... fatcat just calm down, everbody just calm down from attacking. i understand we human making mistakes, misunderstood and misquoted with such a short span of statement, taking reactively. throw a few reactive remark i can accept it. simply just let things be, just let people be, people did have their stand point and believe. fatcat you already state yours, i undestand the format you prefer, just have some peace.

... i left out something, i love the way you put it, picture become clearer in comparison. may i add, the choice is you chase after it, maybe because you are afraid to miss out ... or ... the choice of patiently waiting, let it come to you. interesting choice or dilemma.

... nextnat i already make it 2 round, no regret and resist to fantasize about it. as for P counter, people don't see or choose not to see what you have seen. i did pre cautious people about digista to dispose off when they move up in another site which i have confirmed outcome. people is just people, see what they it to see. it is not wrong either with their belief or seeing, it just that things "change", we have evolve to prevail isn't it fatcat.
i profitted from this P counter, knowing quite well the outcome, quick in quick out. the ceo said they have this gigantic powerful memory storage, getting someone to pump in more fund to save it. that "someone" is questionable, they have an agenda, very very risky now. always the method to lure you in is to push up, where they will dispose to you and will fake most of the buying volume bid by bid. most bursa counter that moves up follow the same method don't you agree fatcat.

... fatcat just let follower of patimas be, you already put forth your point of concern. the choice is their's, good or bad we have to bear. my 2 sen.

... good morning fatcat, well said, they have all the time and money chasing you from all direction. teach me more rules sifu, so i can graps better. appreciative

... i will join "lim teh" let me know in advance, the meeting of minds.

... fatcat, bigfish, skyland you all big timer bravo, bought in loads. my "sailang" can't equal as my capital have limitation. i suggest you follow bro fatcat method of investment, percentage of suffering will be very low. take his advise as a starting point, you won't regret it. ... bigfish research is done isn't with one go, bit bit you get the picture. try with one favourite counter slowly & thoroughly, get into the habit of knowing deeper about it, everything about it, put yourself in their shoe & reflect how are going to run their business. later you can easily "grasp" other counter with speed. as the "wind blows the grass moving" you will know what is the next move. just for sharing here, you did quite well pasukgb moving time.

... yeah fatcat, people just don't agree with this nextnat counter, is alright, come on you & i are just reckless newbie here, spreading misleading statement to others. we don't even know how to read financial fundamental,we are conflicting ourselve each we talk. soley relying on insider big boy info, our folly cause us to lose our fortune we deserved it. well just let us deserve it. sometimes i wonder why people can't just leave us alone and let us just be.
... fatcat your "sincere" intention, cautioning, explaining things is going to do more damage than healing the situation. i think we stop giving comment in i3 forum, folks better consult somebody else who read better fundamental, my maths fail because 1+1=11, just don't ask me. let it be, let us be, let me be, i let you be.

... of course, will sell and buy back at right time. i already park my fortune here, will increase my holding once i sold off other counter. not everybody can come out with such a statement and safety rules about the working of the market like you do, people just tap on the surface can't get deeper, wonder why they lose money. your access to the info is a great priviledge, appreciative to be affiliated with you fatcat. thank you

... fatcat keep good stuff to yourself, not everybody will appreciate, you don't have proof to anyone, you don't owe them a living. it just people & people affinity "yun fun", don't let them play you, we take control.

... "dead chicken kicking the rice bowl cover", fatcat nothing i can add, just let it be, i think you know what i mean.

... totally agree with fatcat your words is my words, we are comrade tungzhi. i see nothing "organic" in the share market still need without the "force" who make money and loss money. cabaleros just let us be with this counter of our choice, it won't affect you a single bit.

... nextnat forum really charge up, fully charge now. i wish power charge will migrate to nextnat move all the way up on monday till friday. cabaleros if you take patimas fundamental, why not nextnat which is many times better, strange to me.

