THIS ARTICLE FIRST POSTED IN YEAR 2017
Many are holding Cash like TTB of Icapbiz due to the uncertainty of
Donald Trump triggering another Stock Market Crash.
One Remisier is already holding 70% cash. Others are keeping to 50%
to 70% in Cash position waiting for another market crash.
And Foreign Funds have pared down their investments in Malaysian
equities to their lowest levels now. Right when KLSE is in weakness &
ringgit has fallen sharply. So they have cut their losses and left for
good?
Ha! I have told many in i3 forum that I only invested 3% of my Capital
in the Stock Market. Why is it so? The answer is this. I have invested
90 over percent of my capital in my own business. And investing only
3% in other people's businesses so far. Yes, investing in the KLSE
equals to investing in other people's businesses.
Never for once did I hold cash. Except for year 1997/98 just before the
onset of the Asian Financial Crisis! How did I escaped the Asian
Financial Crisis?
This is my story.
In those days I was fully invested in Shares. And I just sold Bj Capital at
Rm3.00. The next day to my chagrin Bj Capital jumped to Rm3.80. Let
me quote from my past post
Posted by calvintaneng > Apr 1, 2015 11:51 PM | Report Abuse X
Kcchongnz,
Thanks for highlighting these interesting events.
In 1994 I started investing for the First time. The moment I invested the
market had a mini crash and I got burnt. I missed the Strong Bull Run
of Year 1993. I am so glad looking back that I was not caught in the
euphoria of 1993.
I knew of 4 Business Friends who made a lot of easy money in the
1993 Bull Run. In the Crash of 1997 3 gone bankrupt and disappeared
due to harassment from loan sharks. One lost RM5 millions, one lost
RM3 millions & one RM500K
.
One more 4th Guy who didn't go bankrupt told me this. He said he
made RM800K in the 1993 Bull Run. Money was made in the comfort
of airconditioned room, why sell cars under hot sun?
He kept playing the market till he lost a cool RM2 millions (Rm800K
profit earlier plus RM1.2 million of his own hard earned money).
I am so glad I escaped unscathed.
This was how I escaped. Sometime in 1997 I just sold BJ Capital for
RM3.00. After selling BJ Capital for RM3.00 the next day the price shot
up to RM3.80. Then I sold Aokam Perdana at RM5.00. Again after
selling the next day Aokam rose to RM5.50!
I felt the pain keenly. If still rising, why should I sell?
That afternoon after share market closed, I drove out from the Remisier
Firm in KL. It was drizzling and I saw Alfred, my Remisier's colleague
they called "Big Mouth". Among the 20 or more Stock Brokers in the
Trading Hall was Alfred Ong.
I don't know much about Alfred Ong. What I know was Alfred used to
shout "Gin Gin Chow" in Hokkien or "Run Quick Quick". Since every
body thought he was just a joker few pay him any attention.
As it was starting to rain I stopped the car and asked Alfred where he's
going? He said, "To the Train station to catch a train to Shah Alam".
"Hop in", I told him, as I drove towards KL Train Station.
Then I said,"I just sold BJ Capital & Aokam Perdana. And after selling
both went up to cause me heart pain. I think we are in a bull run & I will
not sell any more share from now."
"Not selling your shares? We need people like You!!" Alfred mocked.
He said further in very serious tone ,"This is Not a bull run at all. This is
but only a bull fart!! You better sell off all your shares & run!"
The KLSE Index was above 1,250 points. He said it will crash through
the 1,000 barrier and drop to 800! A crash of 450 points to be expected.
And he said his brother who worked as a Fund Manager for Singapore
Temasek told him that shares worth RM10.00 to RM20.00 might even
drop to only 50 cents to RM1.00. Sound crazy?
Wow! I was at my peak in euphoria & this fella was telling me "The
Darkest Picture of Doom & Gloom!!" Like coming out from the hottest
sun of summer to the deepest freeze of the bleakest winter. We were
Poles Apart in directions! I was fully optimistic & he was deeply
pessimistic!
I was totally shocked with disbelief as I dropped him off at the train
station.
The next day I went to the share market. And Alfred said, "I just sold all
my last 50% shares finally. I sold off 50% yesterday. And I am now
100% out of the market. He continued, "I also told my wife who is a
Remisier with Omega Securities To completely Sell Off All Her Shares!"
Just then KLSE was a sea of red. Ha! I saw one of my counter still
green. TA Enterprize at RM4.00. So I sold off TA at RM4.00. The next
few days the Share Market rebounded & I sold off more than 70% of
my shares. Still holding 30%. The index has dropped to about 1,100
points by now. I remember selling Kim Him Industry into strength at
RM6.00.
I was waiting for rebound before clearing off the rest. Weeks passed
. Then One Day Mr. Yahya the Proton King's helicopter crashed. He
was killed instantly! The next day 6 Yahya's related counters got
suspended momentarily.
I called my Stock Broker, "Please sell off every last share I still have".
The KLSE Index was now near 1,000 points as I came out 100%!
After that it crashed & crashed to the lowest of 262 points.
I was in Grand Season Hotel when my friend Mr Gan said, "Today
Anwar goes to jail. Dr M imposed Capital Control. On Monday When
Stock Market reopen Dr M will throw RM50 Million PNB Money to push
up Bursa. If not enough he can throw another RM50 Million Petronas
Money". Being quite an illiterate car broker I wondered how Mr. Gan
got such foresight.
On the same weekend, Dynaquest's Boss Dr Neoh Soon Kean came
out with a HEADLINE
page article in Malay Mail, "KLSE At 262 Points Index NOW THE
BARGAIN OF THE CENTURY!"
At 262 points at it lowest I drove with great excitement to the share
market.
What happened then?
And later during the Dot. Com Bubble
I bought 10,000 shares of MPI at RM4.50. MPI later shot up 1,000% to
over RM50.00
Did I make RM500,000?
To be continued...
Posted by kcchongnz > Apr 2, 2015 02:06 PM | Report Abuse
Calvin,
Please carry on with your valuable comments. Oh yeah, I have
incorporated some of your comments in my posts.
Posted by calvintaneng > Apr 2, 2015 07:48 PM | Report Abuse
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Thank you, Kcchongnz,
On the fateful Monday as I arrived in Am Securities of AMBank HQ in
KL I received a call from Mr. Ho. He exclaimed, "Ngor Yiu Tiew Lau" in
cantonese; translated it means, "I want to jump off a tall building (And
commit suicide)"
I froze in my track! This is my mechanic boss who lost RM3 millions.
