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2 months ago | Report Abuse

How to monitor Nestle's performance?

Look at its profit margins.

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2024-04-23 08:08 | Report Abuse

QL
Fiscal year is April-March.
All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
SALES/REVENUES 6,243.00 5,236.00 4,379.00 4,156.00 3,619.00
GROSS INCOME 1,254.00 902.00 870.00 826.00 687.00
NET INCOME 347.00 217.00 312.00 239.00 217.00
NOSH (DILUTED) 2,434.00 2,434.00 2,434.00 2,434.00 2,434.00
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FREE CASH FLOW 345.52 218.42 223.20 67.75 -49.67
DIVIDENDS 170.36 85.18 73.01 73.01 73.01
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TOTAL EQUITY (Book Value) 2,888.00 2,706.00 2,546.00 2,091.00 2,014.00
TOTAL ASSET 5,285.00 4,957.00 4,877.00 4,096.00 3,708.00
RETAINED EARNINGS 2,103.00 1,933.00 1,803.00 1,566.00 1,412.00
TOTAL 5 YR RETAINED EARNINGS 691.00
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Fiscal year 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
GROSS PROFIT MARGIN 20.09% 17.23% 19.87% 19.87% 18.98%
NET PROFIT MARGIN 5.6% 4.1% 7.1% 5.8% 6.0%
ASSET TURNOVER 1.26 1.07 1.07 1.12 #DIV/0!
FINANCIAL LEVERAGE 1.83 1.92 1.96 1.84 #DIV/0!
ROA 7.0% 4.4% 7.6% 6.4% #DIV/0!
ROE 12.8% 8.5% 14.9% 11.9% #DIV/0!
DPO RATIO 0.49 0.39 0.23 0.31 0.34
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FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
PRICE 6.37 5.51 4.6 6.12 5.57
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MARKET CAP 15,504.58 13,411.34 11,196.40 14,896.08 13,557.38
NAPS 1.19 1.11 1.05 0.86 0.83
EPS 0.14 0.09 0.13 0.10 0.09
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P/B 5.37 4.96 4.40 7.12 6.73
P/E 44.68 61.80 35.89 62.33 62.48
EARNINGS YIELD 2.24% 1.62% 2.79% 1.60% 1.60%
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FCF YIELD 2.23% 1.63% 1.99% 0.45% -0.37%
DIVIDEND YIELD 1.10% 0.64% 0.65% 0.49% 0.54%


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2024-04-22 19:46 | Report Abuse

Quality: GREAT
Management: Very good. Profit margins maintained. ROE high.
Valuation: ----

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2024-04-22 19:45 | Report Abuse

GREAT COMPANY. Revenue grew the last 5 years, though showing a decline over the last 3 years. Generating a lot of free cash flows. DPO ratio is 0.97.

At present price, it is not cheap. Those buying at present price will need to be convinced that this company can grow its revenues and earnings over the next 5 years to 10 years, consistently; introducing a bit of speculation into their buying of this company at present price.

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2024-04-22 19:41 | Report Abuse

INARI

FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
PRICE 3.04 2.61 3.89 2.76 1.68

MARKET CAP 11,336.16 9,630.90 12,973.15 8,928.60 5,409.60
NAPS 0.70 0.68 0.41 0.37 0.35
EPS 0.09 0.11 0.10 0.05 0.06

ROE 12.43% 15.57% 23.97% 12.90% 17.11%
ROA 10.92% 13.51% 18.13% 10.66% 14.33%
P/B 4.35 3.84 9.42 7.39 4.82
P/E 34.99 24.63 39.31 57.23 28.18
EARNINGS YIELD 2.86% 4.06% 2.54% 1.75% 3.55%
FCF YIELD 2.70% 4.09% 2.99% 2.89% 1.60%
DIVIDEND YIELD -3.02% -4.50% -1.68% -1.58% -3.91%

