Dragon ... itu burung kakak muda ke atau burung gagak hitam boleh tukar tukar jadi lain colour mah ... macam burung cenderawasih ikut suka BB ... bila bila masa betul. Tu fitch mahu downgrade dari burung rajawali jadi ayam kampung BBQ ... itu macam tak boleh niaga kat jalan bursa. Tapi setakat aku tahu itu Wall Street 1900 dulu kini pun sama jugak, same business, only the pocket change. Market are driven by human .... human nature never change. Same kok kok colour.
Market are never wrong ... opinion are ... aiyah

... apa apa doremifaso punya cerita
Mahu naik punya tetap naik.
Mahu turun punya tetap turun.
Itu sebab gua langsung tak ikut news.

Satu dunia punya saham sama jugak.
Burung Gagak satu dunia sama warna ... puteh mah ..hihi

A very important statement by Laotze.
Many TA guys are not totally convince, I myself has a good experience.
The counter has a Life of Own. Itu semua NIAT BB, jangan lupa.

... malas mahu jawab. kalau nak cari salah, tak suka ini itu banyak bertimbun timbun boleh dapat ... dia pun taklah hutang siapa siapa

LS ... I believe your well intended forewarn shall be understood and take heed by those with a listening the heart . 「止於至善」, 成己成物.
Well Done.

dragon "mai peng rai". kalau terbalik tenguk tapa itu pun takdir. tak payah susah hati. just remember somewhere over the rainbow way up high ... skies are blue ... dream comes true ... trouble melt like lemon drops ... there you find me .... blue birds fly over the rainbow. chart turun naik,lagu pun ikut rentak dia tapi lagu nyanyi merdu kasi hati sedap sikit ... hahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26BvHOD_sg
over the raibow & what a wondeful world

BB creates a lot of confident with the rise of 1.14, rebound coming?
CIMB research house: "selling climax" after falling more than 50% recommend ADD fundamentaly intact blah blah.
IFCA Hell can break loose one more time. Yes everything intact EXCEPT technical chart no more intact. Which is your choice?

... ini ranger mana mari punya. I tengok dia selalu cari pasal sini, ada apa boleh kasih orang belajar. I beginner saja tengah belajar nak tanya lu tahu apa itu fake action atau real action kah. lao tze ada bawak orang pergi holland ke? kenapa lu punya hati selalu tak boleh kasi senang, ego itu api. jangan ingat sendiri satu orang yang betul saja. dulu aku pun banyak fikir salah, ego sombong itu penyakit.

LaoTze make an important contribution today, most of us are not aware:
1) BB can see what retailers is doing. They well aware of your buying or selling. These are operator behind the scene, not about retailers vs retailers, supply demand stories. Retailers DON'T know but they think they know, that's dangerous.
2) IFCA stages now is different, from the stages when at 1.38 bounce back to 1.57. IFCA has broken support level is moving downtrend. At this stage it the move could be drastic.

Correct me if I am wrong.

... lagi manyak red ants gigit lagi cepat turun. Jerung pun pandai punya orang, bukan senang mahu jadi alibaba. Dragon ini bukan pasal ada system tak ada system punya hal. You naik KLCC you boleh nampak satu KL mah. Sifu cakap betul, betul betul kenal "apa itu kemuncak tertinggi", you sudah tangkap dia punya rahsia haluanya. Boleh ada puncak lagi ke? Sekarang lebih punya cakap itu wave ke impulse ke cuma kelirukan saja.

@MrOTB should I top up to average down? Any views on whether support at 0.230 or drop further?
OTB Answer : I am not god, I cannot predict market. I am happy to buy at 0.23.
We bought at 0.19 (1st batch) sell at 0.245. Buy back at 0.255 (2nd batch) sell at 0.30. Buy at 0.23 (3rd batch), I wish to sell at 0.32.
Why I buy at 0.23 ? First reason is support, second reason is margin of safety. I want min 30% margin of safety.
I hope I explain your question.
Thank you.

