Posted by Hoho22 > 2022-07-24 18:11 | Report Abuse

Senile and senseless!

Posted by Sslee > 2022-07-24 20:03 | Report Abuse

Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad today explained that he supported the decision made by former prime minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak in 2013 to cease the annual cession payment to the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu following the incursion in Lahad Datu, Sabah.

Berita Harian reported that the former two-time prime minister, however, raised questions on whether the decision was made according to the provisions of law apart from fulfilling all the obligations to terminate the old agreement to avoid future dispute

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-24 20:33 | Report Abuse

As usually Mahathir making a uturn! Yeah, it was Mahathir who told Umno to stop paying to the Sulu because breach of agreement!
No need to defend lies from Mahathir!

Posted by chinaman > 2022-07-25 11:50 | Report Abuse

1878 agreement was with British empire. why arbitration in spain or appeal court in french intervene, challenged British indirectly?

Posted by chinaman > 2022-07-25 11:52 | Report Abuse

using Sulu as a proxy war between French and British?

Posted by chinaman > 2022-07-25 12:06 | Report Abuse

Ok-Malaya as tradition must support British fight with arch-foe French empire. wakaka

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-25 12:31 | Report Abuse

Posted by chinaman > Jul 25, 2022 11:50 AM | Report Abuse

1878 agreement was with British empire. why arbitration in spain or appeal court in french intervene, challenged British indirectly?

Answer : Original agreement written in bahasa jawi! Can whites understand them! Certainly not!

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-25 12:33 | Report Abuse

Mind you, before Sulu agreement, there is actually Sultan Brunei agreement a year before which stated it's handover of Sabah to British! This agreement rarely mention by Malaysia! Why! Supposely, Malaysia should let the world knows that the valid agreement is between Sultan Brunei and British not with Sultan Sulu!

Posted by stockraider > 2022-07-25 12:59 | Report Abuse

Get the facts right mah!

The british rent sabah from the sulus mah!

As long as the rent are paid.....the sulus cannot intervene with sabah loh!

But year 2012, msia govt under najib, refuse to pay rental....thus the contract of perpetuity is claimed terminated loh!

So the sulus sue msia & won USD 15B mah!
But this is a private litigation, no sovereign issue is involve loh!

As long as msia, willing to settle USD 15B for sabah issue to the sulus or philipines there will be no issue loh!

Of course msia is not willing to pay this huge sum....thus msia govt appealing loh!

The issue is how much is the quantum of damages msia govt must pay loh!

It all rest with the appealed court outcome loh!

Lu tau boh ?

Posted by Elephant > 2022-07-25 13:51 | Report Abuse

"HISTORY THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN BY THE DESCENDANTS OF SULTAN SULU AND THE PEOPLE OF SULTAN KIRAM D SOUTHERN PHILIPPINES"

THE STATE OF SABAH was a colony under the STATE of BRUNEI DARUSSALAM as early as the reign of the first SULTAN OF BRUNEI, SULTAN MUHAMMAD SHAH (AWANG ALAK BETATAR) (Year 1363 ~ 1402 AD) until the end of the 19th century for 500 years.

During the BRUNEI Civil War (1661 ~ 1673), SULTAN MUHYIDDIN had promised the East Coast Region of SABAH to his cousin SULTAN SULU if he helped him fight SULTAN ABDUL HAKKUL MUBIN (who was fortified on CHERMIN ISLAND in KUALA SUNGAI BRUNEI in 1673).

However, the SULTAN of SULU did not carry out the task given to him well, causing the wrath of SULTAN MUHHYIDDIN who refused to hand over SABAH to the Sultanate of SULU. Since then, the SULU Sultanate has only claimed the East Coast Region of SABAH. This is evidenced from the note "THE HISTORY OF JAVA" by SIR THOMAS STAMFORD RAFFLES in 1817 who said that "On the north ~ east of BORNEO proper (BRUNEI) lies a very considerable territory (SABAH), the sovereignty of which has long been claimed by SULU GOVERNMENT. "[CLAIMED = MENUNTUT, bukan bererti" MENGUASAI "]"

Until 1865, SULTAN ABDUL MOMIN, BRUNEI had leased the Western Province of SABAH (claimed by the SULTAN of SULU) to CHARLES LEE MOSES (C.L. Moses then sold his rights to W.J. TORREY and TORREY sold his rights
to BARON VON OVERBECK, Consul of the Austro ~ Hungarian Empire in HONG KONG). BARON VON OVERBECK together with ALFRED DENT (HONG KONG) later established the DENT COMPANY.

In 1877, BARON VON OVERBECK went to BRUNEI to make a new lease agreement with SULTAN ABDUL MOMIN. Sultan Abdul Momin BRUNEI has appointed him MAHARAJA SABAH and RAJA GAYA and SANDAKAN.

