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@Permutation, Genm has more near term catalysts while Genting is more undervalued and has greater long term upsides.

Genm for one announced a better than expected quarterly result for Q4 FY2023 while Genting disappointed with a weak result dragged down by impairments at Genting Singapore.

While the outlook for both Genting Highlands and Genting Singapore are bright as both Malaysia and Singapore have allowed visa free travels from China and India, I am not sure if there will be more impairments at Genting Singapore in coming quarters.

Next, Genm will have a good chance to dispose off its Maimi land in 2H 2024 when US Fed starts cutting rates, that will be a good catalyst to Genm share price, I believe.

New York city council will be launching the RFP to solicit interests for 3 new full casino licenses and Genm shall stand a good chance to clinch one of the licenses. As I calculated in my article, the potential from a new casino license in New York is huge and that will be another catalyst to Genm.

Genting long term is still very good, underpinned by Sentosa 2.0 expansion by Genting Singapore. I expect Genting Singapore earnings to expand by at least 40% to achieve EBITDA of close to SGD1.8b - 2.0 billion by 2030 when the expansion completes.

Whether Genm or Genting is better, I will leave it to you to decide one that suits your investment horizon. I have both.

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@Permutation, I suggest you consult Mr. OTB on Yinson as he has done extensive studies on this company, while I have not.

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1 day ago | Report Abuse

decent closing today for YTL Power with more muted trading volume.

It is good to see that YTL Power shares are cooling off a little bit lately, as a slew of good news and good developments at the company has sparked a major re-rating of the stock:

1) Inclusion into KLCI component index in early Dec 2023
2) announcement of collaboration with Nvidia to develop AI data centres in mid Dec 2023
3) winning the EMA tender for development of a new 600MW hydrogen-ready CCGT in Jan 2024
4) announcement of inclusion into MSCI in mid Jan 2024 and official inclusion on 29 Feb 2024
5) approval for the Brabazon property development project with enlarged plan of 6,500 homes and 4m sf commercial area

Any long rally of a stock will need a pause for it to consolidate gains, also to allow some early investors to take some profits and for late comers to get into the stock on profit taking.

If we take a longer term view of 12 months-24 months, this stock has been performing in a fantastic form, way better than our initial expectation. So it is entirely normal for people to take profit and adjust their portfolio.

But if I look around Bursa stock universe, it is really hard to find another stock with better prospects and earnings certainty than YTL Power & YTL Corp, big cap, liquid, high trading volume, cheap valuation, etc all favoured by foreign funds.

If we think foreign funds will come into Bursa in a big way and Bursa will see a bull run in 2024 and 2025 as envisaged by iCap Mr. Tan Teng Boo (who expects KLCI to test 2,500-3,000 points in next 2-5 years), which stocks would foreign funds look at favourably?

Tenaga?? no, latest Q4 very weak, Manjung plant down on unplanned outage till 2024 end/2025, high receivables over RM10 billion, tight cashflows and working capital, super high capex of over RM50 billion in next few years, high borrowings and doubling interest expenses from higher capex spending, etc.

bank stocks? Maybank and RHB Bank maybe for decent dividend yield of 6% p.a. but growth is limited hence share price upside is limited

other utilities stocks? TM? definitely no as its unifi business is seeing huge threats from 5G operators who are offering cheaper and faster wifi solutions

Pet Gas? also no due to high valuation of over 30x PER

Dialog? maybe as Q4 earnings are solid but still valuation is double of that for YTLP

what else? IHH for 35x PER?

any other stock traditionally favoured by foreign funds?

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2 days ago | Report Abuse

Agreed that US dollars are high against ringgit now, and it may come down later this year when US Fed starts cutting rates.

FX only affects the paper accounting value, so I won't bother much. More importantly it is for Genm to win one of the 3 casino licences in New York.

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2 days ago | Report Abuse

@Jack Khan, you are probably right there.

As Genm owns 100% equity stakes in Resorts World New York City at Queens which I believe will house the new New York full casino when the new license is awarded, the capex required will not be too big, reportedly at around USD1.0 billion, half of which is for the bid bond.

Genting group has already raised sufficient fund for the US$500 million bid requirement, it may probably spend another USD500m to upgrade the facilities at RWNYC in order to roll out full casino products.

