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DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-02 21:25 | Report Abuse

Stop employing foreign workers and hire locals!

It is a quick remedy.

If any employers or companies insist on foreign workers, let them shutdown and setup their business in foreign workers country.

Posted by SunnySunshine > 2021-12-02 21:29 | Report Abuse

This Dick is definitely NOT boss & all his life has been under employment for sure.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 08:30 | Report Abuse

The government can simply stop issuing foreign worker permit and non renewal permit. Kau tim lor. It’s so easy.

Posted by investor2021trading > 2021-12-03 08:36 | Report Abuse

another Malaysia Bolih! well, without foreign workers, dat is tantamount to closing all d industries in Malaysia!

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 08:41 | Report Abuse

Another no solution seeker addicted with foreign workers.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 08:51 | Report Abuse

Forced foreign workers won’t easy to solve since the agents of the workers are out of our government control. It keeps haunting the industries making decent profits. What to do? Ditch all western customers?

Posted by investor2021trading > 2021-12-03 08:53 | Report Abuse

solutions r to have full cooperation n understanding among d govt, employers n unions! dey hv to support each other n reprimand d culprits n wrongdoings! regulations governing d recruitments n approving of quotas to various industries must b handled properly n professionally!

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 08:59 | Report Abuse

Put in a realistic actions. How? Build 3 stars apartments for them? Make sure the foreign workers don’t borrow huge money from the agent or signing unfavorable agreement before coming to Malaysia?

Posted by investor2021trading > 2021-12-03 09:01 | Report Abuse

irresponsible foreign workers must b terminated n sent back to their country! d unions n govt must not played to d wits n fancies of these foreign workers! dey must hv done something wrong to b reprimanded!

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 09:05 | Report Abuse

Out of million of workers , 100% sure some foreign workers would make a complain to Andy Hall. By the time they look into the allegations, share price of listed companies employing foreign (forced) labor workers sure diarrhea one.

Posted by investor2021trading > 2021-12-03 09:09 | Report Abuse

normally, d rules n regulations r spelt in d contract agreement whether it's for individual or employed thru' agents such as living conditions eg. basic housing provided, working conditions eg. overtime to meet production, etc...! if they disagreed dey don't signed! dey cannot demands what is not spelt in d agreement upon taking up d employment! d unions n govt should not interfered n sided d workers for wrongdoings!

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 09:12 | Report Abuse

Normally, foreign workers comes to work with debt bondages. How to monitor?

Definition of forced Labour from ILO

The forced labour definition encompasses:
“traditional practices of forced labour, such as vestiges of slavery or slave-like practices, and various forms of debt bondage, as well as new forms of forced labour that have emerged in recent decades, such as human trafficking.”1 also called “modern-slavery” to shed light on working and living conditions contrary to human dignity.

Posted by investor2021trading > 2021-12-03 09:27 | Report Abuse

@treasurehunt, well! get ur facts right what is relevant n what is irrelevant! bye2!

oskchoon

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Posted by oskchoon > 2021-12-03 10:20 | Report Abuse

The only way is to give migrant workers citizenship of Malaysia and treat them like Bumiputra status so that no more complaints by migrant workers to Andy Hall and ILO for forced labour allegations issues..

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 10:30 | Report Abuse

Once the foreign workers get the citizenship, they demand the treatment similar with the original local people. This is what had happened to the migration from Indonesia. Get another million foreign workers again?

oskchoon

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Posted by oskchoon > 2021-12-03 10:51 | Report Abuse

If our Malaysian government thinking that migrant workers complaining abuse and forced labour allegations are true, then we Malaysians are cruel and heartless people who likes to abuse migrant workers now and then..

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 10:53 | Report Abuse

Look at the facts you would know. Compare our salary with 20 years ago.

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 10:59 | Report Abuse

Primary role of government is to care for it's OWN CITIZENS not foreign workers. The government must ensure locals are not unemployed and receive better remuneration and all benefits taken care.

