Posted by supermix2 > 2015-11-14 13:15 | Report Abuse

Find seditious recording and put Ali Tinju back in the dock, say former IGP, lawyers Police should be able to trace the recording of Malay Armed Forces Veterans Association president Mohd Ali Baharom's alleged inflammatory remarks against the Chinese to build a stronger case against him, a former top cop and lawyers said. One lawyer also asked how it was that police did not have a full recording given their presence at the scene during the July riots outside Low Yat Plaza in Jalan Bukit Bintang, Kuala Lumpur. Another said police had been known to be savvy in going after social media users who made seditious remarks online, and should be just as competent in tracing a video that had gone viral. Commenting on why the charge against Ali had been dropped, former inspector-general of police Tan Sri Musa Hassan (pic, right) said police must have evidence before they could build a solid case. He added that this was the reason Attorney-General Tan Sri Mohamed Apandi Ali had directed the police to gather further evidence on the ex-soldier's seditious remarks. Musa said it was common knowledge that Ali's video had gone viral, adding that the police could find it. "But they have to ascertain who recorded the video and the person must give evidence in court," Musa said. The situation came about after Apandi in a recent interview with The Malaysian Insider said the sedition charge against Ali, popularly known as Ali Tinju, had been dropped because the police could not come up with the audio recording of the alleged inflammatory remarks made by the ex-soldier. Commenting on his decision which was widely condemned, Apandi said without evidence, he was unable to pursue the case. "The actual recording was not enough. It was only a few seconds... We missed the 'seditious' part. "They (the police) couldn't find it. It wasn't forthcoming. I told them, 'This isn't enough, go find more.' They said, 'Cannot find.' So that put an end to it," Apandi had said. Ali was charged under the Sedition Act on July 16 but the prosecution dropped the charge in September, citing lack of evidence. He was accused of allegedly saying: "Okay, we want justice. This is the dignity of Malays, not because one Chinese boy attacked many Malays. This is Malay land. Unite, and attack the DAP Chinese who are rude." Lawyers for Liberty executive director Eric Paulsen (pic, right) said it was incredible that the police were unable to trace any recordings when there were so many people present during the July incident. He said another puzzling issue was the fact that the police themselves did not have a full recording when there were so many of them on duty at the scene that day, adding that in most cases, the police themselves would have recorded the speeches and comments made. "We expect the police to be professional, there were so many of them at the scene," Paulsen said. Criminal lawyer New Sin Yew said police investigations into Ali's case were "grossly negligent at best and malicious at worst". He added that it was strange that in the case of Ali, police were unable to conduct a thorough investigation despite having proven in the past that they were able to prosecute cases involving social media channels. "They just have to get the maker to obtain the recording, they should be able to do that. "And call the maker of the video as a witness," he said. New said the reality was that if the police had botched the investigation, there was nothing the prosecutor could do. "The job of the police is to investigate and collect evidence. "The prosecutor's role is to initiate and conduct criminal proceedings based on the police investigation and evidence. "In this case, the police investigation can be described as negligent at best and malicious at worst," he said. The decision to drop the case against Ali had sparked outcry from opposition politicians and civil society who demanded a review or explanation of the matter. They also raised concerns of selective prosecution where in the past, individuals such as Baling Wanita Umno chief Datuk Dr Mashitah Ibrahim, who had accused the Chinese in Kuala Kedah of burning the Quran during the Umno general assembly last year, and Malay rights group Perkasa chief Datuk Ibrahim Ali who called for Malay Bibles using the word "Allah" to be burned, had not been charged with sedition. – November 14, 2015.

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Posted by phchin > 2015-11-14 13:55 | Report Abuse

The problem is not with elder Lim but the AG. He has absolute discretion to decide whether to charge or otherwise.

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Posted by phchin > 2015-11-14 15:48 | Report Abuse

Agreed, the future belongs to multi-racial political party.
Reject race based parties for a better Malaysia.

supermix2

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Posted by supermix2 > 2015-11-14 19:37 | Report Abuse

Siapa berani kecuali DAP? ...read on..

Perak DAP hands copy of Ali Tinju evidence to cops

Perak DAP has lodged a police report requesting the police to reopen its case against Malay Armed Forces Veterans Association president Mohd Ali Baharom for allegedly making "racist and seditious remarks" during the Low Yat Plaza incident in July.

Perak DAP economic development bureau chief Chong Zhemin said they lodged the report today following attorney-general (AG) Mohamed Apandi Ali saying in an interview on Thursday the case had been dropped for lack of evidence.

The police report cited the video link on YouTube that depicted the perpetrator, also known as Ali Tinju, making an inflammatory speech outside Low Yat Plaza following a fracas at the Kuala Lumpur electronics mall.

Chong said they have also copied the said video onto a CD and handed it to the police at IPD Ipoh as evidence.

"The said video recording of Ali Tinju making racist and inflammatory remarks had gone viral on the Internet, and it is inconceivable and unimaginable that the police are unable to come up with the recording of Ali Tinju making racist and seditious remarks.

"With this video evidence of Ali Tinju making racist and seditious remarks, the police should not have any more excuses to drop the charge against Ali Tinju," he said.

Chong added the decision to drop the sedition charge against Ali Tinju was a display of the ruling party's selective prosecution.

"This demonstrates the double standards employed by BN to shut up the opposition and dissidents," he said.

Mohd Ali was charged for sedition in July after he was detained for making a racially-charged speech outside Low Yat Plaza on the night of Sunday July 12.

