Posted by hooi > 2014-08-05 16:23 | Report Abuse

Bought FBMKLCI-HB at 0.085(Trading buy)

Posted by hooi > 2014-08-08 15:04 | Report Abuse

Sold FBMKLCI-HB at 0.110

Posted by hooi > 2014-08-19 11:07 | Report Abuse

Bought FBMKLCI-HB at 0.085(trading buy)

Posted by hooi > 2014-08-26 16:36 | Report Abuse

Sold FBMKLCI-HB at 0.095

Posted by hooi > 2014-08-27 09:24 | Report Abuse

Bought FBMKLCI-HB at 0.080

Posted by hooi > 2014-09-12 16:48 | Report Abuse

Sold FBMKLCI-HB at 0.090

Posted by hooi > 2014-09-15 09:36 | Report Abuse

Sold FBMKLCI-HB at 0.100

Posted by hooi > 2014-09-30 15:08 | Report Abuse

Bought FBMKLCI-HB at 0.085

Posted by hooi > 2014-10-02 09:57 | Report Abuse

Sold FBMKLCI-HB at 0.100

Posted by 林俊松 > 2014-10-10 10:55 | Report Abuse

hooi, now can enter?
KLCI will hit 1700 points?

Posted by hooi > 2014-10-10 11:35 | Report Abuse

As a value investor, when market down, i am seeking undervalue counter to buy.

Posted by firestar23 > 2014-10-15 16:52 | Report Abuse

FBMKLCI-HB short the market!

Posted by dragonking > 2014-10-15 17:06 | Report Abuse

fbm-klci,,,,way to go....

Posted by wren > 2014-10-15 17:39 | Report Abuse

short short short...till downtrend ends...hahaha

Posted by godbless88 > 2014-10-15 21:25 | Report Abuse

how to play with this one?

Posted by freonsf > 2014-10-16 10:10 | Report Abuse

klci down, fbmklci-hb will up, easy to play

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 11:55 | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/61847.jsp

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 11:57 | Report Abuse

"在偷鸡的过程中，我悟出一个道理，小偷始终是小，唯有大盗是大，钱不是偷回来的，而是抢回来的。

在市场大跌的时候，有两个方法可以光明正大的抢钱。第一是买期货FKLI。如果你买一张跌，FKLI掉一点，你赚RM50，这个需要另外开期货户口。

还有另外一个就是买put warrant。目前只有一个: FBMKLCI-HB。当中的原理很复杂，但是简单来说，KLCI跌得越惨，你赚得越多。这个用你的股票户口就可以买到。

如果你敢冒这个险，那么或许可以考虑一下。"

in 5 days from 0.11 to 0.175... not bad to buy some in bear market.

Posted by fyh30 > 2014-10-16 12:29 | Report Abuse

may god bless u all now only short klci-hb... early birds have alrdy taken position last week... good luck to u all... market goin rebound :D

Posted by 林俊松 > 2014-10-16 13:41 | Report Abuse

KLCI going to hit 1700 points this year and continue to down next year.
GST will impact the market next year, US fed will make decision on middle of next year & Europe and China economy is flattering.
If market rebounce, those trapped investors will sell to u, fyh30.
I hold FBMKLCI since 8 cents, I short the market.

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 14:00 | Report Abuse

I also short the market...but my entry price is higher. with the recent drop...almost all the share back to Mar and April 2014 level. The worst is oil and gas counter, drop back to july and august 2013 level

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 14:03 | Report Abuse

if tonight US another big drop...the game is over.

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 14:24 | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/61829.jsp

大马综合指数连续六天收在250天平均移动线以下，正式进入熊市。

那么，这是一只小熊还是一只大熊？这段熊市到底会维持多久？

我相信应该没有人能够准确的回答，这股熊市会在何时结束？

我们不如参考以前的数据。

还记得上一次综合指数跌得那么凶的时候，是在2011年的8月份开始的。

2011年8月8日，当时的综合指数下挫至1496.99，正式跌破250天平均移动线。

一个多月后的9月26日，指数更是来到了最低点1310.53，当时综合指数一共已经跌了213.9点。

12月27日，综合指数重新站上250天平均移动线以上，这一波短暂的熊市才算结束，前后141天或4个多月。

Posted by 林俊松 > 2014-10-16 14:24 | Report Abuse

Tomorrow Friday, u think stocks will rebounce on weekends meh?
Next week Deepavali, sell all the stocks u hold in ur hand lah.
Dun crash together with the market, dun rush to enter the market~

Posted by godbless88 > 2014-10-16 14:26 | Report Abuse

mr lim, is it already too late to enter?

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 14:31 | Report Abuse

3 OCT
gold price USD 1190..today 1239
bitcoin USD 356...today 391

others raw material price all drop..even aluminium price also drop
oil and gas also drop
palm oil also drop
now Inari..that related with iphone business also drop....
this scary me..
don't hold too much share on hand at this

Posted by 林俊松 > 2014-10-16 14:38 | Report Abuse

As posted by kytan "正式进入熊市"
Meaning just the beginning.
godbless88, what u think?

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 16:45 | Report Abuse

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/61901.jsp
技 术分析方面，兴业投行技术分析员廖志豪指出，在跌破了200天移动平均线（200MA）后，综指已进入短期熊市，並发出了中长期熊市的讯號。1800点是 个关键的心理水平，但短期內反弹的可能性不强。美股方面，若道琼斯工商指数无法向上突破200天移动平均线，將会触发另一轮卖压，进一步下探16000 点。

Posted by kytan > 2014-10-16 16:47 | Report Abuse

so if you believe bear is coming, stop buyng other share or buy this counter or buy reit counter which give high dividend

Posted by KJ Cheah > 2014-10-16 17:05 | Report Abuse

what is the risk of buying this counter?