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2024-04-22 19:39 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019 5 Yr AVG
GROSS PROFIT MARGIN 26.22% 30.36% 29.67% 20.42% 23.33% 26.00%
NET PROFIT MARGIN 23.93% 25.26% 23.09% 14.74% 16.65% 20.74%
ASSET TURNOVER 0.46 0.53 0.79 0.72 0.86 0.67
FINANCIAL LEVERAGE 1.14 1.15 1.32 1.21 1.19 1.20
ROA 10.92% 13.51% 18.13% 10.66% 14.33% 13.51%
ROE 12.43% 15.57% 23.97% 12.90% 17.11% 16.40%
DPO RATIO -1.06 -1.11 -0.66 -0.90 -1.10 -0.97

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2024-04-22 19:39 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019 5 Yr AVG
GROSS PROFIT MARGIN 26.22% 30.36% 29.67% 20.42% 23.33% 26.00%
NET PROFIT MARGIN 23.93% 25.26% 23.09% 14.74% 16.65% 20.74%
ASSET TURNOVER 0.46 0.53 0.79 0.72 0.86 0.67
FINANCIAL LEVERAGE 1.14 1.15 1.32 1.21 1.19 1.20
ROA 10.92% 13.51% 18.13% 10.66% 14.33% 13.51%
ROE 12.43% 15.57% 23.97% 12.90% 17.11% 16.40%
DPO RATIO -1.06 -1.11 -0.66 -0.90 -1.10 -0.97

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2024-04-22 19:39 | Report Abuse

INARI 20.4.2024

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
SALES/REVENUES 1,354.00 1,548.00 1,429.00 1,058.00 1,153.00
GROSS INCOME 355.00 470.00 424.00 216.00 269.00
NET INCOME 324 391 330 156 192
NOSH (DILUTED) 3,729 3,690 3,335 3,235 3,220

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Thousands. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
FREE CASH FLOW 305,964 394,097 387,373 257,642 86,493
DIVIDENDS 342,383 433,169 217,962 140,772 211,621

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
TOTAL EQUITY (Book Value) 2,606.00 2,511.00 1,377.00 1,209.00 1,122.00
TOTAL ASSET 2,967.00 2,895.00 1,820.00 1,464.00 1,340.00

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2024-04-22 17:56 | Report Abuse

This company's business is very challenging. In my book, it remains a gruesome company.

Many years ago, it was struggling and for a period, its business became good for a period. A turnaround stock, during the global financial crisis. The other cocoa processors in Europe and US were facing difficulties financially and GCB benefitted during that period.

To grow, it requires a lot of capital. Profit margins are thin and volatile. Need to hedge the cocoa price which can be extremely volatile. The management, I recalled, hedge the cocoa price by stocking up with each contract received: thus ensuring a profitable transaction in the process.

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2024-04-22 17:52 | Report Abuse


Fiscal year is January-December. All values MYR Thousands. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
NET INCOME 139,143.00 188,081.40 196,759.90 267,319.90 266,860.60
D&A - 64283.4 62329 55787.6 32048
FUNDS FROM OPERATIONS -352,049.00 241,038.40 189,593.50 254,326.40 268,969.90
CWC -429,208.00 36,669.50 -268,727.20 -163,273.90 -362,669.20
NOCF -781,257.00 277,707.90 -79,133.70 91,052.40 -93,699.20
CAPEX -164,522.00 -274,821.70 -174,311.50 -212,459.90 -64,401.70
FREE CASH FLOW -945,779.00 2,886.30 -253,445.20 -121,407.50 -158,100.90
DIVIDENDS - -70,035.50 -36,276.20 -20,447.60 -33,971.70

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2024-04-22 07:24 | Report Abuse

King of Analabs has done well, assuming he has been holding this stock since more than a decade ago.

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2024-04-22 06:48 | Report Abuse

King of Insas and Analabs 😀😀

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2024-04-22 06:46 | Report Abuse

The best way to avoid being scammed is to simply ignore unknown calls, as this completely removes the risk of being cheated over the phone.

Agree completely.

