Investigation

Hypothesis: How Did KYY Obtain The IC Of Investar - Revision 2 (13/11 4pm)

octopusray
Publish date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016, 10:52 AM
My view on what's happening..

Something happened recently and it is troubling me and many of my fellow friends and members in this community. Somehow KYY managed to obtain the IC of another member (Investar), and posted it to his blog at: http://koonyewyin.com/2016/10/12/who-is-investar/

Thas has raised many questions among members in the community. If that IC is indeed the true IC of Investar mentioned my KYY, how did he manage to obtain the IC?

Well, I'm curious to know, and I believe many others too. Hence I'm writing down my investigative view here on the possibilities:

Hypothesis 1: Locate the IP address of Investar, then look up the location, find him and get his IC.

  1. Somehow KYY located the IP address of Investar. But the IP address usually does not pinpoint the exact location of a person, only a specific area such as Shah Alam, Cheras, Wangsa Maju, etc.
  2. If Investar connected to Internet via TM Streamyx or Unifi or Maxis Fiber, then KYY needs to contact TM/Maxis to release the exact Address (home or office) of the connection through that IP address on a specific day and time. This is quite tough even though KYY may be an influential person.
  3. If Investar connected to Intervet via mobile 3G/4G network, then tough luck. He could be travelling while accessing the Internet via mobile. So no chance here..
  4. Even if KYY managed to find Investar, why would he want to give the IC to KYY?

 

Hypothesis 2: Get help from Somebody who knew Investar well, and somehow got his IC

  1. Somehow, through his vast connection and network, KYY manage to identify Somebody who knew Investar?
  2. This Somebody must know Investar closely, as he can identity Investar from his comments and writings in the forum.
  3. This Somebody must know the background of Investar well. Perhaps have previous close encounters/dealings that did not end well in order for him to want to release such info to KYY.
  4. This Somebody may have past official client/provider relationship with Investar, such that he has the IC of Investar.
  5. This Somebody must also be quite close with KYY, such that he will share Investar information with KYY.

 

Hypothesis 3: The IC does not belong to Investar

  1. Somehow, KYY received a photo of an ic of a wrong person...

 

Based on the 3 hypothesis above, we can conclude that Hypothesis 1 is quite unlikely, as it is quite impossible that KYY can obtain the address of a person via Internet provider such as TM or Maxis, as that usually requires court order, and usually at the demand from the government.

 

Hypothesis 2 is somehow likely though not easy, maybe there is a Somebody who: (possibility 1)

  • has lots of past discussion with Investar to know his writing style
  • has provided training or other form of subscription services to Investar such that he knows Investar background well
  • has been criticized by Investar in the past so he was quite upset with him
  • was perhaps a Dealer/Remisier who has opened a client trading account for Investar, hence got his IC
  • was perhaps work in a broker who has opened a client trading account for Investar, hence got his IC from his company or unofficially via internal connection with other company officer
  • is very close with KYY, perhaps providing VVIP services to KYY such that he will provide such private info to KYY in order to continue get his support and business

 

Hypothesis 2 is somehow likely though not easy, maybe there is a Somebody who: (possibility 2 - in view of the lead that Investar may be a Dealer)

  • has lots of past discussion with Investar to know his writing style
  • has past dealings with Investar and knows Investar background well
  • has been criticized by Investar in the past so he was quite upset with him
  • was perhaps a Dealer/Remisier who has past competition or conflicts with Investar
  • was perhaps work in a broker who somehow through his connection manage to obtain Investar IC from his stock broking company via internal connection with other company officers
  • is very close with KYY, perhaps providing VVIP services to KYY such that he will provide such private info to KYY in order to continue get his support and business

 

Hypothesis 3 is equally likely. KYY may have been misled..

 

I do not know for sure who fits into Hypothesis 2, though I have my own suspect, lets call him Broker Officer 1 (BO1). But I just want to say upfront that I don't have any past or present dealings with BO1, and I do not know for sure if BO1 has really provided the IC to KYY. I don't think it is fair to put the full blame on BO1 when he is not proven guilty. Therefore I shall just leave his name out.

Anyhow, KYY and BO1 have been keeping quiet in the past few days. I'm not sure if this is just coincidence that they are busy and been away from forum. However, to be fair to all other curious members of the community, they should come out and clarify the situation and not just keeping quiet behind the scene.

Share your comments or other info that you have. I shall edit this article if there are new leads.

