TAANN is so kind...not only hire foreign labors....also provide accomodations for their whole families mah!
This is what we call a very caring employer this TAANN mah!
Lu tau boh ?
Posted by MrsLim > Dec 7, 2021 5:58 PM | Report Abuse
calvintaneng,
If Ta Ann is such an honest company that is enjoying high CPO prices and EBITDA, why is the company hiring 'forced labour' and not paying the 12-13% statutory EPF employer contribution?
Thanks for such great efforts & most importantly, unselfishly sharing of your hardworks.
——————————————————— Johnzhang YTD return (i.e. from 4/1/21 to 6/12/21 period) solely based on capital gain (Dividend paid during the period is not considered in the calculation)
Some Investors may be concern of the labour and fertilizer cost increase on plantation company’s performance in 2022. The IBs and media are very prone to look at only one side of the equation and they seriously lack professionalism.
My view is oil palm plantation will still be laughing to the banks next year. Mind you that most big time CPO traders expect CPO to trade above $5,000 during Jan-Mac 2022 and between $4,000 to $5,000 during Apr-Dec 2022.
Cost of production (at estate level) during recent years (2017-2020) were $1,500 -$1,800 pmt CPO depending on the cost efficiency of each planter. Average CPO price over same period (2017-2020) was about $2,490 pmt as shown in the calculation below : 2017 $2,800 2018 $2,150 2019 $2,250 2020 $2,760 ----------------- Avg $2,490 ================= Therefore, average Gross Margin in past recent years enjoyed by planters were $990 to $690 pmt CPO. (ie average CPO price $2,490 minus cost of production $1,500 to $1,800).
Due to higher labour and fertilizer costs, the cost of production is expected to increase by max. $300 pmt CPO basis. The new cost of production for 2022 shall be $1,800 -$2,100 pmt CPO. Based on 2022's CPO price forecasted by big time CPO traders averaging $4,500 , the Gross Margin of the planters will be $2,700 to 2,400 pmt CPO.
2022's Gross Margin is 2.7 times to 3.5 times higher than the average of 2017-2020.
Correctloh...if u factor in increase in cost of 10%...the production cost of CPO is Rm 2750 m/t.
Current CPO future 12 mths average ( Average from future Jan 2022 to Dec 2022) pm 4250!
U still talking about very outstanding Gross Margin of about 36% compare to usual 10% mah!
Plantation will record sky high profit going fwd loh!
Btw...usual norm of cost of production is only around Rm 2200 per tonnes!
Posted by Johnzhang > Dec 10, 2021 11:33 AM | Report Abuse
Some Investors may be concern of the labour and fertilizer cost increase on plantation company’s performance in 2022. The IBs and media are very prone to look at only one side of the equation and they seriously lack professionalism.
My view is oil palm plantation will still be laughing to the banks next year. Mind you that most big time CPO traders expect CPO to trade above $5,000 during Jan-Mac 2022 and between $4,000 to $5,000 during Apr-Dec 2022.
Cost of production (at estate level) during recent years (2017-2020) were $1,500 -$1,800 pmt CPO depending on the cost efficiency of each planter. Average CPO price over same period (2017-2020) was about $2,490 pmt as shown in the calculation below : 2017 $2,800 2018 $2,150 2019 $2,250 2020 $2,760 ----------------- Avg $2,490 ================= Therefore, average Gross Margin in past recent years enjoyed by planters were $990 to $690 pmt CPO. (ie average CPO price $2,490 minus cost of production $1,500 to $1,800).
Due to higher labour and fertilizer costs, the cost of production is expected to increase by max. $300 pmt CPO basis. The new cost of production for 2022 shall be $1,800 -$2,100 pmt CPO. Based on 2022's CPO price forecasted by big time CPO traders averaging $4,500 , the Gross Margin of the planters will be $2,700 to 2,400 pmt CPO.
2022's Gross Margin is 2.7 times to 3.5 times higher than the average of 2017-2020.
This calvin says he put 3% of his money in the stock market ? Certainly...with this type of tiny capital...it is totally waste of time mah!
It is better for him to place all his money in somewhere else & stop wasting time here mah!
Put it this way...no matter who u r....if u want a meaningful return in the stock market....u must commit at least 25% to 30% of your wealth in stock market mah!
Why leh ? Put it this way loh....stock mkt give u the advantage of tax free return compare to property & business which u need to manage people and debt collection mah! U must make use of your advantage to profit against Mr Market mah!
