, define "smart" hehehe. Sometimes it is smart to be stupid. Stupid people buy low sell high. Smart people hot up for hot stuffs, hot potatoes, new launches, tell you all their winnings, impressive analysis, glued to PC monitor, etc. Stupid people always seem to be left out, surat khabar lama, they buy when people sell, sell when people buy. Smart traders play shares all of their life but when you ask how much have the made overall, they will tell you they made these profits and that profits and it is the truth, only that they would not tell you when they lost and another truth is zero sum gain. Some stupid people drive BMW, live in GG bangalows, high income individual or businessman, but maybe buying MAS shares which some smart people hate...the world we live in is a such. It is all in one's own sphere and perception. Stick to your own conviction you are the best decision maker for your own destiny.

aiesayman....we could argue all day long on who is right or wrong, buy or not...just wait lah..time will tell and then refer to the comments that you have made earlier.

so what's going on with MAS...anymore chance to dive? seems 0.300 is seriously resisting and many ikan bilis are buying at sell bid of 0.31 :)

bro...no makan no luggage but got sexy gals in red skirts! hehehe

I understand bro...you sound like a trader.

I am an investor...I don't go for short term gain.

if small fries nibble at 30 cents how would the big fish wallop them? would they manipulate the price to 27 cents or what if the small fries refuse to sell?...hmmmm wondering

imho, big fish are selling as they don't believe in MAS; they are probably losing or cut loss; I mean how could they make money when they had bought at earlier prices versus current all time lows.......?

People who are buying, like some of us here, naybe fund managers, Syed and myself are just the ordinary retailers, taking advantage at the current low against all the odds, especially company's performances. If the pruchase is going against us, such money is relatively small sum. If otherwise, it would be worth the effort. It's a calculated risk.

However looking at the chart alone or if the you are a chartist, ignoring all fundamentals and bad press about MAS, the updside from current price seems more promising. In KLSE it is not uncommon to see penny stocks multiple in value.....I think I am rambling here..over to you

bro Muarmali - do you think the big fish is losing or profit taking?

0.305 selling queue seem to be all gone - so fast. LOL.

persistent selling at 0.305, I wonder who

there will be times when we cannot buy MAS at 30 sens

not sure what strategy but try queue at 0.30, you won't get filled

maximum1234, after I answered, you deleted your post? cool bro

maximum1234, imho the possibility is remote. MAS has acquired at A380 jets and renewing its fleet as reported: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-06-11/malaysian-air-to-add-a380-jets-to-aid-turnaround-southeast-asia

I was on their A380 flight to Paris recently and it was full.

MAS also has been named second best airline in the world, according to Skytrax, a United Kingdom-based aviation research organisation.

MAS is GLC where Khazanah is the main shareholder.

Read between the lines, what is the chance of MAS goes bankrupt? I say v. remote. And buying at lowest possible price has a lot of upside potential. My opinion only. Buy at your own decision and risk.

Reading Arv18's message to the investors up there, it occurred to me that he is living in the past and applied that to the present. Present time MAS has the lowest price so far, may go down further or even bankrupt (that is if you believe that). The risk of losing buying at rock bottom price (unless MAS goes bankrupt or delisted) is considered low. Thus the so called important information for beginners and novice investors may not be of great help after all. Hope this is intelligent enough for you!

We will gain some experiences from the above 2 different thoughts, Arv18 versus tuan Syed. Discounting all the fundamental advices by Arv18, I am somehow with Syed for now. I think MAS is a dirt cheap counter to accumulate a few hundreds lots. If it goes further down or delisted/bankrupt,cheap counter cost small money only, small esp. for millionaires like tuan S.

If it goes up, say to 40 sens or higher against all odds, then the millionaire will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Funny thing we observe, successful investors often act strange, like when people sell they buy and when people buy they sell.

Such investment philosophy has resulted in them to become millionaires in life. On the other hand, those who are too smart often fail because they make simple things ifficult and difficult things become too simple to them.

Rules of inventments, career, health, etc. are well known to most people. The less smart ones follow them, they buy a cheap price when the smart people don't want. They buy share at major market crash, the buy houses when bubble has bursted, etc. However, we often see, at the end of the days, the seemingly stupid ones make more money, win the girls, healthy living, etc.

So learn to be stupid for a change and you shall be rewarded.

Based on today discussions we shall see - who will make the right call, arv18 or tuan Syed.

.31 or 27 cts, 10% or 3-4 sens difference...imho I don't see this as significant difference to cause buying indecision in medium term scenario or looking at MAS price chart. It is more a question of either you want to buy MAS or not. Should one buy at 27 cents it doesn't create so much advantange unless you buy in millions.

to brother Syed, be cool bro. You kan tahu tin kosong memang bising

flight upgraded alright, was flying with A380 Paris/KL recently. But pramugari dah tua tua :), byk experienced

looking at the chart - forget fundamental for a while, @ 0.30 0r cyrrenr 0.32 is almost rock bottom. Waiting for 0.27 is also fine but risking of miss the boat if MIDF and Warrent Buffet happen to make wrong forecast.

Looking at fundamental - sure, MAS in not making profit, doing badly, but revamped of management it woke up with Idris heading the co. once, as a GLC and a national carrier, plus vision 2020, chance of MAS goes bankrupt or dip below 10 sen is slim IMHO. On the other hand the upside is a lot more.

Say market crash, KLSE crash like 1998 or 2008 or earlier, what would MAS be? 5 sen?, 0 sen?

Fund managers for body like EPF, etc. will continue to buy and sell. Their dumping and accumulating not neccessary related to price movement - they are mostly long term and also EPF fund is not their money. If they don't trade, they what are they supposed to do?

2 cents

pelik juga, kalau epf terror sangat, apasal bagi dividend 5% je? hehehe

i am buying a little bit of MAS lowest possible now...for simple reason that I believe this counter had experienced a good beating. I am a long term investor...I don't BBB now becuase I believe KLSE is overdue..it is as a matter of time...you see major crash. I missed Perisai at 0.80+, look at it now but my reget is small. For a long term dude I buy during 2009 and major crash. MAS is an exception for me, queing for it in a bull KLSE market. cuma nak berkongsi pandangan bos...bukan nak cakap pandai sangat.

bukan soalan percaya atau tidak, jatuh/naik, yes/no siapa pun boleh cakap. kenapa cuma 27sen, rendah lagi tak bleh kah? sebenarnya tiada siapa yang tau sangat