Investor,

Cheers, Aramaiti...!!!

Mr. Ooi,

Actually u are at disadvantage as u use your actual name. Those who attack u can do so without any loss of reputation as their identities are hidden. U should try and ignore, the more u respond the more joy they get out of disparaging and attacking u.

Posted by Investor48 > Apr 7, 2018 06:39 PM | Report Abuse

Will hold mother but might sell warrant (bought yesterday lowest)
Hehe...

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Same here Investor. I never used to buy warrants until recently.. I bought CV earlier but just bought another batch at 10 cents 2 days ago. Will start selling tomorrow.

Coffee,,

I agree that Hy is both goreng and fundamental stock. As I said its movements are like that of second board stocks of the 90's...I also agree with your statement of cut loss mechanism and missing out etc..I am happy with my approach as I am holding all in cash and can buy down further to average as I believe in its fundamentals and it should revert back to its intrinsic or fair value over mid to long term..

As a goreng stock its volatility allows me to manage my paper losses by selling into rallies and buying in dips. I did profit significantly in its first uptrend and I hope to profit on the next one which I believe will come soon enough.

Some regard it as a red chip stock but I cannot agree with that as its basic demand for refined products is in Malaysia and it cannot have fake goods or fake orders of 3 million shoes...

Personally, I don't think KYY with his margin facilities of RM200m can move HY counter like that..Don't forget his facilities are spread out in other counters.

correction...now having

Posted by lizi > Apr 7, 2018 05:02 PM | Report Abuse

Gator, your trading tactic is so wrong. In the the best result u can get is only break even..
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My primary intention was not to trade...but I am not having to manage my paper losses by selling some into rallies and buying back in dips..

Posted by Ayoyo > Apr 7, 2018 05:04 PM | Report Abuse

@gator, no disrespect but I doubt your remisier would pay attention at all not to mention probably doesn't understand price and volume relationships besides keying in buy and sell.. LOL

In any event, it's good to sell some into gap ups and watch again.. Good luck

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I think so too...he's as old as me...LOL

Posted by Fam Jenny > Apr 7, 2018 04:49 PM | Report Abuse

If it is a faĺling knife don't average down,wait for the bottom price then only average down.
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Not easy to know when its falling knife, as I am not that sophisticated...So I normally invest 20% first, with balance to buy lower...In this case, if I haven't followed it down, I wouldn't have profited yesterday and lowered my average.. Sometimes I do buy up but I try not to...

Posted by Ayoyo > Apr 7, 2018 04:41 PM | Report Abuse

My advice is this, Friday was a high volume day signifying possible end to THIS PHASE of the rally.. .. What I'll do is Sell some into gap ups on Monday (usually a trap), watch if gap is filled, if yes, sell into rebound (if volume on rebound is low)... One more chance to sell is when previous congestion support is broken with volume on the downside..If gap not broken, hold and watch for signs below

If it opens lower on low volume, wait and watch the rebound.. If volume is low heading near previous high and then increases significantly within a range but cannot break high, possible distribution.. It will head lower on a higher volume then trade within a congested range on light volume... Next break down (or up) on high volume is the new trend...

This is called anticipation... Anticipate the possibilities and react accordingly so that you are ready to take action...

Note that this is a trader's view.. And I do have a little left which I'm disposing on Monday.. Good luck

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Ayoyo,

Excellent advice and plan and very much appreciated. Unfortunately I am clueless on such details..but will discuss with my remisier...Yes I am still using remisier when others are online..sigh...

Posted by lizi > Apr 7, 2018 04:39 PM | Report Abuse

Gator u average down from 15 to 7? U really need to learn how to trade,

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Lizi..

First of all I don't have the time to trade...secondly, my approach has always been to hold for mid to long term but when opportunity arises to take profit on about 20% of my holdings. But I have come to realize that HY is a different beast so if opportunity arises in short term I will sell. Its a different beast so needs a different approach.

I think Probability lost a lot of credibility as far as I am concern...

I agree with Dreamliner, buy on dips..although someone said never to average down. I have been averaging down from 15 to below 7. I did make a good profit when I sold all at between 15 to 18 during its uptrend last year, although my intent was to hold as investment...the jump in price within such a short period can only lead me to take full profit. I would be silly not to do so...

During the recent downtrend I have been buying in all the way down at different levels...I don't look at charts generally, no time for it. Furthermore, I think there's operator/syndicate in HY so it may not necessarily behave according to charts.

A different beast, like what Ayoyo says... I think Ayoyo is very good from his postings ...