 

=== Revision 1: 13/11/2016 11:20am ===

Within minutes after I posted the article, somebody posted in the comment suggesting that the IC may not belong to Investar. Therefore I added Hypothesis 3.

 

=== Revision 2: 13/11/2016 4:30pm ===

In view of new leads posted in the forum, I've revised this post again to update on possible leak path..

 

=== Disclaimer ===

This is not an article to blame who causes the demise of Investar. We do not and should not blame anyone for this unfortunate event.

However, I just wonder how could his IC have been passed to KYY and subsequently posted to KYY blog? Through which channel and who? That is the discussion of this blog post. We expect that person who provided the IC to KYY to come out and apologize, or KYY to clarify and explain.

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WB2F

I am just wonder why you all keep on attacking on KYY for publishing his IC. He only high lighted "Photo" & "Name"

If Simon Kueh posted all the attacked by using his own full name then will KYY publish his IC ??? By publish his IC just to expose who he really is. Well do you wants to publish KYY IC ? & If wants then what can you achieve by doing this.

Are you all feel shame when people publish your IC ???

Aiyo you all please grow up. :)

2016-11-13 22:06

octopusray

As paperplane2016 said, this is a breach of PDPA issue. Technically the person sharing IC with KYY could be committing crime depending on how the IC was obtained.

2016-11-13 22:18

WB2F

Then let the authority due with him.

2016-11-13 22:28

jasonor

even i don't have pictures of my family member's IC... i wonder how someone can take photo of another person's IC? u need to take the IC out from wallet, to take photograph. but b4 that, u need to find him... this is not aladddin and jinny's story or magic show by jibby.

2016-11-13 22:30

octopusray

That's why a primary suspect is an insider - someone who have access to Client or Colleague data.

And that, obviously, is a breach of PDPA

2016-11-13 22:33

Godevil

Hello people, we private investors not private Detectives. What's the point of this whole exercise.?

2016-11-13 22:37

probability

Post removed.Why?

2016-11-13 23:27

Raymond_Moo

Probability, thank you sir

2016-11-13 23:33

Up_down

I hope they won't call MBJB to kautim his 70 dogs....

2016-11-13 23:34

CharlesT

probability I see that people (including KYY) are not addressing what is most important now...all seem to self-absorbed with self-interests.

Yeap, I still see a lot of commercials in his latest article...

2016-11-14 08:28

lextcs

in the first place..kyy should not have gone personal on commentators over in the cyber space. Its a free world of expessions and Kyy should have taken all the praise, glory or even criticisms in his strides. Exposing someone stark naked leaves the poor guy vunerable. I truly thinks uncle KYY have gone overboard this time....this just goes to prove what HUBRIS can do to a rich guy like KYY.

2016-11-14 09:19

Up_down

He knows well... Stock market is just only a place for him to do his business... an ATM machine. what ever things happen won't affect his mind much. No emotional attachment. that's one of the reason he has been laughing all the way to the bank.

2016-11-14 09:22

lching

well written.

2016-11-14 10:02

malaysiaku

kyy tak mengaku bersalah..."bukan aku yang menyebabkan kematian investar kueh shu tsung", cakap kyy.. teman wanita investar pun ada bagi nota kepada saudara OTB, yang mengatakan dia mengalami masalah kewangan....aku pasti tolong, begitulah kata-kata kyy....sekarang bukan masa nak menyalahkan sesiapa... yang pasti kyy perlu berhati-hati menulis di halaman social dan bermaafan...jangan ingat kamu kaya boleh aniaya sesiapa....rest in peace, kueh shu tsung

2016-11-14 13:27

rainbowyen

yes...I also think KYY gone overboard this time when he exposing someone IC and shaming him online...RIP Investar

2016-11-14 13:38

probability

Post removed.Why?

2016-11-14 13:51

arv18

Post removed.Why?

2016-11-14 15:46

lala23

alot of ppl saying kyy should not have gone personal on commentators.. but so many commentators are going personal on him.. cursing.. bad mouthing.. and calling him all sorts of things.. maybe all should just refrain attacking others and just talk abt stock alone.