He had 9 motor repair shops with 70 workers. Everything was gone in
a puff of smoke when KLSE crashed from 1,250 to to 262 points. Mr.
Ho later went into hiding and changed his name twice. My heart sank
as I thought of him.
With index at 262 points I met my Remisier, still shaking with fear that
Mr. Ho might kill himself that morning. My Remisier Mr. Ng looked at
the screen & pointed to Tenanga at RM2.80. "Why don't you just buy a
100,000 shares of TNB for RM280,000?, Mr Ng said. I had no mood to
think about shares then. My worry for my friends distracted me. So I picked only 2,000 shares of AMMB around RM4.20. Looking around I
think AMBank should have survived the crash. And I was correct.
After T + 7 was up I called my remisier. He said, " Your AMMB Already
Gone Up in price. Why don't you contra and take the profit?" I took his
advise and accepted the small contra gain. Only to see AMMB go up all
the way from RM5.00 to RM20.00!
My small fortune just flew away.
I think I did what I did for 3 reasons
1) Mr Ho was the one who brought me first to the share market. If he is
finished I have no other friend talking about shares. And he was a
passionate punter.
2) Mr. Alfred Ong is another gambler. He said, "Forget about PE
because PE stands for Punter's Expectation." In fact Aflred lost
RM600,000 when KLSE Crashed on January 1994 right after the KLSE
Bull Run ended in December 1993. Alfred's father bailed him out then.
So Alfred practiced hit & run tactic all the time although he could read
the market and pick the correct stocks. Buy and hold was not in Alfred's
vocabulary.
3) And I have yet to read "THE INTELLIGENT INVESTOR". That's 9
more years away in Year 2006 when I first read it. And it really opened
my eyes!
So, Kcchongnz, if you were around then with your investment advice I
would have made lots more money.
This same method of hit & run and not holding longer term also caused
me to sell MPI so early in the bull run in year 2,000. I bought 10,000
shares of MPI at RM4.50 but sold it before it crossed RM5.00. After
selling it was my everlasting regret to see MPI rise & rise all the way to
RM50,000 a share. A huge fortune flew away!
Note:
One day I bought a Company car from Guolene Metal Can, a
subsidiary company of MPI. The Accountant told me MPI is making lots
of money. By then MPI has already crossed RM30.00. Too high for me
to chase.
Only after many years later Alfred told me about "buy and hold"
strategy. And before Alfred migrated to Melbourne, Australia, he gave
me "Beating The Street" by Peter Lynch. I owe Alfred a big debt for
what he did at the most crucial moment of my investing life. If not for
him my future course would be quite different.
Note:
My 3 Friends who lost
1) Mr. N of Batu Pahat lost RM5 Millions. He owed the banks & loan
sharks. He also caused 6 of his own relatives to go bankrupt during the
1997 KLSE Crash when each name could borrow up RM200,000 each.
All in all these 6 relatives became victims of his greed when Mr. N ran
away & disappeared. Currently Mr. N is a part time car broker. He was
the 2nd Riches Car Dealer in Batu Pahat at one time
2) Mr Ho of SP Motor has 9 car repair shops with 70 employees. One
day he brought me to see his mezzanine floor office in Sri Petaling (SP
Motor means Sri Petaling Motor). It was newly renovated for
RM50,000. He boasted that "All these renovations are free due to his
winnings from KLSE" It sounded so easy to make money in the Gogo
years. Until crisis struck he lost everything & ran away into hiding from
loan sharks.
After he resurfaced he told before the crisis he had net net of RM3
millions. I asked him why not sell away SP Motor & just retire with RM3
millions then. He said he wanted to make SP Motor a Public Listed
Company. All it was all gone in the Crash of KLSE.
3) Mr Lee of Sungai Way/Subang also lost RM500,000 in the Share
Market & went into hiding. Mr. Lee was the first to contact me after 3
months. For Mr. N & Mr Ho they only contacted me after 6 months to a
year when harassment from loan sharks subsided.
(Calvin comments: See I have warned and warned about gambling in
i3 forum about ifca, sumatech, vsolar, xox and other dangerous
overvalued hot air balloon stocks!! I hope someone will escape losses
like the fate of Mr. Neoh, Mr. Ho & Mr. Lee!!))
Posted by kcchongnz > Apr 3, 2015 05:14 AM | Report Abuse
Calvin,
Excellent relate of you true experience in the stock market. I hope you
don't mind I will be using some of your examples in my book later.
I would like to summarize some points in your comments.
1)The stock market can offer one excellent opportunity to build up
wealth. Imagine if you have invested after the crash of 1998 when KLCI
dropped to its lowest at 262?
2)The market is also a place where huge destruction of wealth occurs
as shown by Calvin's narration of his friends punting experience in the
stock market. Some of them were contemplating suicide. Well it
happened to the legendary trader Jesse Livermore.
3) Market is unpredictable. So don't be greedy like Calvin's three
friends who already had a few million net worth which was substantial
in 1998, and wanted to make more by borrowing huge amount of
money. Yes, never borrow money to invest. Never use margin
financing. It is extremely difficult for you to get up after these kinds of
fall if you borrow to speculate. Some people made big gain by
leveraging and boast around, but most of them having seen a black
swan before. There would be a few times more people who used
margin finance and lost their underwear. Of course these people
wouldn't tell you that.
4) Do invest in the stock market, note the word "invest". Invest with the
money you have, and can afford to put there for years. As we have
seen, market is a place to build long-term wealth. See how after the
crisis, good stocks all recovered and to much higher prices even before
the plunge; Maybank, Public Bank, Nestle, BAT, Tenaga, Guiness, and
many more.
5) Is it really easy to time the market as posted by Kevin here?
Posted by Kevin Wong > Apr 2, 2015 11:27 AM | Report Abuse
who said its impossible to time mkt, Bogle got it all wrong!
Anyone foresaw that the Second Board Index ran up by 156% to 656
points in just 16 months on March 1997? And who had timed it
correctly by selling their shares off then before SBI plunged to by 43%
in just 5 months, up 32% one month later, and then crashed by 62% to
77 points half a year later at the end of August 1998?
Bogle's data were based on academic research with all the rigorous
computer back testing. He didn't just plug figures from the sky. What is
the basis of that statement that states that "Bogle got it all wrong?"
