Posted by bowman > 2018-01-01 10:05 | Report Abuse

The same falling star pattern observed last friday seemed to be the repeat of that same on Oct 31. If you are out on the sidelines, just stay put. Wait for lower to collect if you are already in. Prognosis: Not good.

Posted by Equityengineer > 2018-01-01 10:26 | Report Abuse

Thanks Pantor. Coke price remain highest.
Finding opportunity to buy

Posted by Awet91 > 2018-01-01 10:39 | Report Abuse

Ty deMusangking for your explanation.

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-01 11:20 | Report Abuse

Its only in your dream to catch Huaan below 0.380. only less than 3 weeks left for the QR announcement. Huaan is back in business, like whenit was in 2007 and 2008, the share was above 0.800. Tomorrow Tursday, new investor will show up again, if you want to sell cheap its up to you..i am toping up,

Posted by AllWin > 2018-01-01 11:33 | Report Abuse

Next Q4 report always the worse in recent years. Anyone knows why ?

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-01 11:45 | Report Abuse

Nice try AllWin, Q4 will be excelent this time.

Posted by marzuq > 2018-01-01 12:42 | Report Abuse

Expected tomorrow price? Pump or dump

Posted by Mohd Fahmi Bin Jaes > 2018-01-01 13:20 | Report Abuse

https://www.bharian.com.my/dunia/asia/2018/01/369383/saya-dekat-dengan-butang-nuklear-kim

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-01 13:28 | Report Abuse

We will see people posting negative thing about Huaan with no evidence at all. Try not to trap into it, they just want you to sell your share cheap to them. Compare Huaan with any other company that make 260 milion revenue and 40 milion net profite per quarter and compare the share value of both, you will see that Huaan share is realy undervalued, give example, Frontkn and Dnex both share are 0.460 and 0.485 and theire revenue is less than 50 milion, with about only 10 milion net profite per quarter.Huaan worth 4 time more.

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-01 13:31 | Report Abuse

Last day trading of 2017, was a day for profite taking, what happen to Huaan happen to almost all klci stocks, shares raised up during morning session, and sell off during afternoon session, it is a trading patern happen every year at that day. Tomorrow is different story, back to 2 to 3 cent up a day for Huaan.

Posted by cruz > 2018-01-01 13:49 | Report Abuse

Huaan the next Pmetal(8869).....buy sino-huaan now very deep undervalued.

Posted by harlem > 2018-01-01 15:43 | Report Abuse

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL !!!

Let us start this new year with some positive sharing. Earlier I said hedging could be the DARK HORSE which could make profit of rmb 600 - 700 ton for Huaan in Q4. Below is elaboration on this dark horse.

First, let us examine the likelihood of Huaan hedging for Q4. For an understanding of hedging by coke producer, please see this example.
(http://www.360doc.cn/article/1688791_112957041.html - pls use google to translate)

So two conditions are required for coke producers to hedge the coke futures:-
1. coke futures HIGH PRICE
2. RISK of coke spot prices fall in future and affect profit

These two conditions were clearly presence in Aug / Sept 2017 when:
1. coke futures was at sky high price of about 2500 (pls see the main future contract at that time, J1801 http://finance.sina.com.cn/futures/quotes/J1801.shtml - please select 日K)
2. high risk of coke spot price fall in Q4'17 and Q1'18 due to the state winter production control and affect profit

So in Aug/Sept 2017, it is LOGICAL for any prudent coke producer to hedge at the coke futures to LOCK IN PROFITS. In fact it is a Golden Opportunity to hedge at that time because for the past few years, coke spot price was very depressed (way below 2500) The nearest to the future price of 2500 was in Nov/Dec 2016 when Linyi coke spot was at high of 2200 only.
(http://xiaohatu.com/screen/598c11e0673c75002f420c0f/59954d7756ba1500200e12ea/59955092447b9a0010f77324)

So based on
(1) the above reasonings;
(2) the chinese article claiming that "Futures become black industries enterprises operating standards to overcome hardship and protect profit" http://futures.eastmoney.com/news/1765,20171128806767516.html (pls see my comment on 29/11); and
(3) circumstantial evidences suggesting that Huaan HAD HEDGED BEFORE in Q2 (pls see my comment on 19/11),
then the likelihood of Huaan hedging in Aug/Sept was almost certain.