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2024-04-21 22:31 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
GROSS PROFIT MARGIN 4.68% 15.81% 13.60% 13.28% 33.15%
NET PROFIT MARGIN -0.32% -4.07% -2.49% -12.88% -3.20%
ASSET TURNOVER 0.37 0.33 0.34 0.31 0.47
FINANCIAL LEVERAGE 3.53 3.63 3.34 3.98 2.58
ROA -0.12% -1.34% -0.84% -3.97% -1.51%
ROE -0.41% -4.85% -2.80% -15.82% -3.90%



FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
PRICE 0.24 0.13 0.20 0.17 0.22

MARKET CAP (MILLION) 270.02 148.72 215.40 181.39 234.74
NAPS (BV) 2.10 2.14 2.65 2.46 3.10
EPS -0.01 -0.10 -0.07 -0.39 -0.12

ROE -0.41% -4.85% -2.80% -15.82% -3.90%
ROA -0.12% -1.34% -0.84% -3.97% -1.51%
P/B 0.11 0.06 0.08 0.07 0.07
P/E -27.00 -1.25 -2.69 -0.44 -1.82
EARNINGS YIELD -3.70% -80.02% -37.14% -228.79% -54.95%
FCF YIELD 273.32% 164.74% 427.58% 10.47% -10.22%
DIVIDEND YIELD 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%

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2024-04-21 22:26 | Report Abuse

PARKSON
Fiscal year is January-December. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
Net Income before Extraordinaries 111 -160 -58 -520 -24
Funds from Operations 939 603 1,184 611 212
Changes in Working Capital -140 -293 -92 -468 -114
Net Operating Cash Flow 799 310 1,091 142 98
Capital Expenditures -61 -65 -170 -123 -121
Free Cash Flow 738 245 921 19 -24



Fiscal year is January-December. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
TOTAL EQUITY 2,417 2,453 2,854 2,624 3,311
TOTAL ASSET 8,526 8,893 9,544 10,456 8,536

CASH AND EQUIVALENT 1,514 1,359 1,348 1,520 1,952
ST DEBT & CURRENT PORTION OF LT DEBT 781 834 1,831 1,054 189
LT DEBT 3,431 3,752 2,809 4,926 2,307
TOTAL DEBT 4,212 4,586 4,640 5,980 2,496
NET CASH (DEBT) -2,698 -3,227 -3,292 -4,460 -544

ACCOUNT RECEIVABLE 599 422 415 323 356
ACCOUNT PAYABLE 1,284 683 879 769 1,078

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2024-04-21 21:45 | Report Abuse

Thanks. It belongs to my too difficult to understand file. :-)

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2024-04-21 21:40 | Report Abuse

COASTAL

FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
PRICE 1.50 2.47 1.37 0.69 1.32

MARKET CAP (MILLION) 828.04 1,311.93 718.63 364.59 696.27
NAPS (BV) 3.30 2.56 2.11 2.06 2.23
EPS 0.70 0.34 0.06 -0.20 0.03

ROE 21.07% 13.26% 2.93% -9.67% 1.22%
ROA 18.18% 8.94% 2.31% -6.75% 0.87%
P/B 0.45 0.97 0.65 0.34 0.59
P/E 2.16 7.28 22.20 -3.47 48.31
EARNINGS YIELD 46.38% 13.74% 4.51% -28.81% 2.07%
FCF YIELD 19.28% 4.93% -7.63% 9.91% 23.23%
DIVIDEND YIELD 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%

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2024-04-21 21:38 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
TOTAL EQUITY 1,823 1,359 1,105 1,086 1,177
TOTAL ASSET 2,112 2,016 1,399 1,556 1,648

CASH AND EQUIVALENT 185 239 275 524 503
ST DEBT & CURRENT PORTION OF LT DEBT 45 344 44 242 63
LT DEBT 43 120 50 35 231
TOTAL DEBT 88 464 94 277 294
NET CASH (DEBT) 97 -225 181 247 209

ACCOUNT RECEIVABLE 1,056 784 192 166 177
ACCOUNT PAYABLE 149 141 135 136 130



Balance Sheet is surprisingly strong.

