hang pig head to sell dog meat

The most popular pass time in the world?

ks

One whole life time of being misled.....you think it is easy for you to see the truth?

You don't have what it takes.

ks

I am not here to sell you that I am a CPA

I just hate it when people spread fake news.

anyway, I never like people who promise you heaven upon payment of a fee.

ks

No one will make you rich

Only you can do that.

Beware of people who tell you

Buy this, got 30% margin of safety

hang pig head, sell dog meat more likely.

The ultimate truth about the stock market

Risk and reward are inter related.

No risk no reward

You want reward, you have to be prepared to face risk

30% margin of safety my foot.

There will be noises, there will be deviations

But ultimately, they all come back to risk - reward.

The stock market will ultimately reward people who assume risk and later events prove they are right

Identify the risks you have assumed and what future events will reward you.

Some like pork
some like dog meat

But please la

Don't hang pig head to sell dog meat

Analysts are very creative people

Too bad, they are not very good in making you rich.

raid is either lying through his teeth.....he does that all the time

Or he still does not understand the arrangement...I tried my best already in putting into simple language that even a kid can understand.

hahaha


y r°Moi > Apr 9, 2017 05:19 PM | Report Abuse

.

Ekovest do not even have a separate entity JV company..

The worse is , of course, in same breathe tell me about 30% margin of safety...................

Hang pig head to sell dog meat.

the most popular pass time in the world?

https://www.investing.com/indices/ftse-malaysia-ace

Malaysia Ace Index.above.


Everyone claims they are value investors and jump into Malaysia Ace shares, either earlier or in future.


For heaven's sake...you want to trade, go and trade la......


Don't go and claim you are prudent and conservative and risk adverse and also show me all your assets / time are employed in Ace counters.


Value investor , my foot

Hang pig head to sell dog meat.

The point is...all over the world, the bankers have to approve the agreements including the budgets and cashflows of the JV company before the bankers sign on the dotted line.

So, I do not understand what is raider concern about whether it is first party or third party main contractors.

It is standard practise nowadays all over the world. I still remember when I was young and still in the 1980s...........the construction profits of North South Highway are used to support the share price of Plus and UEM.............and that is years ago.

Ekovest do it.........and in fact, without except, every listed company in the world, do it......so , what is all the fake news by raider all about?

The point is...all over the world, the bankers have to approve the agreements including the budgets and cashflows of the JV company before the bankers sign on the dotted line.

So, I do not understand what is raider concern about whether it is first party or third party main contractors.

It is standard practise nowadays all over the world. I still remember when I was young and still in the 1980s...........the construction profits of North South Highway are used to support the share price of Plus and UEM.............and that is years ago.

Ekovest do it.........and in fact, without except, every listed company in the world, do it......so , what is all the fake news by raider all about?

The financing bankers also have to scrutinise all the agreements and cashflows before they signed on financing agreements , which are already in place.

The bankers also want to have their money back and hence the viability of the project.

No guarantees in stock market...but it is wrong to be like raider and go spread fake news.

Skeptics can hope to buy later at same or lower price or not buy at all, no problem.

Of course the construction profits are, in a sense left hand right hand profits..............just like the construction profits of Ekovest from the construction of Duke are left and right hand stuff. In fact , recognizing construction profits during construction seems to be the norm and not the exception in all privatisation exercises, not just in Malaysia, but throughout the world.

On the issue of who do what, Jaks or Chinese party....these issues are spelt out in the shareholder agreements and given to financing bankers .
Jaks will be given the contract for the construction of civil engineering works, 30% .The Chinese party has the contract for the specialized equipment. 70%.

The cash flow projections given to financing bankers have followed the concession as well as the shareholder agreements.

Jaks have already locked in their profits from the construction by sub contracting their portions back to the Chinese. What Jaks have to do now, are merely accounting works, show their face and liasson work with the Vietnam government and a skeleton staff over in Vietnam.


The above are representations made by management of Jaks.

You buy or don't buy don't bother me....Just don't spread fake news.

The above are representations made by management of Jaks.

You buy or don't buy don't bother me....Just don't spread fake news.

Skeptics can hope to buy later at same or lower price or not buy at all, no problem.

Of course the construction profits are, in a sense left hand right hand profits..............just like the construction profits of Ekovest from the construction of Duke are left and right hand stuff. In fact , recognizing construction profits during construction seems to be the norm and not the exception in all privatisation exercises, not just in Malaysia, but throughout the world.


On the issue of who do what, Jaks or Chinese party....these issues are spelt out in the shareholder agreements and given to financing bankers .
Jaks will be given the contract for the construction of civil engineering works, 30% .The Chinese party has the contract for the specialized equipment. 70%.

The cash flow projections given to financing bankers have followed the concession as well as the shareholder agreements.

Jaks have already locked in their profits from the construction by sub contracting their portions back to the Chinese. What Jaks have to do now, are merely accounting works, show their face and liasson work with the Vietnam government and a skeleton staff over in Vietnam.

On the issue of who do what, Jaks or Chinese party....these issues are spelt out in the shareholder agreements and given to financing bankers .
Jaks will be given the contract for the construction of civil engineering works, 30% .The Chinese party has the contract for the specialized equipment. 70%.

The cash flow projections given to financing bankers have followed the concession as well as the shareholder agreements.

Jaks have already locked in their profits from the construction by sub contracting their portions back to the Chinese. What Jaks have to do now, are merely accounting works, show their face and liasson work with the Vietnam government and a skeleton staff over in Vietnam.

Skeptics can hope to buy later at same or lower price or not buy at all, no problem.

