Dear Friends, it is true very important price goes up. But if price goes down, what are you going to do?
Rule No.1 Dont lose Money
Rule No.2 is FOR YOU: Dont lose anymore money.
Rule 3. IS FOR YOU ALSO: DONT LOSE ALL the MONEY
Rule No.4. IS FOR my dear Nich: Dont lose ALL and go into debt. Better Cut you bird than going into debt.

Stock analyst is Not equivalent to Business Enterpreneur i guess.

5 year figures of Magni tech does not initiate a Buy call to me. Jenny, you be the judge.

Look at Magni Tech by KCchongz. He is making me crazy everyday. But i have to say No. It is like Pintaras in Construction.

Ha, i post some comment on Apr 26 on blog: stock Trade Signal-Intra Day and Short term signal and did not get back to them.

To answer your question is Warren a saint or sinner, probably some of my previous posting will provide some clue to you. It is deep understanding of Business and its perspective.

Congratulating KC for opening class.

Most people just study Warren investment methodology But ignore his belief/mentality/charisma/leadership which are more than the cornerstone of his success. Last but Not least, his winning mentality=" I know I will be rich". I owe somebody this explanation and skip his class.

very religious people over here. They keep praying ya.

The company choice of Cash on Hand/Bond/Right issues reflects company confidence level on its Business Environment and Economy as a whole.

There is little Doubt that Interest is on the rise in time to come. More volatility ahead is true. More opportunity ahead is true as well.

If you want to speculate/gamble then do it properly/professionally with strategy/respecfully and with principle. Then people won't laugh at you or look down at you. Other forumers would respect you and probably learn from you as well.

Nobody thought that Future Discounted Cash Value could be Negative ya? Well this One is better than Market Efficient theory.

My Very Dear Finance Expert: The situation is like this. Company A bought a lot of listed company worth Rm150mil and another Rm150 in cash. So the total worth of investment plus cash on hand is Rm300mil. But market decides to give Only Rm240mil as Market Value which is RM150mil of investment value plus RM90million of which is 40% of Future Discounted Cash Value.

My Dear Friend, let me put it this way. If at any point of time, you think your chance is 50:50 then it is gambling/casino/speculation.

just Look at the Revenue for example for past 10 years. Are they interested in doing Business? It does not look like they are very smart in investment either. What the.......?

Just study the Basic Earning/Revenue of past 10 years. What is your conclusion?

Better value the company based on its core Business competency.

Why not spend more time to study business model and devote more energy to look for good Business first?

Dear Author, after the study, I found that the Shiller PE of 25 is more skewed than absolute PE of 18. Why? Because Absolute PE has moved on but Shiller PE is stuck with High PE of 2007.

If the Right is at least 20% discount and the dilution is 7%, then it is a good deal. Market will make up the difference for you.

Right issue signifies economic significance at this important moment.

I like KC comment on No.13 above.

It signifies economy juncture at this significant moment.

chart wise, beware of RM3.24 neckline.

I definitely wish it will go up to the level that will profit everybody.

Those who speculate down is guilty as those who speculate up. Let people have fun. But dont go over board ya. Lesson will be learnt and when the storm calms down everybody will regain their heart.

Save it for next generation ya..

Come On Dear Nich, because of this counter, you want to cut your Bird??? Save your Bird,cut loss better.

Better dont touch any stocks which has ever been down by more than 30% from its Record High. As we can Only double down One time with Confidence.

You cant possibly recover from this in short period of time and your whole strategy will be affected after this. Your winning streak is ended. You might win 10 times But you cant afford the loss of THIS ONE TIME. The more you want to recoup the losses, the deeper you are into the losses. In most cases, your account will be blown away.

So the loss is more towards psychology impact and shaken confidence. Your confidence level will never be the same again. And you cant trade the same again.

Traders beware that if you want to be one please be a professional One then.

Accept the small loss and walk away and you will be fine. IF NOT accepting small losses, you cant forgive your SOUL.

IF the traders are addicted to news feed, the price will most likely be flip-flop. My thought is wait for the price reaction and more importantly read its current price positioning first or price level first.

Most of the time, premium has been priced in. That is why sell on News as price has been built up. So retracement is normal.

However if the price positioning is wait for such good news, then we will have a very good and positive price Reaction to the next price level.

I mean besides the chart and figures, what else do we know about garment contract manufacturing? IF not, when the storm comes/surely one day the storm will come we will be in self doubt, before Long we will be wiped out. If we know the industry well, then our confidence level will be different.