Calvin continues..
So since that time of 1997/98 Crisis I have always invested defensively.
And when I visted USA in 1999 I saw the Subprime Reckless Lending
by Banks
I quote from my past article:
8) THE US HOUSING BUBBLE & SUB PRIME PROBLEMS.
Of all problems created this is perhaps the most dangerous and
damnable!
In Year 1999 we paid a visit to the US – San Francisco, California, Los
Angeles, Las Vegas, Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, Universal Studio,
Nevada & Beverly Hills (Hollywood).
What a Great Nation is the US!
However, everywhere we went, we saw flyers & handbills in the bins
provided. At every street corners you will see huge piles of free printed
materials for the taking.
Let’s take one and see what is it? It says, “WANT TO BORROW
MONEY?” So Easy. It went on to say, “No Job?” No Problem. “No
Income?”. No Problem. “No Asset?” No Problem. “Are You
Blacklisted?” No Problem. “Are You A Bankrupt?” Also No Problem!
Come and See Us!!
You can find these handbills – yes, millions and millions of them in Los
Angeles, Las Vegas & California & San Francisco. At that time we don’t
know what’s going on in USA. We sensed that something must be
wrong.
Now we know. The Housing Bubble had burst. The loans given out
from Year 1999 to 2006 were called Liar Loans or also called “NINJA”
Loans. The word “NINJA” stands for “No Income, No Job & No Asset”
Loans.
And because under normal circumstances these people will never, ever
qualify for a housing loan. Unless they are willing to Pay A Higher
Interest Rate. You see, they don’t qualify as Prime Borrowers Who
Have Jobs & Assets as collateral.
Since they don’t have proper jobs they are Classified as Sub prime –
And so Pay Higher Interest for added risks. And they are risky indeed.
Compounded by the following reasons Risk has spread Over the Entire
World!
Since the US is no longer competitive, they fiddled with low interest
rates to promote growth by cheap credit. Here, let us share our US
Hired Car Experience. One Day we rented a US made car for a day trip
to Hoover Dam & Lake Mead.
We found out to our amazement the low quality of the US made car.
You see, the automatic window on the driver side cannot close
properly. Even the Malaysian made Proton Saga is better than the US
made car. And US put the first man on the moon?
As the US cannot compete externally, it turned inward and created the
NASDAQ Bubble. When Internet Technology Shares Crashed in Year
2,000 – Attention Shifted To The Great US Housing Bubble.
Suddenly, everyone is caught up in The Housing Frenzy! Prices stared
to rise and rise till Year 2006. And with Rising Equity In House Prices
The Masses Started To Speculate,
Borrow and Spend, Borrow and Spend. The Great American Dream Is
Here At Last! Your Home Is Your ATM Or Cash Cow.
Let’s Say, “House Prices Started in Year 2,000 at US$50,000. And
jumped US$50,000 every year till 2006. In year 2001 Prices Have
doubled to US$100,000. Year 2002 US$150,000. Year 2003
US$200,000. Year 2004 US$250,000.
You see, the Frenzy of Price Rise Year after Year has caught many by
surprise. Suddenly, they feel very rich.
At every US$50,000 price gain they could refinance the house and take
out another US$50,000 for consumption.
Buy that new car this year!
Next Year – Price gone up another US$50,000. Refinance again. And
get that US$50K. Buy that New boat for fishing.
So they go from BANK A to BANK B,then to Bank C,and then to Bank
D & E. They Change Banks like Changing clothes! Every year go to a
different Bank for Refinancing and get another US$50K for
consumption.
Consumption? Yes. The wastrel American spent as though there is no
tomorrow. Prices will only go up. The sky is the limit.
But how come the Banks are so foolish? Don’t they know that there is
great risk and money lent out will never be paid back? What if the
bubble burst? Of course they do.
They have vested interests- these Bank officers. In cahoots with
Housing Agents, Valuers & Credit Assessors they give out Liar Loans
to borrowers.
Someone who is a road sweeper, is given a title called “President of
Health Department”. Property value is overstated. Liar Loans are given
out for kick backs & commissions. The Go-Go years Of US Housing
Bubbles.
Prices Will Go Up Next Year. So easy. Just Refinance It For A Higher
Price With Another Sucker Bank! Everyone is making money, who
cares?
And So The Banks Gave Out Trillions and Trillions of Liar Loans. And
something new and funny (fishy) happened.
These Banks Lumped & Bundled Together These Loans that were
Given Out At High Interest Rates With Projected High Profits. Then
They Sell Them Like Bonds Called “COLLATERALIZED DEBT
OBLIGATIONS” Or CDO.
Collateralized by What? By These Houses At Bubble Prices, Of
Course. And “Debt Obligations” by Who? By the road sweeper called
“President of Health Department”. In Malaysia, we call them
“Longkang” cleaner. And chances are they will never, ever be repaid –
all these liar loans with so called “sub prime higher interests”.
And now these packaged millions and millions of CDOs are Sold All
Around the World To Banks in USA, UK, Germany & Many Other
Countries. Thank God that Malaysia Is Not One Of Them. According to
the Economist Marc Faber, Malaysian Banking System Is Very Sound.
Some years ago, Singapore Newspapers Advertised “Mini Bonds” at
5% Interest rates. Many who bought got into trouble later. So were
those in Hong Kong. Some have lost their entire life savings.
You see, By Selling these packaged CDOs, the Risk is transferred from
the US Banks To Foreign Banks All Over The World. And if Your Local
Banks Happen To Be The Unfortunate Ones, and If They Sell Them To
You As Mini Bonds – Then You Are At Risk Yourself!
Those Banks That Swallowed These Toxic CDOs Have Gone Bankrupt
Or Taken Over One By One – LEHMAN BROTHERS, BEAR
STEARNS, MERRILL LYNCH, MORGAN STANLEY, GOLDMAN
SACHS & MANY OTHERS…
To Prevent Further Insolvency Or Bankruptcy, The Federal Reserve
Improvised QE & Pumped Trillions And Trillions Of Fiat Money Into The
US Banking System.
Until today Many Banks In Many Countries On This Planet Earth Still
Have Unresolved, Toxic and Poisonous CDOs in their Falsified Balance
Sheets.
