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Is the stock market heaven or hell? Part 4, Lesson from US Subprime Mortgage Crisis kcchongnz

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The United States Subprime Mortgage Crisis

The Malaysian market was quiet for a while after the dreadful Dotcom Internet Bubble in2001. Investors and speculators were licking their wounds and recurerating from the losses during the Dotcom Internet Bubble.  It took a period of more than five years for the KLCI to recover 60% to 914 points by middle of year 2006, or about 10% a year. That to me was a reasonable recovery. After that, it took less than one and a half year to race up by an equal amount of 60% to a new peak of 1445 points on 30th November 2007 as shown in Figure 1 below. The party was on again.

One of my “favorite” stocks, KNM, went up to the adjusted price of more than RM10 then, with its fantastic growth story and acquisitions all over the world. Wow, Malaysia has produced such a woderful global growth giant. Many investors including big institutional investors, EPF included, bought into the stories expounded by the management and flamboyant CEO, a great talking head, with the undivided support of all investment bankers and professional analysts. With the help of syndicates, I believe, rammed up the share price above RM10 in a short time. Unfortunately it became one of the worst performer after the crisis, dropping by more than 90%. It is now traded at 63 sen eight years later on 31st March 2015, only at a few percentage point of its peak price.

Figure 1: KLCI at The US Sublime Crisis

 

The US Market

The subprime mortgage crisis in mid 2000s was one of the most spectacular episodes in the history of US capital market. The housing market was in steep rise in the mid-2000s. The innovative financial tools of adjusted mortgage interest rates, no down payment no income verification mortgages, allowed lenders to lend to subprime borrowers who without them would never be able to qualify for the loans and able to pay for the loan instalments as they simply did not have the income to support them. When house prices rose, it appeared everything was alright as their equity in the house appreciated and they could continue to borrow more with the increased equity they had in their houses. When the steep rise in house prices reversed its trend, and as adjustable mortgage interest rates reset, borrowers defaulted, triggering a financial crisis which spread to every corner of the globe. This was exaggerated by the securitization of the loans and mortgages which were sold widespread into the institutional investor market which turned sour due to the widespread default of the housing loans. This created a dominos effect resulting drying up of liquidity that shows no signs of ending.

 

The S&P 500 Index dropped 52% in less than one and a half year from October 2007 to February 2009. The crisis was so severe that two famous and established investment banks, Bear Sterns and Lemon Brothers which both had survived many pass crisis, went belly up due to their heavy exposure to the subprime mortgage debt securities. The US stock market was hit by many six sigma events which no financial models can predict. There were large and frequent drops of the indices of a few percent a day which were never supposed to happen, so according to the financial models such as that of Value At Risk. Many hedge funds collapse and gone bankrupt. During that time, banks were not willing to even lend money to other banks. Citi Bank shares, the once largest bank capitalization stock dropped to historical low of just $1. Those who lived through these events will never forget the turmoil.

 

Bursa Malaysia

As the US Sublime Housing Crisis intensified, KCI dropped in tandem with the US market. It suffered the worst one-day plunge of 130 points or 9.5% on 10 March 2008 to 1157 points as a reaction exaggerated by the results of the 12th General Election.

Sime Darby fell RM1.90 to RM9.10, KPS lost RM1.74 to RM1.68, DiGi RM1.70 to RM21.30 while BCHB fell RM1.65 to RM8.55. Other losers were IJM, down RM1.45 to RM5.50, Puncak RM1.36 to RM3.16, Tenaga RM1.25 to RM7.40 and Bursa RM1.05 to RMN8.90. Source: The Star On-Line (10.03.2008)

The KLCI had lost 40% in 10 months from end of October to a low of 864 points at the end of September 2008. Those hot growth stocks which were bidden up to lofty valuation with rosy future expectations fell many times more than the broad market. KNM dropped to its low at RM1.44, or a loss of 86%, in just one year. Incredible! However, it was still not too bad considering it dropped to low of less than 40 sen two years ago, and now trading at 70 sen at the close on 26th March 2015.

