I think as Can One & gang picks up the shares cheap, they are also throwing the shares if the price goes beyond 2.80 due to the demand so that the net shares bought will be cheaper than 3.10.

The previous offer by Aspire was RM3.30 & that was considered low by minority shareholders.

Now a year plus later, the following cannot be denied

- RM is weaker against USD
- RM is of lower value from time value of money context
- Net asset value per share has increased given that the peanuts dividends paid lately were far less
the earnings.

One can conclude that 3.10 which is a steal !

It's due to our local education - tainted by politics basically destroys the potential livelihood of the children

bestreturn fourM, what do you mean? Don't understand what you saying. Care to explain?

what he means is that this counter is not boring given that there's results announcement one month, price going ex next month and dividend payment the following month. The cycle is repeated 4 times each year.

HoHoHo ... it's going to be a white Christmas!

Choivo Capital if you value KLK at market value, than yes, it is undervalued.
but i think KLK is way too expensive to begin with. I'll only buy it if it was 50% cheaper.
in which case, not that cheap anymore.

If you're interested in KLK, then buy Batu Kawan - better value for the earnings

market has advanced for 2 days but my horses are running backwards - haha

any idea why the suspension?

Oh dear WTF!

Caught a falling knife at 6.72!

How low can it go!

Also if the co which we own are buying, it's something like we're buying the shares ourselves.

A lot of share buybacks - that's a v good move!

heng yuan showed a loss in the latest quarterly

This Co can afford to pay a pretty good dividend given the good run of profits of late to pacify shareholders for the poor price.

That will give Petron shares an added boost in demand.

There's enough reserves and cash to pay 30 sen which would amount to RM40.5m.

BTW - managed to strike 1 at 6.97

Actually I stand corrected as aircraft fuel will be priced based on market price.

It's the lubes, gas and other products which are stagnant in prices that earn fat spreads when crude price is down.

I agree Chiovo that oil price change has little bearing on the Co's fortunes.

In fact a drop would be better because even though the inventory held is marked down, Petron's downstream namely aircraft fuel will earn fatter crack spreads in the longer run when inventory is replenished.

Car petrol spread is government regulated so the spread is somewhat stable.

I've just conferred my crystal ball and it says 4 sen

Care to guess how much dividends?

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 sen - come on let's have some fun!

tq again

bursa announcement ...

Kuala Lumpur High Court Civil Suit No : WA-22NCvC-773-11/2018 Konsortium Lord-Saberkat Sdn Bhd (Plaintiff) v Petron Malaysia Refining & Marketing Bhd (Defendant)

Petron Malaysia Refining & Marketing Bhd ("Petron") wishes to inform that Petron was served with a Writ and Statement of Claim from the solicitors of Konsortium Lord-Saberkat Sdn Bhd ("Lord Saberkat").



Previously, Lord Saberkat had filed a writ against Petron based on allegations that Petron failed to pay Lord Saberkat for the works and tasks that were allegedly ordered by Petron and were allegedly carried out by Lord Saberkat per the Standard Transportation Agreement No. 2005-01FM dated 19 December 2005, as amended ("Agreement") between Petron and Lord Saberkat ("the First Suit"). This Agreement was for the supply of transportation services by Lord Saberkat to Petron for the delivery of fuel to Petron's service stations in Peninsular Malaysia.



Petron refers to the announcements to Bursa Malaysia Securities Berhad made on 3 November 2014, 30 June 2015, 14 July 2015, 21 July 2015, 24 July 2015, 10 December 2015, 6 January 2016, 8 November 2016, 15 December 2016 and 10 January 2018, in relation to the First Suit.



For the First Suit, the High Court on 30 June 2015 dismissed most of Lord Saberkat's claims and subsequently both Lord Saberkat and Petron separately filed an appeal against the judgment of the High Court. The Court of Appeal heard the two appeals together and dismissed Lord Saberkat's appeal and allowed Petron's appeal. Lord Saberkat then filed a motion to seek leave to appeal to the Federal Court and this motion was dismissed by the Federal Court. Lord Saberkat then filed for motion to review the Federal Court decision and was also dismissed by the Federal Court. Subsequently, Lord Saberkat filed a motion to amend the Order made by the Court of Appeal dated 10 December 2015 and was also dismissed by the Court of Appeal on 24 September 2018.



Lord Saberkat has since filed an application for leave to appeal to the Federal Court in relation to the dismissal by the Court of Appeal, which has been fixed for case management on 20 December 2018.



Lord Saberkat has now filed a new claim against Petron allegedly over a breach of contract in relation to the same Agreement ("the Second Suit").



