How is Genting B valuing its 20% exposure in investment in Taurx? Is it at book cost or mark to market? Surely it can’t be mark to market as Genting would have much higher valuation!

There is much talk about foreign investors…sadly there are many more suitable better propose than companies out there in the global market than Genting, which fraught with insider dealing or should I say related party transactions ….we need more local medium term investors.

Thank you AngTaylor….interesting article. We know the whole drug approval process is fraught with corruption and power politics particularly in the US. There is conflict of interest for sure. I visited a Well known cardiologist in KL, he suddenly wanted me to try a new medicine…..questionable given I had no changes ….he was being paid by the pharmaceutical company to push this new medicine,which was a US company. Yes, the behaviour outlined in the article is prevalent. In case of Taurx, have they got the financial budget to pay somebody to get the regulatory approval? I would say they are more likely to get approval in U.K. than US, NHS, is struggling and looking for cheaper options than those in the market currently. NHS is simply not geared up to support patients that require invasive treatment and on going monitoring. Let’s see! Hope for the best.

Patience is a virtue. Let’s see what happens.

According to friend of mine associated with Medscape U.K. a medical journal. U.K. regulatory approval for Taurx is very likely this year! TAURX have accelerated pathway for approval. The question is when they get approval what will Genting share price do? A 20-30% pop is possible. Then usual profit takers would sell and this will be followed by another up lift from institutional investors when true impact is known. Being overweight in Genting is not a bad strategy.

Poor performance and rate of return is due to poor governance …..and related party transactions over th E years …leading to mistrust by the investing community. In addition there is never forward looking statements by the company …totally nit interested driven by single large owner of shares who is responsible for running the company …hence no incentive

Ha ha usual Genting….shareholders. It may time to sink in….but many lunch merchants will sell as it goes up for sure….if you believe in the strategy then hold as benefits of Taurx investment makes sense, perhaps for all,those patient investors we may have perfect lining …with other parts of Genting business

I wonder how Genting Berhad are currently valuing their investment in Taurx? At book cost or market value?

Very promising …indeed ….based in this regulatory approvals should be on the cards. However, we know FDA are funny bunch ….and lot of money is at stake…so unless willing to pay an handsome sum, getting approval may take some time …let’s hope TAURx team have insider connection.

Results are probably not good….impairments remember are creative accounting to get manage results. There is no interest in the management to let the price rise….no effort is being made….in fact quite the contrary, yes, market sentiments are poor, but if you look around globally the recovery stocks have recovered well….Genting is a very strange counter ….lot of small sellers may be acting in syndicate ….that what it looks like!

Insiders know the results and therefore are selling?

Sorry paying dividends alone does not mean it is blue chip! The dividend yield is relatively low compared to its sector…most people invested in the shares are hoping for good capital return.

Generally to stock suffers from poor governance. CEO salary is a classic example as well as share transactions mostly dumping following random announcements. Yet there is lot of foreign institutional shareholding. Wish Genting was US listed it would be forced to be more transparent and abide by good governance. Not that US is capital of good governance!

Please note …..both maybank and Genting group unlikely to collapse! Maybank is not an investment bank per se like US and some western banks. Investment exposure is limited and complex product manufacturing is pretty much zero. Only risk is bad debts. But it has plenty of cushion and governance is pretty good. Genting group is also low risk from being bankrupt given it is diversification and attractive portfolio. So please do t waste time talkimg about failing…this is an investment forum focus on the positive side. Maybank is income stock and Genting has the potential for significant capital growth …in the medium term…assuming the owner does not dump shares.

March to 5 is on! Unless people start selling for small gains. Not to mention insiders.

It won’t go up, as sellers who go for small gains will do as they always have done …sell. Won’t see much movement up is my two, pence worth. Only time it will shoot us is when TAUrx are successful in getting approval….Which May happen any time in the 2 half

What a load of bollocks!

Writing iPad is a nightmare …autocorrects ….incorrectly, what do you expect, it US product!