Other big losers were Zelan, down by 84% from RM5.50 to 88 sen for the year 2008, now only at 31.5 sen; Pelikan by 75% from RM4.90 to RM1.21, now still about the same at RM1.17. BHIC, the ship builder which has been getting huge projects from the Malaysian Navy and from the government largess, appeared to be “sure win” company, lost 62% from RM7.50 to RM2.85. At RM2.19 now, shareholders of BHIC aare still leaking their wounds and continued to suffer.

Even seemingly good stocks were not spared. Parkson lost 60% from RM10 to RM4.00. At RM2.07 now, investors are still crying without tears. CBIP was down by 72% to RM1.70, the difference is that its price now at RM2.07 after the one for one bonus and free warrants, has already recovered above its previous peak before the plunge. Similarly for Genting. Now at RM9.00, has recovered above its 2008 peak price of RM7.80. Same for KLK etc. However, if you have paid too much for good stocks at their peaks such as IJM at RM8.50, you still have not recovered your loss yet seven years later.

It is noted that the steep fall of stock prices in 2008 for KLCI did not affect good stocks which were selling at reasonable prices at the beginning of the year. BAT, F&N, JT International, Nestle, Amway, Engtex, VADS etc in fact rose in prices during the year. Their share prices as at to date are much higher, for example BAT is 54% above its peak in 2008, not including all the generous dividends investors have been receiving. F&N at RM18.20, is 106% above its peak in 2008 of RM8.85. Amway at RM10.90 is 58% above its 2008 peak price of RM6.90.

What if you can recognize the opportunity above and instead of investing in the blue chips as above, you invested in some good smaller companies selling at much better bargain prices then?

We will discuss about this in the next episode using the experience I had. Meanwhile for those who wish to learn about how to identify good companies and how to check if they are selling at bargain price please contact me at:

ckc15training2@gmail.com.

Being able to identify good companies at cheap price has been proven again and again that it is a winning investing strategy in the long term.

 

K CChong (3rd April 2015)

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CCCL

2008 value of my stocks lost 50%. Good to make a switch to good theme stocks like Hartalega, Adventa and Latexx. Imagine the good bargain price of Latexx-w at 20Cts. At early of 2010 the price reached RM 4.00. Know how to react calmly during crisis/turmoil is super critical. Again not to over expose like borrowing and margin play.

2015-04-03 19:11

CCCL

Avoids "con stocks" all the time. Plenty of good stocks waiting to be discovered....

2015-04-03 19:22

sarifahselinder

Macam mana the coming one??

Will it be massive? Will it be hard? Will it be long??

2015-04-03 20:42

kcchongnz

ks55,

Good points.

But I think Parkson had a convincing growth story in the 2005 when it forayed into China market and its EPS increased from 42 sen to 79 sen.

As usual, the growth story faltered after investors paid too much for that expected growth.

2015-04-05 09:20

calvintaneng

Yes I remember Parkson well. It was once traded around RM1.20 when it was called Amalgamated Containers. Lion Group changed its name to Parkson & its share price skyrocketed to almost RM10.00. The maddening crowd chased a good thing into overvaluation. It went into greater fool's paradise. And now Parkson is a victim of e commerce. Alibaba, taobao & Singpost's success of direct selling have hammered Parkson & others by online marketing.

2015-04-05 11:35

sarifahselinder

Oii bunch of senile old timers, sudah la rindukan rindukan the past lebih baik look into the future

Macam mana.. When will the next crash come?? How bad will it be??

Dah lama I post no answers je




Posted by sarifahselinder > Apr 3, 2015 08:42 PM | Report Abuse X

Macam mana the coming one??

Will it be massive? Will it be hard? Will it be long??

2015-04-05 12:26

sarifahselinder

Apa lesson lesson.. where got?? Oso can not tell the future tulis panjang panjang sampai part 4 for what

2015-04-05 12:36

calvintaneng

Sarifah,

The Next Crisis is yet unknown. Will it be the Destruction of paper currencies by endless "money printing"? Or will it ends with another Crash like 1997/8 or 2007/8?

I think Hyper Inflation is more likely before another big crash arrives.

