Sutp, I see your point.

Note under the same page
Total Debt (mrq) = 292.58M
Total Cash (mrq) = 7.79B, or 7,790 million

Under the tab Financials -> Balance Sheet -> Quarterly,
Shareholders’ equity (‘000) = 13,113,604, or 13,114 million

Therefore, MRQ D/E = 293/13114 = 2.2%. The website display is misleading.

In fact the company has a net cash of 7,790 – 293 = CNY7,497 million.

Sutp,
Thanks for pointing out Mahsing investment cost is only RM41 (~USD10) per 1,000 piece capacity.

This is actually my point. If ASP remains just USD10 (for Mahsing) or USD 16.8 (for Intco) above their production cost, they recoup their investment in 12 months. Profits can be ploughed back for further expansion.

Given the rather low investment cost and ease of expansion, there are two possibilities. First is ASP comes down a lot faster than predicted by Frost & Sullivan and many analysts. This will discourage further capacity expansion as you’ve mentioned.

The second possibility is ASP remains sufficiently high in the near term. The resulting profit will cover investment cost in months rather than years. The supernormal profits provide bullets to aggressive producers like Intco to continue expansion. The end result is even more capacity comes online by 2022. That could bring down ASP even more, albeit one year later

In either scenarios ASP will still normalize faster than the five year projected by Frost & Sullivan.

I don’t think Intco’s debt to equity ratio is 2.2x. Different financial websites may quote different figures which can be misleading. I check Into’s submitted annual report for 2020.

http://vip.stock.finance.sina.com.cn/corp/view/vCB_AllBulletinDetail.php?stockid=300677&id=6954106

归属于母公司所有者权益合计 (Shareholders’ equity) = CNY 9,344 million

短期借款 (short term borrowing) = CNY 22 million
长期借款 (long term borrowing) = CNY 109 million
应付债券 (bonds) = CNY 121 million
Total debt = 22+109+121 = CNY252 million

Debt to shareholder equity = 252/ 9,344 = 2.7%

Other measures for financial health:
利息保障倍数 (interest coverage ratio) = 299.33
EBITDA全部债务比 (EBITDA to total debt) = 243.65%.

In other words, with debt to EBITDA ratio of 0.41X, it only takes 5 months of 2020 EBITA to fully repay total debt. So I think it has a very strong balance sheet, at least up to recent moment.

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I’ve read the ASP projection by RHB analyst. I think it is based on dubious logic. Let me quote its latest report on Supermax (same logic also applies to its other glove reports):

“We expect USD40.00 to be the long-term ASP for nitrile gloves. As the US plans to build its own gloves manufacturing plants, we estimate cost of production to be USD40.00. This should set the long-term global nitrile gloves price. When ASPs drop below USD40.00, US producers will stop producing and, in the long term, ASPs should revert back to USD40.00.”

It makes little sense that if US production cost is USD40, the global ASP should then be sold at USD40 or higher. In an equilibrium state, the price floor should be set by the lowest cost producers. Before the equilibrium state is reached, price could well fall under the production cost. A good example is last year WTI price fell far below the US shale producer cost (at one point spot price was negative!), driving many to bankruptcy.

Granted gloves are now considered strategic in US. The US government would support local glove producers. But the support can be in the form where federal agencies are mandated to buy supplies from US producers at a higher price than the market, which is actually supported under current federal laws. But for the large majority of private sector users, they will still buy at the market price, the lower the better. US private sectors will revolt if they are forced to pay foreign supplied gloves at a high price say USD40 set artificially by the cost price of US inefficient producers.

This is why I can be skeptical of analyst projection. Too many are engaged in backward engineering of their calls and then pick convenient excuses as supporting facts.

Last, I don't mean to discourage the glove investment thesis by you or anyone else. I just hope that by arguing for the opposite, just like you arguing for the positive side of the thesis, we help one another reduce confirmation bias and make a better decision. This discussion has been a pleasure!

Pjseow, thank you for sharing your calculation.

I agree Supermax should command a higher ASP because of its ODM model. However, the ODM model also incurs higher sales & distribution cost. Note that pre-pandemic Supermax has lower operating margin and net margin when compared to Harta.

My RM10b for 100b piece capex estimate for Top Glove is a rough number. But it’s based on Top Glove own press release during the latest quarter. In page 2 it states that
“To this end, the Group has earmarked RM10 billion for CAPEX over the next 5 years from FY2021 to FY2025, which will increase its current production capacity by about 100 billion pieces of gloves to a total production capacity of over 200 billion pieces of gloves.”

https://www.topglove.com/App_ClientFile/7ff8cb3f-fbf6-42e7-81da-6db6a0ab2ef4/Assets/Quarterly%20report/Top%20Glove%202QFY2021%20Press%20Release.pdf

Chinese Yuan has strengthened since May 2020. But US QE lifts all boats, Malaysian Ringgit included. While Malaysian mishandling of pandemic (which also impacts our glove producers vis-à-vis the Chinese) and poor fiscal health could weaken the Ringgit, a USD60-70 crude oil price provides good support.

Having said that, I think exchange rate doesn’t play a big role in this context. We are talking about the difference between current operating margin of close to 70% versus pre-pandemic level of 10+%. Forex could at most make only a few percent differences. Besides there is capital control in China, and government intervenes to prevent sharp appreciation/ depreciation. Four years of Trump’s actions have not succeeded in pushing up the currency beyond what the Chinese policy maker has allowed it to go.

On gas price. I know Malaysian glove producers use natural gas in the manufacturing heating process. But cheapness is actually relative. Recall in 2019 glove makers actually complained sudden increase in gas price by Gas Malaysia.

Actually this is not the first time I read about Malaysian advantage in cheap gas as compared to the Chinese. However, do Chinese glove producers used gas like their Malaysian counterparts? I actually doubt so.

Refer to Intco annual report. It mentions
能源方面，公司所需的主要能源为煤炭，已为所有营运中的生产基地取得了能耗指标，并在安庆（安徽）及岳阳（湖南）生产基地投资热电联产项目，加强公司在能源消耗方面的成本控制。

http://vip.stock.finance.sina.com.cn/corp/view/vCB_AllBulletinDetail.php?stockid=300677&id=6954106

In other words, the main energy usage by Intco is coal. It also has energy production JV to control costs. While coal is dirty, it is much cheaper than gas. That is also true in Malaysia, which is why we still commissioned the last coal-fired power plant this year, and coal plants will only start phasing out by 2030. Yes, China will also phase out coal under its net zero policy. But China is a leader in renewable energy, where production cost keeps plummeting.

