For long term investors, they always earn much more than short term traders !
If choose a right fundamentally strong company, easily 1000% returns in 5 years !
Go and check with Warren Buffet & the gangs, you will know

For traders, today you win big, but tomorrow you also lose big, win win lose lose, plus plus minus minus, most of them faded and disappeared from the market eventually if crisis comes !

“The existing expansion in NGC Sepang is scheduled to be completed by 2021. Upon completion, the annual installed capacity will increase to 44 billion pieces.

“Coupled with the previous acquisition of 95 acres of land in Banting to build NGC 2.0, total annual installed capacity will increase to 95 billion pieces upon completion by year 2027,” it noted.

Soon, Harta will overtake TG as the biggest glove makers in the future !!

With their well-managed operation and younger/hungrier CEO and team, they might eat into TG's market share in the future (when the demand for glove is down ). TG experiencing bad reputation in US & western countries whereas Harta's reputation getting better and better by not overcharging their MNC clients !! The CEO has a very good foresight and aiming for long term business growth !

BY 2027, the share price will definitely worth RM200 at least !! IF you have the patient to hold that long !

If Harta continue to stay laggard, and when foreign funds are back, they will surely SAPU it !!

Even if Harta announced a below-expectation-profit in the coming QR, it will only cause a minor knee jerk reaction the next day, few days later, the price will continue to go UP . My observation when market players are riding with the thematic trend !!

IF most foreign fund managers come back to invest in Bursa, the first counter they want to SAPU is definitely HARTALEGA !!!

Don't worry about UB's TP etc, it doesn't make any sense no more !!
average TP is 20, if millions or billions of crazy hot money hit the glove counters , sky is the limit !!

Bearing in mind, now only retailers are f*cking around with glove counters, that's why small cap gloves have a crazy surge, foreigners have been withdrawing from Bursa from the past few months, once they come back and notice Harta (used to be foreign fund managers favourite ) still a laggard, just think what would they do ??

Glove & PPE gone crazy liao !!
either you make tonnes of money following the crazy tide or being walloped by sharks at the end !!

Trade with Cautious lah !!!

Forget about their QR , 100 mil, 200mil or even 800 mil !
This is what happen to glove counters in the past few days :-

Esceram :- QR announced with loss, panic selling the next day,... yesterday & today LIMIT UP
HLT :- QR announced with chicken feed profit with history of substantial loss (almost PN4 company) ... LIMIT UP for few days
Careplus :- QR surprising the public (only one Q of huge profit with habitual losses in the past) , LIMIT UP for few days
Comfort :- IB gave a latest TP of 4.80, our legendary KYY openly dumped all shares at 4.00 + and switch to TP... now share price shoot up to 7.20 and rising ...
Rubberex :- big boss want to sapu all shares at 1.80. now also UP UP UP to 7.00 ++

Throw off what fundamental rules, analysis you learned before to the dustbin and DANCE with the sharks and innocent newbies !!

Welcome to crazy hot money party !! MUSIC >>>>>>>>>

The only rule applied in Bursa nowadays is this one :-
The greatest fool theory :- buy higher and higher and see who ends up being the greatest fool ! LOL

Don't worry about the QR , fundamentals , accounting analysis !
My observation is nowadays there are too many hot, foolish, crazy, newbies money in the share market !!
Whenever they see the f*cking word of "glove" "PPE" , those crazy people will jump in as if there is no tomorrow !!
Even the qr is below expection, reduced profit, even making loss, public ( all stock gurus, analysts, even respectable writers) will find an excuse to say otherwise to justify the high price !!
All those experts also go crazy and blinded by greed already !

I believe once those crazy hot money finished off with small glove counters, they will spill over to f*ck with laggard top 4 !!
So what should we do ?
Just sit on it and enjoy the crazy ride but always always remember this sober sane quote from warren buffet : " be fearful when others are greedy !"
When the time is the right, remember to jump off this crazy ride before the disaster hit ! ( eventually will kill off many people just don't know when !)

Harta are the same giant size of TG, TG can deliver x3 profit growth, so will Harta !
Most analysts' think !

Harta has been a laggard amongst the big 4 is because their last QR (up to March, 20) did not show huge profit , whereas the rest of the glove companies are reporting their QR (mostly up to May, June 20 etc ) with X2 or X3 profit growth !