So now the question to ask is how much profit Huaan could make by hedging in Aug/Sept 2017. Coke future contract J1801 peak near 2500 in Aug/Sept 2017 and bottom at 1663 on 24/10, so the spread is about a BIG GAP of 800+.
(http://finance.sina.com.cn/futures/quotes/J1801.shtml - please select 日K)

Under such situations, I believe:
(i) a good hedger can make profit of 600-700 per ton !! (eg. sell futures at 2400 in Aug/Sep, later buy back at 1800 in Nov)
(ii) an average hedger can make profit of 300 per ton (eg. sell futures at 2200 in Aug/Sep, later buy back at 1900 in Nov)
(iii) even a poor hedger can make profit of 100 per ton

So if Huaan made profit of 300 per ton, then profit
= 200,000 tons x 300 profit per ton x 0.62 exchange rate
= RM37.2 million (or EPS of 3.3 sen) !

If Huaan made profit of 600 per ton, then profit
= 200,000 tons x 600 profit per ton x 0.62 exchange rate
= RM74.4 million (or EPS of 6.6 sen) !

This hedging profits will simply EXPLODE Huaan Q4 EPS ! ! ! !

Posted by harlem > 2018-01-01 15:43 | Report Abuse

On a lighter note, if our dear friend dompeilee, who don't even had a way to trade met coke, can theoretically make profit of 250 in the coke future small run-up from 1600+ to 2000+ (spread of about 400) in Nov 2017, then I believe Huaan, being an industry player who have their fingers on the pulse of the industry and who could easily have access to EXPERT coke futures analysts, could do better than dompeilee's 250, when the spread from top (Aug/Sept) to bottom (Nov) was as big as 800+ !! Right dom ?

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Posted by dompeilee > Nov 24, 2017 03:15 PM | Report Abuse

Sigh...Wish I had a way to trade met coke coz my prediction 2 wks ago( 1750 going to 2000 min) has proven correct. Anyway I am indirectly long that commodity by keeping my 78k Huaan.

Posted by harlem > 2018-01-01 15:45 | Report Abuse

Thanks to Keith Han for the 小哈图 quoted above.
http://xiaohatu.com/screen/598c11e0673c75002f420c0f/59954d7756ba1500200e12ea/59955092447b9a0010f77324

Posted by Keith Han > 2018-01-01 16:04 | Report Abuse

http://xiaohatu.com/mscreen/598c11e0673c75002f420c0f/599abd8203c9a7002bbcaab7/59ad48f43584f30013012432

C this can shown profit of shandong coke manufacturer profit is 623rmb / tone. Higher than Sept n oct. And the chart shown until 25 Dec.

Posted by harlem > 2018-01-01 16:09 | Report Abuse

Thanks Keith !

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-01 16:57 | Report Abuse

In that case Huaan Q4 net profite should exceed 70 milions? Anyway Q4 look like it going to be excelent quarter as well i expect Q1 for 2018 will be also an excelent quarter. Thanks Keith and Harlem.

Posted by zayady > 2018-01-01 17:09 | Report Abuse

I only have one question for this HUAAN tomolo, is he going to be UP or Down from the last closing price on last Friday (end 2017)? hehehehe

Posted by harlem > 2018-01-01 17:51 | Report Abuse

Good on you, dom !!

Posted by cruz > 2018-01-01 18:57 | Report Abuse

Full YR17 net profit should be 120 millions ......Huaan is worth RM1.10 by this month end quarter announcement.

Posted by bowman > 2018-01-01 19:42 | Report Abuse

Guys. Tomorrow park at the lower end of 0.30. Grab anything lower than 0.35..

