Have to see the context of the messages. Peers in any industry always in communication. If their conversation is about cost of corn and soybeans are going up. That's just stating facts. As peers and also competitors, conversation on HOW MUCH they are increasing their price is like revealing their secret and no experience business people will do especially on commoditize products. Pricing is their advantage.

Ravetidus

refer to the evidence shared by MyCC (including messages), then only u can make informed decision

Yeah that's why REVENUE for ALL Msia glove makers are UP. So according to Nutsucker's logic. China's glove is what they are buying. Stewpid but bising = Tin Kosong.

NatsukoMishima

US , EUROPE already make huge stock pile from China glove before tariff start ! Only naive malaysia glove tard will believe reclaiming old glory stories from roti planta IB ! Cut you one more round !

Go to high court just like GRAB against MyCC. GRAB won the case. So this is expected with LHI to all the way to High Court.

Thx KimSua. Yes I agree. MACD RSI is lagging. I think your way with net short is something like CFTC (commitment of traders) way of looking at thing for swing trade. I'm not good at CFTC method but I think it's a better trend indicator.
Selling early is ok as long as still make profit. Protect our capital is still number 1 priority. 😃

I'm using the standard MACD, MA (20,50,150) and RSI to monitor for tech analysis. Hoping you can point out this net short position for me to add into my analysis. TQ

Kim Sua, Do you monitor the short position every trading day? ("Always observe the net short position trend ...")
Volume Value
KOSSAN KOSSAN RUBBER INDUSTRIES BHD 284,700 745,578

This the data I got from Bursa for 5 Dec 2024. But no graph to see spike or trough.

Yeah it can go down and up... but fundamental is still intact.

HaroldHuong

Up for 2days and see how 2moro..

I think can go higher. Because the situation is different now. Then, the 25% tariff will be in 2026. So there is another 1 year before the tariff. Anything can happen in 12 months. True enough, Maybank wrote an article abt China glove being so great and all. So traders sell big.

Now, it is 50% tariff in 2025 and US targeting China manufacturers wherever they manufacture from. Whole different situation bro.

KimSua

Highest high for since the first ustr announcement. Out for now

This shld be interpreted as "USA targeting tariff on China glove manufacturer even if they operate from Indonesia, Vietnam or Msia. "

This shld be interpreted as "USA targeting tariff on China glove manufacturer even if they operate from Indonesia, Vietnam or Msia. "

NO. Totally different issue. LONGi is China's solar manufacturer. They have a big production in Bukit Beruntung, Rawang. Of course Msia got hit by this tariff. They are targeting China manufacturers. Even the article stated this fact:

The group, the American Alliance for Solar Manufacturing Trade Committee, accused big Chinese solar panel makers with factories in Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam and Thailand of causing global prices to collapse by dumping products into the market.

NO. Totally different issue. LONGi is China's solar manufacturer. They have a big production in Bukit Beruntung, Rawang. Of course Msia got hit by this tariff. They are targeting China manufacturers. Even the article stated this fact:

The group, the American Alliance for Solar Manufacturing Trade Committee, accused big Chinese solar panel makers with factories in Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam and Thailand of causing global prices to collapse by dumping products into the market.

Nutsucker will end up in an asylum in 2025 ! Dont ask me why , you will know the answer in 2025 !

Nutsucker will end up in an asylum in 2025 ! Dont ask me why , you will know the answer in 2025 !

Yeah. I'm going for the dividend and hold for Q4 results in Feb 2025.

Do you guy think price will drop after the ex-date for dividend?

Nutsucker eyes red.... hahahaha

Thx for the heads up KimSua

Then say in in Ranhill forum lor. Why say it here? You expect people to sell Harta and buy Ranhill ka? 😂

NatsukoMishima

With this rm 3.47 price , i better buy ranhill for coming robust net profit when DC starts operate , ranhill share price will surge 500 % from now ! Glove stocks wont back to pre pandemic level forever !

KimSua ... Totally agree. Will hover around 2.5 until Q4 2024 result to decide. I expect better results.

This export rebate cancelation will prevent China exporter from throwing price. Now they have to compete without CCP back up.

Another share from Harta forum:

Aiyoh ... 50% of US order is secured without China kacau2.
The other 50% is price war and you think Msia cannot fight them? Glove is low margin, low tech product. China's cost base is no difference than Msia.
For comparison 2023 annual report: Cost of Revenue/Revenue
Harta = 86.77%
INTCO (China) = 86.30%
To me... this is not much difference.

