MZM2511

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2021-04-24 21:18 | Report Abuse

https://safetravelpass.com.my/

SafeTravelPass is travellers registration, COVID-19 tests and quarantine accommodation arrangement service approved by government of Malaysia. This service is open to both Malaysians and non-Malaysians, to achieve safe, fast and convenient experience for travellers coming into Malaysia. Upon registration and completion of payment, travellers will be provided with the TracAPM QR code that is used by Government of Malaysia for entry verification.

Alternative COVID-19 tests and quarantine accommodation arrangement service by private party could visit Ministry of Health web site for more information.

To know more about travel information and procedures, visit https://tracapm.com

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2021-04-24 21:17 | Report Abuse

https://safetravelpass.com.my/

SafeTravelPass is travellers registration, COVID-19 tests and quarantine accommodation arrangement service approved by government of Malaysia. This service is open to both Malaysians and non-Malaysians, to achieve safe, fast and convenient experience for travellers coming into Malaysia. Upon registration and completion of payment, travellers will be provided with the TracAPM QR code that is used by Government of Malaysia for entry verification.

Alternative COVID-19 tests and quarantine accommodation arrangement service by private party could visit Ministry of Health web site for more information.

To know more about travel information and procedures, visit https://tracapm.com

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2021-04-24 21:17 | Report Abuse

Updates on TracAPM - TracVirus SafeTravelPass.
SafeTravelPass (STP) to be implemented to all government official web sites, including Foreign Ministry (KLN), Embassies, Immigration (JIM), Ministry of Education (MOE) and other agencies. [24 March 2021] . Simple Steps for Travellers coming to Malaysia (General Guideline)

1st. Get your embassy letter for travel

2nd. Apply for Malaysia Immigration MyTravel pass ID

3rd. Register with SafeTravelPass to get your TracAPM QR code


Please be informed, starting from 24 March 2021 all foreigners are required to register and make early payment for quarantine and PCR test before travel.

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2021-04-24 21:16 | Report Abuse

Updates on TracAPM - TracVirus SafeTravelPass.

SafeTravelPass (STP) to be implemented to all government official web sites, including Foreign Ministry (KLN), Embassies, Immigration (JIM), Ministry of Education (MOE) and other agencies. [24 March 2021] . Simple Steps for Travellers coming to Malaysia (General Guideline)

1st. Get your embassy letter for travel

2nd. Apply for Malaysia Immigration MyTravel pass ID

3rd. Register with SafeTravelPass to get your TracAPM QR code


Please be informed, starting from 24 March 2021 all foreigners are required to register and make early payment for quarantine and PCR test before travel.

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2021-04-24 00:56 | Report Abuse

WHAT THE GREAT ACHIEVEMENT. On 24th March 2021, TracVirus has been approved to use by Angkatan Pertahanan Malaysia (APM) and will be integrated in their system namely TracAPM. The TracAPM system was officiated by Prime Minister of Malaysia and the system will be used to digitally to process travellers at the KLIA entry point and can also be used to verify Vaccine Passports to be issued by Malaysia and other countries.
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Typo.
.. digitally to process travellers at the KLIA entry point and other entry points.

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2021-04-23 09:48 | Report Abuse

@8dragon. Healthcare businesses do help.
For time being, the good still can not offset some issues on Nexgram.
Investors confidence still low, but not expecting the price should deep to 2 sen.

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2021-04-21 22:04 | Report Abuse

As the EGM had approved the capital reduction, and the financial quarter for 3rd QR 2021 will end on 30 April 2021, the balance sheet for 3rd QR 2021 (QR 3: 1 Feb 2021 - 30 April 2021) will show retained profit (as all accumulated losses will be offset with the gains from cancellation of issued share capital).

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2021-04-20 20:08 | Report Abuse

Please carefully check the current FA status of Nexgram from the reliable sources.

Do not ever believe the naysayer 8dragon = OKU_2020 = DONJUAN.
Do not be trapped by the untrue allegations.

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2021-04-19 17:52 | Report Abuse

8dragon Tomorrow show time... 3 - 3.5 cents .. then ready for listing in GN3
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OKU_2020 = 8dragon = DONJUAN.

