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Why Capital Gains Tax Should Not Be Implemented - Salvador Dali

Tan KW
Publish date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 01:43 PM
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Good.

Wednesday, October 10, 2018 

 

I have to reiterate why a Capital Gains Tax is a very bad idea for Malaysia.

Unique traits of Malaysia:
a) Very open economy
b) Ringgit has been weak, which actually has helped plenty of exporters but they are being very quiet about it
c) There are very very few safety nets for Malaysians unlike many developed countries, which means we should not overly burden the lower income group
d) We have a very simple tax code, let's not complicate it as its a major plus point for FDI
e) Our stock market has the largest portion of GDP that is listed compared to all the rest of the bourses in the world, that implies that it has a very high multiplier effect for the rest of the economy. Hence efforts must be made to preserve its vibrancy.



 Capital Gains Tax - Categorically no. The entrepreneurial spirit Malaysia is so proud of should never be curtailed, not even with a small capital gains tax. Being an open economy, we must allow the economy to function as freely as it can. This goes back to the (e) factor cited above. 

... in the USA if you sell a stock, you pay 15% (20% for high earners) of any profits you made over the time you held the stock. Those profits are known as capital gains, and the tax is called the capital gains tax. One exception: If you hold a stock for less than a year before you sell it, you'll have to pay your regular income tax rate on the gain - a rate that's higher than the capital gains tax. My gripe is that is you have capital gains tax, then you must also have loss deduction on taxable income ... but that only benefits people with income, what about those with no income (retirees). Please note that the local bourse has one of the highest retail market participation in the world.


The ramifications:

1) A huge amount of liquidity will be sucked out of the system. It will probably take at least 3-5 years for the market participants to get used to the CGT regime.

2) Might be a zero-sum game - You cannot have CGT without a corresponding reduction to taxable income when investors register losses. Who is to say you will get more WINNERS than LOSERS.

3) Cumbersome to report for tax returns and calculations. Do you withhold gains or do we have to save them for year-end? We already can see the problems arising from this.

4) Our local burse has one of the highest levels of retail participation among all global markets. Which is to imply that a substantial number of participants are retirees. You can whack 15% CGT on their stock gains, what about when they make losses? They have no other taxable income to deduct the losses from. Give them a 15% voucher for upcoming funeral services?

5) Like it or not, all markets need some level of "cowboy-ness" in it to generate liquidity and activity. Like it or not, a substantive portion of liquidity in the system emanates from the grey unregulated economy, for want of a better word. You impose CGT, all these funds will disappear overnight... who wants to report all transactions for tax purposes? Imagine a prolonged stock market trading at only 30% of average daily volume ... that would make imposing CGT counter-intuitive and disastrous.

6) Bearing in mind our local market has the highest level of GDP that is listed when compared to other bourses. That means there will be a huge multiplier effect up or down.


Back To The Drawing Board

Instead of imposing 20 new taxes to get a paltry amount... there's no other way than to list Petronas to buy a substantive breathing room for the next 5 years at least. RM200bn will help us a lot. Note - we have to list first before the mega Aramco.
 

Listing of Petronas - This is a brilliant idea. Last year's profit was RM45bn. Price of oil has climbed steadily this year, can extrapolate profits to RM50bn this year. Using 20x = RM1,000bn market cap. Government sells 20% = RM200bn. Although I am against selling vital resources, but we can get important local funds (PNB, EPF, etc.) to take up 6%, and let retailers take up another 4%. The company pays decent dividends. When our country's balance sheet is better, we may even consider buying back and taking Petronas private later on.

 

 

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Up_down

Bursa market liquidity is drying up and Government forces us migrating to foreign market.

2018-10-11 18:00

EngineeringProfit

PH needs to quit politicking....

....and start to gear and power up national resources...economy...

by carefully setting and implementing only universal right, evidenced-based and proven policies

2018-10-11 18:01

EngineeringProfit

...every word and move after this

MUST be carefully studied beforehand and thoroughly thought of

2018-10-11 18:03

Sami_Value

they haven't announce yet, you all already kau beh kau bu here? let them announce it this November 18 1st then only bash la, like that only got fun, see how they u turn later

2018-10-11 18:03

EngineeringProfit

a cabinet of 40 thieves may not make blockbuster Alibaba movie....