Anyway, like exchange rate, I don’t see the energy cost plays a big factor in the ASP/ production competitiveness in the next few years.


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Pjseow, I’ve put in all I know about glove industry in my many exchanges with Ben Tan earlier, which you also joined occasionally.

I’ve been a believer in glove secular growth long before the pandemic. I must admit that I’m underweight in glove now. I closely follow the development in order to rebalance at the right time.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a crystal ball either. As I explained before, from the lessons learned from other industries, I’m doubtful of Frost & Sullivan ASP projection. It assumed a gradual ASP decline which remained elevated up to 2025, and that contradicts experiences elsewhere.

You’ve put forward good arguments on why glove is not like agricultural products. When ASP is depressed, incumbent glove producers can restrain capacity expansion plan (they did in the past) or scale back capacity utilization.

Let’s examine the logic in more details. First, unfortunately the relative ease to adjust output level is a double-edged sword. It also means it's relatively easy to expand capacity, for newcomers too. That is why I believe ASP will normalize faster than Frost & Sullivan has projected.

Of course, the ability to restrain output could help putting a floor to the ASP. The nitrile glove ASP level per 1,000 pieces between 2015-19 was around USD23. Incumbent producers made money at this level. Supermax net margin then was 8% to 12%, and Harta was 15% to 18%.

At this level, many smaller new entrants will struggle. But they won’t throw in the towel immediately. Some have actually been in the business for a long time and were acquired by other non-glove listed companies. With access to capital, these “new” players can still survive a price war for considerable time.

I agree the Malaysian Big Four will weather the storm and even prosper after that. However, the same cannot be said of individual shareholders. It depends on their average entry price. Besides, the share price could depress further should ASP ever falls to the low 20s level faster than expected. That will test shareholders’ conviction and emotional strength.

Now bring China into the picture. As mentioned before, previously the Malaysian Big Four had tacit understanding to restrain capacity expansion when demand was weak. Not so easy now with new big players in the form of Intco and Blue Sail. It is just like OPEC + Russia have more challenges maintaining price level when shale producers disrupted the equilibrium.

It would help if Malaysian Big Four are still the most efficient producers. But they may no longer be. Labor related benefits are already rising to fend off sanction threat by CBP and the like. Locally the dire state of government finance does not help as people start clamoring for windfall tax.

On the other hand, Chinese producers like Intco is every bit as efficient as the Malaysian Big Four. In 1Q2021, the operating margin of Supermax, Hartalega and Intco Medical are 68.5%, 68.2% and 65.7% respectively.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/7106.KL/financials?p=7106.KL
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/5168.KL/financials?p=5168.KL
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/300677.SZ/financials?p=300677.SZ

The Chinese receives strong local government support. I’ve shared this example before. When Intco signed an agreement with Jiangxi 彭泽县 county, the local government was responsible to deliver 800 acres of land priced at only CNY40,000 (RM25,000) per acre. In comparison, last year Harta paid RM 263 million for 38 hectares of land at Sepang, or RM2.77 million per acre. In other words, Harta’s land cost is more than 100 times of Intco.

http://www.szse.cn/disclosure/listed/bulletinDetail/index.html?05bdcdcb-ca2c-4db4-9e07-741fded2df81

I’ve done some calculation comparing the Capex per 1,000 pieces. Intco budgeted CNY5 billion for the Jiangxi 彭泽县 county project, for an annual capacity of 45.75 billion according (refer Feb 2021 announcement). That is equivalent to Capex per 1,000 pieces of CNY109.29 or USD16.81 (at exchange rate of 6.5).

As a comparison, To Gloves announced target of 100 billions capacity with RM10 billion investment, i.e. per 1,000 pieces Capex is at RM100 or USD25 (assume exchange rate of 4), much higher.

Based on the disclosed information, I have to conclude that the currently still high ASP is actually dangerous for Malaysian producers. Say ASP is maintained at USD60 for a while longer. Based on 1Q21 net profit margin of 55%, by selling every 1,000 pieces Into can record a net profit of USD33. It can pay for new capacity of 2,000 pieces per annum! Or sell 1 piece can fund capacity for 2 more pieces!

Intco’s stated aim is to expand fast and grab market share. It will expand like crazy as long as it has the funds. It's a proxy to China's supply threat. While I'm unable to forecast the ASP, the development there could offer hint on the future ASP trend.

RM5 cash per share, or about RM1.6 billion cash. It sits in Hong Leong Bank, earning peanuts for HLIND shareholders. But it is a cheap and stable source of funding for HLBANK shareholders.

You have to be a HLBANK shareholder too to enjoy the full benefit of the cash!

Sutp, thank you for your blog which is based on data and analysis. I'm sure any readers will learn something regardless of their position.

The fortune of glove stocks will largely be determined by the ASP trend in coming quarters. The ASP trend is in turn decided by the supply-demand dynamic.

As a rule of thumb, a supernormal profit situation cannot last for long without protection from high entry barriers such as regulation, high IP content, high upfront investment or network effect. Unfortunately the incumbent glove companies do not have such protections. Their key advantage is in efficiency. In other words, through economy of scale and accumulated past knowledge, they can produce at lower unit cost and crush new rivals through competitive pricing.

Therefore it's not a surprise that before the pandemic, Supermax has only modest operating margin of 10% to 13%, and net margin of about 10% for most of the last decade (but last 12 months was about 70% and 50% respectively). Even Hartalega operating margin is in the range of 20% and net margin in mid teens. I expect when ASP fully normalizes, margin will revert to pre-pandemic level, if not lower. Any excess profits would be competed away either by incumbents' own capacity expansion or by new capacity from rivals. The question is how long the process will take.

You mentioned Frost & Sullivan report. Frankly I'm not too convinced with their ASP projection. I note that Frost & Sullivan is not a disinterested party. It was appointed by Top Glove as the industry consultant for Top Glove's Hong Kong listing. I've come across many Frost & Sullivan reports used by other company IPOs in a variety of industries. I have yet to come across one report where its projection has undermined the company IPO attempt.