Posted by 林俊松 > 2014-10-16 17:08 | Report Abuse

Don't buy if u dun understand.
Temporary stay away from stock market.
Go put bank fix deposit, dun lose money during bear market, earn money when bull market come.
U will thanks me on that.

Posted by traderman > 2014-10-16 17:29 | Report Abuse

KJ Cheah,

your risk is only when market technical rebound

if you see market gonna collapse again then just buy into it

Posted by godbless88 > 2014-10-17 11:20 | Report Abuse

thanks mr lim and others for the insight :)

Posted by 林俊松 > 2014-10-17 15:10 | Report Abuse

Wah, Index up 18 points already.
This counter still standing strong, amazing~

Posted by kengfp > 2014-10-17 15:50 | Report Abuse

just a kind reminder for those who is not aware that this is a warrant and expiring next year Jul 31. If bear market persistent then you may earn big money but bull run takes over any time now as year end is approaching. Then... you might stuck there.

Posted by Raymond Tiruchelvam > 2014-10-19 22:11 | Report Abuse

beware of the time lag that the warrant carries.... sometimes there may be a sudden increase in KLCI, but the wa will not move much and then next day ....drops

Posted by cck8999cck8999 > 2014-10-20 17:27 | Report Abuse

how to culcalate the actal value the HB.base to 671 . 1 ？

Posted by myoswee > 2014-10-20 17:40 | Report Abuse

If follow today closing of FBMKLCI 1803

This warrant = 1880 - 1803 / 667 = 0.115

Now trading at 0.155, premium of 4 cent ( 35%).

Expiry date 31/7/2015.

Posted by cck8999cck8999 > 2014-10-20 17:46 | Report Abuse

myoswee , thanks.

Posted by Raymond Tiruchelvam > 2014-10-21 12:28 | Report Abuse

Another way is to calculate the BE (breakeven) point rather than the discount/premium as one will not realise the magnitude of the discount/premium.... going back to myoswee's case (good job :-) the breakeven is

= Exercise Price - (Purchase Price x Exercise Ratio) = 1880 - (0.155 x 667) = 1,777; which means if u buy the put warrant at $0.155 your breakeven point is KLCI at 1,777 (any value below this level - at maturity - you are positive).

This is european style, so only settled at expiry and not earlier... so tough. Few days back the wa was trading at 8.5c, it had a breakeven of 1,823.

Posted by CAF-POW > 2014-10-21 14:37 | Report Abuse

look very much like gambling in Genting buy big vs small, odds vs even..depending very much also on the worldwide economy outlook like QE extension/renewal etc....

Posted by myoswee > 2014-10-25 10:28 | Report Abuse

Guess what , The premium just got wider. Good luck to those still holding

If follow today closing of FBMKLCI 1818

This warrant = 1880 - 1818 / 667 = 0.09

Now trading at 0.16, premium of 7cent ( 77%).

Posted by muimui > 2014-10-25 12:04 | Report Abuse

myoswee.

Posted by myoswee > Oct 25, 2014 10:28 AM | Report Abuse

Guess what , The premium just got wider. Good luck to those still holding

If follow today closing of FBMKLCI 1818

This warrant = 1880 - 1818 / 667 = 0.09

Now trading at 0.16, premium of 7cent ( 77%).





are you sure the simple calculation that you done is the correct version?

is it possible the 667 put warrant is equivalent to 1 contract of future with a strike level of 1880. if that is the case, this call warrant may not be at 77% premium as you had calculated.
if that is the case, the contract is still having 62pts profit equivalent to rm3,100. therefore the intrinsic value for the put warrant now is 4.6c, the extra 11.4c the market is pricing in the 9 month duration of the Put. plus the recent volatilities. if so, it is trading at 247% premium to its intrinsic value.

at 1880 index, this put warrant is using 667 lot to gearing of 1 contract fkli worth 94,000 at the cost of 10,600. the time value of the put warrant need to be considered, it still has 9 months life.

if my method of calc is correct. if ci drop to 1500 during the period. the put is worth 19,000
thus the fv of the put would be 28.5c

if ci drop to 1200 during the period, the put warrant is worth 51c.

if ci drop to 1000, the put warrant is worth 66c.

any break out of ci above 1880 would destroy any intrinsic value, leaving on time value worth.

i have not seen the put warrant contract details. its just my uncommon sense. i may be wrong.

listen at your own risks.

Posted by muimui > 2014-10-25 12:11 | Report Abuse

current price 16c is pricing in ci will reach 1667. a very unfair game. again, my calc may be wrong.

Posted by davidtkt > 2014-10-25 23:23 | Report Abuse

Hi, any sifu can brief on fbmklci-ci? It was traded at .05 at 1818, how much would it b if klci up to 1830?

Posted by Kitty28 > 2014-10-29 11:42 | Report Abuse

dear mui mui, based on your calculation, is hb worth buying now?

Posted by Kitty28 > 2014-10-29 11:43 | Report Abuse

KLCI +13

Posted by Raymond Tiruchelvam > 2014-10-29 15:01 | Report Abuse

this is a put warrant (short).... if u buy at 15 cents say, only at index price of 1,780 and below you make money ... not otherwise

Posted by funda > 2014-10-29 15:12 | Report Abuse

keep wondering who is supporting the price of this put warrant... the premium is so high...

Posted by HowIn > 2014-10-31 18:34 | Report Abuse

for nw index 1855, FBMKLCI is just worth 0.035.. But nw premium is nearly 300% quote at 0.135