.........but one with 40 clowns will not make a world class circus show either

2018-10-11 18:21

3iii

http://www.investlah.com/forum/index.php/topic,79312.msg1558423/topicseen.html#msg1558423


India introduced taxation on income earned from selling shares recently. Let us have a look at this.


Summary

1. Long term capital gain of more than Rs. 1 lakh on sale of equity shares or equity oriented units of mutual fund, the gain made will attract a capital gains tax of 10%.


2. Short term capital gains are taxed at 15% irrespective of your tax slab.


3. Any short term capital loss from sale of equity shares can be set off against short term or long term capital gain from any capital asset. If the loss is not set off entirely, it can be carried forward for a period of 8 years.


4. Long term capital loss arising from such listed equity shares, mutual funds etc would be allowed to be carried forward to subsequent eight years for set-off against LTCG.





Should Malaysia introduce something that is quite similar, what will be the impact on:

1. Short term traders?
2. Long term investors?
3. The stock-broking industry?

2018-10-11 18:26

relaks

"If CGT is introduced here, the likelihood of both local and foreign investors to trade in Malaysia will decline. They would choose other bourses to invest because they would not be taxed," he said.

He added that companies that want to be listed on the bourse would have difficulty in doing so to get additional capital to expand their business or to build new factories.

"Because of this, their business can't grow further, affecting job creations and economic activity. In this era of globalisation, it is easy for Malaysian companies to list themselves on the stock exchange of other countries," he said.

Najib said that the biggest investors in Malaysia are institutions owned by the EPF, Tabung Haji, PNB and private trading companies.

"When the demand for Malaysian shares falls, the prices will fall and result in losses to these institutions," he said.


Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/10/11/where-are-we-headed-malaysia-najib-asks-after-bursa-tumbles/#4SjdBGmktTO2i4FM.99

2018-10-11 18:38

Junichiro

To date, the government has no given any indication that there won't be CGT on share trading in view of the 2nd day of tumble. Everyone is playing safe n assume that the will be such tax coming.
If it does come, Bursa will lose its dynamism. The market will be as good as dead. Volume will decline greatly. So CGT is self defeating as there is not much gains to tax.

Tomorrow be probably won't be good.

2018-10-11 19:24

Junichiro

"About a week ago, at the open forum, ....... and he might consider profit gain tax on share investment of listed companies."

Looking at what KYY wrote, be prepare for a Bursa crash. I am staying away for the time being. If u have lots of holdings of shares in Bursa, only God can help you.

2018-10-11 19:33

nkw014

Maybe we're just to emotion with things that not even been clarify. Even if it turn out to be true, just let it be. If our nation can go through 1997 during Dr M time, I don't see any reason why we can't do it again. Till today we're still paying MAS debt, 1Mdb debt it's just another excuse.

2018-10-11 20:37

pussycats

He said that Singapore and Hong Kong, which have more active and bigger stock markets, did not impose CGT.

"If CGT is introduced here, the likelihood of both local and foreign investors to trade in Malaysia will decline. They would choose other bourses to invest because they would not be taxed," he said.

He added that companies that want to be listed on the bourse would have difficulty in doing so to get additional capital to expand their business or to build new factories.

"Because of this, their business can't grow further, affecting job creations and economic activity. In this era of globalisation, it is easy for Malaysian companies to list themselves on the stock exchange of other countries," he said.

He said that the biggest investors in Malaysia are institutions owned by the EPF, Tabung Haji, PNB and private trading companies.

"When the demand for Malaysian shares falls, the prices will fall and result in losses to these institutions," he said.

2018-10-12 14:39

Junichiro

those foreign bourse would be laughing their way to the bank.