Before COVID, China was not focus too much on gloves but after covid and their production increases, they want to muscle in by throwing price. Basically stealing Msia customers base. But remember this, OVERHEAD cost is a KILLER in this kind of VOLUME game products. That's why Topglove is still making losses. INTCO (China) is 79 bill annual capacity. Kossan and Harta stands at 35bill annually which is at the optimum production capacity to make money. INTCO will go into losses soon enough. AND without US market, China will lose even more.

Remember Evergrande? Why have they gone bankrupt? High debt. INTCO debt exploded from RMB280 mill to RMB7.17 bill. That is 25.6 times. When their production size cannot justify the sales they have, they will cut down production significantly and lose economy of scale. They have enough cash to cover their debt but they definitely cannot THROW PRICE to steal Msia customer base.

With US tariff, China is no longer a threat.

Aiyoh ... 50% of US order is secured without China kacau2.
The other 50% is price war and you think Msia cannot fight them? Glove is low margin, low tech product. China's cost base is no difference than Msia.
For comparison 2023 annual report: Cost of Revenue/Revenue
Harta = 86.77%
INTCO (China) = 86.30%
To me... this is not much difference.

Before COVID, China was not focus too much on gloves but after covid and their production increases, they want to muscle in by throwing price. Basically stealing Msia customers base. But remember this, OVERHEAD cost is a KILLER in this kind of VOLUME game products. That's why Topglove is still making losses. INTCO (China) is 79 bill annual capacity. Kossan and Harta stands at 35bill annually which is at the optimum production capacity to make money. INTCO will go into losses soon enough. AND without US market, China will lose even more.

Remember Evergrande? Why have they gone bankrupt? High debt. INTCO debt exploded from RMB280 mill to RMB7.17 bill. That is 25.6 times. When their production size cannot justify the sales they have, they will cut down production significantly and lose economy of scale. They have enough cash to cover their debt but they definitely cannot THROW PRICE to steal Msia customer base.

With US tariff, China is no longer a threat.

Another share:

Harta management is the "best" is only by reputation. I give you that. But that is just a small part to the overall picture. Don't forget, glove is a LOW margin product and easy to make. China was a threat before the tariff. AFTER the tariff, Msia gloves are on an even playing field.

You talk about automation, Kossan has been doing that since 2017 and with strong cash position, they had been upgrading production since 2021. Now is almost 2025. They had spent 4 years to be fully automated. Kossan is no way behind Hartalega in this aspect.
https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/cover-story-slow-and-steady-route-digital-transformation

Kossan has one bad reputation problem; CEO sells shares when price is high. A bit annoying but hey, he is allowed to do that. This caused Kossan to be undervalued AT THE MOMENT. But things that matters like production, quality etc ... Kossan is as good as Harta. Remember, Kossan and Harta were the only 2 glove companies that were not banned by US Custom on labour issues.

Topglove ... well they are big. That's all.

So Dawchok, it not arrogance. It's facts. Get off your high horse on "best management". It's only goes on for a while. It will wear off fast. Btw, Kossan is the only glove company making profit this Q3. And been paying dividend.


dawchok

The management is the best in gloves industry albeit much arrogant comparing to those from KS and TG

Harta management is the "best" is only by reputation. I give you that. But that is just a small part to the overall picture. Don't forget, glove is a LOW margin product and easy to make. China was a threat before the tariff. AFTER the tariff, Msia gloves are on an even playing field.

You talk about automation, Kossan has been doing that since 2017 and with strong cash position, they had been upgrading production since 2021. Now is almost 2025. They had spent 4 years to be fully automated. Kossan is no way behind Hartalega in this aspect.
https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/cover-story-slow-and-steady-route-digital-transformation

Kossan has one bad reputation problem; CEO sells shares when price is high. A bit annoying but hey, he is allowed to do that. This caused Kossan to be undervalued AT THE MOMENT. But things that matters like production, quality etc ... Kossan is as good as Harta. Remember, Kossan and Harta were the only 2 glove companies that were not banned by US Custom on labour issues.

Topglove ... well they are big. That's all.

