Posted by popcorn > 2016-01-27 21:48 | Report Abuse

I bought and sell at same price 0.55... CIMB warrant really unreliable~

Posted by Lollipot Anison > 2016-01-27 21:51 | Report Abuse

dont waste time on option la...
open an future account and enjoy

Posted by zbaikitree2 > 2016-01-27 22:14 | Report Abuse

this call-warrant are big money suckers that move/no more as they wish.
u really think they follow index?

Posted by eagle100 > 2016-01-27 22:22 | Report Abuse

Ya all, if calls, unless there's big volume, dont go for CIMB. Gotten burnt before. Go for MacQ ones, price moves with index. Even with very little volume, I managed to sell at 3 cent profit today

Posted by zbaikitree2 > 2016-01-27 22:26 | Report Abuse

macq seems to be better across all their call put.

they are dedicated to show volatility unlike Cimb coma warrant.

having said that. call/put are not issued to you to make money.

Posted by NIBIRU_T > 2016-01-28 09:56 | Report Abuse

美军要在2月底突袭朝鲜 轰炸700个军事据点.

US may attack north korea 700 military bases end of february.

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-28 11:46 | Report Abuse

Nibiru, it's propaganda only to push market lower. The fact is, there is no more steam for market direction after Fed being dovish on rate hikes. Dollar went weak and we should expect oil to hit 35 in the near future.

Posted by westgun > 2016-01-28 12:08 | Report Abuse

hi bro cashflow... can more details on it ?

how iis this impact out klci?


cashflow Nibiru, it's propaganda only to push market lower. The fact is, there is no more steam for market direction after Fed being dovish on rate hikes. Dollar went weak and we should expect oil to hit 35 in the near future.

Posted by NIBIRU_T > 2016-01-28 12:09 | Report Abuse

H5 now @ 0.040 ~ 0.045

Posted by NIBIRU_T > 2016-01-28 14:24 | Report Abuse

if US really take action against north korea, H43 is the most suitable put to buy. expiry date end of july, long way to go...

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 01:29 | Report Abuse

As expected, crude oil bounced above 35 dollars. Market stabilized after Fed being dovish.

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 01:32 | Report Abuse

Westgun, it is not easy to price in an event which cannot be forecasted due to its poor likelihood. No one predicted the hydrogen bomb test by North Korea, and no one could ever predict when a real war would happen. When it happens, then market will react on the news. At the moment, people are trying to speculate to drive the market the way they want. Until Obama announces the war, it's still a speculation.

Posted by NIBIRU_T > 2016-01-29 03:43 | Report Abuse

amended budget is out yesterday, markets today ???

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 09:55 | Report Abuse

No one trading call when the market is boosting?

Posted by NIBIRU_T > 2016-01-29 10:03 | Report Abuse

C22, not even 1, why ?

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:04 | Report Abuse

Way above exercise level!!

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:11 | Report Abuse

yes, CIMB bastards, Con in money bastards

Posted by Lim Elson > 2016-01-29 10:17 | Report Abuse

tiu..........MOST STUPID COUNTER I BOUGHT... KENA CON !

Posted by Lim Elson > 2016-01-29 10:17 | Report Abuse

BAN IT FOREVER

Posted by Lim Elson > 2016-01-29 10:18 | Report Abuse

C4 C34 DAH JALAN.... C22 MIMPI JER

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:22 | Report Abuse

F*cked up counter. The bank traders d#ck weak on this counter.

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:23 | Report Abuse

All call 0322618888, complaint!

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:28 | Report Abuse

CIMB don't want to bid higher, even when the gearing ratio and premium is in, this is how bank wants to con, so screw mathematics, its all about the bank

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:29 | Report Abuse

Let's all do a test, do not sell any sell position on any of those points above 0.055, see if banks will bid higher due to low sell volume

Posted by eagle100 > 2016-01-29 10:31 | Report Abuse

I tot already told you all dont buy CIMB warrants if volume low
Macq better. Stuck liao is it?

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:33 | Report Abuse

Macq also not moving la bro, only few moved, and it appears the bank is taking opportunity not to bid high, swallow traders

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:34 | Report Abuse

All the H got bombed, and C barely moving because they are flushing traders out

Posted by eagle100 > 2016-01-29 10:36 | Report Abuse

If ratio is 250 or 300, it's moving. Of course, try to choose the one with lower ratio, 200 or 250. If ratio is 500 or 700, sure slow to move

C22 ratio is 700 to 1.

Posted by cashflow > Jan 29, 2016 10:33 AM | Report Abuse

Macq also not moving la bro, only few moved, and it appears the bank is taking opportunity not to bid high, swallow traders

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:38 | Report Abuse

C34 and C12 ratio is also 700 and they are moving, it's all about the bank and syndicate deciding which one will move

Posted by eagle100 > 2016-01-29 10:42 | Report Abuse

C12 always have volume since last time for CIMB. Like H25 for puts

If MacQ is see ratio, lower move faster. C28 move up 3 cents when index move 10 pts. C46, the new one, 2 cents. Though both no volume either buy or sell, it moved.