2018-10-12 15:14

joetay

there r many ways to raise revenues, but putting taxes on bursa is not one of them.

firstly, the liquidity of bursa is alrdy thin as it can be. a cgt will most likely result in many investors only focusing on the high dividend and big cap stocks. thereby neglecting quality mid/small cap stocks.

this brings in a high possibility that participation in bursa will be even lower as small retailers will retreat further from the market.

lastly, the costs of compliance. will the cgt be collected by investment banks or individuals have to do the reporting?

instead of simply imposing taxations, work on plugging the leakages. i dont see town councils cracking down on illegal car wash or coffee shops.

2018-10-13 10:31

tecpower

中國9月出口增14.5% 遠超預期 | http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/442872

2018-10-13 10:37

tecpower

8月制造业销售扬8.1% | http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/442674

2018-10-13 10:52

ahbah

CGT ... a certain financial death sentence for Malaysians !

2018-10-13 11:20

hstha

The sales and services tax (SST) should be increased instead of implementing the capital gain tax. Increasing SST is more effective to increase the country' revenue because all Malaysian people need to pay it. In constract, only some people need to pay CGT.

2018-10-13 11:44

hstha

Hong Kong and Singapore do not impose the CGT.
Stocks in emerging markets are bearish due to US-China trade war concerns.
I believe imposing CGT will have a great impact on the Malaysian market.

Imposing CGT should be delayed by a few years.

2018-10-13 11:51

TrippleZ

hstha, increase SST will defeat the purpose of removing GST.

2018-10-13 12:04

chinaman

Close down bursa, Close down genting, close down 4D GAME, much better. All are gambling, not halal, anyway. we fully support govt. wakaka

2018-10-13 15:14

chinaman

close down alcohol factory, Heineken, etc. as well. We fully support Islamic way of life, healthy lifestyle. wakaka

2018-10-13 15:17

chinaman

I'll vote for PAS in next GE. wakaka

2018-10-13 15:18

investor1458

Let's vote out PH in the next election if capital gain tax is implemented.

2018-10-13 16:06

samyew1234

thank u lge

2018-10-13 18:51

AlphaJuliet1708

I wonder what's so important about this Proton 3.0 thing. Aren't we already have too many cars on the road? So many cars, each car with one driver without any passengers whatsoever.

2018-10-13 20:11

EngineeringProfit

NEW MALAYSIA.MUST NOT END UP SYNONYM TO NEW TAXES

AND PH MUST NOT END UP A MISNOMER

GOD IS WATCHING

2018-10-13 20:16

lizi

LAST TIME I ALREADY SAID, JUST REDUCE THE GST RATE...SO SIMPLY....SO EASY.....NO HASSLE AND YET GET IMMEDIATELY SEE COST PRICE REDUCTION EFFECT....NO OVERHEAD FROM CHANGING SYSTEM.....

PH GOV IS SO EGO....DIE DIE CHANGE T0 SST WITH FLAW ARGUMENT....I DIAM DIAM....BUT NOW WITH CGT I CANNOT DIAM DIAM....WANT TO SHOOT THEM....

2018-10-13 20:26

AlphaJuliet1708

I'm okay with reducing the GST rate tho.

2018-10-13 20:32

EngineeringProfit

Tax issue...yes. BUT BIGGER ISSUE NOW IS LAME GOMEN

2018-10-13 20:33

AlphaJuliet1708

Blame the 'kerajaan terdahulu'.

2018-10-13 20:35

ABSBOSS

Hope CGT if they implement will affect ASB and ASN holder.... See how malaysian will get fedup with this govt

2018-10-13 20:35

EngineeringProfit

Landing resource-rich nation in such deepshit has to be blamed

Fail to reset all the wrong policies the second time is just too lame


(...and insane.....because insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result )

2018-10-13 20:43

paperplane

They claims taxing from your gain is fair.... Duh. But what if i lose 100%ah??can claim back?

2018-10-13 20:49

hollandking

currently is just rumour there's cgt BUT I'll be careful. If got CGT, quite certain those still holding a lot, u r sure to get burnt kao kao. So to uncle kyy, be careful.