However in September 17, Apandi dropped the charges.

supermix2

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Posted by supermix2 > 2015-11-14 19:39 | Report Abuse

What Malaysians says.....


chokstone seemingly,"THE HIGHEST AUTHORITIES BLUNTLY MAKE THE FOOL OF THE RAKYAT" with all type of stupid excuses for selective prosecution, without even bother how the rakyat feel.These are sign of desperation of our ruling party,cling on to power at all cost even though it will surely destroy the nation's dignity n image in the world n finally ruining the economy n harmonious situation of this land. This shameless moron force the rakyat to buy his side of stupid story;it is a common perception that "THE NATION IS now in a "STATE WITHOUT RULE OF LAW "."EMOTION OF HOPELESSNESS SURROUNDED THE LAND" All those involved will be termed as the traitors of this land when this episode is finally over.
12 minutes ago

Fair&Just To be cogent evidence: the camera phone and the maker (photo taker) have to be in court. But a fire can also destroy the evidence
28 minutes ago

Anonymous_40bb So what If BN/Govt selectively prosecute the opposition? What can they do?
34 minutes ago

Touche Because Ali Tinju is melayu ma
an hour ago

Quigonbond Appandi should retire. He's not doing his homework.
an hour ago

SCANDALCOUNTRY don't expect Pandi to do anything
an hour ago

ipohcrite The police had so far not responded to what Apandi Ali had said - that the police did not gather sufficient evidence for him to prosecute Ali Tinju. That's so unlike the police who could so swiftly swing into action and have ample evidence to charge activists and opposition leaders for sedition and Sosma offences. Wonder what happened to the police in this case. If it was poor investigation, that could easily be remedied by re-investigations unless they were reluctant to do so. But why?
an hour ago

Anonymous$&@? No comment from any UMNO cyberdogs?
2 hours ago

Fair&Just Chinese from all over the world, please watch how they bashed up three chinese on Youtube. Don't come here or you will too be wantonly and blatantly bashed up and without any remedies. This is a glimpse of the life of the chinese minorities here.
2 hours ago

OH YA? So what? The IGP and AG will say they cannot establish the authenticity of the video. Even if it is authenticated, they will say that unless the person who record the video comes forward as witness it cannot be used as court evidence. Even if it passes through these hurdles don't expect the offenders will be charged under the Seditions Act or for other more serious punitive legislations. The most they will get away with a small fine, just like those gangsters who broke into the Penang State Assembly. Some pro-UMNO judges may even discharge them "for merely exercising their constitution rights in defending the 3R".
2 hours ago

Worldly Wise This evidence somehow did not get into Apandi's file. He did not call for it either.
2 hours ago

Legit Apandi was looking right into the goyang buntut's arse hole. That is why he could not find any evidence.
2 hours ago

habislah MALAYSIA IS LAWLESS NOW WITH ALL OUR MALAYSIA JUDIARY,MACC,PRIME MINISTER,EVEN ATTONEY GENARAL AND ALL CABINET ARE HEARTLESS TO THE RAKYAT ARE SUPPORTING THE CRIMINAL AS HERO WHILE ALL THOSE MAKING REPORT OF CORRUPTION ARE ARRESTED.
2 hours ago

JBond How can a SCUMNO BALL CARRIER gets into trouble??? Since his big boss MURDERED A MONGOLIAN & STOLE RM 2.6B but still GOYANG KAKI in Putrajaya!
2 hours ago

habislah it show how corrupt our Malaysia ATTORNEY GENERAL APANDI ALI A SHAME TO SHOW THE WHOLE WORLD TO OUR HIGHEST CONSTITUTION
2 hours ago

Kit P Both the AG and PDRM are totally oblivious to Ali Tinju's racism , and fail to see anything wrong with his actions. Such is the abysmal standards of our law enforcement
2 hours ago

boeyks Thank you DAP Perak I hope that justice will prevail The AG could be looking at some other report maybe that of the bum show by these 'warriors"
2 hours ago

mickeymouse Apandi. Apa ni? So how now?

supermix2

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Posted by supermix2 > 2015-11-14 19:41 | Report Abuse

...more Malaysians berani buka mulut....


Onyourtoes Malaysiakini should have a copy. Why not show it here again.
2 hours ago

Simple Malaysian DAP will be investigated for fabricating evidence!
2 hours ago

Bad Head Shame on you Malaysia Police.
2 hours ago

Anonymous #70881335 Just a slap on the wrist probably.....A country with 2 standards of laws , will not progress and prosper.
2 hours ago

Anonymous #03815719 Hope Apandi will proof he is working for the country and the Kinģ and he is not following anyone.
2 hours ago

The Reaper let's see what happens now ... probably nothing
3 hours ago

Anonymous_3f6d Cops & AG will now say the video is not original and cannot prosecute ! Then conduct raid at DAP office to search for more "faked video"..
3 hours ago

Fair&Just No shame. This is their culture. Cowardice. What religion they profess?? Money?
3 hours ago

Anonymous #19098644 Dont forget to send one copy direct to the AG also so that Apandi has no excuse that he did not receive it
3 hours ago

1malaysia2perak3katak It will go to federal court if ever AG decides to prosecute but end of the day verdict will be NOT GUILTY!
3 hours ago

View Point Don't worry no action will be taken. They will say the speech was not his and that the cd was edited
3 hours ago

n1 Let us see if Apandi is as noble as what he claimed to be.
3 hours ago

iiiizzzziiii And the AG just thumbed his chest and proclaimed I fear no one. A person may be stupid but I did not know that a learned person like this Apandi character can exhibit learned stupidity to the masses. Why is it many of the present ministers or those holding senior positions in the government are making statements that has no logic. What kind of calibre leaders we have at present?
3 hours ago

Haveagreatday Good job, Chong!! Let's see how that worm Apandi will wriggle now!!


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