If the government acts as a foreign workers agency then definitely these emboldens crooks to masquerade as agents. There will be no control on influx of foreign workers and certainly locals unemployment will sky rocket. This will attribute to social problems like increased crime, corruption, suppressed salary hence contribute to inflation.

Employers are blood suckers. Luckily I am not the HOME MINISTER, otherwise the business of foreign workers will be burnt to ashes.
Any employers insisting on foreign workers will be told to SHUTDOWN and shift their business elsewhere.

It does not matter if the industries DIE. BETTER the EMPLOYERS DIE instead of the RAKYAT. FOREIGN WORKERS ARE FOREIGNERS and have no business in enjoying CITIZENS RIGHTS.

FOR too long these employers are enjoying vulgar profit.

GLCs are main reason of foreign workers influx.

Annetan

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Posted by Annetan > 2021-12-03 11:06 | Report Abuse

I am shocked to read articles about forced labour in M'sia in this modern world! How can they be forced?Are you certain it's not politically motivated ?The powerful are using media as well as gullible people to fullfill their agenda just like America using Joshua to lead in the demonstrations against the HK government!

oskchoon

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Posted by oskchoon > 2021-12-03 11:14 | Report Abuse

Aurelius Technologies Bhd - Global EMS Provider https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/PublicInvest/638041.jsp

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 11:15 | Report Abuse

Kick all western customers out and boycott all western products and live independent from the western world?

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 11:17 | Report Abuse

@Annetan, don't pretend to be shocked.

People like you prefer robots than employees with needs.
In simple words, slave is what employers in Malaysia, wants. They don't care about their needs. That is why salaries remain the same even after working for DECADES.

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 11:21 | Report Abuse

"Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 3, 2021 11:15 AM | Report Abuse

Kick all western customers out and boycott all western products and live independent from the western world?"

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If there is a will, there is a way!

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 11:23 | Report Abuse

You can do it in other country but here is Malaysia. Hahaha

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 11:25 | Report Abuse

"Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 3, 2021 11:23 AM | Report Abuse

You can do it in other country but here is Malaysia. Hahaha"
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How is Malaysia different?

You mean they eat through arse--hole and defecate through mouth?

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 11:31 | Report Abuse

I heard Kim said that he has concurred the whole world. we are under his controlled now. hahaha

Vicky

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Posted by Vicky > 2021-12-03 11:32 | Report Abuse

Do not catch a falling knife...otherwise cut through

Johnzhang

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Posted by Johnzhang > 2021-12-03 11:44 | Report Abuse

ESG going to ruin a lot of industries in Malaysia. It is a scam by the WEST to force you out of business and it's a strategy to improve the relative competitiveness in their home countries.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 11:50 | Report Abuse

We know ESG is their scheme. So how are we going to do? Counter attack them directly?

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 11:55 | Report Abuse

As a businessman, how are they going to react to keep their business ongoing? Normal folks can talk this and that up to their mouth la.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 12:04 | Report Abuse

At least, TG management knows the way out temporary.

Posted by PureBULL ... > Dec 3, 2021 11:44 AM | Report Abuse

ONLY andy.hall n konsultan r experts at writing thesis to US authority to ban exporters to the US.

the best n cheapest way is to employ these pure kwailors as auditors.
tg did..

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-12-03 12:18 | Report Abuse

Better switch to MHC or insas loh!

Annetan

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Posted by Annetan > 2021-12-03 13:23 | Report Abuse

dickyme,caring about employee needs and the word force labour is completely different meaning.force means doing against your will! if you think your employer is exploiting you,have guts to leave for another one who does!Complaining but still want to work is entirely different thing!

Annetan

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Posted by Annetan > 2021-12-03 13:36 | Report Abuse

Do you really believe America's statement that using HUawei's 5G technology is a way China is spying on you?Getting her allies to abstain using 5G is not a political agenda in nature?Pls read between the lines and don't trust what the media writes nowadays! The evils in them is so good that you could thank them despite stabbing you at the back!