As per my plan I have sold the batch bought at 6.78 ...next batch bought at 8 level will sell when above 9...KYY said he will hold until 18 but if he bought at 6 and it touches 18 in 6 months I believe he will sell all. That is only natural. Do not begrudge him or anyone that.

What joy is there to revel in the misery of others??? Get a life.

Posted by Yael Jasper > Apr 5, 2018 05:38 PM | Report Abuse

really can short this counter meh?

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Can be done. crossed over a large block with agreed terms esp with major shareholder...sometimes major shareholder will do it himself with nominee accounts. but HY market cap of 300m shares require heavy artillery and must have good story...in this case increasing/decreasing EPS, sentiment, 2 cents div etc, pump or short as the case may be...

3iii is my hengtai oledii wor...

John,

what was strange was 3iii became nice and even said we are Hengtai

and Probability change tune...

Posted by Beary > Apr 5, 2018 09:50 AM | Report Abuse

Maybe orbit is stockraider.....lost his harta in hengyuan

Hahahahahhh.
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Stockraider maybe orbiting in another dimension after going to Tibet...maybe he can do astral projection oledii...

Posted by Lukesharewalker > Apr 5, 2018 09:35 AM | Report Abuse

Shorties coverings position today?

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Operator may borrow shares from shareholder in marriage deal to short until puas puas and than buy back creating another wave up...

Posted by Probability Mar 25, 2018 11:27 PM | Report Abuse

THINK ABOUT THE BELOW FACTS' MIND BOGGLING IMPLICATION.....

At PE 4 with such bright future...please dont be an idiot to sell.


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MAR 16, 2018

Marine fuel standards could create sea change in global oil refining market

https://marketintelligence.spglobal.com/our-thinking/news/marine-fuel-...

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Mayes said global fuel oil demand is about 7.8 million barrels per day, with bunker fuel oil demand accounting for 3.4 MMbbl/d.

"The non-bunker component of fuel oil demand has been declining for decades," he said. "It's being driven lower by regulatory and environmental factors. And so there's a problem assigning [bunker fuel] to homeland use."

Mayes said there would be a "significant diversion" of distillate into the marine fuel market as vessel operators sought to comply with the new standard, which the International Energy Agency pegged at 1.8 MMbbl/d.

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"If we see a spike of nearly 2 MMbbl/d, that's almost a four-year demand increase compressed into a few weeks," he said. "It's hard to see how when you have a demand spike on the distillate side of this magnitude, you're not going to have a pretty sharp increase in prices. It all depends how fast this will play out. …Unfortunately, unlike gasoline, demand for distillate is not elastic to price."

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Sigh....posted on March 25, yesterday say crack spread no good... so fast change...

Disappointed with u...fair weather guy

Probability,

how come u turn your round so fast..computation/analysis now on the downside???

What gives?

Thanks sharewitch, for your rationale. I thought I was one of the few voices in the wilderness. I am sticking to my plan of buying at each predetermined level.

The game is not over unless u are totally out of the market

Fam..I think Investor is not like what u say

Posted by Fam Jenny > Apr 4, 2018 06:41 PM | Report Abuse

There investor is asking you not to buy now when the price is down so much.

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I don't have your same view leh...

Posted by Investor48 > Apr 4, 2018 05:50 PM | Report Abuse

Now what?
All cut loss / cut win

Only left me...brave brave hold kah?
Hehe...
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I still added leh...today at 6.78...

Posted by titus > Apr 4, 2018 05:19 PM | Report Abuse

gator...i waiting for MBB to drop below 5 and PBB to drop below 10.....wishful thinking??? ^

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Ya...unlikely la but never say never, always have spare cash for such moments...I don't wish for that to happen though as many will be reduced to bankrupts...If I may say I was technically in that state in 97/98..I manage to survive but it was a decade lost...

Posted by titus > Apr 4, 2018 05:10 PM | Report Abuse

Alex, i saw this in 1997/98. somehow, it will gradually recover after 1 year. The problem is, at that time i dunno when is the bottom and there is alot of fear. So i sit sideline loh and price recover very slowly until a day....suddenly the price has went back up and i miss the recovery. So i hope i dun miss this 1 le

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Yes...almost everyone shitting in their pants...this was really a case of who dares wins...if you bought Maybank at Rm3 and hold till now easily 10 or 15 bagger including splits and dividends

i just bought in at 6.78..

Posted by Alex™ > Apr 4, 2018 05:06 PM | Report Abuse

I never see this kind of sell down before..

