FORMOSA PROSONIC INDUSTRIES
KLSE (MYR): FPI (9172)
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It is Ok if the management does not disclose much of the info of its clients to the shareholders, as long as it can make good profit, give good dividend, maintain good cashflow and remain cash rich, as is the case now.
2024-05-26 14:46
PEG ratio about 0.7 ? Over the past decade, Formosa Prosonic Industries (FPI) has shown notable growth. Analyzing the available data, FPI's earnings per share (EPS) have increased significantly, highlighting a robust performance trend.
In recent years, the EPS growth has been quite strong. For instance, the EPS for 2022 was RM0.42 compared to RM0.39 in 2021, and earlier, it was RM0.21 in 2020 versus RM0.17 in 2019. Over the last five years, the company has achieved an annual EPS growth rate of about 25%, indicating a consistent upward trajectory in its financial performance.
Additionally, the company's dividend payments have also increased, reflecting its growing profitability. From 2014 to 2024, the dividend grew from MYR0.06 to MYR0.23 per share, demonstrating an annual growth rate of approximately 14%.
Overall, FPI has maintained a strong growth rate over the past decade, making it an attractive investment option within the materials sector.
2024-05-26 19:40
I just posted an update on FPI here.
https://klse.i3investor.com/web/blog/detail/DividendGuy67/2024-06-13-story-h-159639979-FPI_Update
I like to think there's a majority chance a breakout will soon happen to the upside, but that's not my primary objective - my main goal is to own this stock for its high dividend yield, and if there's a price gain, that's a bonus.
Never be greedy. My position size here is around 3% capital. Not expecting to be wrong, but if it turns out that I'm wrong, then, no major drama - just collect the dividends, and wait for the next high probability setup.
2024-06-13 20:21
EngineeringProfit:
> PEG ratio about 0.7 ? Over the past decade, Formosa Prosonic Industries (FPI) has shown notable growth. Analyzing the available data, FPI's earnings per share (EPS) have increased significantly, highlighting a robust performance trend.
May I know how you calculated the PEG Ratio? I got 0.24, based on the following:
PEG Ratio = PE / 5-Year EBITDA Growth Rate
= 5.73 / 24.3
= 0.24
Are you using a much lower growth rate? If so, may I know why?
> Overall, FPI has maintained a strong growth rate over the past decade, making it an attractive investment option within the materials sector.
I consider FPI as a hardware manufacturer. Not sure why you place it in the materials sector.
2024-06-15 20:47
Hi all -- While the FPI's share price has improved considerably in recently months, I remain concerned about its not so impressive top line number. As a result, FPI's PS Ratio now stands at 1.1, well above its historical norm of around 0.7. Is this a course for concern?
I added more when the price dipped recently after the x date. But, the above concern keeps me from adding more, despite FPI trading at such depressed PE Ratio, improving operating margin, and impressive ROIC.
2024-06-15 21:17
I try not to over-analyze any one stock, because I have too many experiences over the past 3 decades, where I analyzed in great detail (like at least 100 times more detail), thinking I knew the most, but one day, the market threw me a curve that I could never have predicted, notwitstanding numerous detailed analysis everywhere.
In short, as retail investors, we will never ever know everything no matter how much we analyze, research, access to management and board, etc.
Because of these occasional bad past experiences, I have given up owning say 10 stocks or less - it is too few because if I lose 10% capital, it's a lot harder to make it back than losing just 2% or 3% capital.
So, my minimum number of holdings is at least 40 stocks. My experience is I only need to spend 2% of the time to analyze the big picture, and it explains 98% of the results over the long term. In short, I play the statistics. Every stock idea should be capable of being explained in 1 minute. If you can't explain the idea in 1 minutes, I pass.
So, what is FPI's one minute idea?
1. Long term chart - rising
2. Small cap with room to grow.
3. Past 10 years business growth is proven, whether RPS, EPS, DPS and/or NAPS growth - it has proven itself.
4. Speakers business is niche - FPI didn't grow like this over past 10 years if it wasn't doing something right - true next 10 years is unclear, nobody really knows, but the edge is better than 50/50.
