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stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-14 12:32 |

Post removed.Why?

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 12:34 | Report Abuse

good..my whole advocation is about govn needing to procure pfizer now for the whole nation, knowing that full economic & social recovery is not possible with astrazeneca & chinese vaccines..

nothing more - if you are not against above then no need to promote anything here lor....

there is no argument then

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-14 12:38 | Report Abuse

Good Let me summarise the whole thing understanding here loh...!!

Quickly procure all vaccine required but giving preference to pfizer as the 1st choice loh! .


Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:33 PM | Report Abuse

good..my whole advocation is about govn needing to procure pfizer now fir the whole nation, knowing that full economic & social recovery is not possible with astrazeneca & chinese vaccines..

nothing more - if you are not against above then no need to promote anything here lor..

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 12:40 | Report Abuse

agreed but need to buy ''pfizer for the whole nation'despite already procuring other vaccines

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 12:56 | Report Abuse

Posted by pjseow > May 14, 2021 12:47 PM | Report Abuse

Although the Sinovac vaccines is reported to have 50 % efficacy, it prevent death and serious complications if the 50 % do get infected. This is based on Results from Brazil and Chile. The other vaccinated 50% when infected will get no symtoms ,mild symptoms or moderate symptoms . Those with.mild symptoms like just a fever will recover within a few days . Moderate symtoms like cough and body ache might take longer. However these infected can spread to others. Sinovac vaccines do help in preventing 50 % of those vaccinated from getting infected and the other 50 % if do get infected, you do not need to go to hosiptal . You will recover.

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:54 PM | Report Abuse X

agree and aware of the above pjseow..

concern is will economy and social activity fully recover and be like pre-pandemic level when these 50% are still getting infected (though not severe at all)?

even at 10% level....there is a huge risk of delay in social recovery

to avoid these, i see govn must procure pfizer for the whole nation while they continue with other vaccine vaccination based on availability..

my objective is to have full pre-pandemic recovery as early as possible

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 13:48 | Report Abuse

Covid: Biden hails 'great day' as he sheds mask in Oval Office

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57109039

not sure when malaysia will come to that level

chinaman

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Posted by chinaman > 2021-05-14 13:56 | Report Abuse

Invisible west barbarian...no need to wear mask la....congratulations......covid come to end finally...ya ya. no need mask....wakaka

Posted by BeastOfTheEast > 2021-05-14 14:01 | Report Abuse

Americans more focused on politicking rather than actually combatting & defeating covid-19 comprehensively

chinaman

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Posted by chinaman > 2021-05-14 14:03 | Report Abuse

USA got Superman, Incredible Hulk, Spiderman, Mr America... so many heros what...Japan got Ultraman...aiya no need mask one ma...wakaka

Posted by BeastOfTheEast > 2021-05-14 14:08 | Report Abuse

Or else they would not hv had 32.9 million covid-19 cases & 584,000 covid-19 deaths

ramunia

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Posted by ramunia > 2021-05-14 14:12 | Report Abuse

Among the vaccinated population that has had two doses, 57 per cent were given Sinopharm, while 43 per cent were given AstraZeneca. Some 37 per cent of new active cases are people who are fully vaccinated, according to the health ministry, which did not say how many people among them had the Sinopharm shot....

pjseow

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Posted by pjseow > 2021-05-14 14:12 | Report Abuse

Probability, I think it is not that Malaysia do not want to buy from Pfizer. The Pfizer vaccines are under allocation . US prioritize its own country first followed by by its allies EU and then others. The leadtimes could be 6 months to a year or even longer . China can produce larger qty. If Malaysia can get China vaccines and get 60 % of our population vaccinated, it will help a lot .Hospitals will be eased . Those infected with minor symptons can be healed at home . Death will be minimised. I dont mind gettimg sinovac . Having covid antibodies in our body is better than none. More shops can be opened sooner.US allies India , Korea, Taiwan had been shouting but US still cannot provide firm commitments on delivery of Pfizer vaccines to them.

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 14:21 | Report Abuse

i am not against any other vaccine vaccination on availability, but govn must intent now to procure pfizer for the whole nation

i realized they had only procured for about 16m presently

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 2021-05-14 14:48 | Report Abuse

Malaysia is spooked by huge Covid spike and highest death rate ( AstraZeneca USA made vaccine widely used in Malaysia)

Posted by MuttsInvestor > 2021-05-14 15:06 | Report Abuse

Why PFIZER ? No Supply Released by the US to the World Whilst US HOARD millions of Doses ( Just I Case US needs it ) . So we WAIT till more Deaths and Infection hits Malaysia???? Use what ever is available. Those who Insist can Wait till Pfizer becomes AVAILABLE. Mean while " SINOVAC is my Protection"

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 15:18 | Report Abuse

the debate is to use highly effective vaccine la...you want to debate about china and west for what?