... sorry habis bullet with useless counter, ivory potential is there. skyland don't take so serious with cabaleros. tonight i fly to indo and meet up with PT Inovisi to take over nextnat at 30 sen, agree

... yeah fatcat indonesian giant 1.5B cap 100X nextnat, O&G, Energy & Telco infra, indonesia economy is going wild, you better believe it, see our big boy institution keep moving in, our plantation is there too, airasia too. look at oriental cash pile buying plantation land like nobody business. indonesia economic is not an accident, population potential? or population disaster?, you name it.

... haha skyland battle betting, you are sure to profit from this counter. realistically nextnat needs to break through certain resistance to move high up as fatcat thoroughly point out to tuahuat. cabaleros may have left out nextnat potential, just let it be. we make ours. i believe newcomer also badly misunderstood fatcat, fatcat is not that reckless parking his fortune to this counter without doing real time homework "big boy". take easy folks is holiday, maybe the battle is to energise everybody for all boredom, get stuck with i3 forum haha

... bravo cabaleros, that's the way putting your own perspective,i like it. if i misquoted & misunderstood by picking selectively, i say sorry here. that's why further question and dialogue is a must clear things up, not muted and judging another's view that doesn't conform with us. there is no oneway street but both and there is no other way to communicate better. by allowing different angle of looking at thing, we grow. "nobody is right because things change, the odds is always there to go against you". i believe in wide panoramic coverage, of which we can easily missed, left out and blinded. no members should have enmity against each other, is just human making mistakes. we are here to grow and to make a living. all are contributing here.
... totally agree with you on diluted earnings but loss focus as you see it, no. as i said earlier, if you need your own network service platform to expand further as well as catering for PT Inovisi 3 years contract the choice is either rent from others or buy up. that is why also i said "now they knew they really want", so owning it is not a bad idea that goes along with property. yes the risk is there and it is normal for most of us to see the risk before potential. for example patimas you see the potential in gaining, so you took a bet and profitted. big boy is pushing it up to lure us in "buy now tp 50 sen" so that they can dispose to you high. when it is a risk and when it is a potential gain entire depend on your experience and skill, i am still learning here.
... nextnat is a choice i pick, never regretted though the long waiting, i am buying the potential, not being nostalgic with it. "inevitable" technical play up is there as fatcat point out, taking profit at right time and re-enter later. read about macrokios of goldis you will understand better the potential nextnat already tap into or can tap further. by all mean nextnat is not partnering with any tom dick & harry,it is an indonesian giant. this nextnat is a tough guy, diehard since 2005. thank you cabaleros

... fatcat received your email reply, you point out again what i miss, thank you, i learned.

... my choice to take the bull by the horn full time, my earlier business generate sufficient income. never ever cross my mind for such a big amount, the market is too fake for me, people become not themselve. quality of life is more important and rewarding. try my best to gain more capital above few M to start up some healthy, ethical, holistic enjoying win win business.
... if people can contribute better, most welcome so i can talk less and enjoy the fruits ha ha. congratulation you are jobless because "smart money" works for you, not working for the "dumb money". so you are a fantastic jobless rich guy, undoubtedly you are trader investor that you earned it through thick and thin through the years, tough guy prevail and you deserve it. bravo

... age don't matter, the sifu remember more full of skill & experience which can never ever be bought with money, their words shock and strike to the core. me newbie is careless and forgetful lot. if you have to know, born 1970, 43 years and time is flying, gone through a lot of bad time, time told me it is a blessing in disguise. invest a lot in self development, trying my best to move mountain of own weakness, sometimes try too hard and stress out. i sound mature maybe because of the ability to explain things in a wider context. appreciative to have you here fatcat.
... wow wow fatcat you really are activated this round, you almost fill the pages. full of energy, very confident. bravo salute