Hope their QR up to June, 20 (to be announced next week ?) can show x2 , x3 or even x4 + profit growth then all IBs will be queueing up to raise the TP already lah !!

"KUALA LUMPUR (Aug 1): Hartalega Holdings Bhd overtook Public Bank Bhd to become Malaysia third most valuable listed company on July 2020’s final trading day on Thursday (July 30) when the rubber glove manufacturer’s market capitalisation of about RM69.51 billion surpassed Public Bank’s estimated RM66 billion.

On Thursday, Hartelega’s share price closed up 16 sen or 0.8% at RM20.28 while Public Bank shares fell 54 sen or 3.08% to RM17.

Malaysia’s most-valuable listed entity is Malayan Banking Bhd (Maybank) followed by Top Glove Corp Bhd.

The Covid-19 lockdown measures enforced over the last few months have presented an unprecedented challenge for small businesses in Malaysia.

Maybank’s share price ended down eight sen or 1.03% at RM7.67, which values the group at around RM86.22 billion.

Top Glove dropped 26 sen or 0.99% to RM25.88, valuing the world’s largest rubber glove manufacturer by output volume at some RM69.96 billion."

Interesting paragraph in the Edge above, the top 4 companies in Bursa market cap is as below :-
1. Maybank - 86.22 b
2. Top Glove - 69.96 b
3. Harta - 69.51 b
4. Public Bank - 66 b

Harta just losing out to TG by 0.45 b (450 mil) in terms of market cap !!

Can this Harta horse overtake TG next week ?? LOL

SCGCSLSRW , haha, if you listen to and compare how TG boss talks and how Harta boss talks, then you know what I mean !!
Sorry, just from my instinct , TG boss is not the one you want to befriend with !
(again, i could be wrong)

@SCGCSLSRW .. Haha ! Again, to analyze with logic :-

First, I am just a small fry with small fund portfolio just for part time value investing, my humble comment won't catch many public attention at all, the most are "own say own shiok" only !
Second, if I am so powerful in analysis that can bring down the whole price of TG, I will be long worshiped as stock god like KYY or OTB etc already !

All in all, I think most glove makers have risen to a high level of pricing already, need to be extra cautious ! Once any news of mass production of quality gloves coming out from China, we need to dump at ANY cost just to protect all profit gained thus far !!

I just wrote according to my humble analysis, I am no stock sifu and I know I could be wrong !
Maybe you have other infos I don't know ! If you guys have different ideas and analysis, you are very welcomed to share , that's how we improve our knowledge, thank you !

@pang72, i agree with you regarding Mr K , even if he has quietly sold off all his shares, nobody know ! those who blindly follow any stock idols will be slaughtered at the end ! They might have their own agenda behind ! We should read more and share more infos, then think carefully and rationally with all facts available !

@fatguyman, I understand there are many people holding TP & Harta at the same time, as what I used to do ( From May-July, I even spreaded all my holding in all glove companies (big or small) listed in Bursa previously with different weightage at one time ! Of course more exposure to big 4, least exposure to small 4 (comfort, rubberex, careplus, esceramic) , one by one I took profit once the price rose up to ridiculous level and now concentrate and sai lang all capital & retained profit only in Harta !)
The last big glove co I dumped is TG, I just offloaded all few days ago when the news of NZ banning their products came out.

That is my analysis on TG so far, just my personal opinion, if you disagree , pls don't scold me (lol), I could be wrong :-
red flag one :- US custom withhold their products due to labor abuse issue, and I read that this issue has existed even a year ago,
red flag two :- NZ biggest supermarket chain banned their products due to same issue !
red flag three :- the boss in the immediate zoom press conference said the US issue will be resolved in 2 weeks but now it is more than 2 weeks d ! (meaning the boss just sweet talk to the public with no certainty, I read one IB 's analysis that based on precedent, this issue could prolong up to 3 months !)

I just don't feel comfortable with this issue prolonging and even spreading to other western countries ! I read many analysis, mostly with "confirmation biased" that... " if US don't accept sell to Mexico lah " , "many countries / suppliers waiting to buy from us " ( explained arrogantly by the boss in press conference) or "now is critical time in US, they will surely release the products soon as their PPE is running short" etc

Come on, those blinded with confirmation bias failed to realize, US got tonnes of money, US represented by Trump with huge ego, they will kow tow to you TG ? They will say "sorry TG, I judged you wrongly, now I released your products !" ?? you go and ask China then you will know ! You thought TG is the only glove maker on this planet who produce gloves ?
Worst come to worst, US can just reject your products and pay high premium spot price to buy replacement from other glove cos , the likely beneficiaries will be Harta, Kossan or Supermax (as they are amongst the top 4 in the world !)