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2024-04-21 18:38 | Report Abuse

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Stock: [YINSON]: YINSON HOLDINGS BHD

1 day ago | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is February-January. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
ACCOUNT RECEIVABLE 1,023 644 575 548 433
ACCOUNT PAYABLE 462 202 178 148 113

Long-Term Note Receivable 10,334 6,688 4,405 1,501 15


[Often, a business will allow customers to convert their overdue accounts (the business’ accounts receivable) into notes receivable. By doing so, the debtor typically benefits by having more time to pay.]

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Can someone help dissecting the > 10b long term notes receivables?

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2024-04-21 18:26 | Report Abuse

Who is the sifu?

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2024-04-21 14:34 | Report Abuse

3 types of companies: Gruesome, Good and Great

Padini falls into my category of a great company.
Consistent and growing earnings.
Good gross profit margins and net profit margins.
Healthy earnings that translate into a lot of cash from operations.
Generates a lot of FCF.
Paying dividends (DP0 over the 5 years was 0.42)
Capex is < 25% of its net earnings.

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2024-04-21 14:28 | Report Abuse

FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023
PRICE 3.44

MARKET CAP (MILLION) 2,263.52

ROE 21.44%
ROA 13.39%
P/B 2.18
P/E 10.15
EARNINGS YIELD 9.85%
DIVIDEND YIELD 3.34%

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2024-04-21 14:27 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is July-June.
All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
CASH AND EQUIVALENT 605 809 524 441 472
ST DEBT & CURRENT PORTION OF LT DEBT 94 74 76 91 21
LT DEBT 367 318 317 432 2
TOTAL DEBT 461 392 393 523 23
NET CASH (DEBT) 144 417 131 -82 449

ACCOUNT RECEIVABLE 40 40 48 42 52
ACCOUNT PAYABLE 92 127 38 58 102

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2024-04-21 14:23 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
NET PROFIT MARGIN 12.24% 11.68% 5.25% 5.54% 8.97%
ASSET TURNOVER 1.09 0.88 0.81 0.97 1.87
FINANCIAL LEVERAGE 1.60 1.68 1.59 1.83 1.29
ROA 13.39% 10.31% 4.24% 5.36% 16.74%
ROE 21.44% 17.28% 6.73% 9.79% 21.62%

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2024-04-21 14:05 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Thousands. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
Funds from Operations 364,969.00 297,312.00 168,008.00 242,850.00 208,694.00
Changes in Working Capital -367,371.00 187,628.00 25,801.00 -79,349.00 -72,200.00
Inventories -304,480.00 80,481.00 53,701.00 -8,897.00 -28,669.00

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2024-04-21 14:02 | Report Abuse

PADINI 20.4.2024

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
TOTAL EQUITY (Book Value) 1,040.00 891.00 802.00 766.00 740.00
TOTAL ASSET 1,666.00 1,494.00 1,274.00 1,398.00 956.00

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
NET INCOME 223 154 54 75 160
NOSH (DILUTED) 658 658 658 658 658

Fiscal year is July-June. All values MYR Thousands. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
FREE CASH FLOW -28,870 469,249 188,795 152,158 109,611
DIVIDENDS -75,660 -65,791 -16,448 -49,343 -75,660

DPO RATIO 0.34 0.43 0.30 0.66 0.47

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2024-04-21 07:38 | Report Abuse

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Posted by Sslee > 1 minute ago | Report Abuse

Is 3iii implied Tong of theedgemalaysia who started this round of Insas spike up is the only one who has this tremendous insight that this stock is cheap and all the other people who are very active, smart and intelligent (3iii included) in the market are ignoring this company because of their ignorance or ego or prejudice or they are not smart enough?
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SSLee
Your interpretation is absolutely off the mark.
It is a general remark. Ask the right questions. The first question to ask when you find an extremely undervalued stock is obvious. Why is it so undervalued?

Is Parkson undervalued? I think its P/B is even lower. But then, many can give a lot of reasons why it should be so.

It is a check list to guide one on deciding whether this is a value trap or not a value trap. A very general, generic statement.