TERUSKAN KUTUKAN AWAK.
SEMOGA AWAK TERUS KEMPUNAN UNTUK BELI @3 SEN. He He

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2021-04-19 17:50 | Report Abuse

Nexgram tak akan dilisted dalam GN3 kerana:

1. Jika dalam EGM pada hari Rabu, 21 April ini Capital reduction lulus, boleh membantu kerana tiada lagi accumulated losses dalam akaun.

2. Nexgram's share holders equity on consolidated basis of its shares (excluding treasury shares)
pada QR2 2021 sudah semakin baik dan berada pada 56.27 %. Tiada lagi MUGC baru kerana
ianya telah melepasi 50%, dengan itu Nexgram boleh terlepas dari GN3.

3. QR2 2021 sudah positif, harap-harap QR seterusnya positif dan ianya akan meningkatkan lagi
FA syarikat, TIADA LAGI RISIKO GN3 TERUTAMA DALAM JANGKA PENDEK INI.

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2021-04-18 21:57 | Report Abuse

8dragon MZM2511, don't forget that our government used to make u-turn, and like to change their mind at any moment they like.....
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Yes I agree. But the chance is there. Still believe in Nexgram. He He.

Here a list of the new engines of growth for Nexgram:

1. TracVirus and SafeTravelPass link by APM in TracAPM system for all inbound and outbound travelers through Malaysian Borders.
2. Covid-19 Test Kits (Recomended and approved by MKN/MOH and agreement with MTC)
3. Tracvirus SafeTravelPass (Recomended by MKN for used by MOH)
4. Medical gloves and PPE (gown) (contract with MAPU in Indonesia)
5. NexgramBottleVaccine (via a subsidiary operation)
6. RM118 mil Subcontract of the Gua Musang Highway (subcontract in progress)
7. Proposed Development of RM1.6 bilion Medical Complex in Malacca.

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2021-04-18 21:13 | Report Abuse

8dragon That's why I said, if a co has no strong political link with those cronies, you won't be able to get the job...instead 3rd party without the expertise will undercut and get awarded.
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The fact that TracVirus SafetravelPass has been approved by APM (one of the gov agency which given the authority to manage and coordinate at International Point of Entry the registration procedures and logistical arrangements at KLIA1, KLIA2 or any other entrances via air, sea and land throughout Malaysia) togenther with NADMA.

Its a great achievement and show us a great connection of Nexgram with the current government.
What say you. Dear 8dragon.

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2021-04-18 21:02 | Report Abuse

MyEG dan Nexgram sebenarnya dalam keadaan PERSAINGAN PERNIAGAAN YANG SENGIT...

What say you... @TPC007. The MyEg agent been spotted. He He

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2021-04-18 21:01 | Report Abuse

Namun begitu, yang saya faham, sebelum ini tracvirus safetravelpass telah juga ada peluang business kerana sebenarnya sistem tracvirus dan safetravelpass oleh Nexgram juga diterima untuk urusan kuarantine dan covid-19 test.

Sistem tracvirus safetravelpass oleh Nexgram di terima oleh MKN untuk digunakan/dipakai oleh MOH dan sebaliknya mytravelpass oleh MYEG diterima oleh MOH dan dicadangkan oleh imigration department.

Dalam keadaan sebelum ini, bagi tujuan kemasukan ke Malaysia, MyEg mempunyai lebih peluang perniagaan.

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2021-04-18 21:01 | Report Abuse

Kalau nanti TracAPM telah diterima, TracVirus SafeTravelPass akan menjadi sistem yang akan dicadangkan di bawah sistem kuarantine, covid-19 test dan juga untuk verifikasi e-cert bagi covid-19 test dan e-cert bagi vaksinasi di dalam TracAPM oleh APM, NADMA, Imigration Department, Ministry Foreign Affairs dan lain-lain agensi kerajaan dan pihak swasta lain.
.........APM will implement and integrate the TracAPM Digital System with Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Immigration Department Malaysia, the National Disaster Management Agency (NADMA) and other relevant agencies to ensure secure and safe travel in and out of Malaysia.
.........Government agencies and private merchants can integrate their processes and services to the TracAPM Digital System, offering travellers International standard of a digital-tech one-stop travel experience.