Once their products are confirmed rejected due to labour issue, what happen to their reputation in world glove market ? Most western countries won't buy from them ! yes...according to their big mouth boss, they can sell to Mexico or other 3rd world countries... then the questions will be ... will they fetch good price ? Good ASP ?
Plus they even need to spend more to settle their labor issues, or even need to pay more to their labors to appease them ... end of the day, those will eat into their cost ! Cost will rise !!
All these problems will reflect in their next QR, I believe !

conclusion :- don't fall in love with any particular stock, company plagued with prolonging issue, the risk is high and I rather dump it to invest in its biggest rival ! remember, TP's loss will be Harta's gain ! If one day Harta get into any serious issue or rise to a ridiculous high price, I will do the same ! End of the day, we just want to maximize our profit !

My conclusion :- Harta is last under value and most stable glove company left in Bursa !!
Dump all your shares in other glove companies and convert & sai lang into Harta !! Before the public or IBs find out and fry it UP !!

One thing I discover, most IB will give higher PE for Harta (40-45) than TG (35-40) as Harta is mostly automated and relying less on human labor (that's explain they don't have labor abuse issues !) and they have lower costing !

My own findings... :-
If Harta can really achieve EPS of RM0.83, PE of 40 = RM33.20, PE of 45 =RM37.35 !!

at current price of RM20 +, it has an upside potential of 80% at least !!!

As my earlier KYY's method of computing laggard, also it is Harta the most undervalue !!

Year to date upside of top 4 gloves :-
"Top glove :- up 456%
Harta :- up 267%
Kossan :- up 330%
Superman :- up 1,244%"

whereas for other small 4 or cheat 4 glove counters, most already shooting up to ridiculous high risk of 1000 - 2000% YTD (many newbees will be trapped and slaughtered by syndicates for sure !!)

I just browse thru two bloggers' write up of estimation of Harta expected EPS for 2021 :- bewteen 0.83 to 0.92 per share and both bloggers also using the same methodology to compute TG's EPS.


"A possible full year EPS of RM0.92 coupled with :

PE25 a possible share price of RM23.00
PE30 a possible share price of RM27.60
PE35 a possible share price of RM32.20

Despite this it doesn’t means that we’re not interested in other glove counters, it is however we had manage to receive more information on the above 2 companies compared to others as such we are more keen in going with what we CONFIRMED than speculations as we can see from other smaller players which reported a somewhat under expected results.

We’re quite sure the ASP of the above 2 companies is now already at least 100% or more since April 2020, and are still in the rise especially since their orders have been confirmed till year 2021.

Vaccine is still the major concern for the gloves industry as it may spell an end to the COVID-19 pandemic however medical experts have already informed that the earliest possibility of vaccine will be by next year.

Given this I strongly believe the trend of glove movement is still intact given the recent corrections in the chart and especially when all big 4 gloves companies have now entered into their newest high prices as per our prediction forming a new higher high for the uptrend patterns. "




"Hartalega's FY21 full year earnings is expected to leapfrog to RM2.8bil or EPS of RM0.83/share.

Superior margin ahead of its peers

TopGlove's profit is expected to jump by 5% for every 1% hike in ASP. Hartalega's profit is expected to jump 11% for every 1% hike in ASP. This is due to extreme efficiencies at NGC plant compared to its peers. Hartalega's plant are almost 100% automated.

ASP hike of 35% - 40% for June

Net profit to jump 350% - 400% from June and onwards. Assuming a 35% hike in ASP, Harta's net profit is expected to jump by 385%. Net profit for next quarter is expected to be between RM450mil - RM600mil.

Largest base in US

Harta's base in US is 55%. Compared to its peers, its the largest.

Antimicrobial glove catalyst

Game changer for Harta. No other big 4 glove companies is able to produce antimicrobial glove at a mass scale. This gloves has already been sold in Europe. Once FDA is obtain by year end, Harta is expected to command another premium to its share price.