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worse during 97 and Pan El crisis...loss really big time..

Posted by filidon > Apr 4, 2018 02:20 PM | Report Abuse

I wondering short sell regulation is that because government foresee they will win the parliament but with minimum seat, then Stock will have gap down as what happen in the past. Of course later stock will recover because same government = no change

They want to earn Biliion RM from the short sell and kill all ikan bilis
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2013 elections when incumbent won, KLSE went up close to 100 points next trading day, if I remember correctly...could be market euphoria or heavy short covering ...your guess

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i think operator prefers to short or pump individual stocks as they have better control..

Present level of HY is highly likely severely pressed down by operator to colect who may be appointed by Chinaman? Fake news???

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Prices-Poised-To-Rise-As-Cycle-Comes-To-An-End.html

All of the major U.S. hydrocarbon liquids inventories are at historically low levels. The U.S. and all of the OECD countries, whose economies depend heavily on these commodities, should have at least 30 days of supply. EIA reported the following levels of liquid inventories in the U.S. as of March 23, 2018. All of them are lower than the previous week.

• Crude oil: 26.1 days of supply

• Gasoline: 25.6 days of supply

• Jet Fuel: 23.2 days of supply

• Distillates: 32.1 days of supply

• Propane: 24.8 days of supply

Refined products inventories have been low since Hurricane Harvey shut down more than 30 percent of U.S. refining capacity for over two months. The U.S. has struggled to get back to 30 days of supply for most of these critical refined products. The world’s largest economy is heading into the peak period of demand for transportation fuels with very little cushion.

Last year, global demand for products made primarily from oil increased by 2.3 million barrels per day from the first to the second quarter. A similar spike in demand is expected this year. In their March “Oil Market Report”, IEA said that global demand for oil will exceed supply within sixty days.

Posted by 3iii > Apr 4, 2018 09:30 AM | Report Abuse

Gator

Don't instigate

Let's work together

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ok truce...LOL

Rchi,

He's teasing u for a game of banter...he enjoys showing of his expertise....

but if you whack him kaw kaw like apabagus, he may ask for truce...

Ayoyo..u are good...straight to the point..not like someone who likes to pusing pusing and tries to be WB

Posted by Lukesharewalker > Apr 3, 2018 11:13 AM | Report Abuse

makes you wonder where the supply is coming from? seem endless
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I think they sell and create panic...and buy back lower..shakeout until cukup cukup...just follow them

My take ....

Professional traders/operator/IB pressing down to collect. taking advantage of sentiment. Hold on tight and collect more if u can and believe in its FA.

Posted by probability > Apr 2, 2018 08:56 PM | Report Abuse

I only need 5 more votes....CharlesT? Gator? SuperPanda?? anyone...lai lai lai....you can make a big difference.
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Ok will do tomolo...cheers

Relax...take it easy

OTB,

Sorry that so many attacking u but if your conscience is clear that is most important as you will be at peace with yourself..Your inner peace is what counts...

FYI, I didn't buy following u...I just thought HY is a stock with good potential..

OTB,

don't be sad..RChi is poking fun, I think he means u no harm

Posted by rchi > Apr 2, 2018 08:23 PM | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/QQQ3OTB/152688.jsp


come qqq3,be my guest
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LOL...

Posted by Ayoyo > Apr 2, 2018 07:30 PM | Report Abuse

3iii, your Masters thesis can be summarized in one sentence as follows,... Whether one is an investor, speculator or gambler, the time to exit is when the reasons for owning it in the first place are no longer valid... There, done!
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Ayoyo, what can I say...u nailed it. Succinct!

I like apple and coffee

posted by 3iii > Mar 30, 2018 04:37 PM | Report Abuse

Jesse Livermore Reminiscences Of A Stock Operator
This book is worth reading.

Was one before with others...its a game...

I hold and trade some now...its a game....

My average down to about 11...buy some more if 7..

3iii,

I gotcha...u beh tahan dig up my old posts konon..its a game remember?!!

Cheers!

I am not falling for your bait.. I don't think u have much to offer this forum except to make jokes and noises. Adios

Posted by kentwoon > Mar 30, 2018 11:26 AM | Report Abuse

Don’t think 3iii got free tips or free learning, he got motivation.what he motivate and benefits.think your self, the world not free lunch
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He is here to study our trading or investment behavior, he will bait us, mock us and occasionally post WB or investment articles. I don't think he is an investment analyst as he doesn't seem to know valuation, although he claims to be an expert in many things.

It's a game to him...so let him be and just ignore if u can.

come down buy back la