Posted by CharlesT > 2016-12-31 15:35 | Report Abuse

No wonder some once said monkey may do a better guess

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-31 16:20 | Report Abuse

Their clients are institutions.
They just wanted market performance/

higher returns comes from higher risk

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-12-31 16:21 | Report Abuse

In the case of Marcus Chan CFA

He didn't play the game properly and was fired.

Posted by VenFx > 2016-12-31 17:16 | Report Abuse

To be fair, don't we should take into account the 'share split' and ' Dividen paid ' for individual counters

Posted by gohkimhock > 2016-12-31 18:25 | Report Abuse

Defensive, growth or strong potential = Yee Lee

Posted by aidwiz > 2016-12-31 22:28 | Report Abuse

nice compilation man. thanks!

Posted by Bruce88 > 2016-12-31 22:59 | Report Abuse

Malaysia's Investment bank tak boleh pakai lah!

Posted by valuelurker > 2017-01-01 01:37 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2017-01-01 07:29 | Report Abuse

Did I critic? I'm just stressing the impossibility of picking stocks based on yearly time frame.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2017-01-01 08:43 | Report Abuse

Excellent analysis and excellent commentary. Keep up with your good work, which is very useful for the general investing community.

"Investing is not easy, anyone who thinks it is easy is stupid." Charles Munger

“Investing should be more like watching paint dry or watching grass grows. If you want excitement, take $800 and go to Las Vegas.”
– Paul Samuelson

Posted by paperplane2016 > 2017-01-01 08:57 | Report Abuse

Wow. Our contestants outperform them a lot!

Posted by wwwcomment > 2017-01-01 12:14 | Report Abuse

Does this compilation factor in the dividend bonus etc?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2017-01-01 12:43 | Report Abuse

In my opinion, this analysis merely shows that IBs are lousy in selecting top picks.

It does not really prove that picking stocks based on yearly timeframe does not work.

For every lousy IB 2016 portfolio , there is a counter argument in the form of paperplane, Tee Tom and OTB, which shows that paying attention to latest FA signals have chance of generating above average return

I am writing an article on this

Posted by Ricky Yeo > Jan 1, 2017 07:29 AM | Report Abuse

Did I critic? I'm just stressing the impossibility of picking stocks based on yearly time frame.

Posted by eagle71 > 2017-01-01 13:10 | Report Abuse

I think even if the time horizon expands from one year to 3 years or 5 years, the stock picks by the investment bankers above also can't show good return. Thus, it is not a time horizon issue for their bad result in 2016.

Posted by eagle71 > 2017-01-01 13:11 | Report Abuse

If it is short time horizon issue, why so many i3 stock pickers in 2016 contest can beat the professional investment bankers by that much. Their stock picks also base on 1-year period.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-01-01 13:24 | Report Abuse

I think
With responsibility comes caution
With caution comes mediocre

They rather hunt in the middle of the pack than on the fridges
It is the way it is.

You laugh, but when the lions come, they laugh.

Posted by probability > 2017-01-01 13:33 | Report Abuse

Icon said:

"For every lousy IB 2016 portfolio , there is a counter argument in the form of paperplane, Tee Tom and OTB, which shows that paying attention to latest FA signals have chance of generating above average return"

The above is called majority's perception based on (1) "latest available information".....its quite easy to understand why an improving earnings has the biggest impact on the stock price as it is "the most influential variable mathematically to change the IV of the stock". It changes the FCF in the DCF model...or whatever model one may have...having a good common sense on probability of what this means to the future.

To gain from above strategy - on has to be at the sharp edge of the information flow - the earliest to receive & analyse correctly this date - not everyone can be at the top of this game...and its like the sinusoidal wave of zero sum...for everyone top fellow there will be a bottom fellow...and many sitting in different region of the wave amplitude. i,e for every winners there is an equal loser.

As such the above falls under speculation...if i stretch it a little.

What we need is (2) "long term improvement of the companies earnings"...and who can provide that? - they are the gurus which all the long term "investors" seek.

These are gurus who can share why they think the companies has MOAT & has huge reinvestment potentials..i.e growth and that its selling super cheap currently.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-01-01 13:34 | Report Abuse

icon

You cannot compare a monopoly money portfolio done by an individual with a model portfolio done by an institution.

The latter has a lot of institutional constraints.

Posted by probability > 2017-01-01 13:36 | Report Abuse

Instead what "we" need is (2)...i should have stated what "long term investors" need.

I fall into speculator category...its the readers choice...no right or wrong.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-01-01 13:36 | Report Abuse

icon

no risk no rewards
higher returns comes from higher risk

you see only what you see
but the unseen is equally important.


For example, OTB portfolio was third from bottom earlier part of the year.