In any case I have studied the Great Depression. There's a book called "Hard Times". It is an interview on a wide spectrum of people who lived through the Great Depression years of 1930s in USA when Dow crashed in October 29th, 1929.

Among them that thrived were Holly Wood, Psychiatrists, those that were inventive with radio adverts & others.

And we must open our eyes to study the upcoming trends that might lead to another crisis of such proportion.

I want to share again how I escaped The Crash of 2007/8 unscathed because all the signs were there.

I want to share my trip to USA in year 2009 where I witnessed with my own eyes the beginning of subprime lending in Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Francisco & how it hit the world like a tornado 8 - 9 years later when Lehman Brothers' collapsed.

The seeds of destruction were sown in a time of fleeting man made prosperity.

To be continued..

2015-04-05 12:50

sarifahselinder

Huh yang Calvin ni yand sifu.. bagi jawapan

Calvin, sayang u... sambung cepak ya muack muack

2015-04-05 13:14

sarifahselinder

Yang lain u flag la flag la Tak guna betul

2015-04-05 13:14

kcchongnz

Posted by sarifahselinder > Apr 5, 2015 12:26 PM | Report Abuse

Oii bunch of senile old timers, sudah la rindukan rindukan the past lebih baik look into the future

Macam mana.. When will the next crash come?? How bad will it be??

Dah lama I post no answers je



Kennedy said "we celebrate the past to awaken the future." History is a passion, an intellectual discipline and a vital element of learning, how can we improve the future if we do not understand the past...

As for your questions:

1) Nobody owes you anything. If someone gives you something, be thankful to that. But nobody owes you nothing.

2)Your questions are best answered by snake oil salesmen, not me.

3) Your questions show the level of naivety you have about the market. It is good that if you can ask nicely. Maybe someone is kind enough to answer you.

But still I doubt anyone can give an answer in certain term.

Oh yeah, if you do spend some time and effort to read and understand the posts, I believe you will learn a lot and will be well prepared to invest in the market.

Of course this is my own opinion on my own articles. Not counted.

2015-04-05 14:00

sarifahselinder

I tak tahu la I lagi baca lagi worry but dont know when the next big crash will come.

U tahu what I m saying tak... u buat I risau by saying price jatuh 80% in 6 months that kind of things but never tell how to see the signs how to get ready

Bikin takut je

2015-04-05 14:07

kcchongnz

Posted by sarifahselinder > Apr 5, 2015 02:07 PM | Report Abuse

I tak tahu la I lagi baca lagi worry but dont know when the next big crash will come.

U tahu what I m saying tak... u buat I risau by saying price jatuh 80% in 6 months that kind of things but never tell how to see the signs how to get ready

Bikin takut je


Sorry, you baca tapi tak tapi the full message behind. Never mind, if you are interested, I can post another one to "draw the legs of the snakes" for you to see. Tapi satu post lagi oh. Boleh tahan tak?

2015-04-05 14:13

sarifahselinder

Post la tolong post la I dah baca 4 parts.. satu lagi satu lagi la

2015-04-05 14:19

sarifahselinder

Dulu kan I ask nicely??


Posted by sarifahselinder > Apr 3, 2015 08:42 PM | Report Abuse X

Macam mana the coming one??

Will it be massive? Will it be hard? Will it be long??

2015-04-05 14:21

sarifahselinder

next post kalau bolih message kasi terus terang. Jangan buat hidden message ok.. takut nanti I baca baca lagi kepala sakit and risau lagi

2015-04-05 14:30

limchimleong

老兄一片苦心,感谢了!

2015-04-05 16:36

LangeSohneGlashutte

Sarifah... it is not matter of when or how hard or how long will the crash be..but it is matter of your own investment discipline and principle...and if you are already feeling takut after reading kc's post, it is a good thing to feel when other people are greedy, overly bullish and fearless.

As long as you invest with good margin of safety, do your due diligence and avoid speculation ( well to time when the next big crash is some sort of speculation also)..you will do well and smile when the crash happen..even if it is tomorrow.

2015-04-10 11:28

mrk2ca

Sarifah...you are doing investment or speculation??

2015-04-10 11:39

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