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Open letter to iCapital.biz Berhad - M.A. Wind
Wednesday, 21 September 2016
Below is a open letter from Tan Tuan Phin who contacted me and asked me to publish the below letter. I hope many people can attend the AGM and vote according to their opinion, and possibly voice their concerns (if any).
To ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad,
Being a shareholder which owns 274,300 shares not including the shareholdings of my close family members, I wish to voice out my concerns regarding about the recent performance of ICAPITAL.BIZ BERHAD and wish it can be discussed in the Q&A session in the coming AGM on 24 September 2016.
Sadly I am not able to attend the AGM due to another appointment on 24 September 2016.
You may refer to my enquiries to ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad as follows:
1) Relative Poor Performance of the Fund from 2011 to 2016
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ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad
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2016
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2015
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2014
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2013
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2012
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2011
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Cash Level
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303,481,263
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257,951,378
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240,390,544
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208,005,028
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133,735,511
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115,907,950
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Investment
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126,022,371
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145,596,798
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185,731,507
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209,700,211
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262,657,722
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270,506,528
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Total Valuation
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429,503,634
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403,548,176
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426,122,051
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417,705,239
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396,393,233
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386,414,478
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% Cash VS Total Valuation
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71%
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64%
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56%
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50%
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34%
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30%
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Based on the figures extracted from the annual report, the Compounding Annual Growth Rate of total investment plus cash and cash equivalents since year 2011 to 2016 is performed poorly at a CAGR of 1.78% per annum which is almost equivalent to non-performance at all or in another terms, basically wasted 6 years opportunity to grow the fund for the benefit of shareholders. Not every shareholders have a lot of 6 years to wait.
Kindly address and explain why has the fund performed so poorly for the past 6 years.
2) Increased Management and Advisory Fees
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ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad
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2016
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2015
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2014
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2013
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2012
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2011
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Management & Advisory fee
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6,150,684
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6,374,708
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6,218,982
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6,179,782
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5,789,726
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5,105,346
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The management & advisory fee has been increasing at an annual compounding rate of 3.15%, while the performance of the investment fund is only growth at CAGR of 1.78% as highlight in my question No. 1. The growth rate of management and advisory fee is not in-line with the growth of the fund, while the growth pace of management & advisory fee is getting higher than the fund’s performance. (CAGR of Management & Advisory Fee = 3.15% > CAGR of Cash plus Investment = 1.78%)
Kindly address and explain why the CAGR of the increase in Management & Advisory Fee is higher and comparatively faster than the CAGR growth of the Cash plus Investment of ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad.
3) Increased in Impairment Loss on Investment
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ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad
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2016
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2015
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2014
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2013
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2012
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2011
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Impairment loss
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12,506,585
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2,392,124
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513,988
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-
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-
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-
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The impairment loss of the fund’s investment has been on an increasing trend. Especially for Boustead Holdings Berhad which is currently sit at an unrealised loss of RM2,177,080 and yet to be impaired.
a) What is the rationale for not impairing the remaining RM2,177,080 of Boustead Holdings Berhad although almost similar amount (RM2,392,124) has being impaired for Malaysia Smelting Corporation Berhad? Does this practice comply with the Malaysian Financial Reporting Standards?
b) The Fund has great opportunity to sell both Boustead Holdings Berhad and Parkson Holdings Berhad during year 2011 where both companies’ share were valued at peak of RM40,073,148 and RM54,901,782, however, the opportunity was not properly seize by the management and resulting in significant losses after 5 years.
Did the management of ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad constantly followed up on the companies in their portfolio such as regular company visit or meeting with their management?
What are the policies and steps to be taken by the management to avoid making such wrong decision in future?
4) Comparison of ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad vs Berkshire Hathaway
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As at 31 July Each Year
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2016
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2015
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2014
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2013
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2012
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2011
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Berkshire Hathaway ($)
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216,000
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214,000
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188,124
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173,900
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127,445
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111,500
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ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad (RM)
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2.29
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2.28
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2.46
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2.40
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2.24
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2.16
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After peruse through several years of ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad’s annual report, I noticed that the management loves to compare the Fund’s performance against Berkshire Hathaway since both funds are closed-end fund.