No one knows WHICH IS THE NEXT BANK or WHICH IS THE NEXT
COUNTRY TO GO BURST! And many properties in the US Are Still
Under Water. The Day of Reckoning is postponed indefinitely by
Continual QE.
Calvin updates:
In year 2005 George Soros came out to warn about the US Subprime
Bubble. And I sold off all my shares again except OPCOM.
OPCOM was an isolated & insulated stock when I bought as low as 30
cts then. And it gave good dividends throughout the Crisis.
Now I am not into Cash anymore because of these 2 reasons:
1) US HAS INVENTED THE MONEY PRINTING MACHINE CALLED
QUANTITATIVE EASING. SO IS JAPAN, BRITIAN & ALL OTHER
COUNTRIES JOINING IN THE NEW GAME OF CREATING FIAT
CURRENCIES FROM THIN AIR.
So the equation has totally changed! People like TTB of ICapbiz has
held on to cash for more than 5 years now. I think he will be holding
cash for an indefinite number of years more as Trump will start printing
another US$1 Trillion for US Infrarstructure jobs. The US Debt Clock
has now crossed US$18 TRILLION. (LATEST USD28 TRILLIONS)
When Obama started his
Presidency US Debt was $10 Trillion. He ended his term when US
Debt crossed US$18 Trillion (Up by over 70%)
See http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://dailysignal.com/2014/12/03/since-obama-took-office-federal-debt-
increased-almost-70-percent/
2) SO INSTEAD OF HOLDING CASH AS A FORM OF SAFETY. CASH
ITSELF IS NOW NOT SAFE AT ALL DUE TO RAMPAGING MONEY
PRINTING AND ENDLESS INFLATION!
I thought of the time 50 years ago when I was a young boy. A red bean
bun (tau sar pau) cost only 10 cents each. Coffee was also 10 cents a
cup.
Today a red bean pau cost Rm1.70 each.
So it has gone up from 10 cents to Rm1.70 in 50 years or an
astounding 32% inflation per year.
Just think. The guy who kept his money in the bank earning a
compound 3% to 6% interest a year is now suffering from the
devastation of his new wealth. He will end up in poverty in his golden years.
Will the market crash again like 1997/8 & 2007/8? I really don't know
for sure. But I think we are now into another time zone of the newly
fangled peril of one QE after another QE.
I hope all i3 forumers will invest carefully through these difficult times.
This is the Top Secret of Investment
The time to buy is when prices are cheap. Price to book value is low. This qualifies Calvin's 3rd Investment Rule
HE THAT IS LOW NEEDS FEAR NO FALL
The time to sell is when everybody else is excited!
Happy investing
Best regards
Calvin Tan
Jurong West, SingaporeMany are holding Cash like TTB of Icapbiz due
to the uncertainty of Dnoald Trump triggering another Stock Market
Crash.
One Remisier is already holding 70% cash. Others are keeping to 50%
to 70% in Cash position waiting for another market crash.
And Foreign Funds have pared down their investments in Malaysian
equities to their lowest levels now. Right when KLSE is in weakness &
ringgit has fallen sharply. So they have cut their losses and left for
good?
Ha! I have told many in i3 forum that I only invested 3% of my Capital
(LATEST UPDATE 12 DECEMBER 2021:
CALVIN INVESTED 90% AVAILABLE CASH INTO THESE 6 PALM OIL
SHARES: TAANN, SOP, TSH RESOURCES, THPLANT, JTIASA &
BPLANT)
in the Stock Market. Why is it so? The answer is this. I have invested
90 over percent of my capital in my own business. And investing only
3% in other people's businesses so far. Yes, investing in the KLSE
equals to investing in other people's businesses.
Never for once did I hold cash. Except for year 1997/98 just before the
onset of the Asian Financial Crisis! How did I escaped the Asian
Financial Crisis?
This is my story.
In those days I was fully invested in Shares. And I just sold Bj Capital at
Rm3.00. The next day to my chagrin Bj Capital jumped to Rm3.80. Let
me quote from my past post
Posted by calvintaneng > Apr 1, 2015 11:51 PM | Report Abuse X
Kcchongnz,
Thanks for highlighting these interesting events.
In 1994 I started investing for the First time. The moment I invested the
market had a mini crash and I got burnt. I missed the Strong Bull Run
of Year 1993. I am so glad looking back that I was not caught in the
euphoria of 1993.
I knew of 4 Business Friends who made a lot of easy money in the
1993 Bull Run. In the Crash of 1997 3 gone bankrupt and disappeared
due to harassment from loan sharks. One lost RM5 millions, one lost
RM3 millions & one RM500K.
One more 4th Guy who didn't go bankrupt told me this. He said he
made RM800K in the 1993 Bull Run. Money was made in the comfort
of airconditioned room, why sell cars under hot sun?
He kept playing the market till he lost a cool RM2 millions (Rm800K
profit earlier plus RM1.2 million of his own hard earned money).
I am so glad I escaped unscathed.
This was how I escaped. Sometime in 1997 I just sold BJ Capital for
RM3.00. After selling BJ Capital for RM3.00 the next day the price shot
up to RM3.80. Then I sold Aokam Perdana at RM5.00. Again after
selling the next day Aokam rose to RM5.50!
I felt the pain keenly. If still rising, why should I sell?
That afternoon after share market closed, I drove out from the Remisier
Firm in KL. It was drizzling and I saw Alfred, my Remisier's colleague
they called "Big Mouth". Among the 20 or more Stock Brokers in the
Trading Hall was Alfred Ong.
I don't know much about Alfred Ong. What I know was Alfred used to
shout "Gin Gin Chow" in Hokkien or "Run Quick Quick". Since every
body thought he was just a joker few pay him any attention.
As it was starting to rain I stopped the car and asked Alfred where he's
going? He said, "To the Train station to catch a train to Shah Alam".
"Hop in", I told him, as I drove towards KL Train Station.
Then I said,"I just sold BJ Capital & Aokam Perdana. And after selling
both went up to cause me heart pain. I think we are in a bull run & I will
not sell any more share from now."
"Not selling your shares? We need people like You!!" Alfred mocked.
He said further in very serious tone ,"This is Not a bull run at all. This is
but only a bull fart!! You better sell off all your shares & run!"
The KLSE Index was above 1,250 points. He said it will crash through
the 1,000 barrier and drop to 800! A crash of 450 points to be expected.