So Dawchok, it not arrogance. It's facts. Get off your high horse on "best management". It's only goes on for a while. It will wear off fast. Btw, Kossan is the only glove company making profit this Q3. And been paying dividend.


dawchok

The management is the best in gloves industry albeit much arrogant comparing to those from KS and TG

Something to share what I posted on Hartalega forum:

No. We are NOT investing for another pandemic. That could be another 100 years from now. We are investing in US-China rivalry and it is bearing fruit since USTR announce 50%(2025) and 100%(2026) tariff on China gloves.
Between Intco and Bluesail production is about 90bill annual capacity. With tariff, Msia and Thai glove has the upside on volume and ASP to sell in US market (largest market for gloves).

Even with 10% or 20% tariff on Msia & Thai, we are still cheaper than China. But I don't think that will happen. US target is really China thanks to Supermax. Supermax is on board in American Medical Manufacturers Association (AMMA). They are the one convince US to place tariff on China. Supermax production capacity in Texas is only 4.8 bill per annum, meaning the rest of US order will come from Supermax Msia. Supermax will not be silly to want tariff on Msia gloves.

And if Supermax to expand they production in US, that would eat a lot into their capital. They spent billions and are losing money these few years bcoz of building their plant in US. It would take years for this expansion to take place. So we have a good 4 years for Msia gloves. By then PE of 150 will drop to PE 25 when the profit has increased tremendously.

Please do your research before you shoot your mouth.
On Supermax.
https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/726994


mushimushi

Why PE 150++ still buy? This Tulip mania.

Moderna And Other Vaccine Maker Stocks Tumble After Trump Taps RFK Jr. As HHS Head
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/11/14/moderna-and-other-vaccine-maker-stocks-tumble-after-trump-taps-rfk-jr-as-hhs-head/

There will be no plandemic in the next 4 years.

No. We are NOT investing for another pandemic. That could be another 100 years from now. We are investing in US-China rivalry and it is bearing fruit since USTR announce 50%(2025) and 100%(2026) tariff on China gloves.
Between Intco and Bluesail production is about 90bill annual capacity. With tariff, Msia and Thai glove has the upside on volume and ASP to sell in US market (largest market for gloves).

Even with 10% or 20% tariff on Msia & Thai, we are still cheaper than China. But I don't think that will happen. US target is really China thanks to Supermax. Supermax is on board in American Medical Manufacturers Association (AMMA). They are the one convince US to place tariff on China. Supermax production capacity in Texas is only 4.8 bill per annum, meaning the rest of US order will come from Supermax Msia. Supermax will not be silly to want tariff on Msia gloves.

And if Supermax to expand they production in US, that would eat a lot into their capital. They spent billions and are losing money these few years bcoz of building their plant in US. It would take years for this expansion to take place. So we have a good 4 years for Msia gloves. By then PE of 150 will drop to PE 25 when the profit has increased tremendously.

Please do your research before you shoot your mouth.
On Supermax.
https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/726994


mushimushi

Why PE 150++ still buy? This Tulip mania.

Moderna And Other Vaccine Maker Stocks Tumble After Trump Taps RFK Jr. As HHS Head
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/11/14/moderna-and-other-vaccine-maker-stocks-tumble-after-trump-taps-rfk-jr-as-hhs-head/

There will be no plandemic in the next 4 years.

YEah.... Revenue increase and still profitable. Not like Harta in operating loss.

Kossan QR today or 20th Nov?

What is the objective of tariff? So manufacturers will open a plant in USA and provide jobs. Tesla already have a plant in China so Elon is already golden in his position in China. Trump is expecting China EV to open plants in US if they want to sell in US. China being in economic downturn wouldn't touch Elon in China because of job security for Chinese people there. Many Korean and Japanese manufacturers had already left China and now many Chinese are jobless.

Elon will keep supporting Trump on China's tariff. Trump's tariff is a bargaining chip for one big issue ... BRICS. Democrats use war for this issue. They convince Zelensky for Ukraine to join NATO, knowing well that Putin will retaliate with war. That's why Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan, to start a war with China. Trump doesn't want war so he uses tariff.

AS reported, loss due to abrupt higher RM value to USD and increase operating cost on new production line.

And another thing, Trump's plan for oil&gas in US will make natural gas cheaper in global market.
Good for Msian glove makers.

And another thing, Trump's plan for oil&gas in US will make natural gas cheaper in global market.
Good for Msian glove makers.

50% (2025) & 100% (2026) Tariff on China glove is CONFIRMED.
20% tariff on OTHER glove makers ... First time heard it from Calvin Tan. True or not, nobody knows.

Firstly, I think Trump is smart enough to know putting on 20% tariff on other glove manufacturers will increase price for Americans. Their target is China. Not hurting their own people. With 4 big glove makers in Msia and Sri Trang in Thailand, they will be competing price wise to lure American buyers. No need to disturb situation that's advantages to USA.