Of course the construction profits are, in a sense left hand right hand profits..............just like the construction profits of Ekovest from the construction of Duke are left and right hand stuff. In fact , recognizing construction profits during construction seems to be the norm and not the exception in all privatisation exercises, not just in Malaysia, but throughout the world.

Isn't the world full of people

Hang pig head to sell dog meat

You don't find it funny meh when a self proclaimed conservative, prudent, risk adverse guy spends the bulk of his time/ assets in Ace?

Hang pig head to sell dog meat

Nothing against dog lovers.

There are noises, there are deviations

But, Risk reward relation is always there


Hunting for superior returns in Ace market?

Then don't call yourself conservative, prudent , or risk adverse.. Don't call yourself Value Investor.


Hang pig head to sell dog meat?

You are only deceiving yourself and using the wrong tools.

Margin of safety rules?

Only in your imagination. Its just a handicap to Dynamic Investing.

So is it somehow bad for KYY to buy jaks? and bad to report to KLSE in compliance of the law?

and if he tells you the reasons he bought, is it some how bad?

bottom line...his money, his risk.

You don't find it funny meh when a self proclaimed conservative, prudent, risk adverse guy spends the bulk of his time/ assets in Ace?



y MG9231 > Apr 8, 2017 07:04 PM | Report Abuse

Obviously, you don't understand value investing n growth investing, I suggest you find out yourself before talking.

To value investors, any stock which has value and can let value investors make money Why bother which markets they belong to.. just like a saying a horse can run fastest is the good horse , why bother its pedigree. Why are you restrict yourself from doing the right thing.

Hang pig head to sell dog meat is never good.

eventually will come back to bite you.

mg


tell me...why they have Value Investing and Growth Investing?

Ace is good for prudent, conservative, risk adverse investing?

kc

You write well
I have to give you that.

At one time, I never suspected you are not what you say you are..a dedicated Value Investor, an academician, opposes margin accounts....very prudent, very conservative, risk adverse....you know what I mean...the true Value Investor of an experienced banker .

and now this...................most of your assets /time is spend in Ace Market.

kc

You have a Masters in Finance or PhD , I can't remember.

Didn't they teach you customer relationships and different needs of customers?

My son is doing CFA now, that is a very important section of his studies.

kc


why you go and put customer money in Ace market?

Is it you are too impatient for performance?

Too desperate to show off your skills and magic formulas?

Too desperate to show alpha performance?

Nothing else you can find that customer can relate to? that customer can feel comfortable and agree with?


Why you like that one?

Just being stupid or what?

Don't you realise by definition Ace market has no track record? Not yet ready for prime time in main board....that is not a good ground for Value investing even if it is a good ground for Growth and riskier investing.


No track record to speak of, no assets, things can change at the drop of a hat, customer knows nothing about them and cannot relate to...how do you do Value Investing?

raider

some like pork
some like dog meat

that is fine, ok

But a self proclaimed Value Investor putting client money in Ace is a fraud....or just stupid? You tell me?





d by stockraider > Apr 8, 2017 04:14 PM | Report Abuse

It is not ace mkt...it is the type of share u buy...and the way u allocate ur monies and the degree of skill & knowledge u have and the degree of margin of safety....that determine..the quality of your share investment.

Not whether it is an ACE counter or not loh..??

If people tell...me ace counter cannot invest...as a value investor...raider will say he is real bodoh & naive loh...!!

KC,

some like pork
others like dog meat

that is fine, ok

but hanging pig head to sell dog meat is a fraud.

a gambler pretending to be a value investor is a fraud.

KC deserves to be sacked .....

riad


if that is the attitude, asking to be sacked ....gets what is coming.

for excitement, they will look for a hedge fund manager, a venture capitalist, a trader....not a value investor.

kc

My image of a Value Investor is one who is prudent, conservative, risk averse..A traditional old Banker, you know what I mean.......I am sure most people shares my idea.

Ace market don't fit the bill. Form over substance perhaps, but form very important if you are managing other people money.

so...stupid or fraud that led you to hang pig head to sell dog meat?

There is a difference between own money and managing other people money

I would ( sack ) whoever puts my money in Ace.

kc

Glad you came back....

I was just speculating. I never asked and KYY never told.

Is it true you were sacked because you put his money in Ace market?

ricky

thanks for a fine effort but,

DCF can be used to justify practically any price that needs justifying.

Analysts are a very creative lot....even if they are not very good at making you rich.

klee

One of the stuffs KYY teach me is sailanging.
You think sailang is easy?

to master it takes years.

klee

there are a lot of fishing tips in this thread too.

wisdom money cannot buy.

I mean the stuffs written by me.......

cheoky

you are jumping the gun
jumping to conclusion.

klee

an 85 years old maverick still have stuffs to teach a seasoned 60 years ...that is understood.

I think I have benefited a lot.

you got no time machine.
you don't know yet.
like everyone else, KYY can win only if Jaks delivers.



y stockraider > Apr 8, 2017 01:57 PM | Report Abuse

Conman...KYY is lousy....he don have the financial & technical...great ACE counter loh....!!

Good example is lemon JAKS.....even he buy n buy...pump n pump 30%....still cannot go up loh.....!!

He is desperately looking for soochai to dump loh...!!

klee

there are a lot of fishing tips in this thread too.

wisdom money cannot buy.

that is when emotions over took Charles
sure die.

hang pig head to sell dog meat

KC pretend to be Value Investor, turns around and put client money into Ace Market.

what should be the proper title of this thread?

KC pretend to be Value Investor, turns around and put client money into Ace Market.

fraud or stupid or both?