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VenFx

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Posted by VenFx > 2016-12-18 13:04 | Report Abuse

Posted by Takashi Sorimachi > Dec 18, 2016 12:39 PM | Report Abuse I3, I'm confused now...

@SorryMachi,
U shud get abrod mere often, then u will get use and famiar with i3 here.

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-18 13:05 | Report Abuse

contra kakis 100% lose money , even in bull market

by paperplane2016 > Dec 18, 2016 12:22 PM | Report Abuse

I bet 90% will lose money next yr. Best performer perhaps are 100% fixed deposits at 4%. Hahahaha.

CharlesT

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Posted by CharlesT > 2016-12-18 13:12 | Report Abuse

Contra kakis 100% lose money?? U better clarify with duit,rchi,hng33 etc before u say so

VenFx

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Posted by VenFx > 2016-12-18 13:20 | Report Abuse

Takashi Sorimachi
Take it easy, that's are the words I use to scold those bastard also, sometimes my post deleted also.
But no big deal for me.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2016-12-18 13:27 |

Post removed.Why?

VenFx

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Posted by VenFx > 2016-12-18 13:40 |

Post removed.Why?

VenFx

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Posted by VenFx > 2016-12-18 14:01 | Report Abuse

Haha, thx for the favor Takashi Sorimachi.

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-18 14:04 | Report Abuse

OTB hates me....but I don't hate OTB.

I just hate his rudeness, his arrogance with his fake thank yous.

no thank you is better than fake thank you.

calvintaneng

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Posted by calvintaneng > 2016-12-18 14:43 |

Post removed.Why?

eagle71

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Posted by eagle71 > 2016-12-18 14:57 | Report Abuse

KYY asked people to buy Gadang at high price and then scared people to sell at low price so that he can collect. After he has collected enough, he came out and called it a "pivoting moment"..
He will continue to do such thing in other stocks in future.
Any human being with a little bit of intelligence left should know if this man is kind or crooked.

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-18 15:27 | Report Abuse

KYY changed his mind. Can or cannot?

eagle71 > Dec 18, 2016 02:57 PM | Report Abuse

KYY asked people to buy Gad

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-18 15:30 | Report Abuse

100% will lose money playing contra over one year.....I think one year long enough to prove the point


CharlesT > Dec 18, 2016 01:12 PM | Report Abuse

Contra kakis 100% lose money?? U better clarify with duit,rchi,hng33 etc before u say so

Posted by ganhunghung > 2016-12-18 17:28 | Report Abuse

Takashi Sorimachi I don't understand why my comment was removed and banned for a week, while i3 allowed similar comments posted by OTB
18/12/2016 12:18


Aiyo Man
jangan maru sendiri lagi lah..... Why want to tell the whole world ????

The answer is you are peanut nobody la,,,,, just simple as that

faham tak ???????

cloudtrip

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Posted by cloudtrip > 2016-12-18 18:12 | Report Abuse

Support kk123 and stockmanmy
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BSC83

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Posted by BSC83 > 2016-12-18 18:13 | Report Abuse

can somebody promote HHHCorp

Posted by yewniengwei2693 > 2016-12-18 20:47 | Report Abuse

This is lousy stock. Family control all, don't dream on this counter.

rainbowyen

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Posted by rainbowyen > 2016-12-18 21:08 | Report Abuse

i think calvin is the most coolest guy in i3...respect to you calvin...when everyone turn nasty, you able to cool down......that's the way, bro....

malaysiaku

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Posted by malaysiaku > 2016-12-18 21:34 | Report Abuse

tak sokong sesiapa sebab stok yang direkom oleh sifu, master sifu, grandmaster sifu, kaki bodek, kaki punter dan pengikutnya semuanya tak ada asas untuk dividen >5%~30.....setiap stok mesti ada margin of safety dan mesti ada dividen yang bersamaan atau lebih tinggi dari simpanan tetap >5%....malah gaji bulanan aku 5k pun adalah dari stok dividen...sebab itu, pembaca perlu ada asas yang dapat menjana pendapatan bulanan dan meningkatkan taraf hidup masing=masing...bijak memilih stok adalah perkara yang perlu dipelajari bukan ikut cakap sifu yang suka mengada-gada...

malaysiaku

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Posted by malaysiaku > 2016-12-18 21:50 | Report Abuse

aku tak sokong kyy sebab asas dia untuk cepat kaya bukan untuk ikan bilis....mula-mula cakap mesti beli gadang stok... lepas itu cakap mesti jual gadang...lepas itu cakap beli balik....apa punya sifu yang suka putar belit ini!!!....kaki tipu atau kaki bodek yang nak kaut untung cepat....."golden rule" mungkin sesuai untuk kyy sebab dia tahu psikologi pelabur tapi bukan untuk semua orang....aku rasa kcchongnz yang lebih layak bergelar sifu yang dihormati...kaedah yang tak putar belit dan ada asas penting dalam FA....Keep it up, kcchongnz...