To enhance its bid, I do not rule out the possibility of GNM robing in a local partner to win one of the full casino license.

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2 days ago | Report Abuse

On the potential earnings contribution to YTLP from the Brabazon project, I have previously not included it as the master plan was not approved yet. Now the plan has been approved (on 29 Feb 2024) and it entails exactly the sizing as envisaged in the 2023 Annual Report.

Without assess to more detailed development plan, I will just do a quick estimation here on the potential earnings contribution from the Brabazon project to YTLP.

The approved plan envisages development of 6,500 new homes and 4 million sf of commercial floor area in Bristol. Using the national average house pricing in the UK of about GBP275,000, I estimate that the total GDV for the 6,500 new homes may amount to GBP1.8 billion. Using a rough gross profit margin of 25%-30%, I estimate that total development profit for the 6,500 new homes may amount to GBP500 million over the next few years.

Assuming development over 10 years, average gross profit will be GBP50 million a year. Applying UK corporate tax rate of 25%, net profit contribution to YTLP may come to GBP37.5 million or RM225 million a year over next 10 years.

Then for the 4 million sf of commercial area, the potential rental income may be huge too. Online checks show that Bristol commercial / office rental rates are between GBP25-30 psf per annum. So for the proposed 4 million sf of new commercial area, the potential gross rental income may amount to GBP100 million to GBP120 million per annum. Deduct off 25% for miscellaneous charges for property management, the net property income may come to GBP80 million to GBP90 million per annum. Again deduct off 25% corporate tax, net earnings contribution to YTL Power may be GBP60 million to GBP67.5 million, or RM360 million to RM405 million a year to YTL Power.

That's my rough estimation - RM225 million a year of net profit contribution to YTL Power from this project, increasing over time to as much as RM630 million a year when the commercial area is fully developed. After all the new 6,500 homes are delivered, the recurring income will be from the commercial area which may contribute over RM400 million of net rental income to YTLP every year.

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2 days ago | Report Abuse

@Probability, thanks for highlighting the approval news of the Brabazon project in the UK.

This property development project has always been under YTL Power, as YTLP management has acquaintance with the Bristol council in dealings for Wessex Waters which is located nearby in Bath.

I think YTL Power has 100% equity stakes in this Brabazon project, as stated by the following statements in YTLPower 2023 Annual Report:

"Brabazon
YTL Developments UK Limited (“YTL Developments”), a wholly-owned
subsidiary of YTL Property UK, is undertaking one of the
UK’s largest master planned developments, located on the former
Filton Airfield site. Brabazon Bristol is a 380-acre mixed-use urban
development and the Group’s first UK property development
project.
Awards won this year include Residential Project of the Year (36
Homes and Over) – Michelmores Property Awards 2023;
Residential Developer – Insider South West Property Awards
2023; and Developer of the Year – Bristol Property Awards 2022.
Masterplan Densification
Planning approval from South Gloucestershire Council is currently
pending for the proposed update to the development’s Masterplan.
The approval will allow the new Masterplan to deliver up to 6,500
residential homes, student accommodation units, 4 million sqft of
commercial floor area and approximately 1 million sqft of
educational and community facilities."

I believe that the construction work for this massive Brabazon property development project will be undertaken by YTL Corp's construction arm. The total construction work may be worth over a billion pounds (>RM6.0 billion) to be awarded to YTL in next few years.

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

200 million shares traded at RM3.95 in the last minute, big big funds.

Looks like big chunks of shares changing hands between major shareholders and foreign funds, or local institutions and foreign funds, besides call warrants issuing banks dumping all they had to press down closing price.

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

crazy volume of over 265 million volume transacted in last minutes

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

There is no point arguing it at this moment after it just delivered a weak set of results.

Lets see in 3 months time.

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

True that PBA has not gained enough investor confidence as its earnings record in the past few years is not consistent, and dividend so far has not been very good given the low water tariffs.

I believe after the water tariff is revised up and PBA starts to deliver solid earnings for 2 or 3 quarters then investors will have more confidence and give a higher PER.

