IBs are winning the game liow

I will wait for QR then decide whether to buy or stay away.

I don't want to put anger or pain to anyone but it seems my earlier hypothesis is happening. It will be a long way heading south in Feb month especially with CA maturity.
I only stay at sideline at at this moment.
Just hang on for those who can hold on.

I think CQ & CR issuer collected cash and didn't hedge on mother.
That why mother drop.

CW contra player already see no road.
Wise to cut loss now.
Take this as a good lesson.

Tmr no more new CW listing

Tmr another 2 CW will be listing. Its issued by maybank.
IB is taking advantage of the current situation.

IB mana buat kamikaze?

Anyone know what are the collateral for the loans grant by ambank & maybank?

I believe Kxxxxxa is spying in HRC forum.
I better don't write too much nanti takut kena saman..

Low Inventory alert: HENGYUAN-CM
Author: NagaWarrants | Publish date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018, 09:50 AM

Low inventory for HENGYUAN-CM.
Please take note & kindly consider the new HENGYUAN-CP (Strike RM18.88) instead.

@Shirley,
We can't stop them after all advise they still want to speculate.
I hope those small fish know what they are doing.

Wah!! CP market maker very greedy loh.. Queue sendiri @0.30 to attract small fish swim in and sell high to small fish..

Tdy new CW-CP listing by Kenanga.
The CP fund collected maybe use to press down mother price during cw-cd expiry or they may have surrender their fight and move on.
But I doubt they will surrender without a fight.

Infantry unit semua lari lintang pukang

Return of the Jedi(Retailer) already over..
Empire(IB) strike back about to start.

@satan, only if retailer are united.
However most retailer are selfish in reality.

@oldeagle
CW issuer only hedged those fund collected from their CW together with some of contingency fund for their CW.
Subsequently sales transaction is between retailer to retailer.
I believe Friday "initial" sell down was from those pressured issuers and they bought back at a higher price during market end. Hence, retailer won and everyone is happy with this short gain.

CIMB may stop buying from today onward as their CW fully hedged while the those CW issuers with running out of time are under pressure to push down the price to minimize their losses.
those issuers may attempt again to push down the price using other reason and tricks. This price maintenance only be end when the CW reach its maturity.

Question:
1. Do retailers have the sufficient capital(cash) to eat all IB ticket and pushing IB to buy back at a higher price?
2. Can retailers hold on the mother share till CW maturity?
3. Will there be another CW launch in this 30 days subject to who is the issuer?

If the general answer is no then the price will head south till CW mature.
It will be a painful for most retailers to see the price sliding down day by day.

Pls note the above is just my assumption/opinion and not an advise for trading/investing.


>>Still catch no ball, can give 1 or 2 examples ?? Then may be easier to understand and see clearer.

@oldeagle, i will reply you tmr. Gd night

@oldeagle, do you think CIMB will buy any more after they have fully hedge their fund?
Will RHB n other cw issuer will sit diam2 n payout the cw at the maturity?

CIMB is the issuer of CW-CO. The money collected from the co sales will be put in to mother share for hedging purpose.
The more co sales will result in more buying of mother share. Hence mother share goes up and broke the sell down cycle.
I believe co was fully subscribed by looking the trxn vol.

Tmr Mr Market invite everyone to watch 2 classic movies star wars
1. Return of the Jedi(Retailer)
2. Empire(IB) strike back
Grab your sit, it will be an exciting classic replay in KLSE
Those without ticket will no be allow to watch.

Always think how much you will lose if the premium is at zero with the current mother price. This is the cw risk your are investing.

For those intent to invest in cw n dont know how cw works, pls google on how cw works and what issuer do with the fund collected from cw.
You can use the cw info in klsescreener n calculate it in ms excel to simulate the risk n pricing.
I wish you all the best.

@satan, IMO LFM=IB cw hedge fund, FFM nobody know till annual report is out. If you are the FFM will you buy at this price? Don't forget FFM is not a speculator else I rest my case.

@satan, if you calculate back RHB hedge fund is huge with the price increase from 7 to 17+ and sell down and buyback at lower price. I guess they may hold as much as 10mil share. Don't forget MACQ n Kenanga may also involve in the sell down. Retailer is still at the disadvantaged as we don't know what is IB nx move.

I only can say CiMB break the sell down cycle with new CW-CO. They hedge their fund collected from CW-CO. The uptrend only can continue if retailer are united n continue to buy but capital must be more than IB hedging fund. It will be short gain and long pain till end of February.

If RHB sold in the early morning they would have bought back at the last hour. It is part of their hedging otherwise they won't be able to control the cw payout. Pls note that they might lose on Friday but they will be back before the maturity.

CIMB may no longer need to buy mother for CO hedging.
Monday will see gun battle between retailer and CW issuer.

I guess CW-CO is fully subscribed.

This round IB-RHB got hit kow2. Thanks to CIMB. Hope it will last till session end

I see a lot ppl in euphoria and may forgotten the worry n fear in the past 4 days. I have to says pandai2 lah.
The box office will start this afternoon or latest by nx monday but I will be avoid it. I salute to all brave HRC front line soldiers.

Sea looks calm but tsunami is building up.

No wonder price goes up. New offer cw-cn is avail. Probably short gain n long term pain

@ragstoriches, everyone will welcome you to be at the front line soldier.
Please lead the way.

@stockrider sifu, how cw issuer do their hedging when mother price above the exercise value? Your valuable knowledge is needed.

Newbies are advise to take a serious assesment before jump onboard. Pls manage your money/investment wisely.

Looks more like big leg kena margin call.

@stockrider sifu, do you have any info whether the mgmt pledge HRC share with local bank or IB?

There could be a small rebound between Apr-May but it is too far to forecast for now.

Stay away till cw-ca,cb,cc&cd mature.
This IB work together in price maintenance. Pls put yourself in IB shoe. What would IB do?
I don't think they will let it rebound in short term unless there is a group of white Knight come in.

Super investor likely has collected back his capital and remaining is his unsold profit.

Tmr another batch of T3 lah. The selling cycle will repeat again.
I solute to all brave infantry soldier who bought tdy.

I have downgrade my target price to 10 instead of 11.48. HRC will be fall behind Petron very soon.

I only can wish all the best to the new joiner to HRC infantry unit.

I think CW-CA by RHB will breakeven if HRC price around RM9.50 at maturity.
It will be a long way down if RHB is in control.

Ahya those sellers are T3 holder lah.

All volunteers to infantry unit are welcome..

Situation is worse than I expected. Sweet dream may end as a nightmare for many holders. Price is heading South pole for sure.

Today IB will add pressure to those at T2 T3. At this moment nobody dare to collect in a big vol,
hence price may continue go down

Good sharing.