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 14:07 | Report Abuse

@Annetan

Foreign workers have no choice once they are in a foreign land.
They cannot return due to passports confiscated by employers or agents and also financially indebted back home.

Forced labour is forcing them to work 12 hours shift and mandating them to continue working to cover for insufficient workforce. Deducting their salary for small matters is akin to robbing. Stuffing 20 to 30 people in a house and calling it a hostel is an insult to humanity.

If you want me to list the atrocities, the list would be an encylopedia.

Forced labour encompasses all the above mentioned.

Why not employ Malaysians and follow the law?

You want to give the age old bull sheet that Malaysians are lazy and refuse to work? Why the salary is stagnant?

If I am the Prime Minister I will BAN foreign workers and SHUTDOWN companies depending on them.

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 14:08 | Report Abuse

I believe America more than the Communist country.

Karlos

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Posted by Karlos > 2021-12-03 14:10 | Report Abuse

Malaysia addiction to foreign has been mentioned again and again for many years already and yet we continue to have more and more foreign laborers despite the fact that many Malaysians are jobless.
Many employees prefer to employ foreign workers as these workers can be easier to control apart from being "cheap". In addition there exist an industry to supply labour to countries like Malaysia. There are many recruiting agents in both in Malaysia and in the foreign labour countries that greatly benefit from import and export of labour. Even the medical sector that provide health screenings and testings equally benefit from this industry. And of course some politicians and even civil servants had some thing to gains in the biz of foreign labour.
A lot of people apart from employers themselves got some thing to gain from this biz of foreign labour. No wonder Malaysia continue to prefer foreign labour. Yet many of our own people are working in foreign countries like Singapore, Australia etc.

DickyMe

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Posted by DickyMe > 2021-12-03 14:13 | Report Abuse

BLAME THE GOVERNMENT AND MALAY COMPANIES and GLCS FOR THE INFLUX OF FOREIGN WORKERS. THE CHINESE MADE GOOD USE OF THIS LOOPHOLE.

oskchoon

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Posted by oskchoon > 2021-12-03 14:21 | Report Abuse

Don't use cheap labour to describe migrant workers, even they are poor but they respect human rights, not like Malaysian people, arrogant, heartless and forced labour, otherwise they will complain to their God father Andy Hall and protector ILO and we Malaysia will be in trouble again, our EMS industries will lose the big contract and our locals will becomes jobless, you see these ungrateful poor migrant workers are very powerful people, don't never underestimate their influence at international level, even our government cannot stop them from talking bad about our citizens..

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-03 14:39 | Report Abuse

Labour intensive technology companies are encouraged to move out of Malaysia and maintain their listing status in Bursa. Malaysian investors are number 1 darling of the technology companies. The share price can fetch PER top in the world.

Karlos

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Posted by Karlos > 2021-12-03 16:07 | Report Abuse

Availability of cheap labour will not encourage the industries to be more efficient and investing more in technology. Salary for labour has not kept up with the cost of living and the gap between the workers at the bottom are huge and the gap continue to increase. These issues if not recognized and addressed urgently will have social, economic and political consequences, sooner or later.

oskchoon

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Posted by oskchoon > 2021-12-03 16:47 | Report Abuse

Migrant workers God father Andy Hall and ILO already jointed hands to sabotage our Malaysian reputation so the only way is to provide all migrant workers with good housing,, good salary with no OT, good working environment plus yearly bonuses otherwise we will face the punishment from USA, UK or so called big power nations..