Posted by WhiteMagic > 2016-12-18 21:54 | Report Abuse

...it's not changed his mind...it's actually manipulation!

malaysiaku

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Posted by malaysiaku > 2016-12-18 22:14 | Report Abuse

memang tukar fikiran dan manipulasi stok itu kaki tipu namanya...suka suka cakap pakai "golden rule"...ini mesti kyy... ada juga sifu yang suka cakap pakai "business sense"...apa punya kaedah asas ini??? tak pernah dengar dalam FA ada "business sense" pula....yang aku tahu, mesti ada permintaan semasa atau "high demands", macam nestle, dutchlady, etc dari industri/pelanggan...itu baru betul...

malaysiaku

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Posted by malaysiaku > 2016-12-18 22:33 | Report Abuse

“luck is when preparation meets opportunity”..kenyataan ini memang tepat tapi melabur kat pasaran saham bukan suka suka pakai "luck"....kalau macam ini warren buffett pun pakai "luck"??? kyy mungkin ada nasib yang tersangat bagus tapi bukan semua orang macam dia...saya pun hormat terhadap pakcik kyy tapi janganlah tipu orang kat i3....saya tengok ada pembaca/pelabur yang rugi sebab terikut-ikut cakap kyy....tak bagus tulis rencana yang putar belit....

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-18 22:40 | Report Abuse

How to manipulate when say buy on Saturday, say sell on Sunday?

Anyway....the few lots it can actually influence is too insignificant to even talk about.


WhiteMagic
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Posted by WhiteMagic > Dec 18, 2016 09:54 PM | Report Abuse

...it's not changed his mind...it's actually manipulation!

rainbowyen

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Posted by rainbowyen > 2016-12-18 22:42 | Report Abuse

That’s right, bro...writing article to mislead readers is not the right way...we don't suggest that and this like kyy...eventhough we are experienced investors....

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 00:03 | Report Abuse

For those who have been investing for a long time and have a portfolio of stocks for the long term with a lot of gains to show, we can generally conclude that their investing is sound and their portfolios safe.

Of course, their portfolios will vary in values with the market fluctuations. Should they be overly concerned over this? Would a severe market correction caused harm to their portfolios rendering these unsafe or risk? If this were to be the case, are their portfolios truly safe or should they be termed both safe and risky at the same time. :)

Benjamin Graham taught that those who are invested in the stock market should expect their portfolios to fluctuate in value. They can expect huge fluctuations to occur with a period of a year. A very severe bear market can decimate their portfolio values by 50%. A correction by 10% or more. Should they be frightened out of the market, selling their portfolio of stocks at the depth of the bear market or market downturns, than they are unlikely to profit from the market as much as they might hope for. They might even harm their returns and their financial health.

If risk is loss, is the portfolio value fluctuation to market conditions risky?

Loss is realised when you sell a stock below your buying price. That is realised loss. You might do this when you realise you have made a mistake in buying a stock initially.

The intrinsic value of the company declines when a company's fundamentals deteriorate permanently. The loss comes from the declining intrinsic value (which is also reflected in the declining share price ) of the company due to falling profits or even worse, losses. A decisive and quick action to sell and "cut loss" should be acted, lest more losses are realised due to delayed or inactions.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 00:03 | Report Abuse

For the majority of transactions, losses occur when the stock is bought at too high a price. This may occur for many reasons. Yes, you might have too rosy assumptions on the stock in your computation of its intrinsic value, that is, you made a mistake as discussed above. Maybe you were too impatient. The business fundamentals remain good and as you have projected. Due to impatience and various influences, you bought at that price, which subsequently proved to be too high or overprice. The company was good but the investment failed because the price paid was too high.

Market value fluctuations of your portfolio are to be expected. Losses are realised in the 3 situations elucidated above; all preventable and within your control. At least the risks of downside or loss can be controlled.

Avoid making mistake by improving your investment education and skill. Always be conservative in your projections of the company's prospects.

Selecting the highest quality companies, especially those with economic moats that are durable, you can hope to be with the company for the long term. Certain businesses and certain sectors enjoy durable competitive advantage.