Furthermore when u have carefully invest..u have the advantage of fundamental and margin of safety advantage on your side mah!
A FUNDAMENTAL INVESTOR SHOULD NOT PANIC UNNECESSARY FROM FEAR MONGERING UNLIKE WHAT CALVIN SAID MAH and put everything in CASH loh!, WHY LEH ??
PUT IT THIS WAY LOH.....SHARE IS A PART OF A BUSINESS....EVEN IF IT IS MANAGE PROPERLY....THEY ALWAYS BE DIPS AND BOOM AS IT IS AFFECTED BY EXTERNAL ENVIROMENT MAH! FOR EXAMPLE DURING THE PERIOD OF 2020 TO 2021 DURING THE BUSINESS LOCKDOWN....DO U SELL ALL YOUR GOOD FUNDAMENTAL SHARE & HOLD ALL CASH LEH ? OF COURSE NOT....U SELL ALL THOSE BUSINESS THAT ARE WEAK & WITH NO MARGIN OF SAFETY IN ORDER TO MANAGE YOUR RISK MAH!
I M SURE CALVIN HAVING 97% OF HIS MONEY IN BUSINESS WOULD NOT HAVE SOLD HIS BUSINESS FOR A SONG DURING THIS LOCKDOWN PERIOD 2020 TO 2021 MAH!
REMEMBER STOCK MKT COMPETE....WITH YOUR RETURN OF YOUR FIXED DEPOSITS MAH! Do u think with deposits rates as low as 2% pa....stockmarket can crash so low like calvin said...as it has not gone up that much leh ?
Thus it is always a sound strategy to invest in profitable stocks that have big margin of safety, pays good dividend and very strong balance sheet loh!
Strong companies are TAANN, Bplant, Insas, Sarawak plant, Bkawan, Affin Bank, Maybank and ABMB. In fact there are many u can find loh!
Avoid stocks that have weak & poor corporate governance & shiok sendiri one time profit and weak fundamental loh!
calvintaneng : Heloo friend/// heheheh i see u are lying in this counter today!!! Good .. it make u feel alive? Ok ok... shhhhsh I wont tell anyone what a snake u are...
Sorry people, calvintaneng is a very good investor and can read the market like Warren Buffet...
LOL even WArren ask calvintaneng for advise and often buy calvintaneng breakfast by paying RM1 million per session.....
calvintaneng is a smart investor but his strategy kinda works during bear market cycle. His recommendation is decent and he knows how to value companies. So my fund follows some of his top stocks which include Ta-Ann and large cap plantation companies. But for tech companies, Calvin actually missed out a ton of gains
Yeah I do not support being a fanboy of any investor including Calvin Tan. Sometimes his spamming on the forum can be quite annoying. But ultimately I still respect him professionally. Could really be better if he just consolidates his idea in one forum instead of bombarding ideas everywhere
Tech stocks right now are actually blue chip companies. Their Price to earning ratio will probably balance out in 2 - 3 years. Right now they might seem overvalued. But in 2 -3 years, they could become the next "safe" or defensive companies.
However, do be WARNED that not all tech companies will survive the next crash. Only the top performing tech companies, just like any sector, will continue making consistent profits over the next few decades. It is important to identify their revenue streams and pick the best tech companies within its own sector, be it semiconductor, software or SAAS. Companies like VS Industry or JF Tech will crash, but MPI, Vitrox will perform even better next quarter
Anyways I choose to have diversification in both tech and plantation. Even though I dislike the labour practice of plantation companies, the value is just toooo attractive right now. Who hates cheap stocks
Posted by wallstreetrookie > Dec 13, 2021 11:34 AM | Report Abuse
Anyways I choose to have diversification in both tech and plantation. Even though I dislike the labour practice of plantation companies, the value is just toooo attractive right now. Who hates cheap stocks
@calvintaneng. Taann is a good call. I think ur sales method will yield higher results if u dont go around condeming stock n telling others to buy ur stock..just say buy ur stock.. And ur methods of analysis r wrong...so just say buy this stock so investors can see... N do their own stuff.. Anyway thanks for intro to taann@ calvin
true , calvin analytical method is wrong., but Taann is good counter , better then few othercompanies he suggested. Taann's strength in two products , palmoil and wood logging, both in great demand ,and priced high ,,at least in coming foreseeable few years.
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Posted by titan3322 > 2021-12-06 20:26 | Report Abuse
@gemfinder you may have to re enter at higher price hehe