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2024-04-21 07:31 | Report Abuse

If they had identified Padini then, they would have a multi-bagger (5x to 6x) and all its dividends.
There is always an opportunity cost to every decision.
No right or wrong. Just trying to understand how we make decisions guided by our internal schema.
Read Think fast and think slow by Kahneman, an excellent book on understanding the process of thinking.

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2024-04-21 07:26 | Report Abuse

I believe many deep value investors in Insas in i3 bought when they were active participants in INVESTLAH FORUM. How many years have passed by?

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2024-04-21 07:24 | Report Abuse

P/B 0.27

So, when full value is realised, the investor gained 4 folds. When will this be realised? How much will be the gain (also uncertain)? These are among the limitations of deep value investing. OTOH, these bargains, by nature of their business, are less likely to grow into multi-baggers.

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2024-04-21 07:19 | Report Abuse

FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023
PRICE 1.00

MARKET CAP (MILLION) 663.02

ROE 4.91%
ROA 4.05%
P/B 0.27
P/E 5.40
EARNINGS YIELD 18.51%
DIVIDEND YIELD 2.50%


Some investors are attracted to this stock because it is so undervalued. Yes, it is undervalued and they are right.

VALUE TRAPS
How do you decide whether it is a value trap or not?

Value traps are statistically very cheap and very alluring.

First question to ask: “Why is God so kind on you that you are the only one who has this tremendous insight that this stock is cheap and all the other people who are very active, smart and intelligent in the market are ignoring this company?”

Is there an embedded growth optionality in the company? Can the company have a growth phase? Can the company come out with some new product offering which can introduce growth?

This is a dynamic exercise. You will need to revisit the hypothesis every now and again, at intervals.

Two characteristics of value traps are:

(1) They typically don’t tend to grow more than the nominal GDP
(2) They cannot reinvest their cash flow.

So the question you should ask is what is the catalyst which will change this and allow them to reinvest the capital which they are throwing off? In its absence, you have a classic example where the company had great cash flows and no catalyst.

Your sole focus of whether to participate in a seemingly value trap could be you calling out the catalyst that will catapult it out of this situation.

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2024-04-21 06:45 | Report Abuse

Thanks for sharing. This is the sort of discussion that will benefit this forum. Not the type that I had with a Singaporean.

This allows us to see the various views of different investors. Also, presenting the fundamentals and the narratives related to these fundamentals highlighted the important facts needed for one to make an intelligent decision.

We invest in different styles. Thus, it is alright to differ in opinions. You are right from your own perspectives. Afterall, it is your money and your decision is the one that matters.

Thanks for sharing. Fragility of the business environment is an issue I look at too in investing.

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2024-04-20 20:56 | Report Abuse

In some listed company, the insiders make more money from the fluctuations of the share prices than from the business profits and dividends.

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2024-04-20 20:53 | Report Abuse

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Sslee

Is 3iii saying those buying capA must be mad and silly gambler?

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Games people play. These are: positive sum games, negative sum games and zero sum games. Know how to play each of these games.

Important to choose the games you wish to play.

Know the probability of success and probability of failure of the game you wish to play. In investing, this is the upside:downside ratio. Even more importantly, is to understand the consequence of the various outcomes from the game.

In Russian roulette, the gun has 1 bullet and the probability of being killed by the bullet is 1:6. Given the consequence of the outcome, one will choose not to play even though the probability may be in your "favour". 😀

Play the game with the highest probability of success (upside:downside of > 3:1) and with a high probability of big rewards (e.g. compounding at >15% per year over 5 years, that is doubling every 5 years).

Stay inactive, observe and learn most of the time. Act decisively and courageously when opportunity presents.

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2024-04-20 20:37 | Report Abuse

Airlines continue to be gruesome businesses.

Long term stock investors shy away from this industry.

Those with the ability to gain from investing in these "special situations" can profit from it. Those without the skill should just look for 1 foot hurdle to jump. 😀

There is a difference between investing and speculating. There is also speculating intelligently and speculating foolishly. Gambling is different from investing and speculating.