Karlos

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Posted by Karlos > 2021-12-04 09:00 | Report Abuse

On the other hand, these workers are not grateful that they get employment in Malaysia and no body were forcing them to come here to work here. Most of the exploitations were actually done by their own fellow country men during recruitment that involve among other thing lending money at usurious rates to these workers.
In their own countries these so called forced labour can't get jobs and the working conditions are far worst than here.
I must state that I am against any forms exploitation, and labour must be treated with respect and fairly paid. What is surprising however, many well known international clothing brands for example, are using very cheap labour working in horrible and unsafe factories in for example Bangladesh and elsewhere too, but we don't often hear from these importer countries banning these imports?

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-12-04 09:15 | Report Abuse

Do not talk rubbish loh!

Do u know how unproductive a local worker is leh ??

Study have shown 1 foreign worker is 3x more productive than the local mah!

Thus some companies rather spend more to take care of the foreign workers in order to ensure its sustainability of business loh!

Lu tau boh ?

Posted by DickyMe > Dec 3, 2021 10:59 AM | Report Abuse

Primary role of government is to care for it's OWN CITIZENS not foreign workers. The government must ensure locals are not unemployed and receive better remuneration and all benefits taken care.

If the government acts as a foreign workers agency then definitely these emboldens crooks to masquerade as agents. There will be no control on influx of foreign workers and certainly locals unemployment will sky rocket. This will attribute to social problems like increased crime, corruption, suppressed salary hence contribute to inflation.

Employers are blood suckers. Luckily I am not the HOME MINISTER, otherwise the business of foreign workers will be burnt to ashes.
Any employers insisting on foreign workers will be told to SHUTDOWN and shift their business elsewhere.

It does not matter if the industries DIE. BETTER the EMPLOYERS DIE instead of the RAKYAT. FOREIGN WORKERS ARE FOREIGNERS and have no business in enjoying CITIZENS RIGHTS.

FOR too long these employers are enjoying vulgar profit.

GLCs are main reason of foreign workers influx.

treasurehunt

1,809 posts

Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-04 09:49 | Report Abuse

What is grateful definition to the foreign workers? Foreign workers would say we use our sweat and blood to help you manufacturers doing the dongkey jobs that the local people don’t like to do so…the manufacturers making good profits should be grateful to us and help us to solve our debt bondage in the home country.

blackchicken

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Posted by blackchicken > 2021-12-04 10:17 | Report Abuse

Of course, part of the blame lies in the imposition of high fees by authorities for foreign workers to enter and remain in the country.

This has been highlighted before and it is hoped that this unfair system will be dismantled and replaced with a fairer system.

The fact remains that Malaysian businesses have relied on foreign workers to compete for far too long.

Instead, they should be either looking to automate or live with the fact that any ill- treatment of workers will eventually get them red- flagged.

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-04 10:23 | Report Abuse

No forced labor issue when a company makes good profit and at the same time their foreign employees is enjoying in 3 stars apartment, pay same with the local, comfortable working conditions , no passport withholding by the employers and no debt bondages at their home country….in overall, it’s equivalent to the local employees treatment standard la.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-12-04 10:25 | Report Abuse

Think lah!

If can fully automate why chose msia leh ??

Might as well stay put & do the full manufacturing at high cost countries like Germany, switzerland, Usa, Japan and Australia mah!
Since little labor is use mah!

They chose msia bcos cannot fully automate & cost of labor cheaper and have access to foreign labor mah!

Lu Tau boh ?

treasurehunt

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Posted by treasurehunt > 2021-12-04 10:31 | Report Abuse

One word. If a manufacturer is unable to invest in automation then move out the factories to low labor costs countries lor. It’s so simple.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2021-12-04 10:37 | Report Abuse

Think lah!

Love malaysia mah!

What & Why move out leh ?

Just free up the control on foreign labors & let the companies employed whatever foreign & local labors they want mah!

Like that govt get tax revenue, local get quality appointment & the country economy can grow mah!

Everybody very happy mah!


Posted by treasurehunt > Dec 4, 2021 10:31 AM | Report Abuse

One word. If a manufacturer is unable to invest in automation then move out the factories to low labor costs countries lor. It’s so simple.

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