LaoTze is correct. If many can't read the whole picture of frontkn sure they can't see what is the present stages now "ending"

Aiyo Dragon ... gua pun sudah lupa aku jugak katak di bawah perigi kena hujan lebat kau kau, baru boleh lompat keluar belajar sama guru pendekar wudang dan murid kamikaze bushido warrior. You cakap pun betul jugak itu semut merah banyak banyak boleh gigit mati tewaskan gajah besar. I ingat mungkin tu jerung sekalian tidur banyak nyenyak alibaba masuk rumah kasi terbalik pun tak perasan ... minta ampun ... hahaha

What kind of "read chart correctly" TA guy is this making suggestion to buy frontkn now at 0.230? Buying during downtrend, aiyoyo dragon? Don't know which school he is from? Maybe I myself learn from Longkang Holland School that's why having problem can't understand this smart sifu statement? Frontkn fundamental is OK but that's not the proper justification to buy now. At least you wait the whole correction is completed than only you acan consider buying. With fundamental so good last time 2013 shares price also press down kau kau to 0.06-0.08 but nobody say can buy.

From the eye of an FA guy frontkn now is cheap good buy. As an TA trend trader frontkn now has broken support, moving downtrend, is a no buy. For me, no buy because your capital won't appreciate during downtrend. You can very much cheaper later. Maybe after the correction subsided than can consider buying back, no hurry.

pagi tadi boss cakap front mungkin ada main pull up sikit, gua ingat boss ada masuk, nasib baik tak ada. pagi tadi dapat beli pun 0.255 saja.

Boss sudah lari belum ... itu front sudah tukar direction

Aiyo dragon ... betul betul cakap bukan chim sangat cuma kita sudah biasa ikut muka. Mahu kenal diri baru boleh pandai, manyak penting.

Alam ini bukan hitam puteh saja, hitam boleh jadi putih, putih boleh jadi hitam. Itu hukum alam semulajadi ubah berubah setiap saat setiap masa, never stop. Under the skin there is a heart that never stopped beating, the beats also got stages and waves.
Nature balancing act is always dynamic never sit still. Without change life isn't possible, no opportunities and no money to make. Here lies the secret and miracle, 99% of the people don't give a damn.

mahu cari counter main surfing kena tanya sifu laotze. itu pun surfing surfing punya hal mahu pandai tengok pandai jaga kena hati hati. ada perubahan tak betul kena cabut atau cut loss. kalau ada system support senang cerita sikit. sudah cakap mahu ingat itu jerung bikin waves bukan waves bikin jerung. itu sebab tengok chart punya orang selalu terbalik masuk longkang, gua dulu pun sama mah. main surfing pun pandai agak berapa boleh naik, rezeki tak berbaloi jangan tangan gatal.
Tunggu tu ilmu, jesse livermore selalu cakap tapi tunggu apa banyak tak paham. Selau emosi yang main kita padahal itu emosi pun sendiri bikin bukan datang dari pihak luar.

aiyo dragon ... no good wave to surf tengok wayang pukul nyamuk masa pun boleh mah ... hi hi

... DS Boss already gave answer, must follow. No hurry to buy. Earlier sifu said KPSCB will pull back and collect. Chart shows correction in process, Kiam Siap play very steady mah.

.... what LaoTze mean got a bit last pull wayang for frontkn before going south. Minutes Chart with indicators will tell better. Caveat emptor, buyers need to be vigilant with the changes and act accordingly.

Aiya ... Dragon jangan bimbang atau susah. Tausah pening kepala. Itu jerung main pun taklah ikut wave punya mah. Cuma kita pakai wave sebagai alat ukur timbang....Jerung ikut rentak jual beli trader. Quota jerung belum cukup dia orang main turun naik manyak kali, kasi orang ingat masih ada chan. Quota dah cukup bukan main turun, suka suka main terjun air dua tiga hari. Lepas tu manyak trader ikut sekali terjun, belakang dia kutip kau kau... Itu sebab Lao Tze cakap untung rugi bukan sebab counter, jual beli kena tept masa ... haha

Aiyoyo ... angin taklak kuat, mana ada ombak besar. Mahu pandai tunggu angin mari, jangan mudah naik angin saja. Tu sebab ada 1,2,3,4,5 and sub sub 1,2,3,4,5 mah

Doremifaso no music, very mafan. Ask LaoTze is easier, but sometimes want to make money and don't want to get caught boh bien loh ... aiyoyo DS