Posted by AlsvinChangan > May 14, 2021 2:48 PM | Report Abuse

Malaysia is spooked by huge Covid spike and highest death rate ( AstraZeneca USA made vaccine widely used in Malaysia)

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 15:19 | Report Abuse

u need to % of vaccination lor...seychelles and israel is the best comparison lor

Posted by MuttsInvestor > May 14, 2021 3:08 PM | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/2021-05-14-story-h15...
SINGAPORE use ONLY Pfizer !!! Now ALSO STRICT LOCKDOWN !!

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 15:20 | Report Abuse

read all the arguments first...dont msg without head or tail info lor..

your ego size already block your brain cells leh..

Posted by MuttsInvestor > May 14, 2021 3:06 PM | Report Abuse

Why PFIZER ? No Supply Released by the US to the World Whilst US HOARD millions of Doses ( Just I Case US needs it ) . So we WAIT till more Deaths and Infection hits Malaysia???? Use what ever is available. Those who Insist can Wait till Pfizer becomes AVAILABLE. Mean while " SINOVAC is my Protection"

914601117

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Posted by 914601117 > 2021-05-14 16:49 | Report Abuse

Pfizer daily death in USA is 700-900. DAILY DEATH!!!

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 16:58 | Report Abuse

u seem to hate western made vaccine...almost like how some muslims cannot accept other religious views

Posted by 914601117 > May 14, 2021 4:49 PM | Report Abuse

Pfizer daily death in USA is 700-900. DAILY DEATH!!!

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 16:59 | Report Abuse

u seem to have lost your rationality

ahbah

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Posted by ahbah > 2021-05-14 16:59 | Report Abuse

Which vaccine got no blood clot, hearth, death effect ? Thanks.

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 17:02 | Report Abuse

almost all vaccine side effects are there but at extremely low frequency.... the risk of driving on the road is higher

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-14 17:03 | Report Abuse

IF USA WANT FRIENDS, THEY MUST HELP THE 3RD WORLD MAH...!!

TALK KOOK WITHOUT HELPING IS USELESS MAH!

LUCKILY THE WORLD HAVE ALTERNATIVE CHINA THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP OUT LOH!

BUT USA CONDEMNS CHINA GOOD GESTURES LOH!


U.S. says condemns political use of vaccines after China-Taiwan tussle

By Michael Martina

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States stands with Honduras and condemns the "cynical use" of COVID-19 vaccines for political purposes, the State Department said, after Taiwan blasted China for seeking to use vaccines to make diplomatic inroads with one of Taipei's allies.

Honduras, among a small number of Latin American countries to maintain diplomatic ties with Taiwan, has said it was considering opening an office in China in a bid to acquire much needed COVID-19 shots, prompting Taipei to criticize Beijing for pushing a vaccine-for-recognition deal.

Several Latin American nations are receiving Chinese vaccines, but countries such as Honduras and Guatemala that have built ties with democratic Taiwan - which Beijing considers a breakaway province - are not.

"We condemn the cynical use of potentially life-saving medical assistance to advance the narrow political agendas of certain donors," a State Department spokesman told Reuters without mentioning China when asked about the situation involving Honduras.

"Taiwan's relationships with countries in the region, including Honduras, reinforce the hemisphere's democratic values and support sustainable development," the spokesman said, adding that the United States "stands with Honduras as it confronts these challenging times."

China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying responded at a daily news conference in Beijing on Friday, accusing the United States of double standards and of hoarding vaccines while not assisting other countries.

Taiwan has complained that China is applying similar pressure to Paraguay, one of just 15 countries that formally recognize the self-governed island over Beijing.

China, Russia, and the United States have sought to deepen ties around the world and further their countries' geopolitical clout through so-called "vaccine diplomacy".

The Chinese government, which has been exporting millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccines mainly to developing countries, has repeatedly denied that it uses them to gain diplomatic advantage.

Beijing has been gradually whittling away at Taiwan's diplomatic allies, which has alarmed Washington, nervous about an increased Chinese presence in Latin America and the Pacific where those allies are concentrated.