It was the same case as in YTL Power. It was trading at unjustifiably low valuation of 5x PER last year, when most analysts played down on its prospects. But now analysts have to upgrade their target price and give a fairer PER of 10x to 15x, after YTLP delivered 3 consecutive of strong earnings.

I think once PBA delivers a good improved profit for Mar 2024 and reinforces the strong earnings in June 2024, then investors will have a different look at it.

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

In Q4 statement, PBA stated that it had about RM170m of capital allowance as of 31 Dec 2023 to set off against future taxable profits. So this will be enough to set off against most of the taxable profit in 2024 so the effective tax expense in 2024 will be very low like in 2023 when income tax expense was only RM4.7 million (cash tax payment was also about RM4.7m).

On deferred tax, PBA claimed positive deferred tax of RM44m in 2022 then it reversed some of it in 2023 and recognised negative deferred tax charge of RM34m. As a result, deferred tax liabilities increased from RM99m as of 31 Dec 2022 to RM128m as of 31 Dec 2023.

I am not sure how this deferred tax charge will affect PBA net profit going forward. Any accountant here who can advise?

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

@jackson1688888, you can argue that PER of 15x should only apply to growth stocks, but I can argue that PBA can be considered a growth stock as it has just secured a substantial hike in water tariffs, and hence its earnings for 2024 and 2025 will grow substantially, then 2026 earnings will grow organically based on water consumption growth in Penang.

Come 2027, it can apply for another round of water tariff hike as its average water tariff will still be among the cheapest in Peninsular Malaysia. Earnings will grow further when it secures another water tariff hike in 2027. Then by 2030, there will be another round of water tariff hike review. Not a growth stock?

Even the assumption of 15x PER only for growth stocks is also not entirely true. Take a look at Tenaga and PetGas, both earnings will only grow organically based on electricity demand and gas consumption in Peninsular. Why are they trading at PER of over 20x?

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

Even if I apply a lower PER of 10x, PBA should be worth RM3.90.

At 8x PER, PBA should be worth RM3.09

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

@jackson1688888, I don't think that because of a relatively smaller company like PBA, it does not deserve a PER of 15x.

For comparison, Ranhill which is comparable to PBA in size is trading at PER of over 25x.

Solarvest, a company smaller than PBA, is trading at PER of over 20x.

A lot of smaller companies are trading at much higher PER.

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5 days ago | Report Abuse

@Bullstock888, yes I concur with your view above.

PBA's Q4 was dragged down by negative deferred tax, a 180 degree change from positive deferred tax in Q3. This is non cash, and I will just ignore them.

PBA recorded PBT of RM68.4m in 2023, this would have been higher if the ICPT surcharge rate was reduced for the whole year, but it came into effect only from July 2023.

Operating cashflows before working capital changes and capex amounted to RM112 million in 2023, which was very strong.

Post water tariff hike from 1st Feb 2024, PBA expects revenue to increase by RM86 million a year. Assuming operating costs remain unchanged, PBT will increase by RM86m.

I take a more conversative approach and assume operating costs to increase by 10% or RM27m in 2024, and so I expect PBT to jump by about RM60m to RM128 million.

Ignoring deferred tax effect, the normal income tax should be minimal as PBA has got enough capital allowance to offset against future taxable profit, so net profit will come to also about RM128 million or EPS of 39 sen.

PBA is a well run utility company and should enjoy PER of 15x (note Tenaga at 23x PER, PetGas at PER 20x), so PBA may be worth RM5.80 a share post water tariff hike.

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6 days ago | Report Abuse

@Activetrader, I concur with your view above.

Genm is going to see multiple re-rating factors soon.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

Tenaga just announced its Q4 result with net profit drop to RM480m, making the full year net profit at RM2.77b, lower than concesus. EPS for 2023 comes to 48 sen, making Tenaga trading at a PER of above 23x.

This makes YTL Power relatively cheap at PER of lower than 10x on FY2024 earnings. I think this will make it easy for foreign funds to make a choice in terms of exposure to the utility sector in Malaysia.

Hence, even if YTL Power trades up to RM6.30 at 15x PER, it will still be cheaper than its peers like Tenaga, PetGas and Dialog.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

@pang72, YTL is still playing catchup with YTL Power which has gone up 5x from RM0.70 to RM4.20, YTL will surely go up from RM0.50 to RM3.00 in time.