And he said his brother who worked as a Fund Manager for Singapore
Temasek told him that shares worth RM10.00 to RM20.00 might even
drop to only 50 cents to RM1.00. Sound crazy?
Wow! I was at my peak in euphoria & this fella was telling me "The
Darkest Picture of Doom & Gloom!!" Like coming out from the hottest
sun of summer to the deepest freeze of the bleakest winter. We were
Poles Apart in directions! I was fully optimistic & he was deeply
pessimistic!
I was totally shocked with disbelief as I dropped him off at the train
station.
The next day I went to the share market. And Alfred said, "I just sold al
l my last 50% shares finally. I sold off 50% yesterday. And I am now
100% out of the market. He continued, "I also told my wife who is a
Remisier with Omega Securities To completely Sell Off All Her Shares!"
Just then KLSE was a sea of red. Ha! I saw one of my counter still
green. TA Enterprize at RM4.00. So I sold off TA at RM4.00. The next
few days the Share Market rebounded & I sold off more than 70% of
my shares. Still holding 30%. The index has dropped to about 1,100
points by now. I remember selling Kim Him Industry into strength at
RM6.00.
I was waiting for rebound before clearing off the rest. Weeks passed.
Then One Day Mr. Yahya the Proton King's helicopter crashed. He was
killed instantly! The next day 6 Yahya's related counters got suspended
momentarily.
I called my Stock Broker, "Please sell off every last share I still have"
.
The KLSE Index was now near 1,000 points as I came out 100%!
After that it crashed & crashed to the lowest of 262 points.
I was in Grand Season Hotel when my friend Mr Gan said, "Today
Anwar goes to jail. Dr M imposed Capital Control. On Monday When
Stock Market reopen Dr M will throw RM50 Million PNB Money to push
up Bursa. If not enough he can throw another RM50 Million Petronas
Money". Being quite an illiterate car broker I wondered how Mr. Gan
got such foresight.
On the same weekend, Dynaquest's Boss Dr Neoh Soon Kean came
out with a HEADLINE
page article in Malay Mail, "KLSE At 262 Points Index NOW THE
BARGAIN OF THE CENTURY!"
At 262 points at it lowest I drove with great excitement to the share market.
What happened then?
And later during the Dot. Com Bubble
I bought 10,000 shares of MPI at RM4.50. MPI later shot up 1,000% to
over RM50.00
Did I make RM500,000?
To be continued...
Posted by kcchongnz > Apr 2, 2015 02:06 PM | Report Abuse
Calvin,
Please carry on with your valuable comments. Oh yeah, I have
incorporated some of your comments in my posts.
Posted by calvintaneng > Apr 2, 2015 07:48 PM | Report Abuse
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Thank you, Kcchongnz,
On the fateful Monday as I arrived in Am Securities of AMBank HQ in
KL I received a call from Mr. Ho. He exclaimed, "Ngor Yiu Tiew Lau" in
cantonese; translated it means, "I want to jump off a tall building (And
commit suicide)"
I froze in my track! This is my mechanic boss who lost RM3 millions.
He had 9 motor repair shops with 70 workers. Everything was gone in
a puff of smoke when KLSE crashed from 1,250 to to 262 points. Mr.
Ho later went into hiding and changed his name twice. My heart sank
as I thought of him.
With index at 262 points I met my Remisier, still shaking with fear that
Mr. Ho might kill himself that morning. My Remisier Mr. Ng looked at
the screen & pointed to Tenanga at RM2.80. "Why don't you just buy a
100,000 shares of TNB for RM280,000?, Mr Ng said. I had no mood to
think about shares then. My worry for my friends distracted me. So I
picked only 2,000 shares of AMMB around RM4.20. Looking around I
think AMBank should have survived the crash. And I was correct.
After T + 7 was up I called my remisier. He said, " Your AMMB Already
Gone Up in price. Why don't you contra and take the profit?" I took his
advise and accepted the small contra gain. Only to see AMMB go up all
the way from RM5.00 to RM20.00!
My small fortune just flew away.
I think I did what I did for 3 reasons
1) Mr Ho was the one who brought me first to the share market. If he is
finished I have no other friend talking about shares. And he was a
passionate punter.
2) Mr. Alfred Ong is another gambler. He said, "Forget about PE
because PE stands for Punter's Expectation." In fact Aflred lost
RM600,000 when KLSE Crashed on January 1994 right after the KLSE
Bull Run ended in December 1993. Alfred's father bailed him out then.
So Alfred practiced hit & run tactic all the time although he could read
the market and pick the correct stocks. Buy and hold was not in Alfred's
vocabulary.
3) And I have yet to read "THE INTELLIGENT INVESTOR". That's 9
more years away in Year 2006 when I first read it. And it really opened
my eyes!
So, Kcchongnz, if you were around then with your investment advice I
would have made lots more money.
This same method of hit & run and not holding longer term also caused
me to sell MPI so early in the bull run in year 2,000. I bought 10,000
shares of MPI at RM4.50 but sold it before it crossed RM5.00. After
selling it was my everlasting regret to see MPI rise & rise all the way to
RM50,000 a share. A huge fortune flew away!
Note:
One day I bought a Company car from Guolene Metal Can, a
subsidiary company of MPI. The Accountant told me MPI is making lots
of money. By then MPI has already crossed RM30.00. Too high for me
to chase.
Only after many years later Alfred told me about "buy and hold"
strategy. And before Alfred migrated to Melbourne, Australia, he gave
me "Beating The Street" by Peter Lynch. I owe Alfred a big debt for
what he did at the most crucial moment of my investing life. If not for
him my future course would be quite different.
Note:
My 3 Friends who lost
1) Mr. N of Batu Pahat lost RM5 Millions. He owed the banks & loan
sharks. He also caused 6 of his own relatives to go bankrupt during the
1997 KLSE Crash when each name could borrow up RM200,000 each.
All in all these 6 relatives became victims of his greed when Mr. N ran
away & disappeared. Currently Mr. N is a part time car broker. He was
the 2nd Riches Car Dealer in Batu Pahat at one time
2) Mr Ho of SP Motor has 9 car repair shops with 70 employees. One
day he brought me to see his mezzanine floor office in Sri Petaling (SP
Motor means Sri Petaling Motor). It was newly renovated for
RM50,000. He boasted that "All these renovations are free due to his
winnings from KLSE" It sounded so easy to make money in the Gogo
years. Until crisis struck he lost everything & ran away into hiding from
loan sharks.