The claims filed by the Lord Saberkat pursuant to the Writ and Statement of Claim, as pleaded therein, are as follows:



a) Damages amounting to RM109,183,517 particulars of which consists of the following :

Loss of Orders amounting to RM62,732,065;
Loss of Profit amounting to RM24,126,724; and
Depreciation, Loss of value of Lord Saberkat's dedicated fleet of road tankers amounting to RM22,324,728
b) General damages;

c) Interest on damages from the date of the Writ until satisfaction of the judgment at such rate as the Court deems fit;

d) Costs; and

e) Such further and other relief as the Court may deem fit, just and equitable.



Petron has intructed external counsel to act on its behalf and Petron will defend its position and take all necessary legal action as deemed appropriate. Petron strongly denies that there are any such breach of contract and claims as alleged by Lord Saberkat.



Petron does not expect or anticipate any impact to its finances or operations as a result of this Second Suit.

Wow - Legal suit against Petron in excess of RM109m!

What are their chances of winning?

No way toto would have given the 500k. That's bad governance. - it's most likely VT's own money.

TQ Jon Choivo

"Jon Choivo Just so you guys know. Crack spread for jetfuel is at US20. Almost all time high. If one is punting."

Jon - where did you get this info?

Petron has good steady earnings, good volume traded i.e. liquidity, good dividends & PM's son's interest. Why is it such a laggard? Why are suitors avoiding this counter?

Maybe because she's not a virgin? haha

What terrible results! When results were good, dividends were pittance;

now results are poor, dividends will be non-existent.

Actually the effect is like a bonus issue because what was once taken out of circulation is re-issued back to shareholders. The resultant earnings diluted because it is divided by a wider share base.

Distribution of treasury shares = bonus shares - it just cuts the cake into smaller pieces. Hence there'll be a drop in share price. Even dividends per share will be much smaller because there'll be too many shares to pay feed dividends.

Share price trades at a relatively fixed multiple to it's earnings. EPS will be diluted and share price will also fall on that basis.

B. Kawan shares after all the painstaking accumulation over the years will be wasted if redistributed.

Welcome dnlt.

Cipta - I prefer that the Co cancels the treasury share & go for a capital reduction. Less shares, the better the ROE & EPS.

TQ dnlt & Jon Choivo - you guys are indeed a sifus - respect bros!

Looks like shareholders of B Kawan are the strong & silent type. I seem to be the only one raising issues here. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. haha

ok - just checked with the Co - dividend announcement in Dec due to changes in cos act

How come no dividend announcement?

I feel the commentary is rather opaque - just repeating what we ourselves could determine form the data provided.

What I find somewhat disturbing is the steep rise in receivables. Why? - it drains the cash flow, we incur a financial cost, there may concomitantly be higher bad debts and the remote possibility of phantom sales (hopefully not).

Fabien - I think Petron's fortunes will be affected insofar as to a lower market value of their inventory levels which if marked-to-market will show a loss in the income statement.

However it's a downstream entity. Some products are fixed in their prices and some, there could be a time lag before Petron is compelled to reduce the price - which by then the old high-priced inventory may have run down hence not severely denting profit margins. As for the fixed price ones (like engine oil), it translates into fatter profit margins.

Please someone - correct me if I'm wrong.

It's a question of price vs valuation. The price may be low but I valued it higher. The truth will be revealed (and I will hopefully be proven right) when the quarterly results are announced.

This is what i extracted from an overview about Petronas Dagangan - can anyone spot the difference with Petron?

"Committed to an aggressive growth journey, PDB continuously delivers innovative products and differentiated services in its four core businesses of Retail, Commercial, Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) and Lubricants. The Company invests extensively in research and development (R&D) to ensure that PDB continues to offer a wide range of internationally-recognised high quality petroleum products including motor gasoline, aviation fuel, diesel, fuel oil, LPG, kerosene and asphalt"

Basically the key difference i believe is that Petron has a refinery

petdag PE is about 17+; petron PE is about 4+.Something's seriously wrong. Maybe we're missing out something.

Kawkaw - logically a profitable company that pays out dividends at a rate lower than EPS, the chances of falling below 6 (barring unforseen circumstances) becomes lower & lower as time goes by

TQ TQ TQ silom - At least now we shareholders know the full tax impact. Noted that the total taxes (Gaming, Pool-betting & Service) for profitable NFO draws amount to approximately 17.9% to 18.3% of gross sales.

I love it when the govt is transparent. There's greater accountability and less room for corruption.

below 7 - just tutup mata & buy

The market seem to shun this co.

The only thing that can save this counter is a solid Sep 2018 earnings

any speculation on the next quarterly EPS?

good arbitrage 4m!

with poor dividends, who wants to buy this co's shares?

Good to see a lot of share buybacks

We should expect dividends of 30 sen. Is that too much to ask? Am I asking too much?
Coz if i am then we're nothing but sheep being herded to the final slaughterhouse!

how low can you go?