Then both will continue scaling new heights!!

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1 week ago | Report Abuse


While the hyperscalers like Google, Amazon and Microsoft are trying to do load shifting between their data centres around the world to reduce carbon emission, why not just shift some of the data centre loads to YTLP's Kulai data centre park which is powered by 100% RE?

Posted by Mabel > 5 hours ago | Report Abuse

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2024/02/27/ai-explodes-data-centre-energy-use

Nvidia Corp chief executive officer Jensen Huang has said AI has hit a “tipping point.” He has also said that the cost of data centres will double within five years to power the rise of new software.

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The fact of the matter is that AI data centre is going to be big, or is already very big, as evidenced from Nvidia's latest quarterly results that showed that Nvidia derived about 80% of its revenue from AI data centre division, about USD18 billion and growing.

YTLP's collaboration with Nvidia at its Kulai data centre park is already starting to see real progress as YTL has been carrying out the infrastructure and construction work there and Nvidia has promised to supply the highly sougth-after H100 GPUs once the site is ready.

YTLP in the latest analyst briefing after the Q2 quarterly result reiterated good progress of the AI data centre project, with the first phase of AI data centre to be ready by end 2024 and a 100MW capacity target in the medium term.

As I do not know the details of the deal, I can only analyse from a top-down view of a general project basis. Assuming an equity IRR of 15% for the project, total project costs of RM20b, debt financing of 80%, and 20 years of operation and cashflows, I get a starting revenue of RM2.5 billion a year and a net profit of RM650m at initial years rising gradually to RM2.0 billion a year after project loans are paid off after 10 years.

So net profit may average RM1.3 billion a year for the 100MW AI data centre project, not too far off from RHB analyst's projection of RM1.2 billion a year.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

If someone keeps shouting to want facts & figures, the relevant info is already out in the public. Please do your own analysis and projections to get the numbers you want. Do not simply shout scams or liars to the air.

I suspect this guy may be from a competing company on data centre business in Malaysia, and talk down on YTLP's prospects on the AI data centre, but he wouldn't get any benefit in doing so as real data centre business clients would not listen to such nonsense.

Then he might have sold off his shares in YTLP and hence is trying to talk bad and press down the share price of YTLP. Again, he would not achieve anything out of this, as his words have no bearing in this forum by simply talking blank.

Whatever it is, I will not bother nor respond to this guy anymore.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse


Below is the Bursa announcement by YTL Power on the collaboration with Nvidia for the development of AI data centre at its Kulai data centre park. PMX also announced the deal to be RM20 billion on the same day. This shows to me and to the market that the deal is real, and not a fishy project with no official announcement as claimed by certain parties with malicious intent.

Of course, there was not much detail of the deal in the Bursa announcement, as any business deal info is sensitive and confidential. You wouldn't expect the company to announce all the details of the deal including returns, % capital contribution, form of collaboration to the public, as it would jeorpadise the business negotiation with potential clients later.

https://www.bursamalaysia.com/market_information/announcements/company_announcement/announcement_details?ann_id=3407239

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

Genting Singapore weak Q4 result was mainly due to kitchen sinking activities where the company booked in higher impairment for trade receivables, penalties and write-offs, and higher non-cash depreciation charges.

I see no alarm over Genting Singapore business as its cash balance ballooned to SGD3.9 billion as of 31 Dec 2023, and China tourists to Singapore are back to 100% pre-pandemic level. Maybank analyst expects the high impairment on trade receivables and penalties will not recur in 2024 and beyond.

I still see Genting Singapore to grow its EBITDA towards SGD1.4 billion by FY2025.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

So what if YTLP were to fund the entire project cost?

YTL Power has about RM1.5-2.0 billion of cash at the holding level and strong operating cashflows of RM6 billion a year. It will have no problem coming out with the equity money of RM4b to fund this, and I expect no issue of it getting lenders to lend to the project.

YTLP is innovative in finding funding for its projects. Last time for building the Malaysian power plants, YTLP went for IPC listing to get billions of ringgit funding well before the power plants were commissioned.

Think twice before you want to tarnish the image of a great company.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

Why are some parties so hung up with capital contribution to AI data centre?