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:43 | Report Abuse

Until there is serious share buy back from bank, this warrant will stay stagnant

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:47 | Report Abuse

If KLCI move 50 points also, I bet con threads will only move 5 cents and drop back.

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:50 | Report Abuse

eagle, I was monitoring H25 also, it was 0.065 lowest and then picked up more than 100% profit within 10 days. Index barely went below 1600 exercise level but H25 made good fortune for syndicate and traders who swim along. C22 on the other hand had potential to do the same trend, provided the premium zone now, but CIMB wants us to believe the same could happen, but turn out the other way.

Posted by Lim Elson > 2016-01-29 10:50 | Report Abuse

complaint to SC and bursa malaysia

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:53 | Report Abuse

Just called Bursa
Complaint Aduan@bursamalaysia.com

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:53 | Report Abuse

write in guys, all kasi hantam CIMB

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 10:54 | Report Abuse

Don't let CIMB con money because when you write, there is proof to make Bursa aware of the situation

Posted by ylliau > 2016-01-29 10:55 | Report Abuse

guys,,,we can compare C12 as well..exceed 100point only 17cents..WTF CIMB..

Posted by eagle100 > 2016-01-29 10:58 | Report Abuse

Cashflow, C12 is most active call and H25 most active put for CIMB.
Both have high volume and in the most active list of Bursa

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 11:13 | Report Abuse

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/contact/complaints-against-bursa-malaysia

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 11:22 | Report Abuse

I have reported to Bursa, please do the same to report CIMB fraudelence. Part of the email content;

"This week, the KLCI index have progressed with dollar weakening and oil price stabilizing, and market is recovering with KLCI index recording at this moment 1648. The FBMKLCI-C22 exercise price is 1630, so the present underlying price is already premium for this warrant, but there is no movement on price, and worse it went south, kept declining. I have called CIMB warrant depart +6032261888, and spoke to a lady named Katrina. The bank representative gave some excuse regarding investors trying to exit despite the improvement in underlying price (email below). I understand this is a rare occasion, but it is not possible on every single day for the past 4 days when index is green. My bet, the warrant should have been priced about 0.09 level based on gearing and premium, but CIMB is taking advantage to flush traders out by scamming the warrant bid price, basically not allowing any chance of profit taking. It is very clear the bank refuses to trade higher and kept volume low to prevent warrant price correlating with underlying index."

Posted by Shellhouse > 2016-01-29 12:01 | Report Abuse

cashflow this warrant is trading at a premium. You said it yourself. Do you know what a "premium" means?

The breakeven at RM0.06 is only when index is @ 1672 pts. [ ( 700 * 0.06 ) + 1630 ] = 1672.

It is overvalued at 6c. Don't get me wrong, but I don't think anyone is being cheated here. Try to understand how structured warrants work before blasting in such a manner

Posted by Shellhouse > 2016-01-29 12:03 | Report Abuse

Theoretically at this price, it should only move when index >1672

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 12:06 | Report Abuse

Shellhouse, explain index movement on H25 despite being OTM

Posted by Shellhouse > 2016-01-29 12:08 | Report Abuse

On another note, this is a CASH SETTLED warrant.

The bank has no obligation to offer you an early exit via buying back the warrants.

Posted by cashflow > 2016-01-29 12:11 | Report Abuse

Shellhouse, there is no real reason for the warrant to dive to 0.055 when it was already in premium zone. Yes I agree the breakeven portion, but why would a warrant oversold when it is already above exercise level. Secondly, H25 case, it has not reached exercise level, but bankers and traders had it more than 100% profit in OTM zone. In contract, these are same ratio with caps between 1600 (H25), 1630 (C22), same expiration. If we see on weekly chart, C22 should have at least corrected above .09 in contract with December high when underlying is about the same.

Posted by Shellhouse > 2016-01-29 12:11 | Report Abuse

[ ( 700 * 0.11 ) - 1600 ] = 1523

H25 is only IN THE MONEY when index at 1523

Posted by NIBIRU_T > 2016-01-29 12:13 | Report Abuse

Shellhouse, pls. explain index movements on H27 as well.

Posted by Shellhouse > 2016-01-29 12:14 | Report Abuse

Its a game of demand and supply. Try to think from the perspective of the bank.

The bank is not cheating anyone here, becoz they don't have an obligation to buy back at a higher price. Wait till maturity and you will receive your buy-in money together with the PROFITS in cash.

The price movements have nothing much to do with the bank. They are selling a product here. And traders like you get in and out speculating on future prices. That's explains the "correction"

Posted by Shellhouse > 2016-01-29 12:16 | Report Abuse

[ ( 700 * 0.09 ) - 1550 ] = 1487

H27 is only IN THE MONEY when index at 1487