Director acquisition of shares

Compared to its peers, only Harta's directors/founders have been acquiring shares at high prices. This is a strong sign that the management has absolute confidence in the company.

Valuation

Harta is undervalued compared to its peers at current valuation of 15x FY21 PE. Ascribe a 30x FY21 PE to arrive at RM24.80.

We believe Harta fully deserves to be the largest market cap company in Malaysia "

I remember reading some forumers said here before Harta forum full of intelligent analysis and comments and TG s forum full of idiots, morons , psychopaths, punters , retards , etc ....

I remember some forumers said here before Harta forum full of intelligent analysis and comments and TG s forum full of idiots, morons , psychopaths, punters , etc .... lol

“The bar on Top Glove's units did not dampen investor appetite in the company, whose share price rose to historical highs in the week after the Customs' detention. Top Glove's shares have climbed 456% this year, driven by demand associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

Share prices of other major glove producers, including Hartalega Holdings, Kossan Rubber Industries and Supermax Corporation have soared 267%, 330% and 1,244% respectively year-to-date.”

Just read an interesting paragraph above , and based on KYY’s computation (although some forumers criticize it) as which top 4 globe stocks are lagging behind the recent uptrend :-

Top glove :- up 456%
Harta :- up 267%
Kossan :- up 330%
Superman :- up 1,244%

So ... fellow smart investors , who is the most undervalue ? Lol

I think should be another way round ! more competitors will lose out to Harta in terms of innovation , quality & reputation !
TG is the biggest rival to be lost out to Harta for sure !
Not only in US but in most western countries!

They exploited human rights, abused labors, then they have to bear the consequences !!

There are other glove companies or even other business wouldn't have done that ... Even if you can make tonnes of money from this company, those money are "black heart money " !

If you want to make money with conscience and principle, can always swap to other glove companies !!

Harta 's biggest rival is TG, I sold off all shares in TG and swap to Harta when I keep reading bad news about TG in labor exploitation ... and the issues won't be going away and might spread to other western countries which will treat this issue seriously !!

TG's above prolonging issues might eventually harm their profit margin (if they can't sell at premium in western countries then have to sell cheap to other countries + extra cost to deal with customs or lose customers in western countries !) and could in turn benefit and boost Harta's revenue & profit margin (western countries will rather pay high spot price to harta to get replacement ) !!

Those issue simply reflect badly on TG s management, comparing to Harta's efficient management, I think it is just a matter of time, Harta will overtake TG as the big tai koh in glove industry in the long run !!

Top Glove got so many problems & issues and reputation affected !
I avoid it and taruh into well managed Harta !!

analysis from one blogger (derive from recently earning performance of TG) :-

A possible full year EPS of RM0.92 coupled with :

PE25 a possible share price of RM23.00
PE30 a possible share price of RM27.60
PE35 a possible share price of RM32.20

** most IB give a high PE45 for Harta due to their cost efficiency !
PE 45 ? ....> 41.40 !!

@Lanesra, only smart and value investors know how to value Hartalega !!

normally price dropping a little bit, big bosses will support !
Hope that next week qr announced with excellent profit !!

Normally 4pm-4.30 pm, stock broking margin call ba ??

KYY cries wolf so many times, public investors don't trust his recommendations any more ! lol

GE or no GE, the whole world are still chasing for glove !

Harta's PE is always ahead of Top Glove (45 vs 40) because Harta is the most efficient run glove company in the world ! (now i just compare the top 2 and forget about the small brothers) , their management is also the best amongst the rest !

Top Glove has been burdened with labor exploitation issues and i don't think it will go away any sooner, first US, next NZ, the what countries again ??? western countries do not view this favorably ! I fear that will be more problems coming out one by one !! maybe top glove is too huge the size and the management can't control the problems effectively !

sooner or later, those issues problems or factors will reflect on the share price !
Top glove 's loss could be Harta's gain going forward !

Booming business sector, with the best efficient management ! That's how i choose !

Rm5.00 will be reached soon !!

Maybe nobody wants to sell to Datuk Ong at price of 1.80, so he busy sapu-ing from Bursa open market !!! lol

Good account analysis (repost) :-

< Personal Opinion >

Let me just reason it out. A loss of RM0.260mil is mainly due to a decrease in revenue due to a shorter business operation period and a written-off goodwill. From the previous QR, goodwill recorded in the Balance Sheet is RM1.059mil while the current QR, it is RM0.365mil, meaning to say, RM0.694mil got written-off. (If you happened to search for the usual goodwill impairment from older QR, you can see how the impairment is done. Well, I got no idea also how this goodwill is generated at first, so I don't want to comment much on impairing/write off, let's just take it as RM0.694mil got written off.)