Second and most important factor, glove is a LOW margin product. Trump is targeting for HIGH margin products like EV cars, cars, smartphones etc. to be manufactured in USA. They want to bring these manufacturing back to USA. Other low margin products is focus on cheap labours overseas.

Trump's decision to lower corporate tax also to lure American companies to bring back their overseas profit back to US and pay US tax. Most US companies have offshore accounts/companies for lower taxes purposes.

If Supermax were to build their factory in Mexico, I would buy their shares. But building in US with higher labour cost and stringent government regulations, I would stay away.

3rdly, I think Calvin Tan owns Supermax shares and trying to boost the price up. 😂😂🤣😂😁

50% (2025) & 100% (2026) Tariff on China glove is CONFIRMED.
20% tariff on OTHER glove makers ... First time heard it from Calvin Tan. True or not, nobody knows.

Firstly, I think Trump is smart enough to know putting on 20% tariff on other glove manufacturers will increase price for Americans. Their target is China. Not hurting their own people. With 4 big glove makers in Msia and Sri Trang in Thailand, they will be competing price wise to lure American buyers. No need to disturb situation that's advantages to USA.

Second and most important factor, glove is a LOW margin product. Trump is targeting for HIGH margin products like EV cars, cars, smartphones etc. to be manufactured in USA. They want to bring these manufacturing back to USA. Other low margin products is focus on cheap labours overseas.

Trump's decision to lower corporate tax also to lure American companies to bring back their overseas profit back to US and pay US tax. Most US companies have offshore accounts/companies for lower taxes purposes.

If Supermax were to build their factory in Mexico, I would buy their shares. But building in US with higher labour cost and stringent government regulations, I would stay away.

3rdly, I think Calvin Tan owns Supermax shares and trying to boost the price up. 😂😂🤣😂😁

I didn't analyze the finances and all ... just on the new operation in US, I don't really like it. US workers union will definitely make high labour cost. US has too many redtapes and regulations. OF course they will benefit on US tariff on China, but Msia gloves also benefit even if US has 10% tariff on Msia.

Dear Chipee
what do u think Supermax?

To see the effect of the tariff, we to wait for Q4 result.

EU-China tariff fight is ON! Just like war, China will retaliate with tariff on EU and EU hopefully retaliate with tariff on ... China gloves? 😁

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2024/10/31/china-tells-carmakers-to-pause-investment-in-eu-countries-backing-ev-tariffs-sources-say

Doesn't make any difference if Trump or Kamala. Both are anti-China.
But watch on Congress wins. See who holds majority for control. I'm hoping for almost 50/50 position.

ABRD and KWSP dispose SAME number of shares for a few days? I think there's some glitch in Bursa information or something weird is going on.

When US tariff announce at 25% in 2026, Kossan shot to Rm3.
Now US tariff already announce at 50% in 2025 and 100% in 2026..... It should shoot up to at least Rm3.

I think we can forget about Q3 result. Look at Topglove, they make a loss and the stock is up.
Bull all the way for gloves.

I think we can forget about Q3 result. Look at Topglove, they make a loss and the stock is up.
Bull all the way for gloves.

I think government will remove the subsidy just like the chicken. And in return, price ceiling will be lifted. Bode well for LHI. CAB lose money bcoz they lose market share to LHI and others.

If remove subsidy. Then should remove price control.
Should be good new. Getting price increase from sales is faster than receiving money from government via red tape.

Currently, egg producers are given subsidy at a rate of 10 sen per egg, while the ceiling retail prices for Grade A, B and C chicken eggs is set at 42 sen, 40 sen and 38 sen per egg.

I will top up if this happens.

Muyutin

DUN TOO HAPPY
LHI WILL CRASH SOON
AFTER MYCC RESULTS COMES OUT

Nah ... people take profit from KLSE and move to HK and China market.

Then we should see better result in Q3. Nat gas and oil prices are down. Q4 we should see more order coming from US. They might avoid China fearing their cargo may arrive in 2025.

Another day, another tin kosong comment from him. 😂

NatsukoMishima

EU n USA will follow India to ban also !

Msia is killing our own economy. Hiking foreign pay will syphon our money into their country. And at 2K/month, this foreign workers don't pay tax although there's levies paid but paid by employers. Increasing foreign pay will not encourage employers to hire locals instead bcoz locals don't want the job to begin with.