The said Frost & Sullivan Report can be found in page 96 in the HKEX listing document below. The projected ASP (per 1,000 pieces) for nitrile glove is USD85.1 in 2021, USD53.5 in 2022, USD35.1 in 2023.
https://www1.hkexnews.hk/app/sehk/2021/103230/documents/sehk21022601984.pdf

I agree forecasting beyond a year is difficult. But I have doubt in Frost & Sullivan because their projected ASP decline is too gradual. In their projection, ASP will not even return to the 2015-2019 historical average of USD23 five years from now! Given that glove sector has a low barrier of entry, I will expect excess supply to reach the market much sooner than Frost & Sullivan has thought.

This is the economic principle of free market economy at play. The same pattern has happened many times in other industries like solar panel, oil, steel, and more recently face masks. (Perhaps many Malaysians will also be surprised to learn that global vaccine production capacity was 3 billion pre pandemic, but is projected to reach 11 billion by end of 2021, and over 20 billion by end of 2022!)

For that reason, in order to understand opportunities of Malaysian glove sector, I watch Chinese producers closely. There are a few listed glove makers there. By now most people will be familiar with Intco Medical.

As of 2019, Intco Medical annual capacity was only 19 billion pieces, of which only 5 billion pieces were in nitrile gloves. By now its capacity has reached 45 billion pieces, of which 21 billion are in nitrile gloves. In has leapfrogged competitors to become the world second largest producer.

Refer to the company response to investor on May 7 below. Intco expects new production lines at Anhui and Jiangxi provinces to double its nitrile glove capacity by end of Q3. It expects annual capacity to reach 120 billion by Q2 of 2022. If the projection is right, Intco could have easily close the global glove shortage gap as projected by MARGMA (I'm also not sure how robust is MARGMA forecast methodology).

http://irm.cninfo.com.cn/ircs/company/companyDetail?stockcode=300677&orgId=9900032727

The NBR capacity constraint is being addressed too. In Aug 2020 Intco invested in a project with 50 million ton NBR capacity to be completed in 15 months. A phase 1 installation of 30 million ton capacity is on going according to its announcement to the stock exchange. The announcement also mentions that currently the NBR shortages situation have been addressed as many domestic NBR producers have expanded production.

http://static.cninfo.com.cn/finalpage/2021-04-19/1209718506.PDF

As a check point, I want to watch whether Intco can deliver the doubling of its nitrile glove capacity by Q3 this year. If t does, the Frost & Sullivan ASP projection will be in serious trouble. The Malaysian glove stock valuation may have to adjust accordingly based on a lower ASP.

How important are agencies like NPG to the growth of Allianz life insurance? I ask because the agency glamorous image, while helping recruitment, is at odd with the conservative & reliable insurance image projected to customers.

Could there be some inherent risk?

Slide 7 shows the core profit before tax (which strips out the effects of fair value loss). For the past 5 quarters, the core PBTs are
1Q2021, RM130.7m
4Q2020, RM192.2m
3Q2020, RM176.0m
2Q2020, RM206.5m
1Q2020, RM116.2m

While core PBT increased 12% YoY, it declined 34% QoQ. Is this good or bad? I wonder if insurance business has strong seasonality effect, where results tend to be stronger towards the year end?

Market share for General Insurance is maintained at 13.3% (No 1). Life increase from 7.7% to 8.8% (but position dropped from 5th to 6th)

On the life side, Annualized New Premium continues to grow. ANP for the past 5 quarters:
1Q2021, RM171.3m
4Q2020, RM167.7m
3Q2020, RM150.7m
2Q2020, RM90.8m
1Q2020, RM122.6m

However I don't understand how to relate the new business value of RM82.6m to the ANP of RM171.3m. Appreciate if anyone can explain.

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It only becomes a concern if inflations morph into the 3rd scenario which is above 4%. If that happens (current market consensus is it won’t), the Fed’s ability to rein in inflation will be questioned. To retain its credibility, the Fed will have to tighten forcefully, potentially triggering a recession. This will be bad for equity.

Of course, it will be a catastrophe if US goes back to its double digit inflation days (scenario 4). Foreign creditors will see their US Treasuries holdings evaporate in value. The USD reserve currency status will become shaky. With the fiat currency in turmoil, physical gold will be a very sought-after asset.

However, the reality today is US is still in scenario 1 (which is 2% or lower inflation). 2021Q1 core PCE (a preferred measure of inflation by Fed) is only 1.5%
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BPCCRO1Q156NBEA

We’re only taking about entering scenario 2 (2% to 4%) territory. I think it’s a bit premature to worry about scenarios 3 or 4.

I agree the velocity of money is picking up. But take a look at this velocity of M2 Money Stock chart from St. Louis Fed.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

I have two observations:
(A). The velocity is only picking up now, from a very low base. The current situation is actually just a reflation. There is no sign high inflation or overheating.

(B) The velocity of money has been dropping steadily over the past 20 years. Even after 4 rounds of QEs since 2009, with trillions “printed”, the velocity of money is still trending downward. This is a strong evidence that there are larger deflationary forces at work. That's why deflation rather than inflation has been a greater enemy in the last decade.

It’s difficult for me to talk about risk of inflation without quantifying the inflation. So I shall discuss 4 different inflation scenarios:
1. 2% or below
2. 2% to 4%
3. 4% to high single digits
4. Double digits

As can be seen from the chart below, core inflation (which excludes the volatile energy and food prices) have been trending downwards, another sign of structural deflationary forces at work. In the past decade, there were more years where inflation was below 2% than years above 2%.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/core-inflation-rate

That’s why Fed wants to pursue a more “robust” inflation. As the new Fed policy now targets an “average” 2% over a period, the Treasury market expectation for inflation 5 years from today is at 2.37%

I noted this is at the lower end of the 2% to 4% range. I think it's very acceptable. The stock market could tolerate it.

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Hi Ben, thanks for your reply.

I didn't read Part 1 of your article earlier until you pointed out above. I just read up and commented. We could continue our discussion there if you wish to.

Hi Ben, let’s see if I get your central idea in this article.