The table above clearly explains the significant gap in performance of the both fund. If a person invested in both fund respectively, the CAGR of Berkshire Hathaway’s Share is 11.65% compared against the relative sluggish performance of ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad’s 0.98% from year 2011 to 2016.
Which means ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad has not performed at all for the past 6 years. This lead us back to the justification whether the management and advisory fees are commensurate for the poor performance of ICAPITAL.Biz Berhad.
Kindly address this issue and advise the management next course of action in order to improve in the Fund’s performance or reduce the management and advisory fees that reflects the actual performance of the fund.
Does the directors of ICAPITAL.BIZ Berhad review the fund manager performance in a periodic basis? What is the directors’ yardstick on the measurement of fund manager’s performance?
Or in a much serious scenario, if the fund still perform poorly in the coming years, have the board ever consider replace the fund manager or liquidate the fund that will give a higher return for the benefit of shareholders?
Regards,
A Very Concerned Shareholder
Tan Tuan Phin
Posted by M.A. Wind
http://cgmalaysia.blogspot.my/2016/09/open-letter-to-icapitalbiz-berhad_21.html
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Do not listen to the voice to ask you sell instead of question the management if you have the option. Why someone ask you to sell at cheap instead you can fire the management and bring back your money at RM3? I believe if COL successfully appoint a director into the board and do something like re-appoint new fund manager, setup new KPI for TTB, share buy back etc , the share price will start moving up.
2016-09-22 12:18
wahaha! laugh die me. Openly said TTB not competence. wow, look bad on him
2016-09-22 12:48
ya, so much cash, they can share buy back to push up it, or he waiting ICAP also crash or in crisis...as he aware he no more golden finger?
2016-09-22 12:51
i suggest icap investors try to liase with City of London, contact them to work together to kick ttb out. as a collective, the support against the arrogant, staff abusing fund manager that is ttb, will work. not too late. agm this saturday
2016-09-22 13:10
Posted by nhy6 > Sep 22, 2016 10:26 AM | Report Abuse
u hold so many shares u dont make money. u r so stress u hav to do so much work. simple advice sell your shares n have a happy life!!!!
Hello,Tan Teng Boo, early morning already come to peep at this forum to see people talk bad about you. It shows you are more stress than me. I just came back from lunch with friends but you are already there to peep our discussions, sorry hor not able to entertain you on time. Never mind lah, i think you will drop by to peep at this forum soon. For your information, As a investor, life is rather boring, so must kay poh chi fund manager abit. to make fun lah especially Icap Bhd AGM is around the corner , talk bad about you with fingers on keyboards so that more icap investors will "taruk" you during AGM. make hard time for you . sooo Happy and I enjoy it
2016-09-22 13:22
the last Agm (Icap ) everybody voted for TTB. Just wait and see this round any firefight
2016-09-22 14:29
As a professional fund manager, even crisis also can make money do not talk about "cash is king" such a crappy statement.
The fund already lose the opportunity to make shareholders' money to work for shareholders! Why people want to invest in the stock if they can put in FD to earn interest with super low risk? Think about it.
2016-09-22 14:36
to table a motion under other matters. you need to submit the Q in writing
before the AGM
2016-09-22 14:37
One question can ask in the AGM is why TTB misjudge the market, misjudge not one year but successive for five years. What is the correction action by the BOD?
2016-09-22 14:51
a broken clock pointing twelve would also be correct twice a day. TTB's bullshit crisis talk of course will come through one day, then he will come out and claim credit. at least the ethical way would have been benchmarking his fees against the fund performance
2016-09-22 14:55
Posted by Cipta > Sep 22, 2016 02:51 PM | Report Abuse
One question can ask in the AGM is why TTB misjudge the market, misjudge not one year but successive for five years. What is the correction action by the BOD?