It makes Lots of difference in quantum of investment and timing and strategy and time frame as well.

Ya I really cant interpret what is going on now. Sometimes a drop of Wisdom from the above will help.

if you are Long term value investor then:
1) Why should you review the price on daily basis or hourly basis; You should Not even review your performance even on yearly basis;
2) You should be happy when the price drop further; How do I exactly feel when price drop?
3) You should not care about split/Bonus issue;
4) You should know how much its worth in ten years time;
5) You should walk Away from market and Not listening to the News;
6) You should be Ready to keep Buying whenever price drop 30% each time;
7) Am I willing to hold it for ten years?
8) Am I calculating my profit and loss on daily basis?
9) Am I always happy to share the Good story of the company with everyone and tells them to Buy and Hold for 10 years?
10) Am I always having a Good sleep a night and smile myself to dreamland?

I guess we are just Not there yet ya.

I would say we cant fight fear and greed the so-called dark forces, no matter how knowledgeable you are. As long as you are exposed to market long enough, you will be losing control/discipline. The market forces is too big for us to maintain a single investing plan.

What should we do then? Not really sit tight as i would doubt you will be able to sit tight as well But Walk far far away and No news from the market.

It is the same thing you Walk away from alcohol, cigarette, gambling and so on.

Say No and walk away from Gambling. Your intelligence cant win this one and lovely family will be destroyed. Say No and Run.

Say No and walk away from Alcohol.
Say No and walk away from cigarette.
Say No and walk away from Arguments.

This article has touched the most core of investing. Sit tight and Walk Away. We cant fight fear and greed. We cant maintain our plan and discipline because of fear and greed.

This is the Only thing that we can do which is stay away from market. That is how we maintain discipline/Outcome of doing the right thing in the face of fear and greed and follow through our investment plan. I hope lots of people will read this and understand this.

Good thing is the share is tightly held.

I used to say Lots of smart people will wait for retracement to Buy and they really really think this is Wisdom. They will keep doing that at 23% 38% 50% 62% retracement and they will continue to score Big times and neglect what I say. And how long can they last? Really beware of above scenario ya.

1) the intention of shareholder is very important as after the listing they have secured Big contract in first one-two years. Seems like they are generous in sharing the profits with their diluted shareholding after listing. That is good.

2) Alternatively, shareholders maybe looking for cash out after listing. The cash out is made at the maximum level after securing/announcement of contract. If shareholders has this scenerio planned out, THAT is BAD as the cash out could be as high as 20 times listing value.

So if i dont know, do i really really have to speculate to get myself involved?

KC, anyway understanding investors profile is equivalent important. I mean their risk appetite, expectation, investment style, choice and preference so that the gap of understanding would not lead to misunderstanding and disappointment.

KC just provides the frameworks and education and analysis of what needs to be done.

The works must be of your own then Only the company is yours forever.

KC takes on Pintaras has provided us the framework and research and analysis that needs to be done. There is No shortcut around it.

Ayam Tua, can you do the same thing on your Hexza and NTPM so that you understand why it is resilient and potent. IF not you would be bored down and flat out with chart and graph and everyday in and out.

Very seldom any one of us would go down such a process of so lengthy works of hunting down a company.

For me to involve it will be like speculating In and Out without real understanding of its Real value. When the storm comes, i will be in Self Doubt and before long i will be wiped Out.

Arguably those are Not involved in the REAL business world could hardly grasp the idea of Value investment with confident on a particular company. For example KC is a civil engineer and understands the Real Business of Pintaras In and Out.

Could not understand the accounting of Quarterly losses as well.

Who cares most about the company? The business Owner themselves.
No buying from insider/business owner themselves Only means Business Value is Not worth that much. Accounting Value might be Yes.

Can you explain 1) why almost everybody does not have discipline and 2) What is winning mentality? Then i would join your class.

Please dont use this forum to wash our guilt/throw our anger/mostly trying to justify our own incompetence/boast our own confidence by screwing up others. Why are we doing all these stupid things?

Here is Not the forum for us to Boast up our confidence and get people to agree with you just because you are So Afraid and So lack of Confidence. The way you write has expose your weakness. If you are scared, just say so.

Those who speculates up is as guilty as those who speculates down. Remember it is other people hard earned money. Let them decide. You sound too much like the money game/pyramid scheme i attended just now.