I forgot to add, constant bickering and petty fighting…..please take up MMA! The forum should be constructive in opinion but not vindictive…i am sure some of the views may add value actually, for some. Wish there was more discussion on the technical side, for example cash generation v profits which is more important, The use of impairments, is it a creative accounting, to perhaps right off value on Conservative basis to reduce profits attributable to tax? Should there be more disclosure in the accounts specifying each asset and reason for wrote down? These points worth talking and discussion. The other one though positive has been the talk on TAURX ….though some of the information has been useful, it has not been consistent with my medical friend in US who leads trails and obtains approval for one of the bigger Pharma’s. His view is positive and different to one expressed here…won’t mention any names. The reality is there is no guarantee….i for one am investing for this alone! So worth on dips if you have the liquidity, as the odds could be favourable!

For sure there are no investment experts here! All wannabes, either they hate a counter for whatever a reason or promote…..the reality is even the active professional institutional fund managers have not beaten a monkey with a dart! This is a fact? Also any one with millions to invest in worth their salt will not be spending time in this forum. Me I am curious foreigner, recommended by a local to observe behaviour. On investment matters, Genting, no different to any other stocks pretty much globally is suffering. If you follow US, HK and U.K., which I do the falls in prices are pretty much consistent, with some more reflecting specific risk factors such as high borrowing, political risks, etc. Genting group suffers addition risk that is owner May dump shares any time to buy something else like In the case of Musk for example. We know Genting boss has a habit of this, but no more than any other significant investor.

The whole market is in stress, inflation threat remains and further hike in interest in US being priced in…..nothing specific to Genting. All doomsters resurface when there is small, correction and justify the correction by quoting all,kind of things equally opposite happens when there is a rise! Genting share price is underperforming and should be 5.30 plus,,for sure, a catalyst is needed which might be TauRx

Cash flow v profits! …..which is more important? Profits are hit by non cash items, …..for genting post launch of Las Vegas resort depreciation is high …the question is when does it peak? As to impairment …check what impairment actually covers are caused by. If any of assets are are left idle and not be used the values carried in the books are adjusted to the fact that the asset is not generating revenue, hence impairment. One would think if all Genting s business are working and nit left idle, than impairments costs should be lower going forward! The unrealised x currency loss, is not realised and they move with x rate. It would be useful to know when depreciation for LVR peaks!

Taurx, has a real chance of being approved ….that’s what I have been told by a scientist in US who is responsible for one of the big Pharma’s trials…..given the exit of Billy Dunn, at the FDA, is also a big positive. Good news may come between 2-3rd quarter 2023. Shame Genting shares cannot be bought in US

Unless small holding sales are part of syndicate …..? Or programmed using algo!

Purchases are bigger number of shares history sales are small….same old story, it would be good to clear out the small holders….

Can’t imagine selling 100 or 200 shares can be economic!

Don’t completely discount HMTM! I have a contact at one of the big Pharma companies in US involved in drug trials and deals regularly with FDA…according to him whilst FDA are picky HMTM is promising despite the placebo issue and may get approval providing test result are replicated over a period. So it is very possible!

This forum is suppose to be for discussing and highlighting news on Genting which may impact share price positively or negatively in a constructive and respectful way. By definition, those of us and hopefully most of people in this form, (otherwise why waste time here) who are invested in Genting are positive on Genting. What we have now is constant bickering and personal attacks, on each other rendering this forum useless. Some of the information both negative and positive is cooked up. Sad state of affairs!

All this crap spoken by negative fools about gambling tax, banning Gambling etc etc…these guys have another agenda …….for sure

I personally think the results are not too bad, cash is being generated and operating conditions are working, the non cash flow items such impairments and depreciation are accounting related. The fact is Revenue is rising, hopefully one off times that have impacted the bottom line will go. 1st Qtr will be interesting to see if impairments and depreciation remain elevated …there must come a time when depreciation peaks and trends lower. As to impairments they are specific business related write down of value and they can easily go up again. There will be upward surprises in 2023 for sure …..wait and see.