2016-11-14 17:56

静思# 是修养也是修行

To those wanna help late Simon Kueh, you may contact Connie for donation:

http://www.fun01.net/post426856/216

聯繫人:Connie +6018 399 2813
馬來亞銀行(MBB)帳號:11439-300-2215(Heng Keh Pool)

Forwarded message:

緊急上訴:一個人的偉大和艱難的慈善之旅許多長年。隨著這個偉大的人的突然消失,善良的心的公眾能夠幫助完成他的最後的願望嗎?
緊急上訴:Simon's Shelter (in Tapah, Malaysia)



可以做些什麼來幫助這個私人住所的70多隻狗和貓在Tapah,在馬來西亞?

一個人的偉大和艱難的慈善之旅許多長年。隨著這個偉大的人的突然消失,善良的心的公眾能夠幫助完成他的最後的願望嗎?

在2015年2月6日,Simon張貼在他的Facebook的照片,有標題:

「我的狗永遠不會知道什麼是被忽視,飢餓或不愛的。這是我的誓言.

Simon的狗,或者更確切地說,狗和貓,被救出的流浪,被遺棄,老,生病,一直是一個誓言,儘管地獄和高水,為了一個任務,他從2000年開始。

Simon熱情地把他們當作寵物,在許多長年裡餵養和照顧愛。一個純粹同情的使命。事後看來,他可能沒有想象它會膨脹成一個相當大的避難所,在它的高度,安置超過100隻寵物。

Simon在90年代和21世紀初在吉隆坡有一個成功的職業生涯,當他第一次在高速公路上拋棄一隻小狗。失敗的嘗試讓小狗通過後,他和Connie(女朋友)把小狗。這是在2000年,許多救援的第一個,可能是計劃外的當時。

在2013年5月25日的Facebook上,根據其中一條評論,他寫道:「我有一個人......傾倒她的狗,我發現它,並採取了狗最後8年...」

起初是一次性的救援,隨著時間逐漸膨脹到一個大數字。一些東西超越了一個人的能力,以應付,因此它不是沒有挑戰,艱難,痛苦和燃燒的壓力,多年來,可以理解。它花了偉大,同情和犧牲,持續了這麼多年來反對所有的賠率。

隨著被救出的寵物的數量的擴大,它不再可能將他們住在他住在吉隆坡的地方。

Simon在吉隆坡以外找到了一塊土地,建立了一個動物庇護所,他熱愛地將他當作他的動物保護區,在那裡他很高興地照顧這些否則痛苦的靈魂被賦予了新的生命,遠離一個殘酷的世界。這是一塊農地,離開喧囂的軌道,坐落在馬來西亞Tapah的叢林。隨之而來的是生活方式的改變。在吉隆坡(他試圖謀生)和距離吉隆坡約130公里的避難所之間的無盡穿梭。負責餵養許多嘴和保持持續的基礎上,沒有選擇呼吸,即使有困難結束滿足。然而,寵物從來沒有被忽視,無論辛苦的Simon不得不經歷。隨著時間的推移,身體,精神和經濟方面的壓力對他的健康和財富越來越嚴重。

2016年11月8日,這個收容所的唯一資金提供者,Simon逝世。 70 +狗和貓是左撇子,沒有他們的養家糊口。



緊急上訴是真誠的捐贈,這是至關重要的,以幫助保持寵物和住所的生存,直到得出更確定的解決方案,希望儘快。

Simon留下了一個筆記,他最後的希望希望,將有幫助提供幫助70多年來流離失所者他採納和熱愛照顧多年來。



捐款:



聯繫人:Connie +6018 399 2813
馬來亞銀行(MBB)帳號:11439-300-2215(Heng Keh Pool)

2016-11-14 18:44

Om tare tutare Soha

感恩 mr.Duit..

2016-11-14 19:57

probability

Goodwork Duit. Thanks for taking the initiative.

2016-11-14 20:04

静思# 是修养也是修行

Om tare,

watever I can help is limited. But I try to check on latest update every hour in the internet to see how I can help him more.

2016-11-14 20:41

Om tare tutare Soha

His spirits will not stop here ,on Nov 5 he told he have a same dream for a weeks ..in tat dream he go to another familiar farm n he told he got a feeling he will go th new plc soon to take care th new batch of animals..
ppl can say i cook story here ,fortunately i hv recorded down our comunication.. n i did pursuit him dun fight wt anyone anymore,n..his answer are ..no lah ..i no more fight wt others ..all i hv recorded down ..tq

2016-11-14 21:27

静思# 是修养也是修行

Om tare.

