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2021-07-19 14:52 | Report Abuse
The downside risk now is like near zero.
2021-07-19 14:52 | Report Abuse
1 shark = thousands of bilis
Now Serba is supported by thousands of bilis
MCO/FMCO hits the rakyat bad, yes. But, many are still doing okay.
Let's say a few hundred, or even a few thousand bilis have to sell their Serba holdings. How much impact can that be?
But, once the audit issue sees some positive light, sharks and institutions will return.
Just 1 shark alone good enough to move up Serba
Risk vs Reward
U tell me la
2021-07-19 14:45 | Report Abuse
A has expertise in X field
B has expertise in Y field
A and B have common directors
A & B JV together to tender for a government job
AB JV once got the job, subcontract to A and B
A subcontract to its wholly-owned subsidiary, A2
Of course you will find the name of the same director(s) in
A
B
AB JV
A2
Problem? This is common.
2021-07-19 14:42 | Report Abuse
@Profit77 +100
That was exactly what I have been saying.
Some managers/bosses would sit down nicely to work out with the auditor, even if the auditor was wrong and/or rude.
Some managers/bosses, even if the auditor was correct, if the way of asking/questioning was wrong/improper, they will show them the door.
2021-07-19 14:39 | Report Abuse
@getonwithit by right with all the MCO/FMCO/EMCO, smuggling should not be possible.
If smuggling of these illicit/contraband ciggies is possible, then that explains how all those foreign variants of Covid-19 reach our shores.
2021-07-18 13:54 | Report Abuse
Yala, China is using their own vaccine, yet they are doing fine now.
In the Western world, there is continuous media war over Pfizer, Astrazeneca etc. It's all about the money.
Just take whatever vaxx is available to you, and most importantly continue to observe physical distancing and mask wear SOP until there is mass immunity.
The West is too complacent in doing away with mask requirement and distancing rules too fast, too soon.
Well you know, ang moh ma. They always think they're the best, the invincible. Let them die la.
2021-07-18 10:43 | Report Abuse
Until and unless Serba is proven guilty, I refuse to talk bad of it.
So far all of the "crimes" that it is accused of, as an industry person, I have logical explanations for.
"Kalau tak pasti, jangan kongsi"
2021-07-18 00:28 | Report Abuse
Yes! UP is a wonderfully managed company
2021-07-17 17:42 | Report Abuse
@unomi12 ya la
If client level, it could be
Ultimate client > Ali Baba > Serba
If customer level, it could be
Serba > Ali Baba > Vendors/Sub Contractors who are actually doing the work
No Ali Baba, no contract. Simple as that. You want the contract, you must involve the Ali Baba, give them a cut of the $$$.
People who have actual working experience in big projects esp those that involve governments and GLCs will find this perfectly normal occurences.
2021-07-17 15:36 | Report Abuse
Hint - they could be either proxy to royalties, crony company, and/or empty shell company of politicians or civil servants
Yet, they are REAL entities, doing real jobs, or maybe Ali Babas. But, Ali Babas are also real, just that they take a cut of the contract and then sub-contract to others. It doesn't in any way make them, "fictitious". It's all legitimate contracts, business deals.
If this is happening in Malaysia, what makes you think they cannot happen in the Middle East and rest of the world?
Welcome to the real world, people.
2021-07-17 15:29 | Report Abuse
Not all businesses have to maintain an online presence, unless they are public-listed entities.
Malaysian GLCs have plenty of vendors and sub cons that you cannot find any info on them apart from SSM info and maybe an office address.
Yet it doesn't in any way make them, "fake".
2021-07-17 11:27 | Report Abuse
This is the principle of "buy things that people hate at that moment"
2021-07-17 11:26 | Report Abuse
Exactly 7chewe
Chase those stocks that are already hot, yea you may taste instant profit, but when things turnaround, your losses can be big
Serba is now basically valued at BELOW breakup i.e. company bankrupt valuation. The upside potential is limitless
2021-07-17 10:38 | Report Abuse
Money is made by buying stocks that no one wanted at that moment.
Money is made by buying stocks near their bottom.
Money is made in the waiting, not in the chasing.
2021-07-16 22:02 | Report Abuse
Today Friday can maintain the gain from yesterday
Kira not bad la. A good foundation for next week
2021-07-16 14:09 | Report Abuse
^ tu baru fanbois
Aku bukan fanbois ok
I talk facts and industry practices
2021-07-16 13:54 | Report Abuse
When you are investing using your own money, you can trust your instincts, trust your conscience, and so on.
When you are EPF, KWAP etc, you are investing, managing other people's money. Hence there are set rules to govern their investment strategy, on what to buy and what to sell.
2021-07-16 13:52 | Report Abuse
EPF, like most institutional investors, have rules governing their investments.