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2024-04-20 20:30 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is January-December.
All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022
Sales/Revenue 14,772 6,437
Sales Growth 129.48% 282.50%
Cost of Goods Sold (COGS) incl. D&A 13,745 7,695
COGS excluding D&A 12,016 6,245
Depreciation & Amortization Expense 1,729 1,449
Depreciation 1,728 1,442
Amortization of Intangibles 1 8
COGS Growth 78.63% 83.65%
Gross Income 1,027 -1,257
Gross Income Growth 181.67% 49.84%
Gross Profit Margin 6.95% -
SG&A Expense 1,288 740
Other SG&A 1,288 740
SGA Growth 74.13% 30.07%
EBIT -261 -1,997
Unusual Expense 8 -494
Non Operating Income/Expense 2,017 -490
Non-Operating Interest Income 99 40
Interest Expense 1,298 1,005
Interest Expense Growth 29.18% 47.82%
Gross Interest Expense 1,298 1,005
Pretax Income 548 -2,958
Pretax Income Growth 118.51% 16.19%
Pretax Margin 3.71% -

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2024-04-20 20:21 | Report Abuse

FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023
PRICE 0.65

MARKET CAP (MILLION) 2,720.25

ROE -8.00%
ROA 3.00%
P/B -0.26
P/E 3.25
EARNINGS YIELD 30.77%
DIVIDEND YIELD #VALUE!

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2024-04-20 20:20 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is January-December.
All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
NET INCOME 837 -2,626 -2,991 -5,112 -316
NOSH (DILUTED) 4,185 4,053 3,786 3,342 3,342
FREE CASH FLOW 782 -373 -726 -2,259 1,792
DIVIDENDS #VALUE! #VALUE! #VALUE! #VALUE! 3,409

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2024-04-20 20:17 | Report Abuse

Fiscal year is January-December.
All values MYR Millions. 2023 2022 2021 2020 2019
TOTAL EQUITY -10,469 -9,517 -6,423 -3,570 2,911
TOTAL ASSET 27,907 19,928 20,030 19,866 25,595

CASH AND EQUIVALENT 703 470 1,257 533 2,588
ST DEBT & CURRENT PORTION OF LT DEBT 6,241 4,872 4,793 4,263 2,614
LT DEBT 17,444 13,123 11,812 9,461 10,275
TOTAL DEBT 23,685 17,995 16,605 13,724 12,889
NET CASH (DEBT) -22,982 -17,525 -15,348 -13,191 -10,301

ACCOUNT RECEIVABLE 878 334 308 309 178
ACCOUNT PAYABLE 1,546 1,243 1,306 1,420 601

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2024-04-20 19:51 | Report Abuse

Why do you choose to jump over a 7 feet hurdle? Choose the 1 foot hurdle?

(Of course, I assume Yinson is a 1 foot hurdle for SSLee but for me, it is a high hurdle for now. )😀

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2024-04-20 19:34 | Report Abuse

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Net Net Working Capital Formula – Further Analysis and Discussion:

Net Net Working Capital is a subset of Graham’s Net Working Capital and this is itself a subset of Net Working Capital (also known as Working Capital).

1) Net Working Capital = Current Assets – Current Liabilities

2) Graham’s Net Working Capital = Current Assets – Total Liabilities

3) Net Net Working Capital = Cash + Short Term Marketable Investments + Accounts Receivable * 75% + Inventory * 50% – Total Liabilities

Note that the results of each formula are presented in a decreasing order. That is to say Net Net Working Capital will provide the lowest and hence, most conservative, value.

In other words, all else being equal, of the three formulas above, a stock trading below Net Net Working Capital provides the investor with the largest margin of safety.

Value investing is about buying a stock at a sufficient discount to intrinsic value. Graham’s “Net Working Capital” or the “Net Net Working Capital” formulas can be used as preliminary screens to identify potentially undervalued stocks or deep value stocks.

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Even when using the net working capital or net-net working capital, Benjamin Graham still demanded a margin of safety, buying only when the market price is at least 30% below these values.