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2021-04-18 21:00 | Report Abuse

Cuma sebelum keputusan penggunaan TracAPM secara rasmi nanti (kalau confirmed dah jadi), cadangan untuk penggunaan saluran sistem kuarantin dan ujian covid-19 lebih berpihak kepada MyEG melalui mysafetravel kerana ia direcommend oleh Imigration department.
... 5.2 PUS bukan warganegara dikehendaki membuat bayaran caj kuarantin dan caj berkaitan sebelum berlepas ke Malaysia secara atas talian melalui laman sesawang “mysafetravel” di www.mysafetravel.myeg.com.my
Non-citizen PUS is required to pay quarantine charges and other related charges, before departing to Malaysia via “mysafetravel” at www.mysafetravel.myeg.com.my
... 5.4 Semua PUS dikehendaki untuk membayar kos berkaitan ujian saringan COVID-19 sebelum berlepas ke Malaysia secara atas talian melalui laman sesawang “mysafetravel” di www.mysafetravel.myeg.com.my.

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2021-04-18 20:59 | Report Abuse

Bermakna, pihak yang bertanggungjawab untuk kawal kemasukan pelancong asing ialah NADMA dan APM. Bermaksud, TracAPM oleh APM akan mempunyai kemungkinan yang besar untuk diterima sebagai satu-satunya sistem yang sah bagi kemasukan pelancong ke Malaysia.

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2021-04-18 20:59 | Report Abuse

Berdasarkan guidelines oleh NADMA: b. Pendaftaran Ketibaan di Pintu Masuk Antarabangsa (PMA)
Registration at the International Point of Entry (POE)
(i) Pendaftaran PUS akan dibuat di semua Pintu Masuk Antarabangsa dan diselaraskan oleh Agensi Pengurusan Bencana Negara (NADMA) dan Angkatan Pertahanan Awam Malaysia (APM). Sekretariat pendaftaran akan menyelaras penerimaan PUS dan pengurusan logistik di KLIA1, KLIA2 atau pintu-pintu masuk udara, laut dan darat di seluruh Malaysia;
PUS registration at International Point of Entry is coordinated by the National Disaster Management Agency (NADMA) and the Malaysian Civil-Defence (APM). The Secretariat will coordinate the registration procedures and logistical arrangements at KLIA1, KLIA2 or any other entrances via air, sea and land throughout Malaysia;

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2021-04-18 20:58 | Report Abuse

Register online for SafeTravelPass, the official booking web site for Covid-19 check-in, health test and quarantine facilitation recognise by TracAPM.

Make payment online for all your Covid-19 test and quarantine fees.

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2021-04-18 20:58 | Report Abuse

TracAPM
End-to-End Express Digital Facilitations in Malaysia Airports & Borders.

APM Trac and Trace
– Traveller Registration
– E-Certs & Vaccine Passports Check
– QR Code Scan-n-Go
– Queue Numbering System*
– Biometric Registry*

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2021-04-18 19:11 | Report Abuse

@TPC007 ...

We can see that the reports done just to create a favorable condition for MYEg and Edgenta.

Uncertainties arised based on the report:
1. Have to check the source given in the report whether its true the reports is from the said source or not: ......"The Edge" weekly quoting sources - https://apps.theedgemarkets.com/source/The%20Edge%20Malaysia%20Weekly .. I did not detected any said report yet. Help please TPC007.
2. Where are the names of another TWO companies???
3. Based on the reports, there are contradictions: ...At least 10 companies are shortlisted.... but later .... In addition, the total of 31 companies submitted bid documents, and only 10 finalists.

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2021-04-18 15:10 | Report Abuse

@TPC007. The MYEg agent was spotted:

Let us count the finalists based on the report: (1)MyEG, (2) Bestinet Sdn Bhd (3) Tass Tech Sdn Bhd (4)BP Clinical Laboratory Sdn Bhd (5) Maju Healthcare (6) Gribbles Patholgy (M) Sdn Bhd. (7) Edgenta (8) MNC Global Pte Ltd.

Where are the name of another TWO companies???

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2021-04-17 14:11 | Report Abuse

TracVirus SafeTravelPass juga akan terpaksa diguna pakai untuk jangka masa yang lebih lama. Kemungkinan menjadi perniagaan jangka panjang (bukannya perniagaan untuk setahun dua sahaja).