This is correct way to rectify the problems faced by shareholders. every Shareholders must stand up to ask pertinent questions and company must accomodate and satisfy them. if not what is the point having AGM.
If he misread economy a year or 2 is excusable but for continues 5 or 6 years. That fund manager must either 'cha sai' or totally incompetent. for a fund house with this type of fund manager 'die lah"
For further more, his job is to review and search for valued companies like our KC chong doing not every days talk world economics problems.
2016-09-22 15:06
Even if you don't know English, during Q and A ,you can ask questions in Chinese, Malay and Tamil. A good Company will stand by interpreters, if not some helpful shareholders will help you. don't worry , think of your questions and ask him thoroughly why he miss the opportunity in last 5-6 years. or is he sleeping on his job as I guess.
Company also has to find time for Q & A . Please don't cut short the Q & A time. Don't be threaten by him time for venue is limited. That is the main purpose of having AGM.
Unlike what he do now, organise Seminars and other companies exhibitions which i think is a distractions to current shareholders.
Why shareholders money is used to sponsor rubbish events and exhibitions. All these activities are throwing shareholders money into the drain.
2016-09-22 15:20
Posted by stonebridge > Sep 22, 2016 02:36 PM | Report Abuse
As a professional fund manager, even crisis also can make money do not talk about "cash is king" such a crappy statement.
The fund already lose the opportunity to make shareholders' money to work for shareholders! Why people want to invest in the stock if they can put in FD to earn interest with super low risk? Think about it.
As I said before, now you can see he is a half past 6 fund manager. Only this type of fund manager is waiting for market crash.
2016-09-22 15:24
the problem lies with people who attend AGm. Most shareholders ( majority) are not prepared to ask Q. Only a minority are there to ask. hopefully we can see better participation this year
2016-09-22 15:25
I think its poor performance is the main issue la (e.g. he made a very very wrong call on Parkson). I vaguely remembered last time they said the exhibition is not sponsored by the fund money (shareholder money) but it is paid by the fund mgmt house.
Can we try benchmark his fees (ard 1.5%) to be excessively high compared to peers? Can we try benchmark his poor performance against some high-performing local fund so we know the gap?
2016-09-22 15:42
Must declare I don't hold any share here but curious bcos the strategy involved here is wait for a deep market collapse and cream the investments on recovery, and claim also, credit for wise action. Then beat the chest and shout like Tarzan and add Warren to my name. The present loser will eventually be a winner, but the never ending boom market will delay this for a bit yet.
Hard to believe that so many clever people can be stuck here for so long. Most of you could have done much better on your own. For now, it is not about what questions to ask at the AGM, but to ask yourselves what you should do NOW. I'd walk away and find a new promising company to place the money or put it under my pillow. By the sequence of events, just imagine what would happen to the share price if the market collapses.
2016-09-22 15:47
Posted by ckkhen > Sep 21, 2016 09:51 PM | Report Abuse
Regarding dividend, TTB says no problem as long as majority of shareholders want it. But so far no takers.
City of London (15.7%) is the only active one. The other 14% US Fund managers keep quiet only. So do most Malaysian shareholders.
If nothing positive comes out in the AGM which I am attending, I'll sell out gradually, after all my average price is 1.81. Better take care of myself first. I advise others to cut loss if need be.
Ckken, keep in touch in I3 investors forum. Sarawak Reports Editor Clare Rewcastle Brown with internate facility only can have a good fight with our untouchable MO1. Why with internate around ,you can't fight for your rights.
Tell you, one day you may get a surprise that City of London Fund management may contact you through their brokers and buy from you off market. If they accumulate their shareholding more than 33.3% in Icap Bhd , they can buy up the whole Icap bhd at their last traded price. This is what TTB is most worrying about.
If Icap share price still persist at yesterday's closing price, that means whole Icap bhd's Market capitalization 2.35 * 144,000,000 = $338,400,000.
while RAV worth $3.13 * 144,000,000 = $450,720,000
$450,720,000 less $338,400,000 =$112,320,000 (surplus)
The surplus is the meat worth chewing.