The United States earlier this month backed calls from emerging countries led by India and South Africa to temporarily lift patent protection for COVID-19 vaccines in the race to distribute more doses globally.

(Reporting by Michael Martina; Additional reporting by David Kirton in Beijing;

Nikmon

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Posted by Nikmon > 2021-05-14 19:12 | Report Abuse

Why so many stupich china fan here...since when china help Malaysia...china vaccine will not ease the pandemic, as usual it is cheap and less effective, it won't stop transmission since only 50% effectiveness. If we only depend on china vaccine even with 100% vaccinated, 50% will still get infected. China vaccine is used while waiting for western vaccine. For those who got china vaccine, it will strongly recommend to take phizer or other when it is available.

Posted by AlsvinChangan > 2021-05-14 19:19 | Report Abuse

Near bankrupt Malaysia should use locally make china inspired vacine use in over 100 countries

Give chance to local bumi companies to master vaccine production from China and Russia

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 14:13 | Report Abuse

Vietnam seeks 31milliom doses of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in 2021

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2021/05/15/vietnam-seeks-31milliom-doses-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-in-2021

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 14:15 | Report Abuse

Neighbour Philippines said on Friday it was aiming to secure 40 million doses of the Pfizer/Biotech vaccine, in what could be its first supply agreement

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all countries waking up.....by the time Malaysia open eyes, all sold out le...

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 15:01 | Report Abuse

What's the science behind CDC's decision to say fully vaccinated people don't need masks?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/14/health/cdc-guidelines-vaccinated-science/index.html

The study found that real-life use of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines provided 94% protection for the front-line workers immunized at the beginning of the vaccine rollout. A single dose provided 82% protection, the CDC-led team reported in the agency's weekly report, the MMWR.

It was the findings from the new study, on top of earlier studies, that pushed CDC to decide to loosen its advice on who needs to wear a mask and when, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said.

"This report provided the most compelling information to date that COVID-19 vaccines were performing as expected in the real world," Walensky said in a statement Friday.

"COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19 disease, especially severe illness and death," CDC says on its new web page describing guidance for the fully vaccinated.

"COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading COVID-19."

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 15:06 | Report Abuse

Reduced viral load
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About 63% of them were vaccinated. Only about 11% had asymptomatic infections, the research team found at the time. Those who got both doses of either Pfizer/BioNtech's or Moderna's vaccine were 90% less likely to get a positive test and those who got only a single dose had 80% protection.

80% protection from just a single dose
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apolloang

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Posted by apolloang > 2021-05-15 15:13 | Report Abuse

so thinking already vaccinated can go to genting or cruise.....better not until got cure.if addicted ask govt to give genting license to operate online casino....hehe

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 15:30 | Report Abuse

its very clear, as proven by Israel and being proven by U.S, malaysia should go all out vaccination like how Israel did in just 2 months (10million).... get the best vaccine and give maximum priority to speed and efficacy....

every day delay..the country loosing its edge against other south east asian country

supersaiyan3

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Posted by supersaiyan3 > 2021-05-15 15:32 | Report Abuse

Beware of the Trojan horse.

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 15:34 | Report Abuse

science le...trojan horse is your papa & mama conditioning of yourself to be biased on gwailou...

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-15 15:36 | Report Abuse

just like muslims were thought from young to see others as kafirs....its very difficult for your brains to see things rationally

supersaiyan3

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Posted by supersaiyan3 > 2021-05-15 15:59 | Report Abuse

ahbah: "Which vaccine got no blood clot, hearth, death effect ? Thanks."

You asked the wrong question.

In anything, we should aim for the highest percentage of success anyway we could. For example, you play basketball. If you shoot from end to end, there is still a chance you will score. But you still try to get to as close to the basket as possible then shoot, holding everything else constant.

The challenge about china vaccines is not just protection. On the surface, 1. about 3% efficacy after first jab. 2. after 2nd jab, about 20%. 3. after 2 months of 2nd jab, maybe 50%.

This doesn't match with the fact that, for example Turkey, after vaccination begins, cases risen 10 times from 6,000 to 60k then back to 10k. Still more cases compare to before the vaccination begins.

The only exception (took China vaccines) seems to be UAE, where cases gradually coming down since vaccination.

A lot of people, including presidents from various countries, claimed they got covid-19 after 1st jab.