Posted by pantor > 2018-01-01 19:54 | Report Abuse

If we follow Kyy rules that last 2 q earnings have been increasing (eps 1.96 Sen and 3.04 Sen) , and next q earning is expected to be good, then it's a strong buy call.

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-01 20:09 | Report Abuse

Huaan share will be swolled on tuesday, you dump, many will collect, up to you, big investors have met these 3 days after friday, and made their mind already,, you may miss the boat again if you plan to queu low...

Posted by zoizai > 2018-01-01 23:40 | Report Abuse

Tmr all in. Close at 0.45

Posted by necromancer > 2018-01-01 23:50 | Report Abuse

anyone familiar with designated stock?

Posted by Mohd Fahmi Bin Jaes > 2018-01-01 23:55 | Report Abuse

No

Posted by necromancer > 2018-01-02 00:32 | Report Abuse

please read on it.

Posted by cruz > 2018-01-02 08:05 | Report Abuse

Huaan share price up in tandem with it’s excellent financial profitability and uptrend in coke price ......TP 1.10

Posted by DrNigelTan > 2018-01-02 08:29 | Report Abuse

Missed the big move? Its okay , same exact chart set up at PUC for 30% increase.

Posted by astalavista > 2018-01-02 08:42 | Report Abuse

Ni hari apa macam...

Posted by Mohd Fahmi Bin Jaes > 2018-01-02 08:43 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by Dan168 > 2018-01-02 08:55 | Report Abuse

macam gap up on opening.

Posted by Jun Lim Ng > 2018-01-02 09:00 | Report Abuse

Morning !! Time to join the party ~~~ NEW YEAR Got Ang pao

Posted by Awet91 > 2018-01-02 09:03 | Report Abuse

So fast

Posted by Betta68 > 2018-01-02 09:04 | Report Abuse

Huryy, buy yours befor too late...

Posted by Dan168 > 2018-01-02 09:05 | Report Abuse

cant believe can go up early this morning.

Posted by heng5275 > 2018-01-02 09:05 | Report Abuse

As i told u all 2017last day trading many people choose to hold the cash so they sell off their shares and see the situation of stocks in 2018..this stock really will fly to at least rm1..just need to be patient for next quarter result out..

Posted by zoizai > 2018-01-02 09:05 | Report Abuse

happy new year......... !!!

Posted by astalavista > 2018-01-02 09:09 | Report Abuse

Walau.sorry to those sold last Friday :)...no more the 30s..Darling stock of 2018 !

Posted by Jun Lim Ng > 2018-01-02 09:09 | Report Abuse

now latest price is ?!

Posted by investorwannabe > 2018-01-02 09:14 | Report Abuse

.42!

Posted by bowman > 2018-01-02 09:17 | Report Abuse

be careful today. some caution will not be bad.

Posted by bowman > 2018-01-02 09:18 | Report Abuse

>>
pantor If we follow Kyy rules that last 2 q earnings have been increasing (eps 1.96 Sen and 3.04 Sen) , and next q earning is expected to be good, then it's a strong buy call.

Yes, it is wise, but last friday's volatility is still here. just waiting for a good buy. still too early to tell.

Posted by Kenneth Lim > 2018-01-02 09:20 | Report Abuse

take profit or how now...walao, i have 100 lot....

Posted by Jun Lim Ng > 2018-01-02 09:22 | Report Abuse

kenneth ..why take profit ?

Posted by astalavista > 2018-01-02 09:25 | Report Abuse

Take profit or selling...what ever it is...super results very soon...before month > 0.50....your choice

Posted by Awet91 > 2018-01-02 09:27 | Report Abuse

Done collect huaan 0.405

Posted by Jun Lim Ng > 2018-01-02 09:29 | Report Abuse

well done Awet91

Posted by Vienvien > 2018-01-02 09:36 | Report Abuse

When is their qr coming out

Posted by Jun Lim Ng > 2018-01-02 09:38 | Report Abuse

mid for JAN