If there are POTENTIAL red flags, POTENTIAL governance issues, they have to liquidate first. Else they will kena from their internal audit. Just like how they have to sell certain stocks just because ESG scoring deteriorated. Not because the investee company are proven to have problem, or not a good investment. Just because there are doubts, they have to exit first.
2021-07-16 13:48 | Report Abuse
@Gerrardo don't talk about different industries, but we have one common denominator - O&M and EPCC contracts
That is basically maintenance and operations.
And they keep harping on how impossible it is to maintain constant profit margins. *facepalm*
Serba is basically, in simple terms, operating a building, or a plant, on behalf of client.
Client's job to look for customer for its goods.
Risk of market price fluctuation is to be borne by client.
Customer no pay, none of Serba's business too.
Serba is, in a way, just an outsourced service provider.
Of course the margins are more or less there! It's up to them, using their economic moat, to nego for price that can give them the margins that they want.
2021-07-16 13:00 | Report Abuse
Baca komen itu Mickey Mouse dah tau dia ni tak faham industri that Serba is operating in
bazir masa je layan troll cam tu
2021-07-16 12:20 | Report Abuse
In conventional engineering/civil construction contracts, we have Quantity Surveyors, assessing, measuring and valuing EXACTLY how much is done, and pay the contractor according to that. I.e. you paved how many metres of road, I pay u how many metres of road's worth of $$.
Milestone Billing contracts are different. You finished lay 1 WHOLE road, I pay you one whole road's worth of $$.
To put it in simple terms.
2021-07-16 12:14 | Report Abuse
From the viewpoint of CLIENT, why is there a need for Milestone Billing.
You, the client, you want a working, functioning product.
You don't want your contractor to spend millions on materials, labour and other costs, but the thing is NOT YET FUNCTIONING.
Let's say we are talking about a car.
You finished an engine (and it's working alraeady), I pay you an engine.
You finished the gearbox, I pay for the gearbox.
You finished the car body, I pay the car body.
I don't want to be paying for a half-finished engine. I only pay for finished PARTS/SECTIONS.
It protects the customer/client.
2021-07-16 12:09 | Report Abuse
@bobvic96 PETRONAS contract. Guaranteed payment (unless Petronas tumbang), tapi Milestone Billing.
You take or not? Of course take? Then you kena manage your working capital accordingly.
Milestone Billing contracts, only companies with strong financial backing can take it, because the working capital requirement will kill smaller players.
But the profit margin will reward you.
This is how the industry works.
2021-07-16 12:07 | Report Abuse
@madmatts jangan
nanti those haters say that we sengaja talk positive to "move the market" hahahahaha
2021-07-16 11:58 | Report Abuse
@madmatts yala they think like sell mee sup at kopitiam, do 1 bowl, sell 1 bowl, get money for 1 bowl
Those big contracts can be like, you spent millions buying materials and paying sub contractors and worker wages and so on, but until and unless you finished one section and ticked all the boxes, client ain't gonna pay you even 1 sen.
Tapi, you spent all those money, accounting-wise, you CAN recognise the revenue and earnings.
Earnings =/= Cash FLow
2021-07-16 11:53 | Report Abuse
If you guys have any friends doing LRT project now, go ask them, they can tell/show you the ballooning receivables, all thanks to one thing called
MILESTONE BILLING
You do so much, you buy so much materials and park at site, but client ain't gonna pay you until you ticked all the boxes. This is the impact of milestone billing on contractors.
Many PETRONAS contracts are on milestone billing basis too.
2021-07-16 11:47 | Report Abuse
@bobvic96 I deem it an insult that you label me a fanboi hahaha
From beginning I have never worshipped Karim or said he is blameless or cannot be faulted or what
What I have been saying is that Serba's defences are valid defences, that is where I raised all the points like milestone billing and contract accounting (hence mismatch in earnings and cash flows), nature of EPCC and O&M contract (hence the stable profit margins), and so on
Cheers to logical reasoning
2021-07-16 11:34 | Report Abuse
When you work in the corporate world, you need to know that there are different styles of leaders and managers.
Some, even if you are rude and/or wrong, they try to settle quietly, amiably.
Some, if you are overly assertive or rude, even if you are right or you have a point, they will stop working with you and show you the door.
2021-07-16 11:30 | Report Abuse
@bobvic96
<<I have been audited a number of times and I have always found the auditors amiable and will provide advice if they found an issue. That advice would typically find its way into the audit report and presentation to management to demonstrate, amongst others, they are doing their job.>>
There, you proved my point (or did i misunderstand you?) when I said it before that is is NOT the norm for auditors to go direct to Audit Committee/Board, it is the norm and industry practice for auditor to go query and discuss with Management (CFO and/or CEO) first, before they go to Board level.