You mentioned the “unrealized monetary value depreciation”. This was the result of Fed money printing (and more importantly government handing out cash directly to people, meaning printed money won't just sit idly as bank reserves)

You mentioned that “inflation can only get realized when countries start decisively going out of the pandemic”. The key evidence is high personal saving rate is at a record high. When the saving gets spent down as economy normalizes, inflation could follow because lots of money would chase after limited goods and services.

I agree that the high personal saving now would contribute to inflation later. However, I believe the the impact is modest and only temporary. For the rest of this comment I would focus on the personal saving.

Below is the data on US personal saving in absolute term (which should match your chart in percentage term), as published by the St. Louis Fed.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PMSAVE

There are a few key data points which I would refer to later:
Feb-2020 (eve of Covid-19 outbreak in US): USD1.4 trillion personal saving
April-2020: USD6.4 trillion saving
Nov-2020: USD2.1 trillion saving
Jan-2021: USD3.8 trillion saving
Feb-2021: USD2.5 trillion saving
Mar-2021: USD3.0 trillion saving.

For perspective, the total US personal income in 2020 is about USD20 trillion. Therefore, throughout the last 1 year, the saving rate fluctuated between 1 to 4 months of personal income.

There are two spikes in the personal saving chart. The spikes correspond to the first two rounds of stimulus passed by the US governments.

Under the first round of CARES Act most tax paying adult received up to USD1,200 per person. There were also increased unemployment benefits. They were largely responsible for the first spike that peaked in Apr 2020. Notice the USD6.4 trillion personal saving in Apr 2020 got spent down to only USD2.1 trillion by Nov 2020. It didn't cause any inflation concern (not a surprise given the weaker economy during the pandemic)

The second spike in personal saving up to USD3.8 trillion in Jan-2021 corresponded to Trump’s second stimulus bill in Dec 2020. It came with a smaller USD600 stimulus cheque per person. That is why the spike is smaller. The personal saving got spent down to USD2.5 trillion by the next month. Again the spending down did not create high inflation.

The third spike in personal saving is building up now. It is largely the results of Biden’s USD1,400 per person stimulus cheques that started flowing out since Mar 2021. Although the April data has not been published, I expect a new height would be reached in April.

Given the economy is much stronger now, the spending down of this third spike in personal saving could be more inflationary. But not much more. More importantly it won’t last. There is no more stimulus cheques! (The other USD2.3 trillion infrastructure bill currently under negotiation is another matter, which can be discussed separately)

In other words, despite the incredible spikes in personal saving rate as shown in your chart, the impact to overall inflation has been really minimal. We’ve already seen two rounds where a few trillions USD were spent down, topped up and spent down again without overheating the economy. Throughout the pandemic last year US CPI never exceeded 2% (only now it was at 2.6% based on latest Mar-2021 data)

Yes, most people agree that US inflation would pick up in the coming months. But the contribution from the trillions of personal savings would be limited and only transitionary.

This is not the usual one to one chess. It's a multiple player simultaneous chess. That's why it's hard. One can either make a side bet or be a spectator.

Not fake news. This is just the opening move of a new chess game. The last game lasted over a year with no winner.

EPF has several hundreds billions invested in local equity, restricted to about 200 companies. Some funds are managed by external managers which may have different strategies. So it's not a surprise to see EPF everywhere.

Not sure how EPF views Litrak. But personally I see Litrak as quite defensive at prevailing price. It has limited downside and offers stable dividends until concessions expire. It complements more risky holdings in a portfolio. However I don't expect much capital appreciation.

Ben, thanks for your article on the important topic of inflation outlook.

My view is the inflation expectation in US has gone up mainly due to optimism about reopening of economy. 45% of US population has received at least one jab, way higher than many have expected just a few months ago. Daily confirmed cases have dropped from a peak of 25k to less than 5k now.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states

Higher inflation expectation is also encouraged by the Fed with its plenty of patience in holding off rate hike. In Aug 2020 the Fed has announced that instead of targeting 2% inflation, it would target inflation that AVERAGES 2% over time.

While the Fed is silent on how long is the average duration, most people believe the Fed would be sanguine to let inflation runs to say 3% in the coming quarters to compensate for the shortfall in earlier period. This could help to put the economy on a firmer footing. This would reduce deflationary risk due to frequent undershooting of target in the last decade.

Besides a little push on the wage increase helps to reduce income inequality in the US. Inequality has been feeding the dangerous populist sentiments and creating a fertile ground for demagogues like Donald Trump.

Yes, there is a risk that the Fed monetary policy, coupled with Biden's expansionary fiscal policy, could bring back double digit inflation like what happened in the 70’s.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

But so far there is little evidence of wage-price spiral that was necessary for persistent high inflation. Higher wages is the key to high inflation given close to 80% of the US economy is contributed by services. As long as wage growth remains moderate, as many expect it to be, the commodity price rise in crude oil, copper, lumber and so on is likely to be transitionary. Besides, technological advances are deflationary in nature given it replaces manpower.

I note that not even Larry Summers, who has strongly criticized Biden’s stimulus, has boldly predicted the comeback of high inflation. Summers has covered himself with plenty of ifs.

In fact if one were to believe in the market verdict, participants in the Treasury market bet with their money that the US inflation rate 5 years from now is 2.3%

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T5YIFR

Of course, a 2% to 3% inflation rate in US does not provide comfort for Malaysians if we experience much higher inflation.

Looking at Malaysia past situation, normally the risk of high inflation comes from sharp depreciation of the Ringgit, especially during a financial crisis which leads to capital flight.

That’s why I don’t agree with your view that a person living in Malaysia should focus his investment in Malaysia. I believe a healthy dose of diversification out of Malaysia is important. Not necessarily just US, or China for that matter. For example, a typical retailed investor may invest in good track record unit trusts that invest in the region or even globally. Better still, dollar cost averaging into low-cost ETFs that track US, European and AP market.

But there is a more important decision than selecting which share market, which sector or even which stocks. A well thought through asset allocation plan is crucial to help investors ride through all market conditions. So to me the most important decision is the percentage allocation into cash, equity (foreign and local), bonds, real estate and even precious metals.

Take three typical scenarios that associate with the inflation rates:
1) Deflation (negative inflation) – as experienced by Japan in 90s and 2000s, or by HK in late 90s and early 2000s. Government bonds will outperform (but this does not apply to developing country government bonds given the tendency of capital flight). Cash is an alternative option

2) Mild inflation – like most of the years in US from 80s and now. Actually S&P 500 return since 1980 is about 100 folds!

