maybe, if v can whack the intruders so bad that they will tell the truth in exchange of cease fire, v may know the person behind. sulus r human also yeah, they have plenty of weaknesses, too.

for now, fear r everywhere in the area, this is the time polis MUST demonstrate their ability in executing law & order, they should be seen at all busy area (don't sit in the office no more), small teams of tactical team r ready to fight street battle (worst case scenario). if they can do this, sabahan will gain confident and will not fear of retaliation, rather it will be sulus that begin to fear.

minitrader, put it this way, revenge or no revenge, sulus (and they r not alone!) r taking advantage of m'sia. it's nature fact that the strong will prevail. this is the moment m'sia to demonstrate toughness, incl the ability to tackle so call "revenge".

tommy, they r not as sincere or "plain" as u might thought. with m'sia ic they r entitled everything juz as an ordinary m'sian. they will weigh either being a decent msian, or go back to bushes. u bet they will stay, but they will not be royal - this is one fact m'sia policy maker must understand - don't rise a tiger that will eventually bite back - don't mix religious with policy

the most difficult moment will be sulus turn into small groups ... hope their plan is all up for this expected scenario, working hand-in-hand

market sentiment will be good should the operation is a successful one

latest update said ground troops have fought into k.tanduo. great job!

ohh... talking about sulu island, if they have thought about it at all, it is such a beautiful place for tourism. sipatan just a small dot already world #3 diving spot

however, some of them has chosen to be wild and cruel, ignoring the fact that sabah has provided them $, job, hospitality, water/electric, school etc ... muslim brotherhood? wake up! law & religious cannot mixed

fortunately, all of msia sultans r real. btw, have they say anything lately for the belove country, ppl and troops? bet they love this country XD

bn defer ge13 to the very last moment thought of showing the result of transformation (a.k.a capability of bn gov). this sulu invasion incident has indeed greatly impact their ge13 plan. in order to win back the trust, the gov must now act fast (accurate) and swift (complete, no more half boiled egg).

polis should go back to the street and sweep those giving supports to the insurgent, potentially highly dangerous small armed group.

the operation is targetting insurgent. illegal immigrant is a long standing issue NOT only in sabah but also west m'sia. prog ic is juz one of it - the root cause of all - corruption.

air strike initiated this morning, sulu must surrender or be swipe out all

a precious lesson learnt for sabah (or the whole of m'sia) on foreign illegal migrant, this is one great opportunity to clean up the state ... hope gov will not let go this golden chance!

bssb, nothing that said needs special advisor really, juz work with sme ppl, more facts review. that minister tend to forget who is the civil servant, who has the actual data ... as said, too elegant & rigid, he would rather spent mils for foreigner to tell him what to do.

can b affected, watchout...

76c is not finalized, could be lower, check this out:

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/political-news/232080-khalid-we-may-hammer-down-rm9b-water-offer.html

both who said 900 or 1100 r juz act of big mouth, it's juz not practicle, gov can force but will not get the intend result (as usual). last example: s'pore lately consider having different foreign levy fee for different sector and job grade. like it or not, s'pore gov did the right thing, s'porean being so kiasu but no one complaint on this move, why? think about it.

there r a number of other important points written above, don't juz stuck at 900 or so, enough been said

no objection on that end, already said b4 the impact of not incl f.worker. however, having 1 lum sum for all areas/sectos/jd/workers is a BAD idea, it indeed choke several sectors. now, rather than these policy makers to review & correct their mistake, they in-turn ask ppl to raise application for exemption. again easy for them to just use mouth ... v will c how sme will respond in real world, it will not be like what he tot.

it is not the sme or rakyat who still live in the old days, these policy makers r the one who is so backward, juz look at what they said and do ... sigh.

Posted by iafx > Mar 1, 2013 11:31 AM | Report Abuse X

andychucky28, a kopitiam view here: today v already seen many (if not most) sme (incl tire shops!) having 80%-100% f.workers, if m.wages do not incl f.worker, there is very high chances even more local workers will loose job due to wage gap - if m.wage only applied to local

kcloh, his write-up is rather general, some kopitiam views:

- what is poor and how poor is poor? there is no baseline here but for sure; wages is not the primary cause of poor in m'sia

- "...some 3.2 million workers, mostly in SMEs, earn less than RM700 a month. These people must be helped."