No straight line ma. Go through the stages and steps. UP down Up Down.
I learn from all the confusion, got to be very patient.
Elliott not so simple to understand, not easy to get it correct. During uptrend you have 1,3,5 up waves follow by 2,4 down corrective wave. After 1,2,3,4,5 completed you get Wave I and after wave a,b,c complete you get Wave II. Within all this wave 1,2,3,4,5 you get further sub waves i, ii, iii, iv, v ....... boleh pengsan doremi faso

Here is a link if you are serious to understand about it.
http://www.investopedia.com/university/advancedwave/elliottwave3.asp

I prefer to keep it simple after all the complication and complexity, I believe you also the same. Here is a quote from:

Walter Schloss (student of Ben Graham) guideline:

Keeping things simple and keeping stress away while investing is two of the several big lessons that Schloss has to teach us investors. When it comes to analyzing stocks/businesses, a lot of people get stressed trying to perfect their analyses, and thus work extremely hard to seek a lot of information, most of which is useless.
But as Schloss’ life and experience teaches, unless complexity can improve the explanation of something, it is better to proceed toward simpler theories.

If those sifus say wave A that means rebound wave B should be coming(according to elliot wave theory), than must buy??? Remember all this wave A is mere speculation, not true. Looking at the whole picture is most important. Too many opinions = no answer = confusion. Don't fall such misdirection trick. Good Luck.

IFCA 1st drop from 1.87-1.31 (wave a - impulse down wave), rebound from 1.31 to 1.57 (wave b - corrective wave, short term bounce where sifu enter at 1.42 and sell at 1.56). From 1.57-1.20 is wave c.
If follow blindly, after wave c will be follow by "rebound" wave 1,2,3,4,5. Not so simple DS
Look at the whole picture this is important. Overall IFCA trend is moving downward, the momentum is building not decreasing. abc waves not important, most important you know the underlying trend and intention. Macd indicator is shall be a good painter.

Aiyoo DS wa also like you ma, learning stage always see chart masuk longkang, terbalik tengok. Now improve a bit thanks to sifu guidance. Learning stage kena manyak rajin no free lunch.

DS cannot blindly follow waves. What nomanland said is the down cycle (rebound) wave based on elliott wave theory (Uptrend: 5 waves sequence and Downtrend: 3 correction).
LaoTze did said when the margin of safety or the term and condition is incorrect, don't enter. Understand the BB intention now is to lure more buyers to dispose. IFCA looks like another short rebound but it is risky, signal indicator is down now. LaoTze is correct.

There is a lot misunderstanding, blame and curse on a given counter, especially those counter which has rallied for some time and suddenly reversing catching retailers by surprise. Basically there is no good or bad counter. Is a matter of different approach and perspective.

1) If the choice is to extract value from well managed fundamental counter by buying below market price for future investment this shouldn't be a problem because buying into the company health is first and foremost here. We don't see this kind of serious investor in the forum. Warren Buffet as a long term investor will always buy at the "opportune" time, as a fundamentalist where he apply margin safety by buying cheap, below the company worth.

2) Blaming everybody except ourselves, the counter becomes our target of emotional venting. Failure to understand why a shares price rise and fall, the stock operator intention behind the scene, the whole market direction. By digging into a counter fundamental to judge its shares price isn't the correct approach. We have lost direction, simply self delusion. I believe most are TRADER looking for short to mid term opportunity. As a trader you need to apply sound Technical Analysis and the caveat emptor approach, not blame or curse. If you have to do it, look at yourself in the mirror.

3) Finally there is no good or bad counter. Only buying and selling at the right time. Do you know what is the right time? The circuit will never be complete without you, the clicker.

Well Done, Sifu LS

Terima kasih Tuan Lao Tze, I tabik pati rahsia you. Benarkan saya melanjut sambungkan puisi tersebut:

naik turun perkara biasa
tak kira bagus macam mana kaunter
jual beli kena tepat masa
untung rugi bukan pasal kaunter

pandang kaunter hati bergelora
yang gerti tahu arus gosip berita
semua gitu bukan sebenarnya
naik turun ada maksud di sebaliknya

buta diri dibutakan gerak kaunter
tikai diri mananya ilmu membaca
cahaya ilmu harta kurnian segalanya
nampak udang disebalik batu soalan

rajin bertanya diri rajin berjumpa
ikut mata jangan ditipu otak pikiran
kenal diri kenal kaunter pembela
hati bersyukur rezeki bertimbun

It will be good if we don't rationalize too much. We always become the product of interpretation. Just offer ourselves some silence within.