After he resurfaced he told before the crisis he had net net of RM3
millions. I asked him why not sell away SP Motor & just retire with RM3
millions then. He said he wanted to make SP Motor a Public Listed
Company. All it was all gone in the Crash of KLSE.
3) Mr Lee of Sungai Way/Subang also lost RM500,000 in the Share
Market & went into hiding. Mr. Lee was the first to contact me after 3
months. For Mr. N & Mr Ho they only contacted me after 6 months to a
year when harassment from loan sharks subsided.
(Calvin comments: See I have warned and warned about gambling in
i3 forum about ifca, sumatech, vsolar, xox and other dangerous
overvalued hot air balloon stocks!! I hope someone will escape losses
like the fate of Mr. Neoh, Mr. Ho & Mr. Lee!!))
Posted by kcchongnz > Apr 3, 2015 05:14 AM | Report Abuse
Calvin,
Excellent relate of you true experience in the stock market. I hope you
don't mind I will be using some of your examples in my book later.
I would like to summarize some points in your comments.
1)The stock market can offer one excellent opportunity to build up
wealth. Imagine if you have invested after the crash of 1998 when KLCI
dropped to its lowest at 262?
2)The market is also a place where huge destruction of wealth occurs
as shown by Calvin's narration of his friends punting experience in the
stock market. Some of them were contemplating suicide. Well it
happened to the legendary trader Jesse Livermore.
3) Market is unpredictable. So don't be greedy like Calvin's three
friends who already had a few million net worth which was substantial
in 1998, and wanted to make more by borrowing huge amount of
money. Yes, never borrow money to invest. Never use margin
financing. It is extremely difficult for you to get up after these kinds of
fall if you borrow to speculate. Some people made big gain by
leveraging and boast around, but most of them having seen a black
swan before. There would be a few times more people who used
margin finance and lost their underwear. Of course these people
wouldn't tell you that.
4) Do invest in the stock market, note the word "invest". Invest with the
money you have, and can afford to put there for years. As we have
seen, market is a place to build long-term wealth. See how after the
crisis, good stocks all recovered and to much higher prices even before
the plunge; Maybank, Public Bank, Nestle, BAT, Tenaga, Guiness, and
many more.
5) Is it really easy to time the market as posted by Kevin here?
Posted by Kevin Wong > Apr 2, 2015 11:27 AM | Report Abuse
who said its impossible to time mkt, Bogle got it all wrong!
Anyone foresaw that the Second Board Index ran up by 156% to 656
points in just 16 months on March 1997? And who had timed it
correctly by selling their shares off then before SBI plunged to by 43%
in just 5 months, up 32% one month later, and then crashed by 62% to
77 points half a year later at the end of August 1998?
Bogle's data were based on academic research with all the rigorous
computer back testing. He didn't just plug figures from the sky. What is
the basis of that statement that states that "Bogle got it all wrong?"
Calvin continues..
So since that time of 1997/98 Crisis I have always invested defensively.
And when I visted USA in 1999 I saw the Subprime Reckless Lending
by Banks
I quote from my past article:
8) THE US HOUSING BUBBLE & SUB PRIME PROBLEMS.
Of all problems created this is perhaps the most dangerous and
damnable!
In Year 1999 we paid a visit to the US – San Francisco, California, Los
Angeles, Las Vegas, Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, Universal Studio,
Nevada & Beverly Hills (Hollywood).
What a Great Nation is the US!
However, everywhere we went, we saw flyers & handbills in the bins
provided. At every street corners you will see huge piles of free printed
materials for the taking.
Let’s take one and see what is it? It says, “WANT TO BORROW
MONEY?” So Easy. It went on to say, “No Job?” No Problem. “No
Income?”. No Problem. “No Asset?” No Problem. “Are You
Blacklisted?” No Problem. “Are You A Bankrupt?” Also No Problem!
Come and See Us!!
You can find these handbills – yes, millions and millions of them in Los
Angeles, Las Vegas & California & San Francisco. At that time we don’t
know what’s going on in USA. We sensed that something must be
wrong.
Now we know. The Housing Bubble had burst. The loans given out
from Year 1999 to 2006 were called Liar Loans or also called “NINJA”
Loans. The word “NINJA” stands for “No Income, No Job & No Asset”
Loans.
And because under normal circumstances these people will never, ever
qualify for a housing loan. Unless they are willing to Pay A Higher
Interest Rate. You see, they don’t qualify as Prime Borrowers Who
Have Jobs & Assets as collateral.
Since they don’t have proper jobs they are Classified as Sub prime –
And so Pay Higher Interest for added risks. And they are risky indeed.
Compounded by the following reasons Risk has spread Over the Entire
World!
Since the US is no longer competitive, they fiddled with low interest
rates to promote growth by cheap credit. Here, let us share our US
Hired Car Experience. One Day we rented a US made car for a day trip
to Hoover Dam & Lake Mead.
We found out to our amazement the low quality of the US made car.
You see, the automatic window on the driver side cannot close
properly. Even the Malaysian made Proton Saga is better than the US
made car. And US put the first man on the moon?
As the US cannot compete externally, it turned inward and created the
NASDAQ Bubble. When Internet Technology Shares Crashed in Year
2,000 – Attention Shifted To The Great US Housing Bubble.
Suddenly, everyone is caught up in The Housing Frenzy! Prices stared
to rise and rise till Year 2006. And with Rising Equity In House Prices
The Masses Started To Speculate,
Borrow and Spend, Borrow and Spend. The Great American Dream Is
Here At Last! Your Home Is Your ATM Or Cash Cow.
Let’s Say, “House Prices Started in Year 2,000 at US$50,000. And
jumped US$50,000 every year till 2006. In year 2001 Prices Have
doubled to US$100,000. Year 2002 US$150,000. Year 2003
US$200,000. Year 2004 US$250,000.
You see, the Frenzy of Price Rise Year after Year has caught many by
surprise. Suddenly, they feel very rich.
At every US$50,000 price gain they could refinance the house and take
out another US$50,000 for consumption.
Buy that new car this year!
Next Year – Price gone up another US$50,000. Refinance again. And
get that US$50K. Buy that New boat for fishing.
So they go from BANK A to BANK B,then to Bank C,and then to Bank
D & E. They Change Banks like Changing clothes! Every year go to a
different Bank for Refinancing and get another US$50K for
consumption.