... fatcat, my brother calm down, just saw your email, another awakening safety rule, make alot of sense, i thank you again here.
... as regard to cabaleros & fatcat, both of you are using different method, speaking different language. cabaleros as day trader and fatcat as investor. "C" self belief serve him well to gain from patimas 35% in less than 6 months but the advise and wisdom of reading and learning from the financial statement and investor relation is bit conflicting to me. since he uses patimas as example which already in financial deep shit, making losses most of the time. investing in this counter is a no no but tapping into big boy technical play and surf the day to profit is OK, at your own risk.
... i find his manner strange when he, cabaleros simply comes in and say you will lose more with the volume i held, reason unprovided. maybe the earlier comment of timing nextnat push up before CNY causes uneasiness to others. as i said earlier timing at best guesswork until materialize.
... fatcat for definite you are completely right we should comment on the counter, when members take it personal and see it the other way, bashing get going. fatcat i can understand you and fully support your cause. you are already a very good investor, serve you very well in the long run.
... the whole problem with forummers (me included) comment boil down to this: "belief" we hold, "perspective" we see, "ego" we pride, but please members here don't just simply blurt out, take things personal and serious. please provide your perspective why, reasoning.

extracted from somewhere over the rainbow way up high haha:
...that there is something 'wrong' with everything.

No matter what you are looking at, you can
find something wrong with it, something imperfect,
something that is not okay with you. Don't worry,
if you look hard enough you'll find it.

There is also something 'right' with everything.
No matter what you are looking at,
you can find something right with it,
something perfect.

There remains, then, only one question:
What are you going to look at? What are you
choosing to notice? What is your perspective?

"Have a Nice Holiday to All Members Here" making a living, believing, proofing themselves

... a BIG thank you to you for the support and all the advise, i have just email to you, anything in depth i will email to you, certain thing simply cannot be share here due to expectation. when you keep reading the same message again and again you will remember, permanently stuck on you, and become you, that's what a sifu mentor are for imparting their life time experience knowledge to you. thanks again i have faith with this counter, the volume i bought speaks.

... cabaleros, any reason to back it up

... yeah, if you extra capital for other counter, can't afford to play contra and keep making losses. worth the waiting. with 1M shares if it hit 20 sen i will recover 60% of my previous losses. touchwood it will make it.
... this is a life time opportunity for me facing the market, the deceptive culture, my own self. with so many challenge and the revisiting of my own fear, doubts, hesistation, indecisiveness, greed & folly. bombarded with lots of self analysis with losses and gain.

... fatcat got lots of energy to talk today, bought holland CAP counter today to test. nextnat very little movement ending this week, if klci index keep dropping plus jitter, scaring away retailers will drag on longer. the fastest rights issue takes 4 month from now.

... human disease, forgetful. just a metaphor here; you already in heaven, going through hell in order to experience what heaven is like. "failure" you are not alone, sama sama, i was before comrade.

... even without insider info if you are "familiar & experienced" with high volume speculative counter, you will exercise cautious. those bought earlier at 0.03 after PN17 announcement laugh all the way when bursa give chance.
... still the "key" how to read it. this counter too tricky and dangerous to go in. profitted 500 buck, damn missed collecting pasukgb at 0.24 to average down from 0.27, if not make few K profit. sometimes talk is cheap, lesson from the hard way speaks the loudest.

... i think pasukgb shares is with someone else, now all the shares they collect back, keep buying higher to pay "them" back. bought some as contra play, see how monday they want it to be.

... myself already hell bound how to save people. scomi, maybe big boy dispose & collect lower for what ever reason GE13. took a bet in CAP

... media announcement for big boy disposal. you must have good skill, focus and cut loss to play these counter, just don't be greedy

... quick in quik out for patimas today. will cautious. thks fatcat

... rose, frankly i am just newbie for full time intensive 10 months. plenty of veteran sifu in i3investor, even fatcat is better than i do, because i am still making losses. if you don't follow up on those bits & pieces of broken dialogue in this nextnat forum.
... again you fatcat play itchy taichi, very efficient ha ha.

... thankful for these sifu who gone through, that's the reality. is good to have people with different opinion to serve as coverage extra eye extra brain. sometimes we alone can't see or blinded. remember that day suggestion on knm, my mind is the other way. it tells me it needs to violate 0.475 before rebound up. skpetrol, takaso, scomi i agree with you.

... people just don't understand how big boy game in making money, they push up kau kau and then down lower lower and stay stagnant for long time. those tak boleh tahan have to sell back to them. i too learned the lesson in a hard painful way.

... sama sama, neither am i perfect here, just exercising some unspoken manners here.