The greatest enemy of individual freedom is the individual himself.
Quote from Saul Alinsky: In almost every case, nothing is stopping you, nothing is holding you back but your own thoughts about yourself and about "how life is."
Wish you well.

2 rights (0.10 subscribtion price) : 4 existing shares. The correct calculation should be for instance:
before ex date shares price is 0.09 (4 X 0.09 + 2 X 0.10)/6 = 0.093
before ex date shares price is 0.10 (4 X 0.10 + 2 X 0.10)/6 = 0.100

Hi! Ticker, my comment is that the trend is almost around the corner. I know it has been a long waiting period who is still hold on to this stock. Nextnat or Nextgram who involved in proprietary platform (telco), property soho concept like Protasco Kajang property, telco infra support (RA). The hands & legs are everywhere acquiring stakes & becoming the substantial shareholders in these listed company. I am being more objective these day rather than affected by too much subjectiveness (biased). Good Luck Comrades Here

Sharks purposely do it to mark down and collect back

why always doubt & scary about no good news? company going bankrupt or in bad debt or litigation? by the time you hear good news i am sure it will not be cheap, right! friday announcement is a corporate development, good or bad subject to how you look at it, to me not bad.

as regard to TP i am very reluctant to offer any advise because it could blind us from seeing the reality and the market subject to change factor, of course i hope members profit from this stock.

See whether tomorrow 27/05 morning opening is the ex right price, if not monday will be the last day for the support price (5 average calculation).

yup skyland that's right. nobody will believe this is a rewarding counter, a lot carry with them the negative outlook as if they are the company director running the company. with major diversification in the future undertaking is scaring all investor away. this day i am too lazy to reveal more.

bro diamond, nothing I can do with another's comment, I am still holding tight and I understand the frustration those who keep this stock when most of the stock counter start rallying except this stock. it gives you a feeling of hopelessness and patience is running out

sre292, I think during OR trading the price will be supported to make the rights issue subscibtion attractive. After the rights are fully subscribe and listed it may fall, how much the fall yet to be seen.

it is possible to hit 0.235 - 0.240, i can only advise you to average at 0.200, 0.205 and of course if you can get it 0.195. dead line before ex right 24 May, the risk is yours, i only advise.

go for better counter and "invest patiently", you can easy get burn if you have no skill with speculative counter.

you keep asking but never reveal, now you ask how? a bit late already.
if you tell earlier I will ask you to average at 0.19 and double the volume. this will make escape very easy, when they rebound back again.

what is your average price, shareholder?

I think you better check with your remisier for the details.
On the 31 May you will know what is OR for you to trade, last day to trade on 06 June

shareholder the steps are like this, after ex date if you are still holding asuprem shares, on the 31 May - Asuprem OR will be credited to your trust account. You can choose to sell the OR or exercise it.

Asuprem WA is different from Asuprem shares.
Only Asuprem shares are entitle to the rights shares.

You must understand Warrant is not a share yet, only a right to convert to the real share. But when you choose to exercise the WA (for example you are holding 1 warrant @0.05, you pay the exercise price 0.20 to convert it, you cost is 0.20+0.05)

shareholder read the announcement carefully, you misinterpret it.
1 asuprem share you hold entitle to subscribe to 1 rights shares
5 rights shares you subcribe, you are entitle for 3 bonus warrant.

If asuprem is giving bonus shares, yes to your above answer (will go 0.10++)
But this is rights issue you pay money for it to subscribe, roughly the price will be the same. Hard to say how far the shark choose to play the shares price, i guess upside is limited

Possible to go lower tomorrow. Anyway they have to support the price for the Ex rights price.

padini no harm still got leg to go slowly, but have to hold.

good luck yahoo80, a lot of counter the price has over stretch, so be careful

My Advice take profit, collect back lower