Posted by bahamut > 2013-06-18 09:42 | Report Abuse

my best friend decide to drop his current job and want to become full time stock trader, i wish i can give him some advice but i need solid info here. I want to know , how long it going to achieve average Rm 4 K salary per month ( average ) in stock market ( he want to achieve this within 2 years, possible )? this figure is just to maintain his life. He is optimistic now. Is feasible ? cash Rm 30 K on hand. He attend some professional course before, which cost him around Rm 10 K. he very aggressive 1 ( play sort of what T3 ), leverage can x5 need professional advice here.

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130 comment(s). Last comment by Apollo Ang 2017-04-20 15:45

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 09:47 | Report Abuse

u know I key in one all no get sure will up, they all control.if key in got then u know the consequences

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 09:49 | Report Abuse

why can't people admit it's control? worry that their rice bowl broken?if really cheating we must share and expose the crooks.

Icon8888

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Posted by Icon8888 > 2017-04-20 09:50 | Report Abuse

doing charity can be very complicated, and yet it can be very simple

it is complicated when you look at it from your own perspective. For example, "what do I gain from doing that ?", "how do I gain ?", "how do I REALLY gain by not trying to link it back to myself ?", etc..

it becomes very simple when you throw away all the above questions and focus on "how the recipient of my aid will benefit ?"

the whole thing will then become very clear - just do it no need to think too much

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 09:52 | Report Abuse

I do charity now,no want innocent people feed the sharks with their hard earn money the same like I do.

Icon8888

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Posted by Icon8888 > 2017-04-20 09:56 | Report Abuse

I liked to do charity by donating money, then my friends will come and lecture me "donating money not good enough lah, you must physically do more charity work..."

but that is if you are looking at charity from "how will it benefit me" point of view

if you are not really concerned about "how will it benefit me", you will suddenly realise that there is nothing wrong with donating money - the recipient will benefit from the monetary assistance. It is tangible.

Then the whole thing becomes very clear and simple - if you want to do charity by donating money, go ahead and do it. There is nothing wrong if you don't physically get involved.

tkp2

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Posted by tkp2 > 2017-04-20 09:59 | Report Abuse

Icon got wisdom

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 10:00 | Report Abuse

donate money to the sharks by investing in bursa???

Surewin123

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Posted by Surewin123 > 2017-04-20 10:52 | Report Abuse

wah, want do charity? help me oh, im one month trader only....so scare in bursa. Hold my hand please. no gaji haha

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 11:12 | Report Abuse

win

my charity...be steady.

Quotes

"Since the market tends to go in the opposite direction of what the majority of people think, I would say 95% of all these people you hear on TV shows are giving you their personal opinion. And personal opinions are almost always worthless … facts and markets are far more reliable."

meaning most negative news are false. If you are lucky, you will avoid major crashes because major crashes do not happen that often.

Unicorn

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Posted by Unicorn > 2017-04-20 11:14 | Report Abuse

PLAY T+3??? OPERATOR PWN YOU 99!!!

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 11:16 | Report Abuse

charity cannot control the price of Jaks but charity can have positive influence on the trader.



Icon8888 > Apr 20, 2017 09:16 AM | Report Abuse

charity is something you do without anticipating return

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 11:17 | Report Abuse

last 3 months have been heaven for t +3.


y Unicorn > Apr 20, 2017 11:14 AM | Report Abuse

PLAY T+3??? OPERATOR PWN YOU 99!!!

Unicorn

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Posted by Unicorn > 2017-04-20 11:25 | Report Abuse

Aunty uncle punt few thousand of course feel like in heaven. you try punt few hundred K the operator more takut than you.

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 12:05 | Report Abuse

its scalable

Unicorn

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Posted by Unicorn > 2017-04-20 12:21 | Report Abuse

Yea I agree it is scalable. I could have broken say my 100k into 1k per buy. But playing shares you just have to simply think on the operator's perspective. If you play big, somehow you'll have the feeling that someone is marking you. Lel being sensitive..