3) High inflation – Not just bonds and cash, but stocks will suffer too, as most companies cannot pass on cost increase fast enough. It will be even worse during stagflation, where companies also suffer from weak demand. When there are fears about debasement of fiat currencies, I believe gold will make a comeback. Gold has not only been tested in the 1980s high inflation period, but also in many war periods centuries ago.

As for cryptocurrencies, I believe it is an expression of easy liquidity today. When there is a systemic risk that the world is falling apart (though very unlikely in my view), individuals as well as country central banks will prefer to hold physical gold rather than Bitcoin, Ethereum, not to mention dogecoin, as they all rely on a functionating Internet to verify transactions!

Of course it's good for the 43% shareholder Gamuda. It's their proposal!

As for the rest, it depends on individual entry price and the final offer price. A 4.5 offer should be good enough for anyone who bought at 3.7 last week, right?

It reminds me of a tale from a Chinese idiom. The owner wanted to ration the food supply to his monkeys. So he tried to strike a deal by offering the monkeys 3 fruits in the morning and 4 in the evening. The monkeys protested.

But the owner had good knowledge of financial engineering. So he next proposed 4 fruits in the morning and 3 in the evening, which made the monkeys happy and accepted the better offer.

Motorists don't want to pay for higher toll. So the government tells concessionaires not to raise toll.

But the government is short of money to compensate concessionaires. Gamuda the concessionaire also needs money to fund its Penang Transport Master Plan project.

So Gamuda has come up with a "clever" financial engineering so that everyone can have the cake and eat it too!

Toll will be frozen. In return the government needs to offer longer concession period (like PLUS). And instead of a government buyout, a non-profit Highway Trust will raise money by issuing bonds to buy highways from Gamuda and Litrak minority shareholders. To sweeten the deal, the government also needs to provide tax exemption.

In a nutshell, it's to take advantage of the current low interest rate environment by swapping the more expensive equity ownership (since cost of equity is higher) with the cheaper bond (as cost of debt is lower). The government does not fork out a single cent but just use its power to sweeten the deal.

I recall in 2019 Gamuda accepted the valuation at RM5.2

Given current concessions are shorter by 2 years, dividends has been paid out during the interim, and the temporary traffic reduction due to the pandemic, logically it should worth less now. I think RM4 plus should be fair? Probably at the lower end of RM4?

Let’s digress a bit. Yes, I also read about Prof Jomo’s remark to impose windfall tax on industries that greatly benefit from the Covid-19 crisis. No doubt it will impact glove stock share price if the government were to take his advice. May be there will be some sort of compromise later, like another round of contribution by the large glove makers to relieve the pressure.

Windfall tax will not doubt hurt Malaysia’s image. The country has been lagging behind regional peers in wooing foreign investors. It will also deter local investment. However, to put things in perspective, Malaysia will not the first countries to impose such a tax. In fact within Malaysia the glove industry will also not be the first to “suffer”. Utilities and palm oil producers have paid/ been paying windfall tax.

In fact, I consider it’s even more unfair for palm oil producers, many of them are struggling, to have to share their “windfall” whenever CPO price merely exceeds RM2,500 per MT (RM3,000 in East Malaysia). This so-called windfall levy on palm oil companies is based on selling price rather than profit. As a result, even loss-making palm oil companies have to share their “windfall”. If the tax has to be imposed, it should be on a real “windfall” situation, i.e. that is currently enjoyed by glove companies.

There are two common arguments against imposing windfall tax on glove companies. First argument is glove is not commodity like palm oil. There are many different types of gloves like surgical, cleanroom and so on. There are also branded and OEM. However, on the other hand, unlike say electronic products, there are only so many types of gloves. So, I believe this is mere technical issue that could be resolved, even if not very satisfactorily.

A better argument is a windfall tax will defer glove producers from further investment, and may even drive them to invest abroad. That’s why I think the windfall tax will have to be designed in a clever way to encourage continuous domestic investment. For example, part of the tax should be exempted if investment in Malaysia is above certain threshold. This will encourage glove companies to invest their profits but discourage it from splashing on dividends or stock buybacks.

The next question is that, if government discourage dividend when glove companies have record profits, who will want to invest in glove company stocks? The share price will sink. But actually this doesn’t really matter from the economy stand point. The glove shares are currently traded in the secondary market (Bursa). No matter how high or low the share prices are, it is not going to increase or decrease company capital which is needed for investment.

It only matters when companies want to raise new fund through IPO or placement or right issues. But with record profits it is very unlikely that leading Malaysian glove companies need to raise fresh capital in the next few years. At least not in Malaysia. The secondary listing by Supermax and TG are to take place outside Malaysia anyway.

I suppose many glove investors won’t like my view. In a nutshell what I want to say is I agree that windfall tax should never be imposed in an ideal world. However, Malaysia is far from ideal, and windfall tax already exists today and get imposed on the wrong targets. So I think a carefully calibrated windfall tax on glove companies is not necessarily a bad idea, especially if it can relieve the pressure on public finance and offer respite to palm oil companies.

Ben, thanks for your analysis. Thank you for the effort in keeping everyone informed on the latest development.

I agree that Supermax statement on the ASP drop is not very clear. But since it’s part of the press statement I don’t expect detailed elaboration. However, analysts who attend the post result briefing should clarify and report accordingly.

Taking a step back, I see the market sell off as a sign where investors believe ASP has reached a turning point sooner than expected (though Harta may have 1 more quarter). Just a few months ago, the market consensus was ASP would remain elevated throughout the 2021, perhaps with only gradual decline in second half of 2021. A drop of 15% to 25% in the first quarter has badly dented analyst forecast for 2021. That’s why in today research reports on Supermax analysts slashed revenue, earning, cashflow and the resulting TP.

Supermax press release also mentions about large-scale increase in public listed Chinese rivals. Although it doesn’t name them, the high-profile ones are Intco Medical, Blue Sail Medical and Zhonghong. Actually Intco Medical also had a record revenue and profit in Q1 2021. Q1 revenue of CNY 6,735 million was 38% higher QoQ. Operating margin at 66% is on par with Malaysian glove producers.