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2021-04-17 14:11 | Report Abuse

Atas sebab itu, permiagaan healthcare berkaitan covid-19 adalah untuk jangka panjang. Test kit akan terpaksa diguna untuk jangka masa lebih lama dan vaksin covid-19 akan memerlukan booster untuk digunakan rakyat secara berkala selepas vaksinasi telah selesai.

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2021-04-16 11:32 | Report Abuse

Nexgram tak akan dilisted dalam GN3 kerana:

1. Jika dalam EGM ini Capital reduction lulus, boleh membantu kerana tiada lagi accumulated losses dalam akaun.

2. Nexgram's share holders equity on consolidated basis of its shares (excluding treasury shares)
pada QR2 2021 sudah semakin baik dan berada pada 56.27 %. Tiada lagi MUGC baru kerana
ianya telah melepasi 50%, dengan itu Nexgram boleh terlepas dari GN3.

3. QR2 2021 sudah positif, harap-harap QR seterusnya positif dan ianya akan meningkatkan lagi
FA syarikat, TIADA LAGI RISIKO GN3 TERUTAMA DALAM JANGKA PENDEK INI.

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2021-04-15 23:20 | Report Abuse

Macquarie Bank Ltd also involved in proposal to subscribe PP shares in Nice Capital Emas. Macquire seems to be interested to invest in the companies involving in GOLD MINING BUSINESS....

... (ii) an issuance of up to 146,000,000 new ordinary shares in NICE (“NICE Shares” or “Shares”) representing approximately 20% of NICE’s issued shares to Macquarie Bank Ltd and Heah Kwai Keng (“Proposed Shares Issuance”);

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2021-04-10 17:53 | Report Abuse

Ayo yo. OKU_2020. Apasal semakin mengarut ni.
Memang dah kena "BADI" cap ayee kooo.

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2021-04-10 12:07 | Report Abuse

OKU_2020 = 8dragon = DONJUAN.

Awak boleh teruslah 24 jam kutuk Nexgram ke atau mana-mana company lain.
Hidup atau mati atau berjayanya sesuatu kaunter saham bukannya bergantung kepada kutukan atau sokongan dari pelabur runcit.

TERUSKAN KUTUKAN AWAK SEHINGGA AWAK BERJAYA BELI @3 SEN. He He

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2021-04-10 12:07 | Report Abuse

8dragon 3-4 cents should be able to buy next week as bad sentiment is circulating the counter.....
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Wow. Bomoh kelapa/buluh keeps chanting.

What a bad sentiments. Is it your frustration and anger on your fate?
Still can't buy @ 3 sen after many months of naysaying..

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2021-04-09 23:26 | Report Abuse

@OKU_2020 = 8dragon = DONJUAN.

PSSSTTT. .... atau beli 4 sen jual 4.5 sen atau 5 sen. Saja cakap nak beli @3 sen.
What a brilliant NAYSAYER / SPECULATOR

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2021-04-09 23:23 | Report Abuse

OKU_2020 Kutok pun biorlah berpada2 Yob Oiii ....jangan lak sampai Cap Ayam nii tamat riwayat@MAPOHH.....
hmmm...some time TACTICAL kutok = $$$$$
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OKU_2020 = 8dragon = DONJUAN.

Awak boleh teruslah 24 jam kutuk Nexgram ke atau mana-mana company lain.
Hidup atau mati atau berjayanya sesuatu kaunter saham bukannya bergantung kepada kutukan atau sokongan dari pelabur runcit.

TERUSKAN KUTUKAN AWAK SEHINGGA AWAK BERJAYA BELI @3 SEN. He He

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2021-04-09 22:23 | Report Abuse

Okay. Kita tunggu yang saja masanya awak dapat beli Nexgram @3 sen dalam masa terdekat ini.

Kesian juga kita kat awak OKU_2020 = 8dragon = DONJUAN.
Sudah lama, hari-hari mau 3 sen.
Belum dapat-dapat lagi..