For the majority, losses occur because they pay too high a price to own the stock. Discipline in buying bargains is important. "Buy your stocks like when you are buying your groceries and not your perfume or LV bags!" Stay away from the momentum herds. Be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful. Be aggressive when the market is down and fear prevails. Be wary when the market is up and everyone is in good spirit boasting their gains. Be worried when youngsters or newbies are making 100% gains in the market, because as surely as the sun will rise and set, these are times when you should be most fearful.

Investing is most sensible and rewarding, when it is businesslike. You are not buying a stock, but a portion of a business. After careful study and a lot of homework, you look for safety of your capital first. Then only do you look at the returns that can potentially be hope for. The market has been returning averagely about 10 to 11% yearly over the long term. If you aim for average of 15% per year consistently over many years, you would have done very well indeed. You will be on the path to riches you can enjoy for a lifetime.

Alas, for those who aim for much higher returns of 100% per year or even higher, hoping to be a millionaire in a very short few years, be warned - they are speculating. Given the vagaries of the market, they can expect a return commensurate to that of a speculator. Over the long run, they will enjoy a speculative return at best. I have yet to know of anyone who trades short term who made all their wealth in the stock market. Neither have I met or know of anyone who made all their wealth going to Genting Highlands. For short term speculators over the long run and the gamblers in Genting Highland over the long run, their fate probably share a common path.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 00:17 | Report Abuse

AN IMPORTANT LESSON RAIDER LEARN FROM SIFU SENIOR ANALYST LOH....!!

Last wk Raiders went for an investment lecturer organised by the sifu of Senior Analyst, in which Raider find veri useful !

'Treat everi investment or trades in KLSE with caution bcos we are competing with alot professionals !
If we win, someone will be losing !
If we compete with professional, it is not so easi to win bcos if we always win, the professional will lose their jobs !'

In order for ordinary investor like Raider to win, Raider must play a loser game !
Meaning Raider should onli, play when they are huge margin of safety !

Just like tennis, if Raider play against Agassi sure loselah, but if Raider chose the tournament, time and type of game to play.....raider got chance to win....even playing against Agassi..!

For example if Raider...play against....Agassi....table tennis....got...chance to win to winloh..!
If Raider play....against....under 10....schoolboys tennis.....got chance to winloh ...!

The smart thing...No need to compete in tennis everi day !

paperplane2016

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Posted by paperplane2016 > 2016-12-19 00:28 | Report Abuse

Good sharing raider bro....

malaysiaku

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Posted by malaysiaku > 2016-12-19 02:18 | Report Abuse

stockraider, sure or not? kamu cakap main stok macam seperti main tenis??? jika bermain terhadap Agassi pasti kalah, tetapi jika stockraider memilih kejohanan, masa dan jenis permainan untuk bermain ...peluang untuk memenangi kejohanan adalah besar...walaupun bermain menentang Agassi !!!...ini kaki bodek namanya.....Agassi tetap menang tak kira masa, tempat atau jenis permainanan... Agassi ada pengalaman, bakat semulajadi dan mentaliti yang kental, yang tak semua orang memilikinya... nak cakap besar, biarlah berasas....kamu ingat kamu boleh menang macam warren buffett..???...tak payahlah mengada-mengada, bro

malaysiaku

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Posted by malaysiaku > 2016-12-19 02:44 | Report Abuse

tapi saya setuju dengan rencana kamu sebab "margin of safety" adalah faktor yang perlu diambil kira....tapi janganlah terikut-ikut sifu Penganalisis kanan(senior analyst), yang menganggap main stok macam nak bertanding dengan profesional pula.. apa punya sifu yang ajar kaedah pelik macam ini...dia ingat macam makluk asing???

rainbowyen

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Posted by rainbowyen > 2016-12-19 08:50 | Report Abuse

kyy don't like people comment about his method...no further discussion when come to kyy...that's why, I can't see his blogs got comment from readers....

MusangK1ng

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Posted by MusangK1ng > 2016-12-19 09:35 | Report Abuse

KC is a value investor while KYY is more like a momentum investor. of coz both using different method la !

Posted by Masterful Fanny > 2016-12-19 09:36 | Report Abuse

Change counter to VIS 0120. Can double up your money.

skyz

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Posted by skyz > 2016-12-19 10:50 | Report Abuse

KYY sked people remind other readers to beware of his modus operandi and "noble intentions". he dun like ppl dig back his movements of Jayatiasa, Mudajaya, Focus Lumber etc. if not how to continue to con?

stockmanmy

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Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-19 11:19 | Report Abuse

low PE and business sense is good enough value investor.
No one can accuse KYY / stockmanmy of being a no value investor . In fact, I notice most of KYY shares are the largest in their category / business.



MusangK1ng > Dec 19, 2016 09:35 AM | Report Abuse

KC is a value investor while KYY is more like a momentum investor. of coz both using different method la !