Intco is still aggressive with its expansion plan. A subsidiary is building a Nitrile Butadiene Rubber facility with a capacity of 500,000 metric tons in Anhui province. The company announced that the first phase with 300,000 metric tons of NBR is already under installation. Intco also projects another 120 billion pieces of glove capacity come online by Q2 of 2022.

However, like Malaysian glove producers, Intco share price has weakened since the last few months (from the height of 280 to 160). Currently Intco is only valued at a TTM PE of about 5 times. So both the largest (TG) and second largest (Intco) glove makers in the world are now selling at 5 times!

In a sense that may be good news for Malaysian producers. It means Intco will face challenge in raising large amount of capital in Hong Kong. Actually, I suspect TG also faces the same challenge. TG recent announcement to halve the size of its HK listing is not so much due to consideration of not diluting Malaysian investors (if so why go ahead in the first place), but probably because TG bankers have difficulty securing enough interests from new investors.

If my guess is right, that will actually be favorable for leading Malaysian players for they can continue to expand and defend their market share using internally generated funds. That is the plan of Hartalega and Supermax as they only give out meagre dividends, preferring to plough their profits for expansion and defense against the Chinese.

Just an side note.

Ping An Insurance (HKEX stock code 2318) diluted EPS for past 4 quarters is CNY 8.11, or HKD 9.73. The closing price today is HKD82.1, translating into a TTM PE of only 8.4 times. This is commonly viewed as the best managed insurance company in China -- impressive growth (although growth has flattened during pandemic; ROE ~20%.

The situation of Malaysia and China may not be comparable. However I wonder for an international investor would Ping An be relatively more attractive?

Any comment yuwei?

@limyuwei, thanks for sharing HLA business performance.

Slide #16 shows the EV, which is an information not provided by Allianz. Do you have any comment on the EV and NBEV by HLA? In your view how does HLA perform vis-à-vis other insurers?

Slide #17 mentions HLA focuses on no-par and investment-linked products as they have higher NBEV margin. Can you explain why such products have higher margin? What is the situation at Allianz?

The concessionaire of the Maju Expressway has deferred its bond coupon payment.

It was reported that
""The Covid-19 pandemic and resultant MCO slashed the average daily traffic of the Maju Expressway by 39.1% to only 88,970 vehicles in 2020 (2019: 145,987 vehicles). This in turn severely weakened the earnings and cash flow-generating ability of MESB, the concessionaire of Maju Expressway"

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/highway-operator-mex-ii-defers-bond-coupon-payment

This news is negative to highway concessionaire companies. Although LDP and Sprint may fare better, and Litrak has a stronger balance sheet, it would still be impacted by low traffic at least in the short term.

May be it is related to Bursa filings last week that show founders disposing their shares.

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_information/announcements/company_announcement/announcement_details?ann_id=3147907

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_information/announcements/company_announcement/announcement_details?ann_id=3147909

Focusing on Litrak alone may risks missing out the bigger picture. There have been talks about a highway trust.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2020/08/29/tok-pa-govt-studying-proposal-to-set-up-highway-trust-body-in-malaysia-redu/1898404

http://www.sharetisfy.com/2020/08/highway-trust-is-probably-way-to-go.html

BTW did you get the 2020 Q3 GI book value by subtracting segment assets from segment liabilities? I refer to Note A14. The result is 7,141.964 - 4.498,799 = RM2,643 million.

Working in this way, the value of life insurance = 13,817.214 - 12,674.509 = RM1,143 million is actually smaller (though life insurance is valued at higher multiples in M&A)

I agree with you.

However, an acquirer normally pay a premium for controlling stake during M&A. The acquirer either believe they can turn around the acquisition target or there is synergy to be unlocked. Retail investors may not adopt this M&A mentality in valuation. Typical retail investors have shorter investment horizon. They want to see fast result and make quick bucks.

Fortunately, Allianz has increased the dividend payout since 2019 which makes long-term holding bearable. But on the flip side, does it mean the management returns excess capital to shareholders because they see less room for growth?

Hi Yu Wei, thanks for your input. The Am Invest report quoted PB of 0.6x, which has ignore the full convertibility of ICPS.

Including ICPS, the diluted net asset per share is RM11.64. PB on diluted basis = RM13.50/ RM11.64 = 1.16x.

But I agree it's still lower than all the M&A figures reported.

Any view on the AmBank and Affin Bank disposal?

AmBank may dispose AmGeneral & AmMetLife to shore up its capital following the RM2.83 billion settlement on IMDB.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2020/04/16/ammb-insu...

Reports also mention Affin Bank may dispose Axa Affin General and Axa Affin Life. But this was not news as it was reported back in 2019.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/possible-insurance-jv-disposal-...

Allianz was mentioned as a potential suitor. I hope it won’t overpay. Any view on the opportunity and the realignment of insurance business landscape?

One brokerage report has quoted an average PB of 1.9X and 3.0X PB for local general and life insurer M&A. Another report uses a different set of multiples at 1.6X and 1.9X. Does anyone has past M&A PB multiples that we can use to value Allianz?

As of 2020Q4, Allianz has a book value of RM4,032 million Any idea what’s the split between general and life? I note that during FY2020 life has contributed higher gross written premium, but general has contributed higher PBT.

@PaulTsai, it's reassuring to learn from a regular road user that he expects busy traffic :)

@Zackmeiser, I'm not familiar with the company. Based on news it had other concessions that offer continuous support.

RM4 per share upon liquidation? That's highly unlikely. It represents RM4 * 532 million > RM2 billion, or about 8 to 10 years of annual profits! Note the largest asset on its balance sheet, the Highway Development Expenditure, is depreciated yearly such that it is zero by the time concessions end. Litrak is a company of dwindling asset (and debt too).

Are there any regular users of Litrak highways who could share their experience and outlook?

My impression of LDP is that certain sections could be packed at peak hours. But that was before Covid-19 pandemic. With the change in work culture and proliferation of online shopping today, how long would it take for LDP traffic to recover to pre-pandemic level? Or will it ever?

How about SPRINT? My impression is traffic was light. Would that change when the pandemic is over? What are the developments around those areas that could add/ subtract traffic?

There is precedence of toll concessions handed back to government. Below is produced from Google search.