Posted by CKNYAM > 2017-01-01 15:58 | Report Abuse

I believe there is no perfect stock pick unless you are dynamic to change your pick when you see opportunity. Who ever has pick Ekovest, Mycron, Gamuda from begining till end are the true winner

Posted by Want_to_know > 2017-01-01 16:06 | Report Abuse

If true in real life, why IBs' never plan to hire i3 contestants? They should sack their own fund managers.

Posted by paperplane2016 > Jan 1, 2017 08:57 AM | Report Abuse
Wow. Our contestants outperform them a lot!

Posted by Icon8888 > Jan 1, 2017 12:43 PM | Report Abuse

In my opinion, this analysis merely shows that IBs are lousy in selecting top picks.

It does not really prove that picking stocks based on yearly timeframe does not work.

Posted by sell > 2017-01-01 16:14 | Report Abuse

I heard Icon8888 still own BIMB-W and paperplane2016 BJ Corp and Perak Corp. Why not show them in stocks picks?

Posted by sell_ > 2017-01-01 16:19 | Report Abuse

Icon bought Bimb wa at 0.40 http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/icon8888/78939.jsp
Posted by sell > Jan 1, 2017 04:14 PM | Report Abuse

I heard Icon8888 still own BIMB-W and paperplane2016 BJ Corp and Perak Corp. Why not show them in stocks picks?

Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-01-01 16:40 | Report Abuse

because the qualifications to work in a large organisation is different from being a blogger.




Want_to_know > Jan 1, 2017 04:06 PM | Report Abuse

If true in real life, why IBs' never plan to hire i3 contestants? They should sack their own fund managers.

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2017-01-01 17:22 | Report Abuse

There's no definitive answers to why fund managers haven't done that well against benchmark, it is like how are you going to separate luck from skills. It can be that indeed these managers are so bad, or it can be that one year is too hard to prove anything, or it can even be that their picks are to encourage investors to trade to increase fee commission instead of picking true winners. Or it can be a mix of all.

@eagle71 - If you go to casino and notice a gambler just win 200% return on his original capital, would you conclude that gambler is a legend? If not then why are you asking questions like why many ppl in i3 can outperform these research houses. I can just as easy find a noob that makes 100% on the last week of December alone, would you say he is better than these analysts?

@eagle71 - Since you mention time horizon doesnt matter. If you hold all the 78 stocks, excluding Suncon and OWG that are not listed 5 years ago, your return for the past 5 years will be 177.5% or average 35.5% including -3.18% this year. You will be the judge if 35.5% per year is considered good or bad.

Even if I only included the 44 stocks that registered negative return this year, their 5 years average is still 31.8% per year or 159.04% overall. Average can be bias when there are stocks that gain alot like IFCAMSC over the 5 years, even using median, you get 9.8% for all negative performing stocks.

Posted by chaishen > 2017-01-01 23:20 | Report Abuse

@Ricky Yeo, very good answers, happy new year 2017. cheers

Posted by rainbowyen > 2017-01-01 23:58 | Report Abuse

Ricky yeo, keep it up...very informative article...hope to see more posting from you, bro....

Posted by rainbowyen > 2017-01-02 00:07 | Report Abuse

IB's can suggest...but they can't predict the outcome...as what warren buffet say “You can't produce a baby in one month by getting nine women pregnant.”...that's right...Time horizon plays a crucial part in your success as an investor over the long term.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2017-01-02 00:10 | Report Abuse

glad so many agree time is important.
An 83 years old man certainly agree

Posted by cheoky > 2017-01-02 13:12 | Report Abuse

Ricky is smart. Old man return is also poor in a year period albeit saying he is a superior investor vs chartist or whoever comparatively. If old man is pro investor which I doubted and thinking about my pocket, with low foreign holding n poor return could this means bursa is at a lower range of a cycle readily to be going north? I pun tak Tahu...

Posted by cheoky > 2017-01-02 13:41 | Report Abuse

Sum up Ricky Yeo intention of this article: making wealth in stock market is a long term commitment, a year result give no judgement about the investor decision process whether is on the right path or wrong path. perhaps he is really skillful, perhaps he is lucky this year, perhaps he is lucky n skillful. Only Allah know. But when you hit it luckily or luckily with skill please write an article saying how you ignore the chartists n fundamentalislt advise n hit home run. Last statement I added myself. Hopefully then got a PLP guy keep supporting my home run article.

Posted by IamGoogle > 2017-01-02 13:51 | Report Abuse

Good sharing by Ricky Yeo, thank you for your kindness.

Posted by sharpneedle > 2017-01-03 07:19 | Report Abuse

truth is many are losers in i3 trying to say IB not good at picking good stocks so that innocent people will fall victims and support their buy calls here.

Posted by Dolly_Chai > 2017-01-06 15:47 | Report Abuse

good sharing ricky... mind to share with us what are your top picks for 2017?