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 13:38 | Report Abuse

like I say, scalping or intraday trade I cannot do it consistently but some seems able to do it, we call them stockists.

last 3 months, each time I think long term, the profits come immediately.

each time I think short term , the price reverse on me.


I think it has been heaven for many t + 3.

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 14:26 | Report Abuse

i am in T+30 already still lose

Icon8888

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Posted by Icon8888 > 2017-04-20 14:28 | Report Abuse

I on average hold 6 to 9 months before can turn profitable

T+3 never works for me

Icon8888

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Posted by Icon8888 > 2017-04-20 14:34 | Report Abuse

I would have helped if ckwan asks

But he didn't, and he never will

Nobody will go to a forum like this to ask for help for terminal illness

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

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Posted by 人生几何 ~ 尽情博吧 > Apr 20, 2017 02:24 PM | Report Abuse

I remember when the late Mr CKwan telling ppl that he was in poverty line n had cancer, this fellow just asked him to do deep breathing... hahahaha

Posted by Icon8888 > Apr 20, 2017 09:56 AM | Report Abuse

I liked to do charity by donating money, then my friends will come and lecture me "donating money not good enough lah, you must physically do more charity work..."

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 14:37 | Report Abuse

6-9 months so how on earth can make 24-36k during that period?

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 14:39 | Report Abuse

many shares doubled in last 3 months

Apollo Ang > Apr 20, 2017 02:37 PM | Report Abuse

6-9 months so how on earth can make 24-36k during that period?

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 14:40 | Report Abuse

what if bought the stocks that become halve then up only about to make back and not gain yet

PlsGiveBonus

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Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2017-04-20 14:52 | Report Abuse

This bursa is RIGGED
The high will always goes higher
The low will always goes lower
Never buy cheap stock to make quick profit
What working is one single stock can goes up until you drop your jaws while the rest do not want to goes up at all
It is how the operator rigged this system
Ignore the noise if you are gonna hold long term

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 14:57 | Report Abuse

you can improve stock picking using Dynamic Investing and CANSLIM.


ed by Apollo Ang > Apr 20, 2017 02:40 PM | Report Abuse

what if bought the stocks that become halve then up only about to make back and not gain yet

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 14:59 | Report Abuse

doesn't matter. Its how you exploit the situation.


PlsGiveBonus > Apr 20, 2017 02:52 PM | Report Abuse

This bursa is RIGGED

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:00 | Report Abuse

big high chances can make a bit but chase at the wrong timing can lose a lot just like anzo,dataprep and many more

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:02 | Report Abuse

what if u bought canone at RM 5.00 good stock ppl say TP RM 8.00 now what happen if kena like that?

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:03 | Report Abuse

I agreed bursa is rigged and control by bankers nominated by big politicians

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:09 | Report Abuse

rigged also pump and dump....those who bought into these kinda counters wanna go toilet also cannot cos u never know in 5 mins can limit down. this is call manipulation

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:14 | Report Abuse

sc or bursa should issue new law, stocks up or down for 3 days with no reason will be suspended pending any news. if no news it will be remain suspended

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:20 | Report Abuse

no changes required. Bursa is one the healthiest stock market in the world.
I would not trade it for Singapore stock exchange.

Apollo Ang > Apr 20, 2017 03:14 PM | Report Abuse

sc or bursa should issue new law, stocks up or down for 3 days with no reason will be suspended pending any news. if no news it will be remain suspended

SC

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Posted by SC > 2017-04-20 15:23 | Report Abuse

what makes him to be full time trader so eagerly?

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:25 | Report Abuse

bursa the healthiest? hahaha,u must be kidding rite?

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:25 | Report Abuse

dreams...it is a good dream

SC > Apr 20, 2017 03:23 PM | Report Abuse

what makes him to be full time trader so eagerly?