“MTD Infra is the country's second largest toll concessionaire. Through its wholly-owned subsidiaries, MTD Prime Sdn Bhd (MTD Prime) and Metramac Corporation Sdn Bhd (Metramac), MTD Infra holds the concessions for the Kuala Lumpur-Karak Highway (KLK) and its extension, the East Coast Expressway Phase 1 (ECE 1), the East-West Link Expressway (East-West Link) and the Kuala Lumpur-Seremban Expressway (KL-Seremban).

Metramac Corporation Sdn Bhd was granted the concession on four toll roads in 1992 under a Replacement Concession Agreement signed with Datuk Bandar Kuala Lumpur. The four toll roads under the concession awarded to Metramac Corporation Sdn Bhd are Jalan Pahang, Jalan Cheras, East-West Link Expressway and the KL-Seremban Expressway. Tolling commenced on September 1991 for Jalan Cheras and on 1 August 1995 for Jalan Pahang, East-West Link and the KL-Seremban Expressways.

The toll concession of Jalan Cheras and Jalan Pahang were handed over to the Government on 14 September 2003 and 18 March 2004, respectively.”

Toll collection at Cheras was finally abolished in 2011. I’m not sure about the details, except that Cheras toll had massive jams regularly and was a hot political issue before toll abolishment.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2011/05/16/toll-abolished-at-cheras-pjbound-plazas-of-metramac-highway

KYY said "Currently, KPS, Dominant and MNRB have dropped to almost the price levels as when I posted my buy recommendation articles." That means the "KYY's effects" have weaned off.

But if a stock is truly underrated, the market will discover its value sooner or later, with or without KYY. We can judge the quality of KYY's calls say 6 months later.

KYY has published five "underrated" stocks in less than 3 weeks which you can find in his blog.
http://koonyewyin.com/2021/03/

One thing good about KYY is he doesn't delete his posts. I've compiled the stock price performance since his publication. The measurement is based on closing price which is the commonly accepted way of measuring performance. After all, if a stock is truly underrated, we should expect closing price to trend higher in the future after its value is "discovered".

The results so far:

(1)
KPS "most underrated". Published on Mar 9 where closing price was RM0.93. In the subsequent days the highest closing reached was RM1.23 on Mar 15. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM0.96. Price has gone up 3% since initial publication.

(2)
Dominant "underrated". Published on Mar 12 where closing price was RM1.17. The subsequent days closing prices were never higher than RM1.17. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM0.945. Price has declined 19% since initial publication.

(3)
MNRB "underrated". Published on Mar 19 where closing price was RM1.42. The subsequent days closing prices were never higher than RM1.42. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM1.30. Price has declined 8% since initial publication.

(4)
OSK "underrated". Published on Mar 22 where closing price was RM0.98. In the subsequent days closing price trended upward. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM1.02. Price has gone up 4% since initial publication.

(5)
EUPE "underrated" is the latest publication on Mar 26. I shall follow how it develops.

To be fair to KYY, a few weeks is too short to judge the quality of his calls. We now have a sample of 5 stocks (forget about the Supermax incident) to judge KYY's performance 6 months later.

KYY has published five "underrated" stocks in less than 3 weeks which you can find in his blog.
http://koonyewyin.com/2021/03/

One thing good about KYY is he doesn't delete his posts. I've compiled the stock price performance since his publication. The measurement is based on closing price which is the commonly accepted way of measuring performance. After all, if a stock is truly underrated, we should expect closing price to trend higher in the future after its value is "discovered".

The results so far:

(1)
KPS "most underrated". Published on Mar 9 where closing price was RM0.93. In the subsequent days the highest closing reached was RM1.23 on Mar 15. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM0.96. Price has gone up 3% since initial publication.

(2)
Dominant "underrated". Published on Mar 12 where closing price was RM1.17. The subsequent days closing prices were never higher than RM1.17. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM0.945. Price has declined 19% since initial publication.

(3)
MNRB "underrated". Published on Mar 19 where closing price was RM1.42. The subsequent days closing prices were never higher than RM1.42. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM1.30. Price has declined 8% since initial publication.

(4)
OSK "underrated". Published on Mar 22 where closing price was RM0.98. In the subsequent days closing price trended upward. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM1.02. Price has gone up 4% since initial publication.

(5)
EUPE "underrated" is the latest publication on Mar 26. I shall follow how it develops.

To be fair to KYY, a few weeks is too short to judge the quality of his calls. We now have a sample of 5 stocks (forget about the Supermax incident) to judge KYY's performance 6 months later.

KYY has published five "underrated" stocks in less than 3 weeks which you can find in his blog.
http://koonyewyin.com/2021/03/

One thing good about KYY is he doesn't delete his posts. I've compiled the stock price performance since his publication. The measurement is based on closing price which is the commonly accepted way of measuring performance. After all, if a stock is truly underrated, we should expect closing price to trend higher in the future after its value is "discovered".

The results so far:

(1)
KPS "most underrated". Published on Mar 9 where closing price was RM0.93. In the subsequent days the highest closing reached was RM1.23 on Mar 15. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM0.96. Price has gone up 3% since initial publication.

(2)
Dominant "underrated". Published on Mar 12 where closing price was RM1.17. The subsequent days closing prices were never higher than RM1.17. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM0.945. Price has declined 19% since initial publication.

(3)
MNRB "underrated". Published on Mar 19 where closing price was RM1.42. The subsequent days closing prices were never higher than RM1.42. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM1.30. Price has declined 8% since initial publication.

(4)
OSK "underrated". Published on Mar 22 where closing price was RM0.98. In the subsequent days closing price trended upward. The latest closing price (as of Mar 26) was RM1.02. Price has gone up 4% since initial publication.

(5)
EUPE "underrated" is the latest publication on Mar 26. I shall follow how it develops.

To be fair to KYY, a few weeks is too short to judge the quality of his calls. We now have a sample of 5 stocks (forget about the Supermax incident) to judge KYY's performance 6 months later.

@Wijarati, highway maintenance alone in the post concession period cannot generate sufficient revenue. Maintenance expenses is in the order of RM20m a year (it was RM30m, RM25m, RM26m and RM15m from FY2017 to FY2020). Staff cost adds another RM27m per annum. Even with a 100% markup, the net profit generated will only be a fraction of current net profit at >RM200m annually. Litrak will need new projects/ businesses.