I don't mind wait for their calls even though my shareholdings are much smaller than yours. I don't mind sell to them at lower price.
2016-09-22 15:53
MG9231,
Are you attending the meeting? If you do, would like to meet you?
Calvin Tan says u re for Johore? In 2013, I remember a family from Johore(?) questioned TTB re why we were still not millionaires in spite of promising we would be soon. TTB gave bad replies to this family.
2016-09-22 16:13
Simple ma one is manage by Warren buffett and another one is manage by.....
2016-09-22 16:18
I have emailed KCChong's poor icap performance comment (from a recent article re unit trust/fund management) to icap Q&A at AGM so I am waiting for TTB's reply. KC's report is very accurate re poor CAGR return. By answering the questions posed (poor performane since last 5 yrs especially), then we will see what he intends to do next.
2016-09-22 16:28
ckkhen,
i am not the one mentioned by you. in fact, he practically teased every one who raised questions against his wishes during AGM.
2016-09-22 17:00
Actually, high liquidity strategy is not a bad plan at the moment. I myself also about 50% equity, 25% bonds and 25% cash. The problem is his management fee is too considering the current inactivity of the fund.
2016-09-22 17:21
If he cares with shareowners (words used by him as if he is concerned the well being of shareholders) feeling, he should initial cutting his management and advisory fees long ago to compensate his mis-judgement.
he knows well he is underperformed in his duty and his mistake but he is damn thick skin. He talks only but more concern his own pocket.
2016-09-22 17:27
Don't ask him about his investment strategy (high cash). that's his job as manager. He will just reply current valuations of good companies are too high, not worth to invest. Just attack him on why is his management fee still so high despite his main job is to rollover FD/STMMD everyday.
2016-09-22 17:31
when market Good, it keep increase cash level, I'm sure, he will pick the falling knife when market BAD. Just like Old Man say: Good Market you cannot earn $$ what are you expect when BAD market coming? will it earn $$ at BAD market!! sure lost underwear.
2016-09-22 17:32
Icap tan day day preach value investing, keep saying crash coming, secretly curi minority fd interest. Shame him on agm
2016-09-22 17:41
Posted by Zea XG > Sep 22, 2016 05:31 PM | Report Abuse
Don't ask him about his investment strategy (high cash). that's his job as manager. He will just reply current valuations of good companies are too high, not worth to invest. Just attack him on why is his management fee still so high despite his main job is to rollover FD/STMMD everyday.
You are perfectly correct.
A gentleman would admit mistake for his mis-judgement in market readings.
Ask for forgiveness and initial his pay-cut in his management and advisory fees.
I notice, a lot of shareholders already raise their concern why cash level are increasing since last 5 years. He has given is standard answer that recession will come very soon. Stand by cash to buy at the market crash.
2016-09-22 17:49
Please read my posting @ 3.47. Almost everybody with a defeatist strategy for Sat. Good luck all. I'll be reading the postings on Monday
2016-09-22 18:07
invest with me or OTB better.
He get over 200% in 2 years
I am not so good, get 50% last yr, 27% this yr.
2016-09-22 18:19
mua hahahaha.....still better than u invest in dragon stocks in KLCI loh...he drive BMW520, u pay. mua hahahaha....
2016-09-22 20:55
Posted by Johnnys > Sep 22, 2016 05:32 PM | Report Abuse
when market Good, it keep increase cash level, I'm sure, he will pick the falling knife when market BAD. Just like Old Man say: Good Market you cannot earn $$ what are you expect when BAD market coming? will it earn $$ at BAD market!! sure lost underwear.
I CAN'T AGREE MORE OF WHAT YOU SAID.
That is the reason I anticipate a budget of $65m must allocated for his management and advisory fees if recession really comes true. All cash saving are meant for him only. His naïve n loyal shareholders who listened to him and allocated majority of their wealth in this counter will cry then.