Also, there are many different kinds of auditors, with different temperaments.
I have met with those (rare, but there are) who raises their voice and have a shouting match with the accountant and/or CFO.
And I have also met with (well, most of them are like this) those who sit down and talk nicely and listen to you.
That is why my current stand and wild guess is that the audit team must have been rude and/or overly assertive with Karim's team, hence the breakdown in audit-client relationship.
2021-07-16 11:21 | Report Abuse
Said it before and will say it again
This is not a trading stock
Even analysts are not interested on it
Buy and keep for dividends and long-term capital gain
It will reward those with patience
2021-07-16 11:09 | Report Abuse
As in, you disagree with your supplier or customer,
some would choose to sit down and talk nicely
some would choose to bang table to assert their rights
the resigned INEDs could have preferred to settle "nicely" rather than to sue
2021-07-16 11:08 | Report Abuse
It's perfectly understandable for INEDs to disgree suing auditors, as it's not the norm (but not to say it is not allowed).
2021-07-16 11:04 | Report Abuse
@bobvic96
<Why would KPMG staff resign when the resignation of the INEDs indicate Serba are at fault?>
Did your teachers and momma and papa teach you not to ASSuME things?
INEDs resigning could be due to them disagreeing to sue auditor, that is all.
Don't ASSuME things.
2021-07-15 17:59 | Report Abuse
A few bilis here on i3 can move the market? Don't make me laugh til tummy ache la hahahahaha
2021-07-15 12:43 | Report Abuse
Buy and keep under bed
Wake me up when September ends
2021-07-15 10:28 | Report Abuse
Karim no buyback, bising
Karim buyback, ALSO bising
So high punya barking dogs
2021-07-14 21:59 | Report Abuse
Weakness in PBB share price could be due to Indonesia Covid-19 situation?
2021-07-14 17:29 | Report Abuse
China Communist Part don't need votes to remain in power. It can do whatever it takes to beat the virus, even if it meant offending 49% of the population.
Malaysia's political parties need votes and/or political donations to win general elections.
2 different creatures.
2021-07-14 12:02 | Report Abuse
Sarawak vaccination progress going on smoothly too
2021-07-14 11:07 | Report Abuse
Traders' hate.
Traders want fast momentum gain.
Investors' love.
Investors want accumulating at low PE so more future potential gain.
2021-07-13 23:09 | Report Abuse
Bila orang diam...
Dia diam sebab dia penipu, penyamun, dan penjenayah!!!
Bila orang explain...
Dia explain sebab dia tau diri dia salah! Explanation dia tu semua tak logik!!!
Hahahahaha
2021-07-13 20:21 | Report Abuse
@Mabel with quality holdings, can just buy and wait til next Q or dividend announcement
Day to day fluctuation worry so much for what? :)
2021-07-12 23:26 | Report Abuse
@Mabel got load up on Ta Ann?
2021-07-12 23:16 | Report Abuse
Glass full of water will never be able to accept a fresh pour of wine
Hahahahaha
2021-07-12 22:45 | Report Abuse
There is a difference between auditor and industry accountant.
Auditor only know numbers and technical terms. Yala tu, in that respect maybe diorang champion.
But throw them real-life scenarios and business arrangements, they pengsan, call 999, or go to SC scream fire.
Cukup la for today, gelak sakit perut aku.
2021-07-12 22:38 | Report Abuse
O&M
EPCC
Orang tu engineering and construction and service provider, dia gi samakan dengan syarikat yg meneroka dan korek minyak utk dijual
hahahahahahaha hopeless
2021-07-12 22:36 | Report Abuse
Maybe I sound like playful and a bit rude
tapi kawan kita @madmatts dah try to explain nicely
tengok macamana benda tu reply?
hahahahaha
2021-07-12 22:18 | Report Abuse
Faham tak apa tu O&M?
Operations & Maintenance
I.e. maintain plant for client
If u do O&M for palm oil company, CPO naik turun none of your biz, u setiap bulan ambik maintenance fee macam condo maintenance
If u do O&M for O&G, harga minyak tu naik turun none of your biz, u are just maintaining the plant for client
Apa lagi yg shoplot auditor ni tak faham
Apa yg susah nak maintain profit margin?
Hahahahahahahaha bodoh tahap gaban, degil tahap setan
2021-07-12 21:51 | Report Abuse
hahahahahahahahahahaha
shoplot auditor never audited/worked for O&M company
kesian
Stock: [BAT]: BRITISH AMERICAN TOBACCO (M)
2021-07-19 14:54 | Report Abuse
PE high is not important
BATM is more a trading co than a manufacturing co now, as all ciggies are imported now
It can distribute almost 100% of its earnings as dividends
Hence we should value BATM on dividend yield