Realizing that the SULTAN SULU also claimed the East Coast Region of SABAH at that time, BARON VON OVERBECK also made an Agreement with the SULTAN SULU on the East Coast Region of SABAH which the SULTAN SULU claimed as a guarantee to avoid problems in the future (and he was appointed by the SULTAN OF SULU as RAJA SANDAKAN and DATO 'BENDAHARA).

The lease amount for the Coastal Region of SABAH paid by BARON VON OVERBECK to the SULTAN OF BRUNEI is $ 12,000.00 per annum and $ 3,000.00 to TEMENGGONG BRUNEI, while the money paid to the SULTAN of SULU was $ 5,000.00 per annum under the agreement of BARON VON OVERBECK with the SULTAN of SULU in 1878. BARON VON OVERBECK then sold all his rights to ALFRED DENT, Founder of the BRITISH NORTH BORNEO COMPANY, who administered SABAH (NORTH BORNEO) 1882 ~ 1946, which later handed it over to the BRITISH Government.

If you look at the SABAH lease documents in December, 1877 there is a condition that if BARON VON OVERBECK or his successor does not pay the lease rent for three (3) years then the SULTAN OF BRUNEI/ TEMENGGONG BRUNEI has the right to take back all the East Coast Territories of SABAH leased it. But BRUNEI is NOT claiming SABAH. This is because the people of SABAH had chosen MALAYSIA in 1963, that is a respected choice though
felt sad in the hearts of some BRUNEI people at the time. And until now, the relationship between the PEOPLE of BRUNEI and SABAH (MALAYSIA BORNEO) remains close as relatives, even if they do not live in the same house (COUNTRY), they still sit next door (NEIGHBORHOOD COUNTRY), remain friendly and respect each other. Those who are entitled to "NO" demand, on the other hand those who are "NOT RIGHT" ("SULU SULTANATE") who constantly want to demand.

Attached herewith are the relevant SABAH lease agreement documents in 1877, namely:

● PROOF ~ PROOF SABAH WAS UNDER THE GOVERNMENT OF BRUNEI DARUSSALAM UNTIL 29TH DECEMBER, 1877 AND BEFORE THAT WAS NEVER SUBMITTED TO ANY COUNTRY/ GOVERNMENT (INCLUDING "SULU SULTANATE"). ●

These original documents are kept in PUBLIC RECORD
OFFICE, LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM and has COLONIAL OFFICE reference numbers: 874/2, 874/17, 874/18, 874/19 & 874/20.

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-25 14:00 | Report Abuse

Brunei has every right to claim Sabah Sarawak from Malaysia! But they didnt! So why do we entertain bunch of concubines 'heir's! We don't! Let them go bankrupt! Those europeans lawyers will ask fortunes promising a win!

Posted by chinaman > 2022-07-25 14:02 | Report Abuse

has this important events ever being mentioned in our school history text book? why history missed it out till former AG also made silly blunt?

Posted by stockraider > 2022-07-25 14:26 | Report Abuse

Remember this loh!

Whether Sabah is own by brunai or sulus....the conclusion is the same for msia mah!

The fact that the British has an agreement with the Sulus....and everything is fine with the agreement until Msia refuse to pay the rental....means the british has done it right & valid mah!

The najib govt blow it mah!

Right now....the damages of USD 15b already establish....the question how could msia govt mitigate the situation leh ??

Msia only pays nominal Rm 6k per annum.....now the Court says msia need to pays usd 15b ...for termination of contract for none payment of rental loh!

Whether berunai govt, or philipine govt or sulus own sabah....it is immaterial....bcos the court conclude if msia willing to pay USD 15b....everything will be settled mah!

Of course msia refuse to pay such a staggering sum loh!

The question....is how much should msia govt pays loh!

This is to be decided by the court during the appeal loh!

Lu tau boh ?

Posted by Income > 2022-07-25 15:59 | Report Abuse

Why Spain and French fight British decisions?
British is the one who can be the Judge here, not other countries.



chinaman>
1878 agreement was with British empire. why arbitration in spain or appeal court in french intervene, challenged British indirectly?
25/07/2022 11:50 AM

Posted by Income > 2022-07-25 16:01 | Report Abuse

Msia must fight a war with Sulu descendants who breached the leased agreement by attacking Sabah. Full stop.

Posted by Income > 2022-07-25 16:04 | Report Abuse

If Malaysia is as strong as British, do you think Spanish and French will let Sulu claim Sabah???

Posted by Income > 2022-07-25 16:05 | Report Abuse

We must ask British to support our state of Sabah in Malaysia.

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-25 16:34 | Report Abuse

And you believe french court! Really!

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-25 16:35 | Report Abuse

Posted by Income > Jul 25, 2022 4:05 PM | Report Abuse

We must ask British to support our state of Sabah in Malaysia.

Answer : British came for natural resources! They don't even give a damn about their own citizens! Why should they care about their previous colonies!

Posted by Tobby > 2022-07-25 16:36 | Report Abuse

Just look at Australia! Dumping ground for British exconvicts or those who are trash in British!