YTL Power will come out with all the capital money required to fund the traditional data centre secured with SEA Group, the 1st phase capital was announced to be RM1.5 billion and YTLPI has secured necessary funding of 80% to fund it. Lenders were comfortable with the project returns then only they would lend 80% to the project.

For all the utility projects YTLP was involved before, such as the Paka & Pasir Gudang power stations, the Jordan power plant etc, in which case didn't YTLP come out with all the necessary funding to fund the projects? And each has proven great success!

PMX has already mentioned the total capital outlay for the AI data centre project would be RM20 billion, and various foreign news sources also stated similar figures of USD4.2 billion. Still certain parties are not convinced with this. Why we care if YTLP were to contribute RM10b or RM20b of capital to fund the project, as long as it is a good project in high demand now, the project will give good returns, as what we can see from latest Nvidia results that show increasing revenue from its AI data centre business.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

The press statement on the AL data centre collaboration between YTLP and Nvidia typically does not give much detail on the deal. I also will not bother to speculate on the % shareholding of each and % capital contribution to the JV. As I always trust the ability of YTL Power management to strike good deals that give double-digit IRR.

In any case, the market has not given any value to the AI data centre business which has yet to contribute any earnings. As written in my article, YTL Power current earnings base of RM3.4 billion or EPS of 42 sen can be sustained with its existing operations from PowerSeraya, Wessex, Jordan and Jawa Power.

Taking the more conservative valuation by Mr. OTB at 12x PER, YTL Power should be worth RM5.04 based on current earnings base.

I am a little more bullish to peg a higher PER of 15x, as I see more foreign funds will come into Bursa later this year, and KLCI general market PER is 15x. I see no reason why YTLP should be trading below the general market PER of 15x, as it is big, liquid and growing. I see good chance of it hitting RM6.30 before AI data centre business starts contributing earnings.

I will only assess the earnings potential of the AI data centre segment after it starts reporting profit in 2H 2024.

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@jeffchan1901, on the issue of weak ringgit, it is really a matter of strong US dollars and US Fed actions over the next few months. US Fed has aggressively raised interest rates to 5.5% in past 12 months, higher than our OPR now by about 200 bps. Obviously some foreign funds will pull back funds to the US to enjoy the much higher bond yields there, and that puts pressure on emerging market currencies including ringgit. Singapore dollar is more or less pegged to the US dollars with MAS managing it well to contain inflation there.

Foreign funds have been pouring money into Bursa Malaysia since early Jan 2024, in fact towards end of Dec 2023. We can see YTL and YTL Power share prices started climbing up by 5%-10% towards end Dec 2023 after both were included into KLCI component in mid Dec, so there was a lag of about 2 weeks.

Foreign funds typically come into Malaysia when they see upsides in the currency over next few months. Economists are predicting ringgit to appreciate to RM4.50-4.40 by end 2024, that is likely to be inline with the timeline for US Fed to start cutting interest rates in 2H 2024. When US Fed starts cutting rates, now expected to start in June, bond yields there will drop and some funds will find it less attractive to hold and take profit as bond prices climb up (when yields drop). Some of these funds will look for higher returns elsewhere.

I am confident many of these funds will find Malaysia stock market very attractive, especially with the backdrop of an appreciating ringgit in next few months. Say if ringgit appreciates by 10% to RM4.40 level, foreign funds that buy into Bursa stocks now will enjoy additional upside of 10% when they exit end of 2024 when ringgit indeed goes up to RM4.40 level.

Statistics shows that foreign funds still accumulated shares in YTL Power in early February, while they may have paused in past 2 weeks after the share price hit RM4.24 peak. I expect new wave of foreign funds will pour into YTL and YTL Power next month after these 2 stocks are officially included into MSCI.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

If you are not expert on AI data centre, do not simply put up sabotage statements.

I am not expert on this area, so I have not written much about it. But some analysts have become more bullish than us on this new business area, forecasting that this segment may contribute RM1.2 billion of net profit to YTLP every year from 2026.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

@ks55, I am afraid you are wrong in your statements above.

Nvidia derives about 80% of its revenue from AI data centre business, the same it is in collaboration with YTLP to develop in Kulai.