Consumption? Yes. The wastrel American spent as though there is no
tomorrow. Prices will only go up. The sky is the limit.
But how come the Banks are so foolish? Don’t they know that there is
great risk and money lent out will never be paid back? What if the
bubble burst? Of course they do.
They have vested interests- these Bank officers. In cahoots with
Housing Agents, Valuers & Credit Assessors they give out Liar Loans
to borrowers.
Someone who is a road sweeper, is given a title called “President of
Health Department”. Property value is overstated. Liar Loans are given
out for kick backs & commissions. The Go-Go years Of US Housing
Bubbles.
Prices Will Go Up Next Year. So easy. Just Refinance It For A Higher
Price With Another Sucker Bank! Everyone is making money, who
cares?
And So The Banks Gave Out Trillions and Trillions of Liar Loans. And
something new and funny (fishy) happened.
These Banks Lumped & Bundled Together These Loans that were
Given Out At High Interest Rates With Projected High Profits. Then
They Sell Them Like Bonds Called “COLLATERALIZED DEBT
OBLIGATIONS” Or CDO.
Collateralized by What? By These Houses At Bubble Prices, Of
Course. And “Debt Obligations” by Who? By the road sweeper called
“President of Health Department”. In Malaysia, we call them
“Longkang” cleaner. And chances are they will never, ever be repaid –
all these liar loans with so called “sub prime higher interests”
.
And now these packaged millions and millions of CDOs are Sold All
Around the World To Banks in USA, UK, Germany & Many Other
Countries. Thank God that Malaysia Is Not One Of Them. According to
the Economist Marc Faber, Malaysian Banking System Is Very Sound.
Some years ago, Singapore Newspapers Advertised “Mini Bonds” at
5% Interest rates. Many who bought got into trouble later. So were
those in Hong Kong. Some have lost their entire life savings.
You see, By Selling these packaged CDOs, the Risk is transferred from
the US Banks To Foreign Banks All Over The World. And if Your Local
Banks Happen To Be The Unfortunate Ones, and If They Sell Them To
You As Mini Bonds – Then You Are At Risk Yourself!
Those Banks That Swallowed These Toxic CDOs Have Gone Bankrupt
Or Taken Over One By One – LEHMAN BROTHERS, BEAR
STEARNS, MERRILL LYNCH, MORGAN STANLEY, GOLDMAN
SACHS & MANY OTHERS…
To Prevent Further Insolvency Or Bankruptcy, The Federal Reserve
Improvised QE & Pumped Trillions And Trillions Of Fiat Money Into The
US Banking System.
Until today Many Banks In Many Countries On This Planet Earth Still
Have Unresolved, Toxic and Poisonous CDOs in their Falsified Balance
Sheets.
No one knows WHICH IS THE NEXT BANK or WHICH IS THE NEXT
COUNTRY TO GO BURST! And many properties in the US Are Still
Under Water. The Day of Reckoning is postponed indefinitely by
Continual QE.
Calvin updates:
In year 2005 George Soros came out to warn about the US Subprime
Bubble. And I sold off all my shares again except OPCOM.
OPCOM was an isolated & insulated stock when I bought as low as 30
cts then. And it gave good dividends throughout the Crisis. (NOTE:
OPCOM NOW UP TOO HIGH: SELL OPCOM BUY PALM OIL
SHARES: 12 DECEMBER, 2021)
Now I am not into Cash anymore because of these 2 reasons:
1) US HAS INVENTED THE MONEY PRINTING MACHINE CALLED
QUANTITATIVE EASING. SO IS JAPAN, BRITIAN & ALL OTHER
COUNTRIES JOINING IN THE NEW GAME OF CREATING FIAT
CURRENCIES FROM THIN AIR.
So the equation has totally changed! People like TTB of ICapbiz has
held on to cash for more than 5 years now. I think he will be holding
cash for an indefinite number of years more as Trump will start printing
another US$1 Trillion for US Infrarstructure jobs. The US Debt Clock
has now crossed US$18 TRILLION. When Obama started his
Presidency US Debt was $10 Trillion. He ended his term when US
Debt crossed US$18 Trillion (Up by over 70%)
See http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://dailysignal.com/2014/12/03/since-obama-took-office-federal-debt
-increased-almost-70-percent/
2) SO INSTEAD OF HOLDING CASH AS A FORM OF SAFETY. CASH
ITSELF IS NOW NOT SAFE AT ALL DUE TO RAMPAGING MONEY
PRINTING AND ENDLESS INFLATION!
I thought of the time 50 years ago when I was a young boy. A red bean
bun (tau sar pau) cost only 10 cents each. Coffee was also 10 cents a
cup.
Today a red bean pau cost Rm1.70 each.
So it has gone up from 10 cents to Rm1.70 in 50 years or an
astounding 32% inflation per year.
Just think. The guy who kept his money in the bank earning a
compound 3% to 6% interest a year is now suffering from the
devastation of his new wealth. He will end up in poverty in his golden
years.
Will the market crash again like 1997/8 & 2007/8? I really don't know
for sure. But I think we are now into another time zone of the newly
fangled peril of one QE after another QE.
I hope all i3 forumers will invest carefully through these difficult times.
Now I am happy to see Prestar crossed Rm1.00 finally. This is another milestone of a 100% gain.
This makes it no. 11th to touch 100%
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/92509.jsp
http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/www.eaglevisioninvest.com/92608.jsp
As Prestar is already up more than 100% Calvin calls for caution &
please don't chase it now.
About 10 years ago Calvin together with Johor Sifu bought Prestar
around 65 cts. I also bought lots of Prestar warrant then. Suddenly
Prestar declared a 22% gross dividend & Prestar price shot to a high of
Rm1.05 then
We both sold off all Prestar then at peak prices. Prestar is now at 10
year high already. Will it go higher or not I cannot tell. But I bought
Prestar when it was back down again at 46 cts when no body wanted.
(NOTE: PRESTAR ALREADY UP 100% AND SPLIT: SELL PRESTAR
AND BUY PALM OIL NOW: DEC 12TH 2021)
This is the Top Secret of Investment
The time to buy is when prices are cheap. Price to book value is low.
This qualifies Calvin's 3rd Investment Rule
HE THAT IS LOW NEEDS FEAR NO FALL
The time to sell is when everybody else is excited!