3.2m workers incl f.worker or l.worker? urban or rural area? not clearly define but very important for justification

- rest of points talking about productivity, competitive, moving up the value chain, more training, use automation tools bla bla bla ... all r sound ... but hey, sound is not enough yeah. consider our national o&g firm, best tools, best training, best pay ... everything best - why it still need PSC contract with shell, exxon etc etc? after these many years can v drill by ourselves juz like them?

business come first b4 any bs, business so-so how to fund expensive equipment, tools, training, human resource? many looks good fr outside but internally carries heavy debts, tight cash flow, in-stable orders etc.

so is minimum wage bad? kopitiam said not if:

- don't take short cut, minimum wage should be further break down to area - sector - job grade - worker. example, same cup of milo but price will be different among urban and rural, how can both bear the same wage as their cost structure is not the same? another one is plantation (virtually little to no noise) and furniture (make most noise), why? cost structure & margin r different.

- remove non-sense tax on equipment and tools if really what sme to invest in modern system

- remove non-sense stamp duty, macam-macam lesen here and there, more transparency on sme loan app

- corruption. lots of $ wasted, the si-lembu an example no need to repeat here, but consider if the $ could have been used for production.

many more realistic views r around, easy for idi-jala to say yeah, pls go and WORK in sme for 6 months first. seriously, he is out in terms of ground reality given what he wrote - too general, too theory. as usual, these r ppl sitting in the aircon room but try to talk about difficulty in the real world.

full year still lost, consider coming 3b right issues ... after the dilution how to invest?

Villagers kill armed intruder: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/3/4/nation/12788489&sec=nation

salute the brave villagers, in time of difficulty, they do MORE than politician!!

this forum reviewed those points far earlier than he is.

Will the real Sultan of Sulu please stand up:

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/13/nation/21813677&sec=nation

history of sultans of sulu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sultans_of_Sulu

they have better act asap & act swift b4 other group join in tot of getting a share, greatly complicated the situation then, sigh

what's really piss is this sulu sultan having done such thing, he can still talk freely in manila! what this mean? how about ours ... say something to boost polis moral lah!

if they decided not to talk but act, so can v, right? afterall, leniency been exercised already, if still not take action, it will only provoke even further attempt, even more difficult to talk then.

land? ask the white to return land to red lah ... c what the white will respond (give more sugar?), 1915 agreement ... what a joke!

tommy, in is not enough, they need to be given a mission. notice till now is polis one man show, they r not train to fight rebel tactic, 1 sniper alone can put them at bay

v cannot effort to have sulu troop further spread in the area, to fight 200 men is far easy than fighting small groups of 3 running around with m16 & rpg, obviously, sulus try to monger fear & distract police force. action needs to split among police & armed forces now, strong msg must b sent to sulu - this is not about religious, politic or land anymore! this is protecting our home ... otherwise other groups tot msia an atm machine ... buta lah!

if b.ops true, then the strategy to handle the crisis since day 1 is such a big mistake. police should be employ to maintain law & order on the streets, armed forces to drive invaders out - leverage on the best of both teams!

initially, it was tot that sulu "armed men", sort of like pirate... by now, it should be very clear that these r no ordinary ppl, they r rebel who fought phlippine+U.S special arm forces

yet, our strategy seems still trying to ARREST them ... omg

tommy, while they bury their death, the same time killed five brave msian, attempted to hijack 80 villagers as human shield, and possibly 4 policemen were kidnapped (pending confirmation).

if action still be carried out alone by police only, not sure juz how to end this? it is really time to joint force now! ini susaputin punya leadership ... aiyoyo..

andychucky, good point there! while it's so easy to bully, let's c what can he really do in real situation

ram cheong, totally agree!! no more politic drama needed, all efforts should be used to drive invaders out, and this has to be done in such a way that set an example so no other group would undermine msia again. if not today sulu, tomorrow?

msia is not atm machine!