EBITA V Accounting Profit…..a perennial discussion.

Depreciation has no impact on cash flow …..worth noting. Impairment cost of RM 394m is one off. So 1st Qtr will report better numbers.

The only thing certain is that at some point these doggy characters insiders will start buying again and make 10% they do this 4 times year ….not bad result!

Air Asia up 7% and Gamuda has been star performer …..and yet this Genting struggles big time to make headway! Defies logic, as I said before big problem that we have a single dominant shareholder who can cause significant damage by trading ….we had this with Myeg, Serbadk, and many more …..Bursa is full of doggy owners who lack ethics and corporate governance and may even be part of a syndicate as it is easy for them to make money from trading shares

Even Airasia share price is rallying whilst Genting struggles…it has to be internal folks dumping for sure …means the results may be well below expectations …..

Analysts have conflict of interests….they promote shares they have interests in. That said we need to take other issues into account such as political risks as well related party interests. I think Genting is below NAV for a reason, and I think the main risk is party related transactions which quite often have nothing to do with business dynamics. Conclusion is analysts recommendations are one elements of many other information that you need to consider…..if it is worth a buy.

20 sen up tomorrow! Really, can’t see it. Hope it is true!

Worth highlighting is that non gaming revenue is up 90%! When gamblers return, the performance will explode for sure as visitation to Sing are increasing. Visit g Sing next week and struggling to find decent hotel as rooms are fully booked! Sing has gained as HK has suffered

What I am hearing from medical professionals particularly from U.K. is that TAuRX is promising and approval may not be an issue despite the placebo issue. Apparently there is a precedence, and hope FDA is not totally corrupt as suggested. Let’s see you never know!

Sing performance is above consensus that applies to dividend, expectation was 2.5 for the year

Excellent results despite increase in cost of sales due to inflation. Will Genting price react positively, should but we never know, it depends on who is selling the shares and dumping them can’t be just retailers surely! That said many stocks have corrected globally. My worry is major share behaviour as well as small retail customers who sell for small profit…..if you look at institutional holdings some interesting fund houses have increased stakes

Big question is the correction Genting specific or wider market concern? If you at the markets there is market wise correction. That said I w worry about insiders playing dirty games running into result season. Whilst there is normally a trading ban, they find a way to dispose big ..this has happened frequently, that is why a big single investor is a problem ….as they can dispose off any time …I have no doubt as to Gentings prospects particularly wen you add TAURx into the equation, as many medical experts say that the news is positive. The big question remains how the majority shareholder and his band of syndicates behave between now and then!

Genting Singapore went up slightly? This suggests dumping of shares in Genting Group by owners perhaps?

Nothing to do with this tax stuff, reality is all the markets are under stress again …due to US inflation numbers.

As I have said earlier ..very strange behaviour, small moves selling starts. These are retailers selling either individually or as part of syndicate …..I can’t Imagine people are using algorithms, they are not that sophisticated…..but you never know. For algorithm to work it has to trade quickly and connected to stock market and low commission. I think it is small retailers making money for next meal!

Question? Will it close up? Not many days left before results are out!

Ok, another holiday and Monday as well! Too many holidays…but good for Genting! Let’s see it reflect in the results…1st Quarter 2023 will definitely see big improvement from previous year. Banking on Gent Sing shining

Let’s see what happens tomorrow? Not convinced it will breach 5.0. If it does I will add more …as I have concerns with insiders as Y/E results are known.

It’s funny folks keep saying invest more as it goes down…all well in principle! Liquidity is not on tap! Money has alternative cost. Also there is the issue of over investing in a single stock! Concentration risk!

As i and warned, Genting has very strange share dealing patterns. When it corrects it corrects in a big way, when it rises there is lot of profit taking. This correction is interesting as it has gone below, 4.98, could be insiders selling, or simply small holders as the volumes are relatively low….another point is that the selling has impacted Sing as well ….so is the results, as by now internal guys would know the results.

Profit takers after CNY….let’s see next wave of purchases. Volume v very low.