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 11:23 | Report Abuse

Posted by malaysiaku > Dec 19, 2016 02:18 AM | Report Abuse

stockraider, sure or not? kamu cakap main stok macam seperti main tenis??? jika bermain terhadap Agassi pasti kalah, tetapi jika stockraider memilih kejohanan, masa dan jenis permainan untuk bermain ...peluang untuk memenangi kejohanan adalah besar...walaupun bermain menentang Agassi !!!...ini kaki bodek namanya.....Agassi tetap menang tak kira masa, tempat atau jenis permainanan... Agassi ada pengalaman, bakat semulajadi dan mentaliti yang kental, yang tak semua orang memilikinya... nak cakap besar, biarlah berasas....kamu ingat kamu boleh menang macam warren buffett..???...tak payahlah mengada-mengada, bro !!

TAPI KALAU TAK MAIN TENNIS....DENGAN AGASSI...RAIDER BOLEH CHOSE PERMAINAN RAIDER YG PALING BEST MAH....!!
RAIDER CHOSE MAIN CHINESE CHESS DENGAN AGASSI....MAH...!!
RAIDER MESTI MENANG LOH...!!

dusti

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Posted by dusti > 2016-12-19 12:14 | Report Abuse

So many clever people

rosetan

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Posted by rosetan > 2016-12-19 12:25 | Report Abuse

I suppose KYY's critics will be the first to read his blog, like eagerly looking forward to his next episode, and quick to comment. Why all the fuss about KYY? If you think he is a conman, don't read his blog and don't follow his suggestions.

stockraider

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Posted by stockraider > 2016-12-19 12:34 | Report Abuse

Don forget KYY did not give a single sen to KC Chong for his service in which KC save him millions..some more dare to say KC being sacked, which is true loh......!!

This type of people u trust meh ?

Tom

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Posted by Tom > 2016-12-19 12:41 | Report Abuse

真心笑而不语。。。。。。。

Posted by rosetan > Dec 19, 2016 12:25 PM | Report Abuse

I suppose KYY's critics will be the first to read his blog, like eagerly looking forward to his next episode, and quick to comment. Why all the fuss about KYY? If you think he is a conman, don't read his blog and don't follow his suggestions.

enning22

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Posted by enning22 > 2016-12-19 12:42 | Report Abuse

CUT LOSS----when you trade commodities.precious metals or financial futures etc, you need to learn about stop orders,that means cutting loss at certain price point, to avoid being wipeout completely.This is very important trading strategy.Many novices do not understand this important concept and want to make stupid noices about this issues, clearly exposed their ignorance, and lack of trading experience .

PlsGiveBonus

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Posted by PlsGiveBonus > 2016-12-19 13:10 | Report Abuse

Cut loss now very difficult
A few seconds late will be enough to eliminate all your fund
:)
What you need now is cut loss before anyone else cut it

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2016-12-19 14:43 | Report Abuse

This is an amateur recommendation and not worthy mentioned here as one size fit all approach won't work in this blog.

It's indeed surprised me when this amateur recommendation came from a very prominent investor.

Anyway, you won't be enlightened after reading this amateur recommendation. Perhaps, it's counter-productive!

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2016-12-19 15:18 | Report Abuse

You shouldn't cut loss in your investment blindly if the value equation is still greater than the price equation.

the euphoria of voting machine in the short term will kowtow to the rational of weighing machine in the long term....

datuk

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Posted by datuk > 2016-12-19 17:19 | Report Abuse

Stop loss is a good option if your stock selection criteria to a larger extent governed by emotional attachment.

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-12-19 17:38 | Report Abuse

datuk,

You are indeed a wise man, spreading the right way of investing. Otherwise you can't be called "datuk".

Good job.

kcchongnz

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2016-12-19 17:47 | Report Abuse

Posted by stockraider > Dec 19, 2016 12:34 PM | Report Abuse
Don forget KYY did not give a single sen to KC Chong for his service in which KC save him millions..some more dare to say KC being sacked, which is true loh......!!
This type of people u trust meh ?

Not only that, my rice bowls, which I am alleged to use to "beg" around, have been thrown and "broken" one by one, non-stop, and the action has not stopped yet, just because I am sharing some of my knowledge and experience which is contrary to some "Golden rule".

Raider, despite our differences in some investment topics and methods, including Hevea and margin financing, you are a very fair and knowledgeable man. Good to discuss things and learn from you.

Jun Yu

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Posted by Jun Yu > 2016-12-20 03:33 | Report Abuse

Apollo Ang typical loser mindset.

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