ah duit,

if today can not get 68

tomorrow I put 735

ok or noy?

ah duit,

lu tak patut lah...

I confirm 68

now you come out say 735

what to do?????

ohkn,

so many IT, which one better?

I will go through the annual report, then do the valuation , then share with you

you help me , I help you ma....

don't want to change . confirmed

better put 68 lah....

he already made a few 100%,

he is a smart businessman

you think he can't calculate everyday how much interest he got to pay to cover the margin

moreover, there are signs , he is quietly shifting to other counters

不知死活

one or two year can not cover capex is reasonable, if every year borrow more money to cover is sure die.

not said won't die, just because many are blind

赚大钱？

wa.. wa.. wa...

66 coming ...

better cancel and change to 70 sen

sorry..., got untung doesn't want

ohkns,

mind to share what are the fire element counter?

see whether they meet my buy criteria or not?

I am just playing with KYY gang

I know they will push up the price

don't worry

they have a lot at around 60 sen

just hold

70 sen not a problem

don't sell cheap

but buy cheap

ohkns,

do not be misled by me,

I am very kiasi one,

just now I quietly key in sell at 66 sen

hope can get before market close

ok.....

now wait for 80 sen

80 sen coming...........

the strongest enemy is you youself,

it is most difficult to overcome one's greed

so it is most difficult to sell when the price keep going up

now I suddenly feel don't want to sell , may be 80 sen

80 sen sure sell one

hahaha......

you see how powerful is KYY, he just mentioned hhgroup shoot up 6 sen

I tumpang some at 58 sen

70 sen sell all

profit goes to DAP

let them pump high, 65 sen sell some , 70 sen sell all, do not be greedy,
no doubt it is a good counter, I also like its business activities
but we should buy at a reasonable price, the IV is just around 50 sen
morning , I have bought some at 58 sen, 70 sen I will sell all
if below 55 sen I will buy more

算什么？

算来算去 也不是年年不够钱做生意。

不要害人啦。。。。

KYY 一出 票， 死无葬身之地

不要害人啦。。。。

this old man try to play the trick again
beware !!!!
the intrinsic value of this counter is just around 50 sen
already overvalue
if you do not believe, you may ask someone knows how to calculate the IV
play safe,
do not buy higher than 60 sen
above 60 sen should sell and buy back below 55 sen

if you want excitement, here is not for you.

if want to win big money, here you are right

不要再做梦啦。。。

该醒了。。。。

HIDUP PAKATAN HARAPAN.......

I want a clean government and prosperous MALAYSIA

tell you frankly,

I WILL FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION ALSO

but , I am not greedy , 20% is enough

then I will sell and wait for your next promotion

hahahaha....

good luck to me and to all

see those commend yourself,

how many use their logical brain to think?

most of them said : good sharing , thank you,... and more to come, as you can read after this....

what's the implication ?

" KYY says bought sure go up one...."

are you not contradicting yourself to have mentioned those shares that you are owning a lot ????????

you know very well you have made a successful story in VS

you know very well ,as you have said, "Most investors cannot control their emotion and let it control their logical thinking process" and they will most likely follow your call without using the logical part.


if you are sincere and confident with those counters you mentioned are good buys, then is it necessary to put this disclaimer? "This article is only a lesson and I have no intention to encourage readers to buy or sell the 3 counters I mentioned above because I have a lot of them. If you decide to buy or sell, you are doing it at your own risk"



isn't it clear enough to reflect the possibility of you having the intention to promote these counters that you owning a lot ???

if you conscience is clear , please kindly clarify , why you want to tell what counters you are owning a lot?

why you can't you quote a few examples of those counters that you do not own any share?????

I am very confused, please kindly enlighten me .

bro & sis,

market is a weighting machine. The ultimate winner is always the one who follows the safe route. Believe me SAFE is not always slow , can be FAST and BIG also.

WIN BIG = GADANG + PATIENCE

of course in between you still can play-play for some thrill those counters that you think can win fast.
I had tried that a few times, what's happened?
same people but different answer at different time. not much different from betting on BIG or SMALL in the casino.

how about recommendations from those sifu you have respected?
let me tell you the truth, in fact, all the SIFU are themselves "MUD BUDDHA" , in the water ,all the same, "HOPELESS AND HELPLESS"

then,

what to do?


here are 2 pieces of advice that answer your question.


