Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 12:07 | Report Abuse

sense maker, you are right !! haha ,

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 12:08 | Report Abuse

their mgt must be thinking integrity is a food name can be eaten into tummy... nothing important.

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 12:09 | Report Abuse

Dk is my good friend , he does not agree with what you did. He will slap you .

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 12:12 | Report Abuse

kianjoo, support dk come out say something... !!

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 12:17 | Report Abuse

What a shame to use my good friend inaccurate DCF to mislead the readers here .

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 12:18 | Report Abuse

You are not telling truth since the source of your information can not be verified. Please stop doing more damage to my good friend DK

Posted by Sslee > 2023-07-24 12:32 | Report Abuse

Quote,"I received a request to do a comprehensive cash flow projection based on the confidential table of capacity charges I received recently. He requested for NPV valuation based on the net cash flow using 10-12% discountrequested for NPV valuation based on the net cash flow using 10-12% discount factor. He understood that it is very difficult to be precise on a long term projection and he quoted me saying "You don't need to know the weight of a man to tell if he is fat" unquote

So is Aseng saying?
1. It was DK that provide the confidential table of capacity charge to Gotyou.
2. Gotyou use Aseng good friend DK' inaccurate DCF to mislead the readers here.

My question since DK is an accountant then I would not thik DK will ever make a request to Gotyou for NPV valuation based on the net cash flow using 10-12% discount?

Most likely all the above have nothing to do with DK.

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 12:35 | Report Abuse

I had already complain you are exploiting his fact and data to spread fear and mislead the readers

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 12:36 | Report Abuse

Sslee, you are not God
Your ignorance is not spared from karma

Posted by Sslee > 2023-07-24 12:44 | Report Abuse

Posted by Asengkianjoo > Jul 24, 2023 12:09 PM | Report Abuse
Dk is my good friend , he does not agree with what you did. He will slap you .

Most likely above is false. If it is true then Asengkianjoo can just call up DK and make clarification with DK and not simply talking without sense in this forum.

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 12:58 | Report Abuse

What ignorance ? Ignorance of damage done with good intention and Ignorance of damage to be done with whatever intention .

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 13:02 | Report Abuse

Are you sure what you said will be reflected in the market. Open your eye big big , how is the market react after so many gotyou negative posts

Posted by WongGK92 > 2023-07-24 13:05 | Report Abuse

Can management disclose that kind of information to investors?

Posted by Sslee > 2023-07-24 13:09 | Report Abuse

Why claim ignorance when KYY and later OTB had leave JAKS for good and red flagged poor/bad management and trustworthiness/integrity of BOD especially ALP?

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 13:13 | Report Abuse

They do not believe in God, then what do they believe? MONEY!!!!!@

Posted by Sslee > 2023-07-24 13:13 | Report Abuse

As a trade no one will stop you to bottom fishing but as an investment the above article is very useful in telling you, you need to wait till 2031/32 to see a positive cashflow.

Posted by Sslee > 2023-07-24 13:22 | Report Abuse

I believe i3 forum is a good place for everyone to post their diverse opinions/views on investment so that all can benefit from the diverse information and make their informed-investment decision.

As should everyone/anyone believe in God?
That is an answer between everyone/anyone and everyone/anyone creator.

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 13:56 | Report Abuse

GOTYOU :I received a request to do a comprehensive cash flow projection based on the confidential table of capacity charges I received recently. He requested for NPV valuation based on the net cash flow using 10-12% discount factor. He understood that it is very difficult to be precise on a long term projection and he quoted me saying "You don't need to know the weight of a man to tell if he is fat". ..................................................... 1. who is the one requested you to do so ........ YOU DOT KNOW ? 2. how reliable is his shared information is valid and true ? ...... YOU DO NOT KNOW 3. What is the damage that will be done to the public if the information is not accurate ? .............. YOU DO NOT KNOW

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 13:57 | Report Abuse

WHY ????? IS YOUR OWN EGO THAT IMPORTANT THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO SELL YOUR CONSCIENCE ?????

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 14:13 | Report Abuse

Dear Sslee , please forgive me, I have misunderstood you

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 14:16 | Report Abuse

i had deleted all the post . very very sorry . I am sinful. I will punish my self to donate RM 200 to UNICEF for the wrong I had made . please forgive me my good friend

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 14:23 | Report Abuse

what is the moral of the story?

WHAT YOU THINK IT MUST BE RIGHT CAN BE WRONG !!!!!

market is full of surprise and unexpectation !

why are just playing a probability game with FA and TA !

nothing is 100% but >50% is likely but still not guaranteed

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 14:59 | Report Abuse

PENALTY RM200 PAID TO UNICEF .Donation Reference:

WT2307240014

Posted by curiousq > 2023-07-24 15:00 | Report Abuse

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 4 days ago | Report Abuse
If I were gotyou , I will keep quiet .let the mistake be mistake rather than to make another mistake after 2 mistake

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 4 days ago | Report Abuse
Gotyou, do you know it is me who share with you the information . I never expect you can he that easily cheated


The above is true？

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:05 | Report Abuse

Now I can watch movies with ease of mind now. what i learnt ? count 10 before I talk . if not, be prepared to pay RM 200 penalty

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:07 | Report Abuse

curious ,
you are right to point . it can be Aseng or Curious oe Sslee or anyone because you DO NOT KNOW WHO and it is classfied as CONFIDENTIAL !!!!