2016-09-22 21:10
Most of the int incomes goes to his fee....he can spend another 6 years to wait for market crash....can u?
2016-09-22 21:17
Posted by dusti > Sep 22, 2016 03:47 PM | Report Abuse
Must declare I don't hold any share here but curious bcos the strategy involved here is wait for a deep market collapse and cream the investments on recovery, and claim also, credit for wise action. Then beat the chest and shout like Tarzan and add Warren to my name. The present loser will eventually be a winner, but the never ending boom market will delay this for a bit yet.
Hard to believe that so many clever people can be stuck here for so long. Most of you could have done much better on your own. For now, it is not about what questions to ask at the AGM, but to ask yourselves what you should do NOW. I'd walk away and find a new promising company to place the money or put it under my pillow. By the sequence of events, just imagine what would happen to the share price if the market collapses.
In any investment theory, knowing the key management personnel is the utmost importance factors to be considered before parting your hard earned money in the investee companies.
How you know their characters? will they take care of shareholders, willing to work hard for the benefit of shareholders or preaching one things and doing it is another thing. Do they keep their promises? Draw a big cake on the wall and bluff the ways through while find ways to curi company's fund.
Only history will tell you. Do icap Bhd has a long history? latest 6 yrs clearly show it to me. So, I am lo lo soh soh to tell the characters of fund managers of Icap Bhd. His true colour to myself as well as newbie. Put it in record in i3 investors for future newbie's reference.
Investment is not a matter of winning and losing of money and wrap it up by just walking away.
At least you know the reasons why and when times come you know how to handle the investee co.
Can Tan Teng Boo convince you by saying don't know the reasons why he lost a lot of money on Parkson ? Parkson not his test and just walk away after holding it since inception of Icap bhd. he even average it last year.
2016-09-22 21:38
dusti, u talk sense.
For now, it is not about what questions to ask at the AGM, but to ask yourselves what you should do NOW. I'd walk away and find a new promising company to place the money or put it under my pillow.
ha...ha... u decide 2 buy, u decide 2 sell. dusti is rite, so many clever people here. like mg9231, keep f*king Ttb still keep so many icap shares....duh? sounds like icapshit!!! 2 also full of shit...ha...ha
2016-09-22 21:43
nhy6, what investors should do now is vote to close down the fund. so pls stop shitting urself.
2016-09-22 22:01
Why so difficult to cari SYT as CEO ... take rest lah ... want 2 c fresh face 4 a change !!!
2016-09-22 22:13
Posted by nhy6 > Sep 22, 2016 09:43 PM | Report Abuse
dusti, u talk sense.
For now, it is not about what questions to ask at the AGM, but to ask yourselves what you should do NOW. I'd walk away and find a new promising company to place the money or put it under my pillow.
ha...ha... u decide 2 buy, u decide 2 sell. dusti is rite, so many clever people here. like mg9231, keep f*king Ttb still keep so many icap shares....duh? sounds like icapshit!!! 2 also full of shit...ha...ha
Tan Teng boo lagi datang sini peep again, selamat petang.
Nothing much to do in the eve of icap bhd AGM , must talk bad on him so more shareholders will spit on him during AGM lah
I attended Icap AGM before listen to Tan teng Boo teased and talk bad about Malaysia. How stupid the BN leadars manage Malaysia, Blah blah...
Why are you, tan teng boo still stay and live in Malaysia today. you should migrate long ago. You bastard, don't do what you preach.
You list Icap Bhd in KlSE, if you have guts, just tell loudly during coming AGM to all shareholders "if you don't like Icap Bhd, talk bad about Tan Teng Boo ,just sell it", I will be there to listen your this sentence.
I fuck you dare.
2016-09-22 22:37
nhy6
ha...ha... u decide 2 buy, u decide 2 sell. dusti is rite, so many clever people here. like mg9231, keep f*king Ttb still keep so many icap shares....duh? sounds like icapshit!!! 2 also full of shit...ha...ha
nhy6,
mana boleh, tan teng boo, sudah goyang kah,
You don't read it properly my thred above , I plan to sell it to City of London ..