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2021-04-09 22:23 | Report Abuse

(Sila rujuk : https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_information/announcements/company_announcement/announcement_details?ann_id=3099172
Nexgram tak akan dilisted dalam GN3 kerana:

1. Capital reduction lulus, boleh membantu kerana tiada lagi accumulated losses dalam akaun.

2. Nexgram's share holders equity on consolidated basis of its shares (excluding treasury shares)
pada QR2 2021 sudah semakin baik dan berada pada 56.27 %. Tiada lagi MUGC baru kerana
ianya telah melepasi 50%, dengan itu Nexgram boleh terlepas dari GN3.

3. QR2 2021 sudah positif, harap-harap QR seterusnya positif dan ianya akan meningkatkan lagi
FA syarikat, TIADA LAGI RISIKO GN3 TERUTAMA DALAM JANGKA PENDEK INI.

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2021-04-09 21:44 | Report Abuse

OKU_2020 Lupa kaa Beb,,,,memang ini Cap Ayam Nexgram dah kena GN3.....

Nov 13, 2020 10:19 AM

NOTE 17 / GUIDANCE NOTE 3
PRACTICE NOTE 17 / GUIDANCE NOTE 3
NEXGRAM HOLDINGS BERHAD ("NEXGRAM" OR "COMPANY")BURSA MALAYSIA SECURITIES
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Apasal awak ambil separuh saja announcement tu.
NOT CLASIFIED AS GN3 LISTED ISSUER YET.
DIBERI RELIEF.
JIKA SETERUSNYA TIDAK TRIGGER LAGI MUGC, MAKA IA AKAN DINILAI KEMBALI DAN TIDAK AKAN DIKAITKAN DENGAN GN3 LAGI

1. NEXGRAM HOLDINGS BERHAD ("NEXGRAM" OR "COMPANY")
BURSA MALAYSIA SECURITIES BERHAD ("BURSA") GN3 RELIEF MEASURES RESULTING IN NEXGRAM TRIGGERING SUSPENDED CRITERIA BUT NOT CLASSIFIED AS A GN3 LISTED ISSUER

2. for the avoidance of doubt, Nexgram will not be classified as a GN3 listed issuer and will not be required to comply with the obligations pursuant to Rule 8.04 and GN3 of the ACE LR for a period of 12 months from the date of this announcement. Nexgram will re-assess its condition and announce whether it continues to trigger any of the criteria in GN3 of the ACE LR upon the expiry of the 12 months from the date of this announcement.

BOLEH RUJUK: https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_information/announcements/company_announcement/announcement_details?ann_id=3099172

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2021-04-09 17:22 | Report Abuse

TPC007 baik hang sembahyang bulan depan jgn join club GN3....hahahaha
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Jangan risau, Nexgram tak akan listed as GN3 kerana:
1. Capital reduction lulus, boleh membantu kerana tiada lagi accumulated losses dalam akaun.

2. Nexgram's share holders equity on consolidated basis of its shares (excluding treasury shares)
pada QR2 2021 sudah semakin baik dan berada pada 56.27 %. Tiada lagi MUGC baru kerana
ianya telah melepasi 50%, dengan itu Nexgram boleh terlepas dari GN3.

3. QR2 2021 sudah positif, harap-harap QR seterusnya positif dan ianya akan meningkatkan lagi
FA syarikat, TIADA LAGI RISIKO GN3 TERUTAMA DALAM JANGKA PENDEK INI.

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2021-04-09 17:00 | Report Abuse

@TPC007. Saya masih okay. Terima kasih. Belum jadi jutawanlah...

Awak dah dapat ke beli @ 3 sen?
Macam mana ya, tin kosong ni masih ada ramai peminat nak beli @4.5-5 sen?
Mesti ada sesuatu ni...

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2021-04-08 23:21 | Report Abuse

@8dragon. Naga betina yang tak ada telor memang suka 3.
Nak tiga telor iaitu 2 (yang sepatutnya ada) + 1 telor ekstra (yang besar punya). He He.

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2021-04-07 18:33 | Report Abuse

On behalf of the Board, UOBKH wishes to announce that the Board had on 7 April 2021 resolved to fix the issue price for the Proposed Private Placement at RM0.037 per Placement Share.

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2021-04-05 23:05 | Report Abuse

Hope all investors friend can diffferentiate between these two companies:

NETX (0020) - NETX HOLDINGS BERHAD is a company which Fintec Global Berhad has 6.45% shareholding.