PlsGiveBonus

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Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2017-04-20 15:28 | Report Abuse

Bursa so far never go up beyond 1750 and above for more than how many years?
It is never improve at all
:(

jayalbert

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Posted by jayalbert > 2017-04-20 15:29 | Report Abuse

that will change in the immediate future..

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:31 | Report Abuse

Index is so mislead foreigners..........we participant in non index market

PlsGiveBonus > Apr 20, 2017 03:28 PM | Report Abuse

Bursa so far never go up beyond 1750 and above for more than how many years?
It is never improve at all
:(

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:32 | Report Abuse

I serious.
lots of opportunities

Apollo Ang > Apr 20, 2017 03:25 PM | Report Abuse

bursa the healthiest? hahaha,u must be kidding rite?

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Posted by myongcc5 > 2017-04-20 15:33 | Report Abuse

Not every night will hv good dream, sometime nightmare appear!

Donation to get GLORY is not charity. The money gave has been rewarded with glory, so the deal was done n completed.

PlsGiveBonus

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Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2017-04-20 15:34 | Report Abuse

It may happen only if Dow Jones is above 30,000

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:34 | Report Abuse

living life to the fullest.

myongcc5 > Apr 20, 2017 03:33 PM | Report Abuse

Not every night will hv good dream, sometime nightmare appear!

jayalbert

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Posted by jayalbert > 2017-04-20 15:34 | Report Abuse

@stockmanmy is correct, Bursa is a good place to trade. I wudnt call it the healthiest, but it's a good stock exchange. restrictions r there, but u can still maneuver n make money. i have the knowledge of trading in shanghai/shenzhen stock exchange. one of the peculiar rules that have is if u just pick up a stock for that particular day, u cant sell on the same day. u can only sell the following day onwards. unless, u already have similar stock that u purchased before. of cos, the max up n down of 10% of the value of the stock. but, what i cant tahan is the roller coaster of the stocks, it can go so high in a minute, n it can go down tremendously in the next minute. compared to bursa, we r better.

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:36 | Report Abuse

bursa can be consider healthy if it reverse back to the old trading ways of all units should be 1 lot should be 1000 unit not 100 unit, all brokers commission be the same rate, all due date must be the same not like now some brokerage can offer T+10.if a particular company up or down for 3 consecutive days it will be suspended if no news, all company must have a minimum trading average monthly volume cos many counters untraded for a long period

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:38 | Report Abuse

Shanghai market is just one big con job.

skills cannot pakai.

PlsGiveBonus

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Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2017-04-20 15:38 | Report Abuse

Some stocks can goes down as low as 0 in a few minutes and rebound back to the price again after few hours
Manipulation is strong in bursa

myongcc5

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Posted by myongcc5 > 2017-04-20 15:39 | Report Abuse

Yes, enjoy every moments of life, try to live a balance life.

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-04-20 15:40 | Report Abuse

not true
KLSE has never been better with lowest commission at .1%.




Apollo Ang > Apr 20, 2017 03:36 PM | Report Abuse

bursa can be consider healthy if it revers

jayalbert

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Posted by jayalbert > 2017-04-20 15:40 | Report Abuse

i beg to differ, 10 lots per 1000 shares is better than 1 lot per 1000 shares. more liquidity so does speak. but it was so funny during the conversion period, the remisier then always asked me, u want to buy/sell 1 lot or 10 lots? kikiki

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:42 | Report Abuse

if 1 lot is 1000 units is harder to manipulate, u see many counters being traded at the close matching price done 100 share to make it up or down as they wish

Apollo Ang

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Posted by Apollo Ang > 2017-04-20 15:45 | Report Abuse

bursa only do this cos this is how the operators can easier dispose the illiquid expensive stock such as BAT. the big funds bought in bulk at cheaper price can slowly dispose to retails 100 share each at higher price. just like a wholesale market

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