Posted by apini > Nov 28, 2015 09:36 AM | Report Abuse

Investing Success = Great Company + Time


Posted by bluefun > Dec 2, 2015 01:20 PM | Report Abuse

hold tight tight, my TP upgraded to RM3.50, i can wait for another 1 year and future...


if you still have doubt,

ask Dr pisanggoreng.

If 8 sen for the coming quarter then comfirmed sure no problem tp 3.5

It is not that you can't learn, it is that you are lazy to learn
If you are learnt , then the whole wide world is your battlefield
You may not win all the battles, you will win most of the battles
KC likes to teach, why we don't like to learn
What benefit do you get to mislead the crowd what he is preaching is wrong? just because of something that can be manipulated. FA is one thing, price movement is another thing
OTB also dare not guarantee you will sure win if you subscribe to his program. He is just doing all the hard work of analysis for you because you are lazy. You are the type expecting and waiting for people to give you fish, and you demand a big fish in the shortest period. That's why you find KC on-line course is uninteresting. Believed market is a weighting machine. The ultimate winner is still the one follow the safe route. Believe me SAFE is not always slow , can be FAST and BIG also.
Reap what you have cultivated . Work for your good KARMA.

kcfoe & WinnieFoong

I suggest you join the the online course of KC

If you have the knowledge , you need not have to rely on KYY and his gang to make money

other VS, there are many counter like gadang ,flb, matrix concept,favco,.. so many times better than VS
now I want to 'sailang' on RGB, if you buy below 0.16, MOS not less than 40%, before CNY join me walking smiling quietly to the bank

winnieFong,

lu cakap macam ini tak patut

When did you see him putting down somebody

he only said VS is not a good buy and he did not demand you must agree.

you are new ID but definitely not a newbie in share market

please be fair to Mr Chong, he is promoting his theory ,not promoting any particular shares he is owning a substantial amount, like the good man KYY. he got the similar right not to agree with others,as you are not to agree with him that VS is not a good buy.

I do not see anything wrong with him generously sharing his knowledge of investing that I believe had already help many to had made ton of money, of course, including me also

he did not and never force you to join his course, if you are hard working and willing to learn you will benefit from his sharing

let me share with you a very brave declaration here,

If I have learnt from him, I would not dare to put almost all my money in gadang when it was selling at 1.20. I have already locked in my profit, enough for me to get a new E250 cash money

I also made some money in VS, not much 5 figures only because I know KYY and his gang are powerful men, they can determine the price. but one must 'know enough'because the 80 years old man and his gang not going to hold on the VS shares forever, I do not want to cry no tear one day. dare you say this won't happen some day?

to me no investment is 'SURE WIN' there is some element of luck.
if you know how to calculate or evaluate your risk, then you win happily and lose willing .

RIGHT?




Posted by WinnieFoong > Nov 24, 2015 09:54 PM | Report Abuse


However I feel that it is too bad to put down other people for the sick of self promotion. In order to get more "students".

shinado,

can you please kindly give an example to illustrate you point

KC had already used FCF to calculate IV and it is about 1.3

if you can kindly present the calculation using owner's earning then we can see the different, why there is a difference and which one is more reliable to use to reflects on the strength of the company

thanks.

this territory belong long term value investor with the TP of RM 3.00 in mind.

do not come here to buat malu

if you have missed the boat at 1.4

buy now at 1.90

it is still cheap

the MOS not less than 50%

join us to huat together or see me huat you no huat.

xyxy8,

I like KYY because he is willing to share part of his profit with the poor and needy.
I like KYY because he is brave to speak up the wrong doings of the government.
I believe him because he is a successful businessman
I praise him because all the stocks he bought go sky high
I curse him because when quietly cabut I still gong-gong hold




Posted by xyxy8 > Nov 24, 2015 01:08 AM | Report Abuse

This clever pisanggoreng forgot that KYY has earned millions from the stock market and has donated fifty million to USM just recently. Please tell us how much you have made in the stock market.

Selling pisang goreng is hard earned money

I am more careful

So I learnt and apply a little more constraints to safe guard my money

That is KYY strategy

Definitely not sufficient for a value investor who have a little extra from KC

I am a pisang goreng man not a joke

I learnt all the tricks and treat from KC

If you are also one of his followers

Then you should know even the sharpest analyst also

can go wrong in their assumption

Oh..... ya.