Luckily for malaysia, all reporters took china vaccines (and they know how it felt). That's going to decide our future.

supersaiyan3

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Posted by supersaiyan3 > 2021-05-15 16:02 | Report Abuse

probability: " science le...trojan horse is your papa & mama conditioning of yourself to be biased on gwailou... "

Trojan Horse means the things that you thought is good but it will kill you instead. I don't know what you papa and mama thought you by the way.

For that i mean China Vaccines.

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-07-16 11:38 | Report Abuse

Now the govn is coming to their senses and stopping Sinovac and going for high efficacy Pfizer (kinda late realization actually, but better than not waiting for full vaccination and seeing hopeless results)

Posted by ThePowerOfGlove > 2021-07-16 11:54 | Report Abuse

Is sinovac really that bad? Or maybe just western bias & prejudice & propaganda

Posted by ThePowerOfGlove > 2021-07-16 11:56 | Report Abuse

Turkey has controlled their covid with mainly sinovac, as I have read

Hungary with sinovac + sputnik

probability

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Posted by probability > 2021-07-16 12:48 | Report Abuse

SINOVAC is only 51% effective, even with high vaccination rate, vaccinated will keep transmitting to the vulnerables and we dont want that...it will cause economy opening delayed too long

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57817591

The WHO said studies showed the Sinovac vaccine "prevented symptomatic disease in 51% of those vaccinated and prevented severe Covid-19 and hospitalization in 100% of the studied population" for adults aged 18 and older, when it approved the jab in June.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-07-16 12:55 | Report Abuse

The key point very important for sinovac here are;

1. It is readily available

2. those vaccinated and prevented severe Covid-19 and hospitalization in 100% of the studied population" for adults aged 18 and older, when it approved the jab in June.


Posted by probability > Jul 16, 2021 12:48 PM | Report Abuse

SINOVAC is only 51% effective, even with high vaccination rate, vaccinated will keep transmitting to the vulnerables and we dont want that...it will cause economy opening delayed too long

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57817591

The WHO said studies showed the Sinovac vaccine "prevented symptomatic disease in 51% of those vaccinated and prevented severe Covid-19 and hospitalization in 100% of the studied population" for adults aged 18 and older, when it approved the jab in June.

ykloh

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Posted by ykloh > 2021-07-16 15:13 | Report Abuse

WHO should get more up to date figures regarding efficacies of the Sinovac vaccine based on the much larger population vaccinated.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-07-16 15:16 | Report Abuse

Btw sinopharm & sinovac are different vaccine mah!

Posted by ykloh > Jul 16, 2021 3:13 PM | Report Abuse

WHO should get more up to date figures regarding efficacies of the Sinovac vaccine based on the much larger population vaccinated.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-07-16 15:38 |

Post removed.Why?

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2021-07-16 16:03 | Report Abuse

Yeah, PN quietly dropping out Sinovac! I think the existing supplies should be given to migrant workers which is the right way to go! As for rakyat, Khairy made the right move to order more than enough Pfizer doses for every single malaysians! My suggestion, made it compulsory for all malaysians to get jab! No worries, i think Malaysia will be out of this pandemic very soon!

Tobby

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Posted by Tobby > 2021-07-16 16:06 | Report Abuse

The proof is very clear! Thailand and Indonesia opted for Sinovac for their medical staff! End up losing thousands of them due to Covid! As for Malaysia, very few require hospitalized! Mind you, medical staff are expose to Covid on daily basis!

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-07-16 16:11 | Report Abuse

Raider ask u this lah!

Thailand majority use sinovac compare to msia use Pfizer loh, how come msia has much more more cases than thailand....when it has less than 50% population of thailand leh ??

That means Sinovac more effective than Pfizer loh!


Posted by Tobby > Jul 16, 2021 4:03 PM | Report Abuse

Yeah, PN quietly dropping out Sinovac! I think the existing supplies should be given to migrant workers which is the right way to go! As for rakyat, Khairy made the right move to order more than enough Pfizer doses for every single malaysians! My suggestion, made it compulsory for all malaysians to get jab! No worries, i think Malaysia will be out of this pandemic very soon!



Posted by Tobby > Jul 16, 2021 4:06 PM | Report Abuse

The proof is very clear! Thailand and Indonesia opted for Sinovac for their medical staff! End up losing thousands of them due to Covid! As for Malaysia, very few require hospitalized! Mind you, medical staff are expose to Covid on daily basis!

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