5. Excellent financials and balance sheet today and in the past - that's good enough to earn my trust.
In short, it's good enough for me to own up to 2%-3% of capital on this stock. I have no intention to own 10% or 20% capital into this one stock - if you want to own this much, you need much greater assurance than I need, but I doubt the extra 10-100 times more analysis is going to beat the 1 minute statement above in the long run.
Just my 2 sen.
2024-06-16 14:00
I forgot to mention what I always look for before triggering which is good valuation, attractive entry price, buy during accumulation zone, can visualize higher earnings and DPS in 5, 10, 20 years time too.
2024-06-16 14:02
My reference is the typical institutional investors like unit trust fund managers, insurance companies, banks. All of them are highly diversified, owning anywhere from 50 to 500 different stocks. In theory, they are supposed to be the true experts on analysis of stocks, with the huge professional resources they have, access to management, etc - much more than I have. Yet, they don't invest in 5 or 10 stocks. It's good to ponder why. Because if you read their IB reports, they are always surprised after next quarter or next few quarters. Noone can eliminate surprise by analysis.
2024-06-16 14:08
Since I started investing in Bursa, my win rate is pretty good including paper gains/loss. 82% of my stocks investing/trading results in win, only 18% is a loss, and all 18 are paper losses so far which a majority I expect to be temporary.
I suspect my win rate is higher than many professional fund managers. Notwitstanding, I know enough to know that my analysis have limitations, that no matter how good an analysis I do, I will still be proven wrong from time to time.
2024-06-16 14:13
Interesting ... out of 54 open stock positions, 13 are losses, 41 winners and the $ winner far offset the losers. I have another 18 mostly trading stocks that I have closed and 18 / 18 are winners with no losers. Total winner 59 / 72 ~ 82%.
The small paper losses are mostly investing positions which include AMFIRST, BAT (trading), CARLSBG, CHINWEL, HEIM, HEKTAR, MAGNUM (trading), MAXIS, PBBANK, RAPID (trading), these 10 are extremely small % loss - I am very confident, with time, they will turn profitable, mostly by doing nothing, but some may require trading (e.g. BAT - cannot keep for too long). The 3 bigger % loss are ARREIT, ASTRO and BESHOM, all 3 are hopeless - don't enter them (I'm not), don't average down (I'm not) - my plan is to just leave them there to die a natural death as they are small. These 3 has VERY successfully reminded me for a long time - a constant reminder - not to buy a stock that is going down - that reminder has successfully enabled my portfolio to keep making new all time highs as a result.
2024-06-16 14:51
DividendGuy67:
> My minimum number of holdings is at least 40 stocks. My experience is I only need to spend 2% of the time to analyze the big picture, and it explains 98% of the results over the long term. In short, I play the statistics.
I find owning too many stocks tiresome. In my younger days, I was a lot more gung-ho and held numerous positions. However, over the years, I have come to realize that I prefer owning stocks for the long term—at least 5 years—and favour those that are more predictable.
I aim to own around 20 stocks at a time, though there is often some overlap as I trim and gradually exit richly valued stocks while buying those I perceive to be undervalued. Generally, I try not to allocate more than 10% to any one particular stock.
2024-06-17 10:04
@Thirai, it's gung ho indeed if you can't cope, but if you can, do note institutional investors prefer to own much more than 50-100 stocks, due to their fund mandate and benchmarks.
Here's 3 examples:
1. PB Dividend Builder Equity Fund. Benchmark = 90% FTSE Bursa Malaysia Top 100 (FBM100) & 10% 3 month KLIBOR. Their benchmark is 100 stocks. Their overseas exposures are USA (10.0%), Taiwan (4.2%), China (2.1%), Korea (1.5%) across many different sectors i.e. their portfolio contains 3 digit stocks.
2. PB Growth Fund. Benchmark = KLCI = 30 stocks; They have exposures in US (7.0%), China (6.0%), Taiwan (1.9%), UK (1.2%) i.e. 3 digit stocks.
3. PB Islamic Equity Fund. Benchmark = FTSE Bursa Malaysia EMAS Shariah Index comprising of 220 stocks. They also invests 8.1% in the US, 4.7% in China, 3.1% Netherlands.
etc.
More important is to avoid large losses, which ever the style.