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:08 | Report Abuse

Confidential then made public ? TUA_PEK GONG also can not agree what more a rational mind

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:10 | Report Abuse

moreover Jaks cash is nothing new . it is already a well know right from the first day we bought

Posted by curiousq > 2023-07-24 15:14 | Report Abuse

OMG!! it is not me !!

TUA_PEK GONG shall punish me if Im a shameless liar

Posted by Johnchew5 > 2023-07-24 15:15 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:21 | Report Abuse

PP and RI are also nothing NEW !!! Jaks is small company doing a mega project . I have an earthwork construction company, my company also facing cashflow after MCO no works and we wish to replensish our mechinery to enhaance the company profitability . after all the PP , now we we among the top subcontractor in the field . what is the big deal of the cash squeeze , if the company still has a strong income from the power plant to restructure the repayment if needed . why amke thing so complicated . cash flow is just temporary , it can be resolve when the core business is still promising . you are an outsider , not even has a business of your , what nut do you know well other than playing with the figures

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:24 | Report Abuse

curious ,

not me too ......

must be his own tua-pek-gong .

this idxxiot made me kenal panelty RM200 for nothing . still dare to say no damage done

Posted by curiousq > 2023-07-24 15:28 | Report Abuse

OMG!!! hope no shameless liar here, otherwise TUA_PEK GONG will punish them

TUA_PEK GONG is a very good god and shouldn't be a subject for making jokes

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 15:36 | Report Abuse

Gotyou, how is the utilisation of the Vietnam plant? currently Vietnam is shortage of electricity, electricity consumption will increase in future...

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:43 | Report Abuse

really Beh-Ta-Han ..., first time may be it is your ignorance . second time may be you are egoitic . third time now . i have good reason it is motive driven to supress the price to accumulate at low

Posted by Just88 > 2023-07-24 15:45 | Report Abuse

soon9913, majority of the power plant profit is contributed by the capacity charge payments. Therefore higher or lower electricity production from the power plant will have marginal impact on the bottom line.

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-24 15:48 | Report Abuse

look at the price movent yourself , a TA beginner also can seethere is operator supporting the price at current level. i also do not hope to see the price spike up too , it will spoil the effort of the operate to collect more at a low cost , then limit up with a good news . what I said is reliable ? of course NOT reliable but reasonable and logical like what Gotyou did

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 15:49 | Report Abuse

assumption to repay loan to SG bank within 5 years also not realistic there is possibility for refinance another 5 or 10years.....? concession still have 22 years left...

Posted by Just88 > 2023-07-24 15:51 | Report Abuse

soon9913, the longer the repayment period, the more interest you have to pay.

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 15:55 | Report Abuse

take loan because no cash lo ...the article above mentioning up to 9 years negative cash flow ma.. it is not realistic to use 25 years income to pay for 5 year loan.. the loan has to be 10 / 15 years tenure only make sense

Posted by Just88 > 2023-07-24 15:58 | Report Abuse

But longer term loan increases the risks for the bankers. That is probably why the JHDP loan itself only 10 years tenure.

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 16:02 | Report Abuse

u see the assumption No 3 RM250m loans with 8.5% interest rate from Singapore Banks will be taken to subscribe for the 10% additional interest in JPP to be repaid over 5 years period.

5 years not making sense

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 16:02 | Report Abuse

if that additional 10% needs pay high interest and not profitable, better they drop 10% subscription lo

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 16:04 | Report Abuse

but the lousy mgt always think of their own pocket only how to get more freee share ... never think how to improve the company's profitability

Posted by Just88 > 2023-07-24 16:08 | Report Abuse

Wow, this article is NO.1 on the top article list.

Posted by Just88 > 2023-07-24 16:10 | Report Abuse

Anyone approached the investor relation on whether the capacity charges are declining over the concession period?

Posted by soon9913 > 2023-07-24 16:13 | Report Abuse

this article got many unverified assumptions.. but one true fact is the company run by lousy management.

Posted by andrewtna > 2023-07-25 16:10 | Report Abuse

😡😈

Posted by Plantermen > 2023-07-27 08:34 | Report Abuse

Cash flows is the life blood of a company. Without disrespect to any parties or person. A negative cash flow for such a long period is disastrous not to mention a disincentive for any long investor pinning for dividend yoeld

Posted by Asengkianjoo > 2023-07-31 15:21 | Report Abuse

Dear Sslee, ...sorry....