This group channel is for Nexgram. Nexgram (0096) - Nexgram Holdings Berhad. Not related to the Fintec group.

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2021-04-05 15:26 | Report Abuse

Okay.Apa yang azabnya OKU_2020. Yang azabnya kamu yang terpaksa menunggu untuk beli @3 sen.
Tak payah fikirlah fasal risiko pelaburan yang dibuat oleh orang lain.
Pelaburan dibuat atas dasar kepercayaan adan tanggungan sendiri.

Betul lah ada satu orang tanya, kenapalah dalam group saham, dalam group Nexgram ini antara group yang mempunyai naysayer yang kepala batu.

Betullah. Memang banyak dendam naysayer tersebut kepada Nexgram.

OKAY TERUSKAN SAJA KERJA GILA KAMU TU. SEMOGA BERBAHAGIA.

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2021-04-05 12:31 | Report Abuse

Auyah. Nak salahkan orang yang promote pulak sebagai sebab saham tak naik.
Ini sebenarnya power naysayer OKU_2020=8dragon=DONJUAN yang hari-hari dok kutuk
Itu mungkin sebab harga tak berani naik. He He

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2021-04-04 20:55 | Report Abuse

Gtrade Nextgrame only got 2 hairless balls. How to pay 1.6b rgt to Fintec for the land.? Is the land 1.6milli9n or 1.6b?
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“This public-private cooperation initiative is in line with the Government’s push for technology-based investments which can, in turn, raise the knowledge and digital economic capability and capacity level of Malaysians,” said the ACE Market-listed company.

Its a cooperation with the government entity, the Melaka State Development Corporation.

Nexgram won't use its 2 hairless balls, instead can go for other sources of financing....

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2021-04-04 20:50 | Report Abuse

yaphoikiong Fintec sub company, go go go
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Aiyah... Sudah tertukar company ka. Itu Fintech sub company NETX (0020) - NETX HOLDINGS BERHAD.

Ini Nexgram lah, Nexgram (0096) - Nexgram Holdings Berhad.

Itu pun tak tahukah......

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2021-04-04 20:49 | Report Abuse

yaphoikiong Fintec will be up on Monday, since Nexgram offer 1.6 billion to buy land in Melaka, ha ha ha
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The proposed gross development value is RM1.6 billion. Not the price of the land alone.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/nexgrams-unit-develop-rm16-bil-medical-complex-melaka?type=malaysia

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2021-04-04 19:27 | Report Abuse

What these achievements of Nexgram to you? Is it a scam or something???? Their 2nd QR 2021 just told us the truth.

Here a list of the new engines of growth for Nexgram:

1. TracVirus and SafeTravelPass link by APM in TracAPM system for all inbound and outbound travelers through Malaysian Borders.
2. Covid-19 Test Kits (Recomended and approved by MKN/MOH and agreement with MTC)
3. Tracvirus SafeTravelPass (Recomended by MKN for used by MOH)
4. Medical gloves and PPE (gown) (contract with MAPU in Indonesia)
5. NexgramBottleVaccine (via a subsidiary operation)
6. RM118 mil Subcontract of the Gua Musang Highway (subcontract in progress)
7. Proposed Development of RM1.6 bilion Medical Complex in Malacca.

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2021-04-04 19:03 | Report Abuse

Yeaahh. The great naysayer was already turned into the Bomoh Buah Kelapa.. He He

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2021-04-04 18:41 | Report Abuse

Ini baru saja cakap cakap punya projek, belum ada pecah tanah lagi... Harap ianya bukan projek mega spt Cyberjaya/Angkasa/TRX yg gagal itu...lol

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Semua projek yang telah berjaya dilaksanakan oleh semua syarikat yang bikin projek bermula dari langkah awal...
Lagi pun prijek kali ini dicadang untuk dilaksanakan bersama pihak kerajaan yang diwakili Perbadanan Kemajuan Melaka. Seharusnya lebih secure dan berkemungkinan besar untuk
dapat dilaksanakan.

8dragon semasa lahir dulu pelik dari orang lain. Sudah lahir saja sudah dapat berjalan.
Itulah bila dah dewasa, ia jadi lebih hebat iaitu Naysayer yang paling hebat sekali.. He He