You talk about iv

Tell you frankly

I myself dare not believe 100% the value I have calculated is real

But it does help me to decide whether it is a good buy or not and plan my selling strategy

Why make it so complicated?

Choose the figures that you are comfortable with will settle all problem

Isn't it more realistic.

sunztzhe,

I am not an accountant, I am a roadside selling pisang goreng man.

your question has indeed aroused my interest and curiosity to learn. I immediately checked the investopedia just now, then ,frankly speaking , i feel that you question is not appropriate to ask.

why?

what is re? re , according to investopedia, it is the cost of equity

what is cost of equity?

it is the expected return on their investment in the company by by the

shareholder.

so where got exact and fixed amount .

you ask me , I want 10%, you ask KC , he want 12%, you ask yourself, may

be you want 20%...........

so you see,

who can answer your question other than pisang goreng.

right?


Posted by sunztzhe > Nov 22, 2015 09:47 PM | Report Abuse

Calculating cost of Debt is straightforward. Is 12% a realistic expectation of the Cost of equity for VS shareholders in the industry it competes in??


you talk about realistic figure,

I think you come to help me sell pisang goreng.

isn't it good for you, every time he writes, every time KYY and his gang will push up the price to prove him wrong

share trading is a rich man game, please learn.

KC had said so many times already, " a good company is not necessary a good bet ( investment)"

pisang goreng says : a debt ridden company like VS , may not be a bad bet .

in share market, sometimes common sense does not work

why ?

because there are SHARKS, CROCODILE, IKAN BILIS, LEMBU, BEAR , ETC.

I have a lawyer friend, he doesn't know a shit thing about share valuation, but made ten of million just follow his tycoon friends to buy and sell

how you explain?

just 1 or 2 quarters underperformed for a solid company is not a big deal, in fact it offers an opportunity to buy cheap.

panic sell ?

NO!

why?


fair value : 4.5
future growth rate :5% ( most conservative estimation, just 1% higher than FD)
last price : 3.44
DY : 18/344 = 5%
EPS :32.55 (2013)
33.79(2014)
32.19(2015)
28.75( 2016TTM)

PE= 12
ROIC =21%
NET PROFIT MARGIN =22%
CASH = RM 176,812,000
DEBT = RM 0.00
CR =4.77

correction:

Posted by pisanggoreng > Nov 22, 2015 10:23 AM | Report Abuse X

wise man let money come (to) you,

lay man goes after the money

sit back and relex

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My recommendation for next week.

BUY: GADANG

IV : 3.73 ( 3 valuation model average)

LAST PRICE: 1.88

MOS : 49.6%

EPS: 10.10 (2013)
22.32 (2014)
27.16 (2015)
32.36 (2016TTM)

BUY DO NOT HESITATE. 5 SEN DIVIDEND EXPIRING SOON

no disclaimer made because I tell the truth , none other than the truth

I am sincere, nothing to hide.

I like KYY because he is willing to share part of his profit with the poor and needy.
I like KYY because he is brave to speak up the wrong doings of the government.
I believe him because he is a successful businessman
I praise him because all the stocks he bought go sky high
I curse him because I am not as wise as him

Ungrateful man.

You may do hundred right but one mistake sends you to hell.

You called newbie, but you are not newbie.

You said you want to buy KYY stocks but actually you don't

Right?

The utmost essential lesson for all

WHEN YOU MAKE MONEY KYY IS GOD, WHEN YOU LOSE KYY IS DEVIL

A wise man sometimes can behave foolish also

Here is money can't buy

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Go ahead. Nobody stop you.

Why it should be a fear, it is not a buy call or sell call

I had bought vs before, I had made enough. Now it is your turn to make more if you think you can.

Sharing of view and knowledge should not bring fear

When you told us a lot of people hate statistic, we do not fear, but I am very interested and it seem new to me how your statistics can be twisted and turned into different stories. That is really interesting, I want to learn also. My teacher had never taught me, can you teach me? Please.

A wonderful write up. I have learnt a new thing. Before this I indeed have problem dealing with negative cash flow. Now the cloud is cleared. Thank sifu KC.


your generous sharing of knowledge will definitely further enhance most of us here the skill of stock valuation


May I ask you some questions?

1.About Intrinsic Value, should we adjust the figure after every quarter result?

2. In Graham formula, the no growth PE is 8.5 and 2 times est growth rate, may I know what is the rationale behind these figures ( 8.5 & 2). Are these figures suitable to apply in malaysian market.

THANKS