So I can roughly add the amount back to get my operating profit when there's no write off for goodwill.
RM0.210mil + RM0.694mil = RM0.904mil from revenue of RM8.476mil (margin is 10.67%)
Compare with last year, RM1.328mil operating profit from revenue of RM9.383mil (margin is 14.15%)
Clearly margin has dropped in the current quarter ended May 2020 as compared to the quarter ended May 2019.
Anyway if you look at page 4 of the QR, table B1: Review of Performance, the company failed to realize they did a mistake in the representation of data. The second and third columns should refer to 3 months instead of 12 months. This issue happened a few times in the previous QR release also if anyone happened to realize.

If we compare the full financial year 2019 (margin: 7.1%) and 2020 (margin: 11.9%), the lower margin in 2019 is mainly due to higher employment cost and an increase in operating costs (LPG and raw material price). But does it justified to have share price around RM0.20 last year but RM0.645 now with this result? (Maybe on a good prospect under the current pandemic, but I don't know and I got no comment.)

Sum it up :- right booming business sector but run by lousy management ! The old sloppy CEO shall resign and elect a young vibrant aggressive one !!

F * C K !!
I remember few months ago I read sth from uncle Phillip that this ice cream is run by rich 2nd generation , they don’t bother to expand business or get more sales , just relax and earn stable income , petit dividends will suffice the major shareholders !
That’s why you can’t see f*cking growth ! The management also lazy to capitalize on this glove boom time to expand ! No wonder been keeping quiet and sleeping in the office ! F them !!

I have a feeling this counter will overtake comfort once their QR up to June be announced next month !
Remember , they are still the cheapest glove maker in terms of market cap in bursa !!

Now Spain top the list in Europe for infected covid 19 cases ! They will rush to buy gloves at ANY costs !! Rubberex happened to be there to sell them !!
Fellow investors pls take note !!

Just read the news Spain is experiencing swelling 2nd wave of covid 19, rubberex has a trading office in Spain (contributing around 20% of their revenue ) , would their Spain trading office sell gloves with higher margin or ASP ? ( just like Supermax) ??

I can only confirm the Q result must be out by 30-7-20 !

Careplus past results not that solid, and can run into huge losses but rubberex are well managed with almost no loss for past 10 years !! also no or minimal financial charges due to net cash position

For careplus, actual EPS (minus "one off item") is 4 cents only (up to June , 20) , Rubberex up to March , 20 already can deliver 3.67 cts, so up to June,20, should be no problem to deliver EPS 6 cents !!
My observation !

Rubberex's EPS up to June, 20 shall be = 6 cent (easily, taking into account April-June crazy ASP) !
6 x 4 = 24 cent annualized and forgot about the increase in ASP from July - Dec !
PE = 20, value = 20 x 24 = 4.80
PE = 30, value = 30 x 24 = 7.20

I only use PE 20-30, conservative figure again to compute the above conservative value !!
(top 4 all use up to PE 40 to compute !!)

Up to March, 20, Rubberex 's EPS = 3.67, share price of R is 3.90
Up to April, 20, Comfort's EPS = 2.8, share price of C is 4.70

Which is more under value ?? YOU decide !!!

no insiders selling even at 60-65 cent is good news !!
They know their products are selling like hot cakes or hot ice-cream !! LOL

Actually, my research shows that rubberex's balance sheet is more solid and stable amongst all small cap glove stocks !! steady profit earnings, dividends, net cash 30 mils (can expand capacity anytime), most of their properties are valued at 1990s price !! (very under value in terms of NTA )

Just that they are a old company with most directors, managers over 60-70 yrs old, just do thing slowly steadily and do not keen on expanding like Top 4. that's why they sold all their shares to Datuk Ong & partners for retirement recently !!

Now Datuk Ong & partners aged 42 ++ , they will be keen to expand and grow the company aggressively !! and DAtuk Ong is also major shareholder in a listed chemical company , hope he an use his knowledge in chemistry to invent a break through technology gloves going forward , even can rival Harta (famous in innovate new products for glove ) , just my 2 cents !