"They do not wish to see their citizens involved in aggression, violence, use of weapons and killing of our people," he told reporters after opening the main campus of Universiti Malaysia Perlis (UniMAP) in Pauh, near here, today.

bodoh! the sulu sultan currently live in Manila, if there is law in philippine, this person should be arrested already. yet this person is free to talk openly, direct sulu armed personals not to surrender and fight; all under the nose of philippine gov

obviously, m'sia has wasted all intelligent agency efforts into politics, to the point until total blindness to the current incident ... given m'sia historical muslim relationship in the area, how a major event like this can go totally undetected ...

hudud? muslim brotherhood? wake up!!

herding effect :)

let's waste no energy on politic craps to focus on the sabah CRISIS

m'sian politics all have very big mouth with no single evidence, little to no contribution during difficult time, during the time of peace, these ppl can bs bs & bs, but now sabah is really at blink of blood shed!

igp informed last night more sulus seems to have come aboard, what the fxxk is navy doing?? tidur ke? don't know how to use radar?

the area of invasion has enlarged so fast, it seems police can no longer contain the situation! leniency has allowed sulus to be more prepared and well spread ... damm!! looks like should the situation gets out of hand, curfew should be imposed with massive troops deploy to east sabah

engaging polis so the matter do not classify as war between country lah

tks to ic prog, the number of foreigners is so huge that actually no one know who is who, and v certainly don't want invaders to earn sympathy ... if leniency can avoid blood shed, v may have to do this first. having say this, gov (whoever) must admit unwanted foreigners r serious threat to m'sia, even in west m'sia! v don't want terrorist to have meeting in kl again!

3 suspicious armed men were spotted in sempoena, possible remoting sulu movement in lahat datu ... these 3 fxxkers must be taken asap, hope to hear good news soon

btw, as bn will not want to elect with this issue hanging around, believe the crisis will end one way or another very soon. bn will turn aggressive to avoid been tagged weak

no news about navy at all, hope that navy has been mobilized to guard the long coast, otherwise suddenly more sulu in fishing boats can come abroad mid night to support fight, this not something polis petrol boat can handle ... buta lah!

good facts, juz very bad communication. 1 point to add: philippine gov would love to c fights between m'sia & sulu ppl; juz as much as m'sia has its own preference on philippine southen fights with muslim rebel

tips, reliable source etc ... watchout for herding effect :)

certain trading system can be manipulated or triggered by such event

good luck!

http://www.sabahkini.net/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/PDRM-Sabah/134102883324375

not tweeter, sorry, bukit aman facebook

moosahidin uses tweeter

no one know how to host a media conference ke?

moohidin also posted something on his tweeter

m'sia is the first that use www social media as OFFICIAL media

but then, they keep telling there is a lot bs on www ...

sigh

this is fr police force tweeter lah

use rastick lah...

hahahahahaaa ... all philipine news

as serious as the event, there is virtually NO report came from local news or gov agency

all sweep under carpet, as usual. aftermath, then make stories everywhere

until ge13 is done, this counter will float up & down. if u checkout its rolling qtrs result, 5 years p/l/bs/cf, this is losing $ company! fortunately, it has something everyone needs (water) and greed for (lands) - but there will be a limit on how much ppl willing to pay

about the sulu thing, another to observe is that philipines update seems to be far faster than ours, notice most of m'sia reportings r copied from philipines source ... sigh?!

war? hahahahahaaa .... judging from how this matter is handle is day one, it can't even qualify "battle"

there's a news saying formal sabah mb suggested paying sulu 200m to settle, c the quality of our politician? so don't bother too much about what they say, the fact is out there everyday instead.

maybe u should do a quick check on khsb rolling 4 qtrs result, best also 5 years p/l reports. undervalue ... hope so

andychucky28, a kopitiam view here: today v already seen many (if not most) sme (incl tire shops!) having 80%-100% f.workers, if m.wages do not incl f.worker, there is very high chances even more local workers will loose job due to wage gap - if m.wage only applied to local

no human being should "entitled" to hudud, all m'sian should REJECT such. there r enough laws to penalise corruptors, the prob is bn gov has failed to execute it. hudud will not bring integrity, pkr only need to truly execute the law in full, incl their own ppl when necessary

logically, no one should be selling as the m&a priced 76c, right?

:)

good question :)