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2024-04-20 18:12 | Report Abuse

Net Net Working Capital Formula – Further Analysis and Discussion:
Net Net Working Capital is a subset of Graham’s Net Working Capital is a subset of Net Working Capital (also known as Working Capital).
1) Net Working Capital = Current Assets – Current Liabilities
2) Graham’s Net Working Capital = Current Assets – Total Liabilities
3) Net Net Working Capital = Cash + Short Term Marketable Investments + Accounts Receivable * 75% + Inventory * 50% – Total Liabilities
Note that the results of each formula are presented in a decreasing order. That is to say Net Net Working Capital will provide the lowest and hence, most conservative, value. In other words, all else being equal, of the three formulas above, a stock trading below Net N et Working Capital provides the investor with the largest margin of safety.
Value investing is about buying a stock at a sufficient discount to intrinsic value. Graham’s “Net Working Capital” or the “Net Net Working Capital” formulas can be used as preliminary screens to identify potentially undervalued stocks or deep value stocks.11

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2024-04-20 17:27 | Report Abuse

Summary: (my opinion)
Its business is challenging, requiring a lot of capital to grow.: it requires lots of working capital, and lots of capex for maintainance and growth.
Its debts are accordingly high and its interest high too. It has a debt of 11.5b compared to its equity of 4.7b.

I see a lot of business risk investing in this company.

I classify this company as at most a GOOD but not in the category of a GREAT business, the type I like.

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2024-04-20 17:17 | Report Abuse

YINSON

2019 TO 2023

Its net cash from operations were negative during this period.
It had huge capex during this period.

A great company is one that generates healthy consistent and growing earnings that translate into healthy cash flows from operations. A great company requires to spend <25% of its CFO on capex, thus generating a lot of FCF that can be used to pay down the debts, buy back its own shares, give dividends or invest to grow.

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2024-04-20 16:53 | Report Abuse

At market price of RM 2.35, its market cap is at RM 6.368 b.

Its ROA is 2.35% and its ROE 9.69%.
(I like company with ROA > 10% and leveraged < 1.5x. This company is highly leveraged too. Total Asset/Total Equity = 4.1x.)

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2024-04-20 16:49 | Report Abuse

YINSON

Its account receivable doubled from 2022 to 2023, in keeping with its doubling of its revenues over the same period.

Is the rising Long-term Note Receivable worrying? This has increased from 15m to 10.3b from 2019 to 2023.

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2024-04-20 16:46 | Report Abuse

YINSON

2019 to 2023
Though reporting profits from its operations, these are not so healthy profits, as these generated little cash. In fact, the company had to raise funds (through issuing new shares in 2023. Its total debt had increased from 4.7b to 11.5b during the last 5 years.

This company's operation destroyed cash. It was debt cash positive over the last 5 years and this had increased during the period.

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2024-04-20 16:42 | Report Abuse

YINSON
From 2019 to 2023
It grew its sales from RM 1b to RM 6.3b.
Its net income grew from 235m to 452m.
Gross profit margins shrunk from 55% to 28.3%.
Net profit margins shrunk from 22.7% to 7.15%.


Comments: It grew its business hugely. However, profit margins have shrunk.
A great company has a gross profit margin of >40% or more.
A great company has a net profit margin of 10% or 20% or more.

Why had its profit margins shrunk?

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2024-04-20 16:37 | Report Abuse

YINSON 19.4.2024

Fiscal year is February-January. All values MYR Millions. 2023
TOTAL EQUITY (Book Value) 4,666.00
TOTAL ASSET 19,259.00

Fiscal year is February-January. All values MYR Millions. 2023
NET INCOME 452
NOSH (DILUTED) 2,710

Fiscal year is February-January. All values MYR Millions. 2023
FREE CASH FLOW -2,752
DIVIDENDS -87

FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2023
PRICE 2.35

MARKET CAP (MILLION) 6,368.50

ROE 9.69%
ROA 2.35%
P/B 1.36
P/E 14.09
EARNINGS YIELD 7.10%
DIVIDEND YIELD 1.37%