@Zackmeiser, my earlier comment is based on a very rough calculation too. A more refined calculation needs to look into the free cash flow generation. The annual cash flow from operation (CFO) declined slightly from RM383m in FY2017 to RM360m in FY2020 (lets ignore the pandemic period, where 9MFY2019 CFO was only RM105m).

Given that maintenance capex is minimal, I believe post pandemic the free cash flow (FCF) can revert to about RM350m per year. There is no more scheduled toll hike for LDP. Alternative routes and alternative transports may see its traffic volume (hence revenue) declines in coming years. But this could be offset by SPRINT, which until recent years have been loss making but now starting to make a small profit contribution.

Assume
(1) Cost of equity at 10%
(2) RM350m FCF per annum continues until FY2031, and with a bit more contribution from SPRINT before its concession ends too in 2031 and 2034

Subtracting the net debt of about RM120m, and divide by 533 million shares, the value per share is about RM4+, which is slightly higher than current price. Of course current price will be attractive if we know there is a good future beyond 2034, which right now is an unknown.

Of course, I may also err on the side of caution by assuming FCF is stagnant in the coming years. Who knows there might be marked increases in traffic and revenue from SPRINT, where Damansara LINK and Kerinchi Link still have one scheduled toll increase in 2022. But I have no clue about that.

@Zackmeiser,
I checked back historical records. It pays dividend semi-annually. It paid 25 cents every year from FY2016 to FY2020, but cut the distribution to 20 cents in FY2021 due to pandemic impact. Therefore I think your assumption of 4*10 cents = 40c per annum is overly optimistic. It is unlikely to happen before it pays down its Sukuk.

The outstanding Sukuk as of the end of FY21Q3, FY20 and FY19 are RM584m, RM781m and RM995m respectively. At a rate of about RM200m repayment every year, it will probably take another 3 years to fully repay the Sukuk. After that it could increase dividend payment by a large amount.

However, the future dividend has to be converted into present value. Depending on the cost of equity, the future contribution may not worth a lot in today’s money. For example, if the cost of equity is 10%, a dividend of 60 cents four years later is only worth 60/ 1.1^4 = 41 cent.

On that basis, the sum of dividends in the next 10 years, converted to current money, will not be sufficient to cover the share price today. There have to be some other contributions to make the stock at about RM4 today a worthwhile investment.

@kywoo, you can find the 2020 AGM Q&A in the following page.
https://www.hli.com.my/gm_current.php#

But Q&A for past AGM cannot be located. I agree the IR is poor. There are smaller companies which have done a far better job.

"Regarding market rumours of IOIPG getting involved in the vaccine distribution a few months ago, Dato’ Voon clarified that the company has no immediate plans to venture into other non-property related business." ~~ from analyst report

So much the rumours created to send share price from under RM1 to RM1.77 in 2 weeks.

Should get back to fundamentals. How will increased footfall contribute to the recovery? Potential catalyst from REIT listing a few years later?

I like companies with good fundamentals and management, conservatively managed and yet is on a growth path. Better still it is little noticed and illiquid so that the price suffers from a liquidity discount. While I don't understand this company as well as some of you here, Allianz seems to fit the bill.

I'm not bothered by a stock price that hardly moves as long as dividend is steady and growing. A stagnant share price offers me time to observe the business performance, and opportunity to top up/ exit during that period without suffering capital loss/ opportunity cost.

Eventually share price will follow a company performance, for better or worse.

Some retail investors may not be happy for being “misled” by those sell side analysts.

In this hour-long interview with Pankaj Kumar by Chuang Khoo Hsu, Pankaj explained the process and the dilemma faced by analysts, including by himself at one time (he has already retired from his professional investment career). He recounted the story where he was still remembered by the then CFO of Tanjung for being the only analyst making a sell call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK5Y1khMdD8

He has posted a similar title in the TG  forum. I've commented there that it smells like recruiting members for his latest promotion.

The two tiny cap stocks will be easier to influence than Supermax where many big players are alongside, not to mention indirect impact from other glove stocks.

I read some endorsement comments here. Good luck to all those who knowingly engage in a game of the greater fool, trying to pass your ever more expensive tokens to the next fool.

Same title posted in Supermax forum. It smells like recruiting members for his latest promotion.

I think this is very smart move despite the ridicules by the various comments here. Given that Top Gloves has 120,000 shareholders, even a 0.1% recruitment rate is enough to send his two tiny cap  counters soaring.

Should not shed tears for his new recruits later. All are knowingly engaging in the game of the greater fool, trying to pass their ever more expensive tokens to the next fools.

@Starship2, as I've commented earlier, the main objective of free reports from sell side analysts are to encourage brokerage customers to trade. This is also the reason why the number of buy calls always out number sell calls given there are more potential buyers than potential sellers for stocks (as retail investors don't short sell based on sell recommendation)

Users who trade based only on analysts' TPs are engaging in gambling.

Hi pjseow, thanks for clarifying that the retained earning is just a balancing item for the difference between asset increase (from undistributed profits) and liabilities. Yes, I also agree that heavily indebted companies with weak balance sheet will suffer a valuation discount due to increased risk.

After HK listing Top Glove will probably have a war chest in the order of ~RM10 billion cash. It will be in a much stronger position to weather any potential storm. May be that warrant a slightly higher PE valuation as compared to the past? However, if the cash is not deployed in the next 1 to 2 years there will be a drag on its ROE, which may also correlate with a lower Price to Book ratio.

Nevertheless, I have no doubt the “safety factor” of Top Glove would have increased substantially after a successful HK listing. If a vicious price war breaks out the company is likely to be the last one standing, although shareholders will still suffer at least during the interim period. The best case scenario is for all players including the Chinese rivals to have an implicit understanding for measured expansion and not trying to undercut one another.

Thanks yuwei for the news. I share the link here. Ironically nowadays Najib has become the best opposition MP in my view.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2021/03/14/why-are-premiums-high-when-accidents-thefts-are-down-asks-najib/

@Zackmeiser, my gut feeling is one should value based on a dividend discount model which runs until concession ends + liquidation value + a premium for the listed status which offers the possibility of new businesses/ projects.

Of course, the last part is a guesswork.