... fatcat, it is just human nature being reactive. i have faith in your sincere contribution, and fore warning reference. in the midst of "waiting" just borak borak lah. bigfish have wait for the resistance to be cleared.

... is OK stonekiller, every members can comment, open forum free for everyone, that's what a forum is created for. richman, yes property but need a platform server, rather than rent from others.

... bingo! uncle already identify WA entry, yes stay tune

... i am fine fatcat, holding tight. just blah blah. not everybody know how to detect and read big boy. as what you said about takaso, scomi, skpetrol the sign is all there, you have the advantage. thank you

... fatcat this round is tricky, timing. of course without big boy support sure dive. lucky members hold tight, if play to their sequence mampus, sure become "belacan" ha ha. "cuci baju" stage not yet complete.

... fatcat big boy step???

... free WA not so soon 6 months time, cheap but not dirt cheap.

... 1997 is big difference, it is indeed very painful losing big time hard earned money. if can afford start over with 100K by not rushing, identify "potential" counter, learn to "read", technically skillfully. you will regain your confidence and plenty of opportunities to recover. during my intensive 10 months watching, i missed at least 5 counter which produce 100% to 300% above return. jesse livermore ... all the waiting, waiting to buy the right price.
yes, 15 months ago nextnat is 0.045/0.05 range, now they restructure, dispose off non-revenue generating subsidiaries, secured contract with PT Inovisi for 3 years, sold some property. Now "they knew what they really want", creating their very own platform to serve. if you read thestar26/01 about macro kiosk bhd of which goldis is the major shareholder 70%, you will know the potential nextnat can tap into. the Goh brothers of macro kiosk is doing very well and discussing to buy back the company. such a powerful earning platform, that's how i read and see it. i personally consider cheap at the moment 0.095, rights issue later is 0.11 plus free WA. i have gone through drastic self revamp to produce result, losses is a good teacher but haunting past losses in head & heart will prevent you from executing at the right time, i must be psychological well prepared, one step ahead.
hope you get right this year 2013, unquestioned "habit" is what produce us, break it before he break you.

... wau bigfish already observe nextnat since 2005 IPO, last time 0.78 now cheap cheap 0.095. if we can "read", long or short term you name it. got to thank fatcat for invoking the "timing" question.

... welcome, dumb123. buy & sell not so simple. every up & down have hidden reason. the ability and skill in "reading" their motive increase your panoramic sight coverage. one step ahead can save us from loses, right entry time, time saving, cost effectiveness. i am still learning sharing and by no means trying to be an expert. question keeps me growing, just taking convenient answers will take things for granted. the market fill with these people & the media machine knew our weakness and manipulate us.

... bigfish, dumb123, rights issue push still along way 5/6 months. my dialogue with fatcat is more about tactical push up very soon. push up also pose another dilemma, maybe for big boy to dispose, have to observe together with WA than things will be clear. will the push up price sustain is another question. this round of is crucial to me, whether any serious intention to raise their value. let's see and sincerely everyone make something out of it.

... info is good, whatever it is exercise caution and don't be too greedy. entry price for both counter is ripe & right. Ha ha fatcat you spread wild fire here, jaga jaga kena tembak

... too many holiday, no money to make, so stuck to i3 lah tonylim hehe. next week everybody happy cny.

... after all we are just human making mistake. just cracking some logical jokes for everyone. nextnation sidenation backnation will be justify, hope everyone make some out of it. thanks again feimau

... aiyahyah feimau, i kena flag abuse maybe because using inappropriate metaphor "rombak curi" or "misleading comment". i wonder if i mislead, what a wonderful world here with some "generous" fellow. "why not they" contribute better info evidence proof and i start listening & stop talking waiting to be spoon feeded. it so so easy to point at another mistake and become judgemental, all the while forgotten the "value & merit" in forum dialog. the spirit of communicating by having dialog, is not to punish or hulling abusive hurting curses at others, the ego always getting into the way, want to win and get emotionally personal. learning "how" (different format) to "read"(experience) through underlying comments, messages & market is by no mean easy, time will reveal & justify. sorry i am just a beginner learning to be more skillful in the quest for cari makan.