Happy investing
Best regards
Calvin Tan
Jurong West, Singapore
Calvin additional comments: (December 11th 2021)
Gloves Collapsed! Many were hurt
The Next to Collapse will be Malaysia Banks sitting on Billions &
Billions of Subprime & Prime Loans given out at 90% to 110% in the
GoGo Years of Property Boom years of Iskandar 2011 to 2014 when 30
Huge Blocks of CONDOS MUSHROOMED
Now Rm30 BILLIONS OF THESE LOANS WILL TURN SOUR AS
THESE CONDOS TURN INTO GHOST TOWERS
COUNTRY GARDEN ALONE GOT 9,000 UNITS WITH PRICES
CRASHED BY 60% TO 70% AT JB HIGHCOURT LELONG
(DEVELOPER OFFERS 50% FOR THE REMAINING 1,000 UNITS
UNSOLD)
8,000 UNITS WERE SOLD AROUND RM1 MILLIONS WITH BANK
LOANS AS HIGH AS 70%, 80% ot 100%
THE BANKS THAT FINANCED THESE & OTHERS IN MEDINI WILL
SUFFER HORRENDOUS LOSSES LATER
THIS IS THE REASON TO SELL BANK SHARES EARLY BEFORE
NPL GOES UP, PROFIT COMES DOWN & DIVIDENDS SLASHED &
SHARE PRICE CRASH
NOTE: CANNOT BUY ISKANDAR CONDOS DUE TO HUGE GLUT
BUT CAN BUY SINGLE STOREY LANDED HOUSES BELOW RM300,000 IN JOHOR OR DOUBLE STOREY LANDED HOUSES BELOW RM400,000
FOR SHARES WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND THESE 6
1) TAANN (OVERALL CHAMPION IN DIVIDENDS & VALUE)
2) SOP (GREAT GROWING COMPANY)
3) TSH RESOURCES (INSIDER BOSS BUYING)
4) THPLANT (MIGHT RESUME DIVIDEND NEXT YEAR)
5) JTIASA (STRONG TURNAROUND)
6) BPLANT (HIGH DIVIDEND)
GLOVE BULL RUN CUT SHORT BY CHINA: CHINA COULD PRODUCE GLOVES IN 4 SHORT MONTHS
PALM OIL BULL RUN WILL LAST MUCH LONGER AS IT TAKES 5 TO 6 YEARS TO PLANT & HARVEST 1ST FRUITS
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Enough of fear mongering lah! This calvin loh!
This calvin says he put 3% of his money in the stock market ?
Certainly...with this type of tiny capital...it is totally waste of time mah!
It is better for him to place all his money in somewhere else & stop wasting time here mah!
Put it this way...no matter who u r....if u want a meaningful return in the stock market....u must commit at least 25% to 30% of your wealth in stock market mah!
Why leh ?
Put it this way loh....stock mkt give u the advantage of tax free return compare to property & business which u need to manage people and debt collection mah!
U must make use of your advantage to profit against Mr Market mah!
Furthermore when u have carefully invest..u have the advantage of fundamental and margin of safety advantage on your side mah!
A FUNDAMENTAL INVESTOR SHOULD NOT PANIC UNNECESSARY FROM FEAR MONGERING UNLIKE WHAT CALVIN SAID MAH and put everything in CASH loh!, WHY LEH ??
PUT IT THIS WAY LOH.....SHARE IS A PART OF A BUSINESS....EVEN IF IT IS MANAGE PROPERLY....THEY ALWAYS BE DIPS AND BOOM AS IT IS AFFECTED BY EXTERNAL ENVIROMENT MAH!
FOR EXAMPLE DURING THE PERIOD OF 2020 TO 2021 DURING THE BUSINESS LOCKDOWN....DO U SELL ALL YOUR GOOD FUNDAMENTAL SHARE & HOLD ALL CASH LEH ?
OF COURSE NOT....U SELL ALL THOSE BUSINESS THAT ARE WEAK & WITH NO MARGIN OF SAFETY IN ORDER TO MANAGE YOUR RISK MAH!
I M SURE CALVIN HAVING 97% OF HIS MONEY IN BUSINESS WOULD NOT HAVE SOLD HIS BUSINESS FOR A SONG DURING THIS LOCKDOWN PERIOD 2020 TO 2021 MAH!
REMEMBER STOCK MKT COMPETE....WITH YOUR RETURN OF YOUR FIXED DEPOSITS MAH!
Do u think with deposits rates as low as 2% pa....stockmarket can crash so low like calvin said...as it has not gone up that much leh ?
Thus it is always a sound strategy to invest in profitable stocks that have big margin of safety, pays good dividend and very strong balance sheet loh!
Strong companies are TAANN, Bplant, Insas, Sarawak plant, Bkawan, Affin Bank, Maybank and ABMB. In fact there are many u can find loh!
Avoid stocks that have weak & poor corporate governance & shiok sendiri one time profit and weak fundamental loh!
2021-12-11 14:58
HAHAHA!
READ AGAIN
THAT WAS REPOSTED FROM YEAR 2017
NOW CALVIN IS 90% INVESTED ALL SPARE CASH IN THESE 6 BEST PALM OIL SHARES
1) TAANN (OVERALL CHAMPION)
2) SOP
3) TSH RESOURCES
4) THPLANT
5) JTIASA
6) BPLANT
ALREADY IN PROCESS OF LIQUIDATING OTHER ASSETS AND
ALL IN PALM OIL!!!
2021-12-11 15:03
Spare cash can mean if use have Rm 30k spare cash...u put Rm 27k loh!
Put lah..25k to 30k of your wealth mah!
Posted by calvintaneng > Dec 11, 2021 3:03 PM | Report Abuse
HAHAHA!
READ AGAIN
THAT WAS REPOSTED FROM YEAR 2017
NOW CALVIN IS 90% INVESTED ALL SPARE CASH IN THESE 6 BEST PALM OIL SHARES
1) TAANN (OVERALL CHAMPION)
2) SOP
3) TSH RESOURCES
4) THPLANT
5) JTIASA
6) BPLANT
ALREADY IN PROCESS OF LIQUIDATING OTHER ASSETS AND
ALL IN PALM OIL!!!
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guli in the kampong ?
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calvintaneng
Latest update
Was only invested with 3% last time in year 2017
Now quite fully invested mostly in palm oil companies like Taann, Sop, Tsh, Thplant, Jtiasa, Bplant and others
2021-12-11 13:37