2024-06-17 15:59
@jeffrey, I explained how many stocks here:
https://klse.i3investor.com/web/blog/detail/DividendGuy67/2024-06-11-story-h-159701327-Portfolio_All_Time_High_Profit_Watermark_June_Update
2024-06-17 16:01
DividendGuy67:
> It's gung ho indeed if you can't cope, but if you can, do note institutional investors prefer to own much more than 50-100 stocks, due to their fund mandate and benchmarks.
Good for them. I fear I do not have that level of capability or bandwidth, let alone inclination.
2024-06-17 17:07
FPI Monthly Pivot Points Momentum!
S2: 2.72.(My Cost of Capital Employed)
S1: 2.82.
PIVOT: 2.99.
R1: 3.16.
Dis: Buy/Hold at your own Risk.
DY/BY...stock...Not much trading volume!🤞🤓
2024-08-02 22:36
The Group recorded lower sales of RM200.6 million, a drop of 14.4% from the previous year’s corresponding quarter of RM234.5 million mainly due to lower sales volume. Consequently and coupled with loss on foreign exchange, earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization (“EBITDA”) decreased 137.5% to a loss of RM22.6 million for the current quarter compared to a profit RM60.3 million in the previous year’s corresponding quarter.
1 month ago
Better starts shift to other stocks that will skyrocket later such as vstecs , ranhill , swift haulage ! FPI share price will further drop atleast 40% in 2025 !
1 month ago
At end June 24 , 1 USD = MYR4.71; at end Sept 24, 1 USD = MYR 4.12. Against Malaysian MYR, USD had depreciated by 12.5% from end June to end Sept 2024.
FPI is very cash rich with a CASH balance of about MYR180 mln as at end of June 2024. If the said CASH had all been deposited in USD instrument in Q2 2024, there would be a foreign currency exchange loss of about RM22.5 million due to Malaysian ringgit appreciation against USD over quater 3, 2024.
Suggestion: FPI should return the excessive cash it has to shareholders.
1 month ago
Next year dividend looks likely to be much lower than the price depreciation now. If price continues to drop, shareholders may suffer higher loss even if it can still give 23 sen dividend. Better wait n watch.
1 month ago
The Group recorded higher sales of RM200.6 million in Q3 or a rise of 8.5% when compared to RM185.0 million in the immediate preceding quarter mainly due to higher sales volume.
Nevertheless, EBITDA for Q3 2024 dropped to a loss of RM22.6 million from a profit of RM27.0 million in the immediate previous quarter mainly due to a large loss on foreign exchange.
FPI's Cash, bank balances and deposits as at end 2023 was 202 mil and short term funds was 249 mil. My guess is that the bulk of this cash (about 300mln ?) were probably kept in USD instruments .
This would led to a 10% exchange loss from end quarter 2 to end quarter 3 due to ringgit appreciation against USD from RM4.717 (30 June 2024) to RM4.126 (30 Sept 2024). The FOREX loss could be some 30 mln in Q3.
That is to say FPI profit from core business is actually improving in Q3.
Fortunately, the USD exchange rate to MYR has already risen in Q4 by 8% todate. Currently the exchange rate stands at RM4.45. This is only 3% lower than RM4.59 as at 31 Dec 2023.
The foreign currency exchange loss for the full year of 2024 would therefore be quite small. The Core buisness sales and earnings are improving compare to year 2023.
1 week ago
FPI improvement in core business performance in 2024 can be seen from a higher annualised year 2024 revenue of MYR 713 million which is about 6% higher than in year 2023 (MYR 674 mln).
1 week ago
From Q1 to Q3 2024, Formosa Prosonic Industries Berhad (FPI) reported cumulative sales of RM534.84 million. In comparison, the cumulative sales from Q1 to Q3 2023 were RM519.94 million. This indicates a 3.07% increase in sales for the same period in 2024 compared to 2023.
1 day ago
FPI earning from its core business for the full year 2024 is expected to be higher than last year.
Foreign currency exchange loss , arising in q3 2024 arsing from placement of its very large Cash, Bank balances and Deposits for the full year of 2024 will be minimal as USD to MYR has now risen up again to MYR 4.47/USD compare to MYR4.59 at 31 Dec 2023. Dividend for year 2024 can therefore be expected to be similar to that of year 2023 (23 cents per share).
1 day ago
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