2016-09-22 22:41
lol nhy6, not everybody is like u. i know u stare at the computer 24/7 waiting and thinking how to reply. think people so free to reply you right away? something wrong with ur brains la. ur comments are all haywire and directionless. u are of no value.
2016-09-22 22:50
Nhy6 Tan Teng Boo,
Investor MG9231 is not a newbie lah, no need to rely on you for tips ,or your toilet paper subscription for idea lah, not need poh your lam pah , you know but able to talk bad about you lah.
Investors just load a few timber and palm oil company this morning still have a lot of time to cerita your "lousy waiting game" stretagy, you will be catching a falling knifes lah. Why tunggu sampi tak habis habis, now timber and oil palm companies already have value, why still waiting. May be next few months sudah boleh havest.
MG9231 don't have to be an economy expert to buy share lah
you think MG9231 rely on you, you didn't ask Calvin properly kah, You already know ajiya bhd alone MG9231 made millions.
If rely on your icap Bhd alone, MG9231 already lapar sampai mati lah.
2016-09-22 22:59
It is weird to hear someone asking SHARE-OWNER to leave the company instead of firing non-performing MANAGER whom is makan gaji in the company.
2016-09-22 23:08
That nhy6 is in fact nick name of Tan Teng Boo, mana ada standard. everybody can see it.
Investors normally are so free until "Yeo lam pah and nothing to do or do nothing, after execute order, talk nonsense lah.
Who ask your company icap Bhd list in bursa? and let MG9231 bought it, If you don't let Mg9231 bought and hold it, then boh tai chi lah, he will not let others know your lousy standard lah. Know economy term half past 6 , only know recession but don't know opportunity cost.
mati lio, must let a lot of shareholders curse you in coming AGM . Yet you blame people buy your company shares.
Tan Teng BOO, let me MG9231 tell you lah, if you worry Mg9231 and other talk bad about you, the correct way is to privatise it and keep all icap bhd shares with your mistress lah. as simple as that.
Mg9231 first time heard the top manager chase away shareholders lah, very ashamed of you in investment industry lah.
2016-09-22 23:18
Posted by Cipta > Sep 22, 2016 11:08 PM | Report Abuse
It is weird to hear someone asking SHARE-OWNER to leave the company instead of firing non-performing MANAGER whom is makan gaji in the company.
look at his standard, don't you agree. nothing different from Samseng or gangsters lah.
he can threatening newbies or new investors, but not Mg9231.
Initially, he acts as so humble and different to other company by addressing shareholders as shareowners. I was impressed. But, today everybody can see his true colour lah.
2016-09-22 23:27
A laughing stock at end of the day, underperformed fund manager Tan Teng Boo @ nhy6 is chasing away investors who invest and talk bad about him and his company where he holds the position as fund manager 2 days before Icap Bhd AGM.
2016-09-22 23:41
TTB once upon wanted to hire me as his staff at his old office in Brickfield. I wonder why ??? with my qualification , i am not qualified lah!!
TTB likes to give prediction that the market will drop.
Maybe he can escape loh!!
he is always bad mouth for many years!
2016-09-22 23:50
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Posted by nhy6 > Sep 22, 2016 10:26 AM | Report Abuse
u hold so many shares u dont make money. u r so stress u hav to do so much work. simple advice sell your shares n have a happy life!!!
I believe that guy is not stress at all, and the work from the post above looks very simple and clear cut, doesnt really take much work and already reflect the weakness in TTB managing ICAP.
What you are saying is just similarly like Malaysian Politician that tell other races to go back their own country when they are not happy with their government. Does the people (shareholder) not able to question the government (management) in their performance?
Somehow i feel u are more stress, people comment more on the ICAP weakness the more u want to argue, are u scared of ICAP share price dropping more? You might make more right now if the shareholder are able to dissolve the fund and get back their money right now.
2016-09-22 11:45