Nvidia will be co-investing in this new AI data centre, it is malicious to say that YTLP will have to come out with all the capital. Irresponsible statement.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

WOW PBA powerful rally.

Finally consolidation is over and the market has realised how undervalued this counter is

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

Expect new waves of foreign buying on YTL and YTL Power after 29 Feb when both counters are officially included in the MSCI index

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

@Agjl, yes indeed finally the market appreciates the potential of MCement, as I have long been advocating for its dominant market share in Peninsular and softening coal prices

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

YTL Corp earnings surprised on the upside, with better than expected earnings from cement and hotels divisons.

But YTL Power earnings also beat most analysts' expectation, with continued strong earnings from PowerSeraya, plus a wild card in its AI data centre business which some analysts forecast may contribute net profit of RM1.2 billion a year to YTLP from 2026

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Indeed, YTL Corp's results surprised on the upside, with better than expected earnings from cement and hotels divisions.

But YTL Power earnings are also better than most analysts' expectation, with continued strong earnings from PowerSeraya plus the wild card in AI data centre business. Some analysts forecase net profit contribution of up to RM1.2 billion a year from data centres to YTLP every year from 2026

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

Hong Leong sum-of-parts valuation is RM6.16 for YTLP

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

@2721, yes Wessex financials are a little hard to understand, especially the provisions for index-linked bonds. It is difficult to have a good forecast for each quarter to come.

But these provisions are non cash in nature, so it does not affect the current cashflows, but have an impact on accounting profits.

I suggest we just focus more on its operating profits which will soon turn around after it secures another round of water tariff hike for financial year starting from 1 April 2024 to 31 Mar 2025.

The provisions for index-linked bonds are linked to some inflation index in the UK, so as inflation cools off in the UK in coming quarters, I expect such provisions for ILBs will gradually come down.

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Agjl, MCement as you can see reported substantially higher earnings for Q2. I expect full year EPS to hit 35 sen, if we apply a fair PER of 15x for its dominant market share of cement in Malaysia, it should be worth RM5.25

MCement 1H FY2024 operating cashflows (before working capital changes and capex) were very strong at RM456 million, annualised to RM900 million as I forecast before. Capex for 1H was about RM100m, so full year free cashflows may top RM700 million or 53 sen per share. At free cashflow yield of 7%, MCement may be worth RM7.63 per share.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

hello, INdonesia has got 270 million population, if you divide the GDP by the population, Indonesia GDP per capital is only USD4,800, while Malaysia is already more than USD11,000 per capital

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

Keep lobbying for AA and enriching low cost airlines can make us a high income nation??

So narrow minded

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

If what he said made any sense, he won't be sidelined. Total nonsense to me.

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1 week ago | Report Abuse

I don't agree with the argument that the interest payments for the HSR project would be more than buying air tickets for every KL people to travel to Singapore, this was obviously speaking for the airline industry.

First, the project costs will be mainly borne by the private consortium, not the government. The government will likely only look into land acquisition, the rest of the project costs will be financed by private consortium with cheap money from China or Japan. Hence there is no issue arising for our government to carry huge amount of debts and pay high interests. So the statement itself is false.

Secondly, air tickets may not come cheap when you need them. Very often than not, an air ticket may cost you a bomb when you need to book one to Singapore or back, especially during festive seasons or important events or on emergency. Furthermore if you look into the statistics, how many travellers who take flights between KL and Singapore are leisure travellers? I think the bulk of them are on business or lone travellers. It costs over RM1000 for a family of four to fly from KL to Singapore or vice verse, and takes over 3 hours on total travelling time, including the 2-hour pre-flight check in time. It only costs RM70-100 for a family to drive from KL to JB.

Thirdly, the argument that the government would rather save the money on HSR and channel it to other facilities to the people like hospitals or schools is again false, as the government is not funding the HSR projects. Instead, when the HSR takes off, it will encourage more economic activities, more tourists from Singapore, more expats to stay in KL, more multi-national corporations to set up regional HQ in KL, help to increase property prices in the Kland Valley and areas surrouding HSR stations, promote more inter-state tourism activities especially to states with HSR stops etc. All these will add more tax income to the government, and the multiplying effect from such will be a lot more than the interest payment for the HSR project.