One very important request. Update us how the next of kin wanna admin the dog farm. Without this we cannot simply plan for mitigation.

2016-11-14 21:34

Marika Wg

mr.duit is tat u? difft id name duitkwspduitkita?i remember S.k told u 2years bek u pernah invited him come out yam cha n play badminton .. mayb difft person i m not sure,just curious ..

2016-11-14 21:40

Marika Wg

@Probability if u free pls check mail..my ph battery flat.. tq

2016-11-14 21:52

Om tare tutare Soha

flyingkite n S.K's family =same Breed..

2016-11-14 23:14

probability

to those who wants to donate...please speak to Connie & find out what are the information you need to justify the donation....donation is not by force...its purely by sympathy & trust at a level one requires. tq

2016-11-14 23:22

HowAh

This is charity, isn't it?

2016-11-14 23:22

HowAh

People can ask, you don't have to give. Ask also cannot? Tyrant is it? Your house is it?

2016-11-14 23:23

Om tare tutare Soha

Quotes From a Noble man
SAHAM YANG DI GERENTI TAK TURUN.
Donald Trump jadi Presiden ,bursa saham KL MENURUN,gelisah....
terlupa saham AKHIRAT.JOM,kita labur lah saham akhirat....
GERENTI tak akan turun punya

2016-11-14 23:26

birkincollector

Anyone talked to Connie yet? Wish to donate but wanna make sure the acc is valid and if the shelter is sustainable

2016-11-14 23:53

Om tare tutare Soha

@birkincollector,pls go to her facebook community group page n pm her tq

2016-11-15 00:23

Om tare tutare Soha

@birkincollector ,pls check link above fr Simon Kueh shelter details Tq..

2016-11-15 02:12

enning22

The departure of a Kueh ShuTsung,is a big warning to many so called investors. if you are not careful, and greed blurred your eyes, blindly follow a false prophet,and soon , you will be NEXT!

2016-11-15 08:10

limchimleong

钱兄,非常感谢和尊敬你的呼吁,弟会尽一点绵力!

2016-11-15 10:44

Buttercannotfly

Stop attacking if not interested in other people's intention.
Just stop watching this section will not make u feels uncomfortable.

2016-11-15 13:14

Om tare tutare Soha

阿瀰陀佛 let th karma deal with us ..
Tq..

2016-11-15 13:17

Annetan

Flyingkite,do you understand the consequences of your words?Ponder for a while and try to put yourself in thier shoes.How would you feel when someone starts with all kinds of accusation?What if the things said are all wrong?What would you do when you realise that?Apologise?Remember words utter cannot be taken back just like time but the harm is already done!Doesn't mean you have to stop people doing what that differs frm your thoughts.

2016-11-15 13:26

Buttercannotfly

Only you who don't have an open mind and heart fk, if lose money dun come and bark here, go elsewhere. Appreciated.

2016-11-15 15:00

Om tare tutare Soha

I am the owner of my karma.
I inherit my karma.
I am born of my karma.
I am related to my karma.
I live supported by my karma.
Whatever karma I create,whether good or evil ,that I shall inherit.
Anguttara Nikaya v.57.
Upajjhatthana Sutta .

2016-11-15 15:27

Om tare tutare Soha

Pls stop fighting here,nobody will benefits here..@i3forum admin ,pls remove all threads on i3forum regarding th late Simon Kueh Shu Tsung (donation)if disturbing th members here.. Tq..

2016-11-15 16:00

Raymond_Moo

flyingkite, she just want to save the dogs, no other intention.

2016-11-15 17:53

HowAh

U have the option to donate in kind if you think donating money is not the right way. I'm sure your donation in kind will not be rejected. :)

2016-11-15 17:56

Buttercannotfly

Fk is smarter than the dogs, simple as that... Keep on barking then since your comments already makes you no difference with the animal coz some animal do listen and cares. Why don't you create and pocket on your own, funny, so call smart people... haiz...

2016-11-15 22:05

birkincollector

Donated 10% of my profit from the share market yesterday and today, only few hundreds but hope that helps in some ways. Well its charity after all, do it only if ur comfortable. It must comes from ur heart, my intention is for the animal welfare.

2016-11-15 23:13

probability

glad to see a person like you birkincollector...

the truth..the reality...the perceptions...the right... the wrong.. and the judge ...may be its all in the self...do what it feels good to your 'heart' - the place where the self truly is.

2016-11-15 23:39

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