2018-10-13 20:52

paperplane

Increase sin tax loh, drink alcohol pay 100%more, same with smoke

2018-10-13 20:53

paperplane

If introduce capital gain tax i will sell all Malaysia stocks straight, move my money to China since China stock dropped a lot, tje currency so low now, near 7,i got more potential to gain frpm hong kong and China.

2018-10-13 20:54

paperplane

Even my capital return flat, i bet my forex gain can be lucrative

2018-10-13 20:55

gsi723

claiming that only the rich buy share & easily making a lot of money from share market is simply cheap political talk.. earning from share trading is no-brainer game? bull shit.

Can we claim tax rebate if losing from share-trading then?

the PH Govt particularly LGE claimed billions has been stolen from Govt account, why still nobody got arrested & charged? come on... recover those stolen billions should be his priority!

2018-10-13 20:57

Up_down

What's the difference between abolishing GST and restoring SST plus additional taxes? The net effect seems not much after taking into account confusion to the public. Another big issue is Tolls abolishing fail. PH government is seen simply dish out their manifestos to fish Rakyat. Why not restore back GST and abolishing tolls? At least, the government fulfill one of their major manifesto.

2018-10-13 21:13

EngineeringProfit

Ego.....too egoistic to listen

.....to admit wrong and switch back from SST to GST

2018-10-13 21:19

AlphaJuliet1708

Forget abolishing tolls.

Just bring the petrol price down to RM2.00. At least that will very slightly fulfill one of their manifestos.

2018-10-13 21:24

AlphaJuliet1708

Or probably, make toll charges at RM1.00 on all highways. I think it's a populist move though.

2018-10-13 21:33

Up_down

PH government cabinet team seems rather fresh. They don't know how to twist and turn the policies to please Rakyat and attracting FDI. They only know in reveal all the negative facts....spooking foreign investors. People also fed up with all the blames in previous government repeating again and again.

2018-10-13 21:54

feimah

All blaming game should be stop after 100 days. No more excuse

2018-10-13 21:58

Up_down

I believe most of the Bursa investors feel dizzy for what PH has done for the past 5 months. Foreign Funds keeps throwing their shares like no tomorrow.

2018-10-13 21:59

feimah

LGE failed us

2018-10-13 22:00

Up_down

How would you respond if you engage a new CEO to revamp the company and the CEO knows revealing negative facts and keep putting blame on former management team?

2018-10-13 22:03

AlphaJuliet1708

They made this CGT as a method to pay back the debt that they told, which is at a trillion ringgit. Some and even international creditors disagreed with that number. The country will have some revenue nonetheless. But they still suffered from the compensations that they created previously.

If only the previous government takes back the administration, then they will switch back the numbers. They'll show that the country has more money with even lesser debt to GDP ratio... thanks to the previous CGT.

2018-10-13 23:58

EngineeringProfit

Bad idea.....myopic viewing through a tunnel vision

....the pie size has shrunk

if cannot enlarge it.....don't shrink it further

do no harm......common sense


(Do the first thing first...ENLARGE THE PIE SIZE...

......by the time klse index is as high as the USA.....then impose whatever tax)

2018-10-14 08:41

kyosan

Posted by pussycats > Oct 10, 2018 05:38 PM | Report Abuse

///kyosan ///cgt on share...if it tax on amt profit (capital gain) then no problem loor... give money back loor to govt since other ppl has loss when you are gaining. ///

How govrment know who buy AirAsia at Rm3 and then sell AirAsia at 4 ringgit & tax 15% profit on that one ringgit...

another person buy AirAsia at Rm3 & sell at Rm3.50, then pay tax 15% on 50 cents profit...this method govrnment will not monitor...to time consuming for gov to do. Gov need to ask for your shares history record to tax you...bolehkah.... like Gst recordkeeping...u want kah?

Gov will tax 15% on those who sell AirAsia at Rm4. That is 15% tax on every AirAsia share sold at Rm4. This method Gov can manage to do lah.

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system can do it automatically if you want, wherever there's capital gain the system should be able to charge you on the spot. i believe programmer can do it.i just assume. peace~

2018-10-15 15:34

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